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History of MECC and Oregon Trail

Gammu writes "For the past thirty years, many children have been raised with a heavy diet of MECC games like Oregon Trail, Odell Lake and Lemonade Stand. These products weren't developed by a major game developer. Rather, they were developed by the state of Minnesota for use in their schools. What began as an initiative to get Minnesota students ready for the micro-computer age turned into a multi-million dollar a year business whose products are still used in US schools even a decade after MECC was sold off to another developer."

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  1. That takes me back... by toleraen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was I the only one dorky enough to receive both the "Number Munchers King" and "Oregon Trail King" awards in front of the entire elementary school at the end of the year?

  2. Not a single bison shall stand by HaymarketRiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, I miss shooting the hell out of all those bison. The shooting sections of that game really brought out a kill everything that moves mentality. Half the time I wouldn't even need food, but just wanted to shoot things.

    1. Re:Not a single bison shall stand by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At my middle school, our computer lab instructor went totally postal whenever he'd see a student do that. "Oh my god! You MONSTER! That is just sick! That is sick! You are exterminating the buffalo! You can't possibly use all that meat, it's just going to rot!" (If you didn't already know, that's correct. As others pointed out, you can only bring back 200 lb, I think 100 lb in some versions.)

      And no, he wasn't being sarcastic or anything, he really seemed to have an emotional attachment to electronic buffalo, and punished students who slaughtered them.

    2. Re:Not a single bison shall stand by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      The shooting sections of that game really brought out a kill everything that moves mentality. Half the time I wouldn't even need food, but just wanted to shoot things.

      Paging Jack Thompson...Paging Jack Thompson...

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      This guy's the limit!
    3. Re:Not a single bison shall stand by jessecurry · · Score: 4, Funny

      you got Cholera and died

      I hated seeing that.

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      Those who know, do not speak. Those who speak, do not know. ~Lao Tzu
    4. Re:Not a single bison shall stand by Broken+scope · · Score: 5, Funny

      [save game]
      River depth 3 feet
      1: Ford the River?
      2: Seal boat and cross the river?
      3: Wait?
      Ford the River!!

      Your wagon turned over
      You lost 3 Oxen
      You lost 1200lbs of food
      You lost 500 bullets
      You broke a wheel
      You broke an axle
      You broke a yoke
      Your wagon caught fire and exploded
      Max drowned and died... we never found the body
      Johnny died in the wagon fire
      Betty was crushed by the panicking ox
      Bill drowned
      Jeff caught Cholera and died in under 30 seconds, a new record!
      Jeff came back as a Zombie and killed everyone else, game over. .. wtf?

      [load saved game]
      river is 3 ft deep
      1: Ford the River?
      2: Seal boat and cross the river?
      3: Wait?
      wait

      river is 7 ft deep
      1: Ford the River?
      2: Seal boat and cross the river?
      3: Wait?
      seal boat and cross river ... ......
      The wagon sank, everyone DIED...
      Mother Fucker..

      [load save game]

      river is 3ft deep
      1: Ford the River?
      2: Seal boat and cross the river?
      3: Wait?
      wait

      The river is 19 feet deep, is flooding, full of debris, on fire, and has piranhas in it.
      1: Ford the River?
      2: Seal boat and cross the river?
      3: Wait? ... you ford the river.

      Everyone makes it across safely.

      WTF?

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      You mad
    5. Re:Not a single bison shall stand by zarkill · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you, now I can go back in my time machine and explain that to myself when I was in fourth grade.

  3. The Censorship of the Oregon Trail by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having grown up in Minnesota, I was raised in a grade school that had many copies of the Oregon Trail.

    But something that isn't often mentioned about the Oregon Trail is the controversy that surrounded one of the first releases about it. We're all very familiar with the original but before that there was an even older one with crappier graphics. I distinctly remember playing the very old one only to have the teacher come up to my computer, ask me where I got that & then she took the disc and formatted it. Now that was curious behavior for a teacher.

    So I came into the lab after school, got another copy of the disk from where I had found the original (stacks of old disks were common) and popped it in. The graphics were worse but I soon realized why this particular version was frowned upon. Instead of saying, "You have encountered Native Americans ..." or something like that, it said "Indians Attack!" and then you were holding a shotgun from the point of view of the shooter. There were three frames of images with a Native American on horseback and a bow. He would ride at a random speed in front of you and you had to shoot when he was in the middle of the screen. The better you did, the less supplies you lost.

    I could see how you could argue either way to keep that in the game. Maybe that's really how some Native Americans reacted to settlers. Maybe you don't want your kid thinking that Native Americans were (and still are) like that. One thing is for sure--it was never in another version of the Trail.

    Minnesota's history is ingrained with Native Americans. I have many Native American friends and thoroughly enjoy Pow Wows & their amazing celebrations. At the same time, I recognize that there was conflict going on with settlers being killed or wounded at towns like Milford, Acton & Slaughter Slough. Interesting history to me, haven't heard anyone who's known about these events aside from Native Americans.

    Is it right to just forget about it? I personally don't think denial is the best way to deal with history. Although, the displacement of Native Americans from the east to parts further west like Oklahoma, Minnesota & Wisconsin (resulting in many deaths) isn't very widely known by most Americans.

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    1. Re:The Censorship of the Oregon Trail by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although, the displacement of Native Americans from the east to parts further west like Oklahoma, Minnesota & Wisconsin (resulting in many deaths) isn't very widely known by most Americans.
      I know that the "Trail of Tears" (the largest such forced migration) was reiterated countless times to us in school in the 70s/80s.

      A lot of the history of conflict between Native Americans and European settlers is swept under the carpet now -- we, as Americans, don't like to admit that we waged a war of genocide. Sure, there were people who actually had respect for Native Americans, and the war was never couched that way, but when push came to shove, Native Americans were exterminated or driven from land that settlers wanted.

      Now, as for Oregon Trail, I think it has to do with the changing attitudes about civil rights and respecting other cultures. People became much more aware of the fact that a lot of hatred is learned, and that there is no place for teaching hatred in our schools. Part of the whole anti-discrimination movement of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, I think.
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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  4. Oregon Trail by paranoid.android · · Score: 4, Funny

    AQUAMAN has drowned

    YOUR MOM has died of dysentery

    Good times.

    1. Re:Oregon Trail by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Haha, that was the best!

      We used to purposely pick names that would look good on the tombstone, since anyone who played the same disk after you would see it when they passed by wherever on the Trail you died. It also let you write an epitaph for yourself, which led to a trail full of stones like..

      Here lies HEMAN
      skeletor finally won

      Here lies SANTA
      no more presents for anybody

      Here lies (TEACHER'S NAME)
      still can't find the on switch on the IIc

      Good times.

  5. Opensource Effort by yohanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I never heard of the games mentioned in the article. But reading the article, I think it will be wonderful if there are coordinated efforts from the open source community to build more educational games for the kids (I know about edubuntu, and stuff, but I was hoping more like MECC).

  6. Gateway software by greg1104 · · Score: 3, Funny
    While playing "Lemonade Stand" seems harmless for children, the friendly way it introduces computer-based sales entrepreneurship can serve as a gateway to a dangerous lifestyle. Child gamers in the 80's who become addicted to the rush of successful lemonade sales can find themselves playing games such as:
    • Elite: trading money is supplemented by violent piracy activity
    • M.U.L.E: forcing your fellow players into starvation is encouraged as a way to maximize profits
    • Taipan: selling weapons and Opium is the only path to success

    If left unchecked, you can expect that these players will have moved onto a Dope Wars adulthood where they borrow money from shady lenders, sell drugs on the street, and shoot at law enforcement, all while holding onto just a slim dream of retiring to the Carribbean as their only possibility for redemption.
  7. Idea stolen from Trail West? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A couple years ago I got an email from a person trying to get the PET game Trail West to run for his dad (who wrote Trail West) on an emulator and in part of the reply was this message:

    "P.S. Glad you like the game. A little trivia about it... When my dad first made that game, just after the first PET came out, he had a meeting with some people from MECC (Minnesota Educational Computing Consortium) who were interested in buying game ideas. They thanked him and left. Never a word from them after that... EXCEPT... they magically came out with their famous nationwide best seller "Oregon Trail" the very next year, which of course was pretty much exactly "Trail West". Go figure!"

    If you want to see what Trail West was like, the file is located in this disk image, and is playable on the VICE Emulator. After LOADing but before RUNing, you need to POKE 639,94 in order to circumvent the ancient copy protection. (my bad, should have fixed it)

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    "Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
  8. My wife worked there by Cris+E · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife worked at MECC for about five years until Softkey (*spit*) bought and liquidated them. It was a wonderful place to be right up to the end.

    Little known fact about OT: if you started on the exact day, followed the exact path and stayed on a specific schedule (resting, waiting, etc) when you got to the Donner Pass you'd die in a snowstorm just like they did. The people working on the project (and all of the historical ones really) were adamant that historical details be correct, so someone embedded this and it stayed though many versions. (I do not recall the details, but I'm sure there are people out there who could produce the specifics.)

    Cris E
    St Paul, MN