FBI Finds It Overstepped Bounds in Collecting Data

truthsearch writes with a link to a Washington Post article about an eyebrow raising internal FBI audit recently released to the public. The document finds that, contrary to a document release back in March, the FBI frequently overstepped its bounds in collecting data on US citizens. The article states that the organization may have violated laws or agency rules 'more than 1,000 times'. "The new audit covers just 10 percent of the bureau's national security investigations since 2002. The vast majority of the new violations were instances in which telephone companies and Internet providers gave agents phone and e-mail records the agents did not request and were not authorized to collect. But two dozen of the newly-discovered violations involved agents' requests for information that U.S. law did not allow them to have."

Comments

Never

[uberjoe]

What? The government abused it's power? But they said they wouldn't . . . I must admit I'm stunned.

Re:Never

[MyOtherUIDis3digits]

What scares me is wondering what's the really bad thing going on that this is meant to distract us from.

still breaking the law?

[192939495969798999]

Just because the info you got is legal to get, it doesn't mean the way you got it was legal... it sounds in the summary like they think they should escape prosecution/etc because the net result was data they could've got legally anyhow. So if I ask someone for money, and they give it to me, vs. I hit them and take it, I shouldn't get prosecuted, because the net result I'd have received anyhow?

big suprise..

[Victor Tramp]

When a populace forgets that being free doesn't equate to being safe, and when a populace forgets that being secure doesn't mean being being free; then those who seek to have power over the populace, will.

Re:Small potatoes, but from the same potato Bush..

[magarity]

The vast majority of the new violations were instances in which telephone companies and Internet providers gave agents phone and e-mail records the agents did not request
 
How the heck is this a "symptom of this runaway federal power binge"? Sounds more like extremely poor data security management at the service providers. Meanwhile, there were 22 cases out of a thousand in the audit where agents asked for more than they were authorized to get. That's hardly a runaway binge. Next time, please rtfa.

"collecting data on US citizens"

[noidentity]

They were "collecting data on US citizens". I guess that's the modern way to say they were spying.

Bad feds only half the problem

[zooblethorpe]

And allow me to rephrase that for you:

While there is no personal cost to corporate agents breaking the law, they will continue to break it. They're human, so that's not suprising.

Until there is serious punishment liked docked pay, a firing or prison time (depending on the severity) for blatant lawlessness on the part of the corporations, they will continue to do as they please.

There. Now we've covered both halves of this corrupt equation.

Costs are too great

[BobMcD]

I _know_ that this is not likely to be a popular opinion. I _know_ that this is decidedly unpatriotic, but I want to say it anyway:

This just isn't worth it.

The cost of our 'war on terror' is far outstripping any harm that those 'terrorist' groups could have done to us. We have sacrificed the lives of young men and women to war than were lost on 9/11, by a long shot. We have likely spent, or at least will spend, far more money than we lost in that attack. We have lost our faith in our leadership's ability to keep us safe and happy at the same time. We're losing our civil liberties and are devolving into a police state.

WHY?

Is this all really, truly just because a handful of zealots MIGHT crash more planes into more buildings?

People joke about "if you do 'x', the terrorists win". In all seriousness, the truth is, if we are going to live in fear we may as well forfeit.

Criminal Cops

[Doc Ruby]

When you (except you, the FBI agent snooping on this message) or I "overstep bounds" like those the FBI "overstepped" in this operation, we're guilty of breaking the law. We're criminals. The people the FBI are responsible for arresting and pushing into the justice system that jails us.

Who at the FBI will even get fired for their crimes? Who will be charged? No one. They should be held to a higher standard than are civilians, because of the stakes at risk in their control, and the trust they're given based on their superior integrity. But instead, no one every gets fired, no one is ever charged.

We cannot be surprised when cops not only do crimes repeatedly when they're not punished, but are more tempted to do them, their integrity undermined. Because by failing to hold them to account, to pay for their crimes, we demonstrate that our laws are arbitrary, our government merely force, not justice.

As a result of this stunning abuse

[mi]

1. 10-20 million of Texans have been starved to death, as their food "surplases" were confiscated.
2. 90% percent of farmers joined collective farms.
3. The concept of "money" was eliminated.
4. 30 million of Americans were declared "enemies of the people" and sentenced to 25 years of labor camps without the right to correspondence.

Just putting it into perspective... There are abuses, and there are other abuses...