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Scientists Move Closer to Human Therapeutic Cloning

"Human therapeutic cloning has moved a step closer after U.S. researchers said they had successfully created embryonic stem cells from monkey embryos. Scientists told a stem cell research conference in Cairns this week that they had successfully created two batches of embryonic stem cells from cloned rhesus monkey embryos."

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  1. Keep in mind by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rhesus monkey stem cells may not be entirely compatible with human nuclei, so this by no means brings the human stem cell debate closer to an end.

    Cell workings differ slightly between species. Different proteins may be present, etc.

  2. Re:Which is worse by JoshJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only reason they oppose embryonic stem cells is because of the possibility of it affecting abortion case law.

    Of course, they'll likely decide this is the work of satan because it could maybe lend credence to "evilution".

    The *real* problem here is religion.

    "There can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven."- Robert Green Ingersoll

  3. Therapeutic? by Kingrames · · Score: 3, Funny

    Therapeutic Cloning?

    WTF is that supposed to mean?
    You're cloning yourself... to feel better?
    If you don't feel good, why clone yourself?

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    1. Re:Therapeutic? by niceone · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you don't feel good, why clone yourself?

      To have someone to share the misery with?

    2. Re:Therapeutic? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea is that: You feel sad because you lost a leg. You have yourself cloned to create a new leg. You transplant the leg from the clone to yourself so you don't feel sad anymore. Providing, of course, that you can convince the clone to give up a leg for you.

      In real life there are more issues (not withstanding the moral issues if the clone is allowed to develop a brain). For instance, we are not purely a product of our genes. Otherwise identical twins would look identical until the moment they both suffered a heart attack and died. If you need a solid organ, it needs to be grown in a viable host. It's likely impossible using current (or near-future) technology to create a viable host that does not have brain activity.

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  4. No WONDER they were having trouble! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A switch to using polarized light in labwork instead of dye and ultraviolet light traditionally used to identify cell chromosomes may have led to the breakthrough, ...

    So for years the scientists have been finding the chromosomes to transplant by:

      - Flooding the donor cell with a fluorescent dye that bonds to DNA, then

      - Shining ultraviolet light (i.e. ionizing radiation) on the cell, causing the dye to fluoresce (and also dump enough energy into the DNA molecule to break molecular bonds and produce free radicals in the nearby area).

    And then they wondered why, after they transplanted this DNA into the denucleated egg, the resulting cell didn't work right.

    Good grief!

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  5. Just Wait till It Becomes Profitable by tjstork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right now, Republicans are leary of harvesting human clones for parts, and Democrats are all in favor of it, but just wait until someone makes $1 off of it. Then, the tables will turn.

    It's all going to start when someone figures out how to clone men but with giant penises, for easy transplant. Why compete over cars, houses, plots of land and computer upgrades when you can just go buy the real deal? In America, EVERY MAN will be a porn star. There will be billions of dollars made there.

    From there, we'll get on to using human skin and hair for clothing, and human bones as a proxy for ivory. At first, it will be a status symbol. You really could have a lampshade made out of human skin, or even a football for junior or a jacket for the mrs. But soon, with enough venture capital, human clones will be mass produced and harvested like so many sheep, and even more billions will be made.

    Eventually, there will be, within the USA alone, a 200 billion dollar a year industry dedicated to the production, harvest, and manufacturing goods based on harvested clones. At that point, just as you once saw liberals hail the progress of animal antibiotics and industrial farming and then turn to an imaginary better day of all natural organic everything, you'll see liberals lamenting the devaluation of the human body, whereas, conservatives will merely say they are free and supporting consumer demand. Then liberals will eventually say the masses are stupid for supporting a human cloning industry and demand federal action to slow it down or stop it, write thousands of books decrying it, and support an endlessly array of Democratic candidates that promise to reform it but never really do. In the meantime, conservatives will argue the cloning is natural, its our right to do so, and its part of God's plan anyway, and to support their position, they will dredge up every last salamder that can regrow its own tail, every asexually produced thing in nature, and every supporting phrase in the bible. Oh yes, Jesus was very much in favor of harvesting clones, if you know which 4 passages to read.

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  6. Let's get serious, by the_kanzure · · Score: 4, Informative

    Five minutes of thoughtful searching brought up useful, important information for anybody willing to take these sciences and technologies seriously. The National Institute of Health (NIH) stem cell page has some paper abstracts as well as listed universities with programs in these United States (and some online resources). Useful sources of information at this bibliography re: human reproductive cloning, at Boston University and this one. CiteSeer popped up the paper on nuclear transfer / human cloning. Apparently there's at least one dedicated research foundation out there.

    Granted, most of these links are preliminary- check those deep databases, like over at PubMed Central, for those detailed reviews of the state of the art. And just for kicks, one last link which (still) impresses me.

  7. Whew!! by rts008 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Damn good thing I like bananas, and trees, and Tarzan, and especially Jane!

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  8. Therapeutic? I want a lover! by davidwr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, give me a clone
    Of my own flesh and bone
    With its Y-chromosome changed to X
    And when it is grown
    Then my own little clone
    Will be of the opposite sex.

    (Chorus)
    Clone, clone of my own,
    With your Y-Chromosome changed to X
    And when I'm alone
    With my own little clone
    We will both think of nothing but sex. -Randall Garrett, additional verses by Isaac Asimov

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  9. Re:Which is worse by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right. One causes the other.

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  10. Re:Which is worse by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want a three-headed monkey!

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  11. an even better current quote by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/21/politics_s tem_cells_veto/

    President Bush has used his veto to kill another bill that would have lifted some of the restrictions on research using human embryonic stem cells.
    The news has been greeted with dismay, but not surprise, by the scientific community.
    In announcing his use of the veto, Bush told reporters: "Destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical."

    Um, hello George...presumably it's OK if it's for oil?

  12. Re:Which is worse by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the killing of a young human being.

    Actually, that is not the case. It's the destruction of a blastocyst, which is a compilation of 70-150 cells. These are often thrown out/discarded in fertility clinics. They are definitely not human. Here's a picture of one,

    http://www.iscr.ed.ac.uk/outreach/images/Human-bla stocyst.gif

  13. Re:Which is worse by BigDogCH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh the humanity!!!!

    That little glob could be the next OJ Simpson, or Professor Snape!

    If that is a human, than I think I may have just picked a human out of my nose this morning. Now I am going to find it, and call it Freddie.

    Every sperm is sacred! Save me Jebus!