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Lawyer Asks RIAA To Investigate Bush Twins
tanman writes "After reading an article in the Miami Herald that said "[President] Bush's twin daughters gave him a CD they had made for him to listen to while exercising," a Florida lawyer calculated statutory damages of $1.8 million and has sent a letter to the RIAA asking that they 'display the same vigor in prosecuting this matter and protecting the rights of your rights-holders that it has displayed in enforcing those rights against other alleged violators.' From the letter: 'This is a serious violation of copyright. As you know, whichever of your member organizations that are right[s]-holders for the copied musical works may be entitled to statutory damages of $150,000.00 per musical work copied.'" Update: 06/22 18:55 GMT by KD : The lawyer in question has retracted his analysis and now says no laws were broken, probably.
It's about time the RIAA took a stand against these music thieves. A colleague at my work who is known for having copied music went on a shooting spree. If the RIAA had dealt with him, I would not have had to step over bodybags on my way to lunch.
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1.8 million dollars in damages for a 18 dollar CD? Methinks the lawyers calculators have too many places on the left side of the decimal place.
Have you ever considered piracy? You'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate Roberts.
Um... get real. The person is obviously more pissed at the RIAA than anyone, and just trying to point out that there is a privileged class in this country that the RIAA doesn't go after.
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It's not about hated their dad. It is about whether the RIAA is selectively enforcing their copyrights; and the Bush twins are high profile collateral damage. I don't know about copyrights, but if you know someone is infringing on your trademark and you do nothing about it, you lose that trademark. The lawyer is letting them know about an infringement of copyright.
Oh my. This is hillarious. Get them off to dubai with the haliburton execs to avoid prosecution.
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No legal way other than buying the CD and ripping an mp3 for yourself, you mean? Because that falls under "fair use" which is still law for a little while longer, last I checked.
It has nothing to do with their Dad - it has to do with their visibility, due to their dad's station in life. If this were 10 years ago, he'd make the case against Chelsea Clinton.
It's about:
- media attention
- pointing out the absurd damages the RIAA claims
- pointing out that they don't go after those who are likely to be able to defend themselves
This guy's on our side.I'm curious - if the RIAA decides not to prosecute, does this somehow weaken their future cases or set them up for government sanction? (I know, copyrights aren't trademarks).
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who in the hell do you pull for in this one?
If there ever was a slashdot story/thread that would make the RIAA look like the, "good guys," ... yup, them going after President Bush,... that would do it! :-)
Links should be:
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http://thescrivener.blogspot.com/2007/06/copyrigh
http://thescrivener.blogspot.com/2007/06/copyrigh
Have fun,
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The lawyer in question was found to be 'unreachable', although he did leave a forwarding address....in Cuba.
Copyrights don't work the same as trademarks in that they do not require an active defense to continue operating. But from a moral/political point of view, it is wrong/unwise for the **IA to be selective in their pursuits of 'violators' of their clients' copyrighted works, and doubly so in the public eye (as public officials are "role models", and also a generally privileged class).
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
Hold on - I think slashdot is b0rking them...
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Yep, it is. There should be an underscore between 'the' and 'scrivener'. slashdot seems to be filtering that out for some reason, so I'm posting as "code" - you'll have to cut'n'paste links.
Have fun,
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http://web.unos.net/
Burning a mix CD? For a Father's Day gift? Isn't that the college equivalent to macaroni art!?
but these poor women have had poor parenting. these teenaged girls have had poor parental guidance and roll models. it's easy for YOU who have had parents that imbued you with some intelligence, a sense of decency... would you laugh so hard if YOUR dad was GW Bush? i don't think so
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Maybe they'll be let off, like that record exec's son, with a stern talking to by their daddy. Any other person sued by the RIAA that wants to take that option too?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
You take the one on the left. I'll take the one on the right. Be sure to "hit" yours hard.
Would you kindly mod me +1 insightful?
Keep in mind that the money-whoring, RIAA affiliated, Sound Exchange collects royalties on all songs broadcast by all artists -- even the ones who don't want royalties collected, and don't want to pay the high fees demanded by Sound Exchange just to get their money back. For a small artist it costs more than you'd recover, but then SE just keeps the money for itself. Talk about ripping off artists!!
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
"There is a common practice in law these days called "selective prosecution"..."
You make it sound like this practice is considered legitimate by the Courts. In fact, if you can show evidence that you are being arbitrarily prosecuted and there isn't a legitimate justification, it is grounds in some courts, to have the entire proceedings Stayed as an 'abuse of process'. You must be harmed to bring a civil action. If you have no problem allowing others to infringe on your copyright, then there is reasonable grounds to believe it isn't really a harm. Under English Common law the Court has the power and responsibility to prevent any abuse of the judicial system. Treating individual offenders differently simply because they are a celebrity or politician or the President's daughter (etc) is such an abuse. In fact, not prosecuting the President's daughter may almost be seen as some kind of a bribe or attempt to improperly influence the Executive Branch.
A plaintiff with limited resources is justified in selectively prosecuting simply because they can't possibly go after everyone at once so have to choose their battles. This is not considered arbitrary, but it is a rational, and necessary evil. But the RIAA can hardly claim they lack the resources to prosecute the President's daughter when they are going after John Doe's, who for all they know, are dead broke.
Now perhaps this selective prosecution takes place behind the scenes where no one is looking. (I think we all know it does). But the courts have no power over what happens outside the court room where there is no evidence. It falls upon witnesses to bring evidence forward.
In this case there is evidence. The president himself has publically stated his daughter is guilty of making and distributing pirate music CD. I think that is actually a criminal offense now, is it not?
No one has a right to their *own* opinion. They have a right to the TRUTH.
After that, let's go for what's-his-sellout-bitch-ass from Metallica who admitted in an interview in the 90s making a mix take for a friend in the 80s.
Now, I think Lars is a monkey as much as the next man, and that his band is a sell-out Country and Western outfit, but to be fair to him, he has made amends for his previous stance on the issue. Mrs. Turgid dragged me along to see the Some Kind of Monster film, and Lars quite clearly is ashamed of and sorry for the Napster thing.
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Careful now, all of you Slashdotties are going to be grossly guilty of hypocrisy if you don't support the twins right to make a mix CD. Unreasoned Bushy-hate should be no substitute for doing the "right thing". (That is, if you consider making a mix CD the right thing.)
For all you that feel making a mix CD is piracy, by all means, proceed to bash.
In other news:
The Bush Administration has stated that they know of no connection between these and the lawyer's actions regarding the twins.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
"digital audio recording medium," as defined by the act, only refers to _audio_ CD-Rs. These are special recordable CDs made to work in audio CD recorders, which will not record onto standard data CD-Rs (audio CD-Rs will also work in standard computer CD-R drives).
These audio CD-Rs are a bit harder to find, and a bit more expensive than standard data CD-Rs, because you indirectly pay a tax on them to the recording industry (it's collected at the wholesale level).
So, the Bush twins _might_ not be subject to copyright prosecution. OTOH, they do have GW's genes, so they're likely too stupid to know all of that, and probably used data CD-Rs, opening themselves up to prosecution.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
However, pretty much everyone allows underscores in machine names now, so I'm patching Slash to allow it.
Personal ownership is a hallmark of conservative capitalism. And I don't believe I am entitled to anything that I did not work for.
Being poor has nothing to do with that, unless you think that I should be eager to grab for what another person has labored for. Which, having not the attitude of a thief, I do not want to take. I am poor, not desperate.
Any part of that you don't understand?
True, it just happens this was reported on the Bush twins. It would be no different if it was John Kerry's or Al Gore's children. But then again, John Kerry doesn't listen to any music until he's taken a straw poll first to figure which song he should listen to. And since Al Gore invented music, he might be able to show prior art to anything the RIAA sued him for. I kid! I kid!
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Yeah, it's funny how that works. It's almost as if people can't process anything like: "while I don't agree with their competitors, I believe that person/company/ideology/etc. is behaving evilly." Exactly when did criticizing one group automatically mean you were working for the other side?
Conservatives have a tendency toward ethical blindness when it comes to the pracitcal human consequences of certain ideological fixed-points, like for example their belief in the awesome awesomeness of free markets as applied to everything under the sun. Many conservatives have the self-awareness to admit this is a weakness of their ideology, and some even attempt to address it. Damn heretics, I guess.
Liberals, if you want me to criticize those that I often criticize on a daily basis, have an insufficent appreciation for personal self-possession and responsibility, and tend to believe that underwriting centralized, highly inefficient bureaucracies is somehow a good way of providing services in the public interest. See? I can criticize yet another group I don't belong to. I am versatile.
All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
Read section 1008 of the "AUDIO HOME RECORDING ACT" Here; (pdf file)
The senate report on the act specifically cites making copies for family members as "non-commercial uses", and thus not an infringement.
My view on this is that the Lawyer was simply blinded by his extreme hatred of all things Bush and/or republican. This goes beyond bias this is pure unadulterated blinding hatred on the part of the lawyer and is propagated by other liberal Democrats that simply cannot get over the fact that George Bush beat Al Gore almost 8 years ago. It has nothing to do with the RIAA or President Bushes daughters. Headline should read; "Lawyer Blinded by Hatred Asks RIAA To Investigate Bush Twins"
Everyone reading this knows this to be true yet I am sure this will be modded down as "flamebait" due to that same ongoing hatred, simply because it reads to favor the Bushes when in truth it only reads as facts.
You be the judge.
Read it again and try to find bias on my part.
Don't confuse fact with bias.
No, the reason liberals offer money to the poor is that those at the top are more vulnerable than they think. Welfare is for society, not the poor. We did have this little thing called the great depression that happened before we had welfare. Every time someone loses a job, they no longer contribute to the economy. A little help up from the government helps the economy from spiraling down -- money, no matter where it comes from, gets spent. . .and that my dear conservative friend, keeps other people working. Yes, some people abuse the system, but that is far outweighed by not letting hardworking people on hard times fall thru the cracks. Why is that so hard for you people to understand? Not that you or anyone will read this comment, by an anonymous coward, buried in a dead end thread -- but what the hell.
The liberal-conservative labeling in the USA really sucks and has been harmful to our political debate. Typically they're taken for opposing ideologies, and usually used to mean "someone who holds views I think are stupid".
Some ideas are liberal, some are conservative, some are both, some are neither. Any one person usually holds to ideas and rejects ideas of both stripes.
Invading Iraq, for example, is not a liberal idea: liberalism disavows a nation's right to make aggressive war.
It isn't a conservative idea: conservatism eschews getting unnecessarily embroiled in costly occupations, especially in Asia.
I am a liberal. I am a conservative. I am an American, a citizen of a country founded on two incredible ideas. One is liberal, that the government is subordinate to the rights of people. The other is conservative, that the nation should be ruled by law not easily swayed by the mob or the powerful.
Dividing the country into liberals and conservatives weakens and diminishes us.
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Here's the original, for as long as it stays up.
Yahoo's cache of retracted blog entry.
mccarthyism and the early salem witch trials ended when high profile people (read: close to the heart of those doing the prosecutions) were targeted as communists or witches. Hit the president's daughter and senators feel that they might be next and enact laws to save us all.
Is it sad that I am more likely to recognize you and your posts by your sig than your name or UID?
I wish the RIAA would go forward and try to litigate the President's daughters. All of a sudden the President's attention would be very quickly and precisely to act against any current and future RIAA litigation by basically saying, you're a bullying group with no legal authority don't do this type of thing again or be disbanded. If only...