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Citizens Given Video Cameras To Monitor Police

atommota writes "After years of complaints of police misconduct, the ACLU is giving free video cameras to some residents of high-crime neighborhoods in St. Louis, MO to help them monitor officers. The ACLU of Eastern Missouri launched the project Wednesday after television crews last year broadcast video of officers punching and kicking a suspect who led police on a car chase. 'The idea here is to level the playing field, so it's not just your word against the police's word,' said Brenda Jones, executive director of the ACLU chapter. The ACLU has worked closely with the police to make sure they are aware of this program. This is in stark contrast to the recent Pennsylvania arrest for felony wiretapping of a guy who was videotaping a police stop."

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  1. What do you do it. . . by ookabooka · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you do if the cops say "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."?

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    1. Re:What do you do it. . . by ookabooka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I do appreciate the funny mod, I was also being somewhat serious, if a cop has the authority to shoo you away from a "scene" and make sure you aren't taping him/her doing something, they can still get away with doing "bad things". I guess you just have to tape them covertly? I can also see all sorts of legal issues arising from this. . .good thing the ACLU is backing it up.

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    2. Re:What do you do it. . . by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if a cop has the authority to shoo you away from a "scene" and make sure you aren't taping him/her doing something, they can still get away with doing "bad things".
      My first thought was "well cops don't have the authority to shoo you away from a scene," then I realized I was wrong.

      Cops have the authority to disperse a 'crowd' so that they can maintain order. Failure to disperse = failure to obey a lawful order = arrest/taser/mace
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    3. Re:What do you do it. . . by lymond01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yah...10x digital zoom, not optical.

      Lawyer: Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, as you can see plainly here, some Pac-Man looking individual who we assume is the victim is being bumped into repeatedly by a dark blue blob....

    4. Re:What do you do it. . . by Kandenshi · · Score: 4, Funny
    5. Re:What do you do it. . . by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...failure to obey a lawful order = arrest/taser/mace

      Hopefully not in that order.

  2. Tomorrows headlines by Kainaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pawn shops in high crime areas, such as St. Louis, have an overload of camcorders for sale dirt cheap!

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    1. Re:Tomorrows headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was hoping for a boom in amateur erotica.

    2. Re:Tomorrows headlines by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Be careful what you wish for. Have you seen the average American today?

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  3. "to help them monitor officers" by TheBearBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As opposed to monitoring the criminals in their neighborhood? They're as much a plague on civil liberties as big brother.

    1. Re:"to help them monitor officers" by brunascle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i think the point is that criminals are already being monitored, but no one's monitoring the cops.

  4. Make friends, not enemies. by xplenumx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In addition to reporting any misbehavior by the police, I hope that the ACLU has enough integrity to also publicly commend any officer that is recorded acting responsibility in a difficult situation. A little positive reinforcement can go a long ways.

    1. Re:Make friends, not enemies. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed, too few people give positive feeback, they only like to complain.

      I hope they also keep the cameras running to catch any criminals. They're the ones who terrorize neighborhoods and then scare possible witnesses into keeping silent.

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    2. Re:Make friends, not enemies. by heresyoftruth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In addition to reporting any misbehavior by the police, I hope that the ACLU has enough integrity to also publicly commend any officer that is recorded acting responsibility in a difficult situation. A little positive reinforcement can go a long ways.

      I don't agree. I am a nurse. I have seen other nurses out there that steal narcotics, make dangerous medical decisions, etc. Those nurses suck, and make the rest of us look bad. I don't think I should be commended for doing my job right just because there are those out there that do it badly. I am not a cop, and couldn't speak for them, but if someone tried to commend me for doing the right thing, I would be a bit disgusted. That's like saying, "Thanks for giving your patients those pain meds, instead of stealing them." or the cop equivalent, "Thanks for making that arrest without beating that guy to death." People should not be commended for doing what they are required to do by the job, and what should be a socially accepted standard of moral ethics.

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    3. Re:Make friends, not enemies. by rhakka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, I thought their job was to act responsibly in difficult situations?

      I will, and have, thanked officers personally for doing good work, because I appreciate it. But it's pretty ridiculous to even insinuate that an organization with a serious focus should waste its time and resources thanking people for doing their jobs.

      That would be the job of the police department itself, to recognize its own employees that do exemplary work, and reward them, not the ACLU's job, right? The ACLU's job is to make sure they do not abuse the additional power (and thus, additional responsibility) that has been accorded to them by the people they have power over.

  5. The Pennsylvania case is over by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Informative
    The charges in the Pennsylvania case referenced in the posting have been withdrawn.


    From the article:

    "When police are audio- and video-recording traffic stops with notice to the subjects, similar actions by citizens, even if done in secret, will not result in criminal charges."

    The fact that this made the national news doesn't surprise me. This is Pennsylvania where our new state motto is:

    Doing our best to become the next New Jersey.

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  6. Re:Having had the crap beat out of me by cops... by Normal+Dan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously? They beat the crap our of you because you have long hair? Or were they weary of you because of your long hair and shady demeanor? Did they really beat the crap our of you, or were they trying to subdue you using physical force when you failed to cooperate with them?

    Stopping police brutality is a good thing, but we have to be sure it is REAL brutality. Now, I do not know your situation, but I have heard so many stories similar to yours. Many backed up by video evidence. When digging further into the stories, I often find either the police did nothing wrong, or they were antagonized to the point where even a saint would have problems.

    I do belive the easiest way to stop police brutality is to be polite and cooperative. I have long hair and have a very suspicious demeanor, but when I get pulled over, I get treated with nothing but respect. I attribute this to me being polite and cooperate. Either that or I just happened to run into the only nice cops in my area.

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  7. In fact, you are screwed by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had EXACTLY that occur back when I was 22 (sadly, that would be a LONG time ago) in Fort Collins, Co. I was a passenger in a 1 car crash. The driver was put in cuffs and a female cop started beating the driver. I stood a distance away but was telling her to stop. She told me to leave right then and there. I pointed out that would be leaving the scence of an accident, to which she replied yes, but that I was to be arrested one way or another. I chose for her to arrest me for "interfering with a lawful arrest". Once she had cuffs on me, she started to hit and kick at me. Once the 2'nd squad got there, she stopped. But of course, she had the 2 of us in cuffs, with me hoping mad. The interesting thing was that the DA dropped the charges for the interfering with a lawful arrest, but got me on some other items. Of course, had she not been beating on the driver, or had not arrested me in the first place, then the later items would never have occured. Sadly, last I heard, she and idiot (ernie telez) from FC were still working there.

    The cameras are needed.

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  8. Re:Who cares? by Lockejaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't even claim "innocent until proven guilty", since they obviously saw the person engaged in the act.
    Yeah, with police who never arrest anyone who's innocent, why do we even have courts?
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  9. Re:The ACLU and the 2nd amendment by rhakka · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why guess?

    Here's what the ACLU says about it.

    I don't see what's "selective" about that. While any particular person (including me) may disagree with the philosophy behind it, this is a very well reasoned stance... there is ambiguity in what the constitution says and means on this issue, the ACLU protects constitutional rights when such rights are clear.

    I'm pro-gun and pro-ACLU, just to name my own bias.

  10. Re:Having had the crap beat out of me by cops... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was in a bar when a fight broke out, and was doing my best to get out of there when I was grabbed by two portly cops, slammed against the wall, cuffed, thrown to the ground, sat on, and then punched what felt like about 100 times (probably only 10 or 15...im a sissy). The left side of my head swelled up pretty good, and I had a good bit of road rash on other parts. I was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. The cops wrote outright lies on the arrest report, the judge naturally took their word over mine (look at his spotty grooming habits!), and I spent almost a month in jail. You can't imagine what a surreal experience it is to stand there in front of a judge, black and blue, weiging 150lbs soaking wet, and hearing two beefy cops carry on about how hard you were to subdue...and having the judge act like he beleives it.

    Had I even SEEN the cops, I would have been polite and cooperative. As it was, all I got to be was a punching bag. Maybe somebody else antagonized them...I dont know. I do know they flat out lied about what happened, and I went to jail for it. If there would have been video of the event, you can bet they would have beat up the videographer too.

    I have friends that are cops, so don't think I'm down on the profession, but it does draw psychos...probably 30-40% of cops are like the ones that beat me up. Probably 30-40% of the judges are crooked or brain dead. I suppose it has always been so...but up until that happened I had thought America was special.