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ATM Turns 40

01100111 writes "The world's first ATM was installed in a branch of Barclays in Enfield, north London, 40 years ago this week. Inspiration had struck Mr Shepherd-Barron, now 82, while he was in the bath. The machine paid out a maximum of £10 a time." It struck me there must be a way I could get my own money, anywhere in the world or the UK. I hit upon the idea of a chocolate bar dispenser, but replacing chocolate with cash.""

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  1. Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 4, Informative

    From Wikipedia: A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance.

    1. Re:Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by LordBafford · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, the first ATM was invented during medieval times, when they had a midget in a box dispensing gold coins when presented with a certificate of ownership. This was short lived due the midgets dieing frequently and some just being carried off in their boxes and robbed.

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    2. Re:Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by LordBafford · · Score: 2, Funny

      We all know Al Gore invented the first ATM.

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    3. Re:Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by 228e2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Teller_Mach ine A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance.[1] Thereafter, the history of ATMs paused for over 25 years, until De La Rue developed the first electronic ATM, which was installed first in Enfield Town in North London on 27 June 1967 by Barclays Bank. This instance of the invention is credited to John Shepherd-Barron . . .

      so a "MCD" isnt the same as an ATM? why didnt Luther get credit for the first "ATM"?

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    4. Re:Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's in your wallet?

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  2. And it just goes to prove by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    That everyone does their best thinking when they're in the bath.

    Or on the can.

    1. Re:And it just goes to prove by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which is why I go to the can in the shower. Double the inspiration power. Of course, the wife doesn't like the brown streaks in the tub, but you can't please everyone.

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  3. Sexual Reference. by richy+freeway · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would have thought people had been ATM'ing for hundreds of years...

  4. Real Innovation by Ajehals · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Plastic cards had not been invented, so Mr Shepherd-Barron's machine used cheques that were impregnated with carbon 14, a mildly radioactive substance.... "I later worked out you would have to eat 136,000 such cheques for it to have any effect on you." Interestingly, this was arguably one of those inventions that is, in retrospect unbelievably obvious, it really has changed the world. It leads me to wonder what Mr Shepherd-Barron was paid for his idea, and if any attempts were made to limit the implementation of this innovative machine to a single company...
    1. Re:Real Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He was actually paid a lot of money, (but sadly he could only withdraw 10 pounds at a time).

  5. Asynchronous Transfer Mode? by niceone · · Score: 4, Funny

    I should get out more.

    1. Re:Asynchronous Transfer Mode? by thejeffer · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's the first thing I thought as well. C'mon, this is slashdot. If it says ATM in the title, we sure as heck better be talking about the network protocol. It's news for NERDS.

  6. Mmmm, chocolate... by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't mind the service fees so much if it dispensed chocolate bars with my money.

    Anyway, FTA: "Mr Shepherd-Barron came up with the idea when he realised that he could remember his six-figure army number. But he decided to check that with his wife, Caroline. 'Over the kitchen table, she said she could only remember four figures, so because of her, four figures became the world standard,' he laughs." This is a great example of how simple, even mundane decision processes can affect millions, even billions of people. Imagine if he'd stayed with six digits, and people felt it was too hard? Or if he had gone with three, and everyone's account was easily hacked (relatively speaking)?

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    1. Re:Mmmm, chocolate... by fbjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hah, that reminds me... When I was much younger, I wondered how the heck there could be only 4 digits in the PIN, since that gives only 10 000 combinations, while there are millions of different cards. There's bound to be a collision! Took me a while before I slapped my forehead...

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    2. Re:Mmmm, chocolate... by digitig · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not many people in England had phones at the time, so the namespace for phone numbers only required four digits. *please mod flamebait, please mod flamebait* Too close to the truth for flamebait. Although plenty of people had phones, Subscriber Trunk Dialling (STD -- another ambiguous TLA!) was very far from widespread, so most calls went through an operator and the "number" would consist of an exchange name and the number on that exchange (my parents' number was "Penketh 5425"; I assume that the "Pennsylvania 65000" system in the USA was similar, although if the Glen Miller Orchestra is to be trusted the USA had bigger exchanges). And yes, the system did put a limit on the phones available; there was a waiting list of months or even years in some places to be allocated a number.
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    3. Re:Mmmm, chocolate... by Nexum · · Score: 2, Informative

      The key point you make here is that the PIN is encrypted. There are hardware failsafes too, that prevent people with sophisticated electronics gadgetry from trying to discern a PIN's location in memory on the chip, although people have tried to hack the cards using latent backchannels such as measuring tiny tiny power changes in consumption across the chip when it operates.

      In short - don't worry too much about the PIN number being on the card. You have other things to worry about if your card is in someone elses hands than them getting your PIN.

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  7. Alternately ;) by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Funny

    A man is only as old as the woman he feels ;)

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  8. UK not part of World by hoojus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...anywhere in the world or the UK Wow I always though the english were a bit different :)
    1. Re:UK not part of World by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      not the English (who are just a small insignificant part of the UK, they can't even rule themselves because of the number of german monarches and welsh or scottish PM's we've had, pathetic people! ;)

      There, fixed it for you.

  9. Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by MROD · · Score: 4, Informative

    It should be noted that the ATM of that era wasn't quite what we have today.

    Instead of having a card with a magnetic stripe which you would get back after the transaction it was a small, plastic coated punched card which would be swallowed by the machine and then sent back to the account holder afterwards. In other words, it was an emergency "I need £10 of cash" card.

    I remember my Dad having one of these from the National Westminster Bank circa 1972. ATMs didn't really take off until the magnetic stripe cards came out in the late '70s/ early '80s.

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    1. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by butlerdi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do not remember those cards, and I had one of the first accounts offered by Barclays. I do remember that you could go to multiple branches and get a few quid from each as they did not update in real time. A real help for poor students, until the bank manager caught up with you a few days later...

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    2. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by Ajehals · · Score: 2, Funny
      I posted it above - but:

      Plastic cards had not been invented, so Mr Shepherd-Barron's machine used cheques that were impregnated with carbon 14, a mildly radioactive substance.... "I later worked out you would have to eat 136,000 such cheques for it to have any effect on you." Although why you'd want to eat your cheques is beyond me, I just tried eating one and it didn't taste so good, maybe its the lack of Carbon 14 in them these days....
    3. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by rkww · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I remember being allowed to take my father's punched card to the bank to get out ten pounds for him when I was ten or so, which would have been 1971. And it was ten pounds in pound notes, neatly folded into a plastic holder. He still has some of the holders somewhere and I wouldn't be surprised if he still had a punched card. According to this timeline Lloyds launched an ATM using a magnetic strip card in 1972.

    4. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by johnw · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Barclays system wasn't quite the same. From Barclays you got six slips of slightly stiff paper - thinner than normal punched cards but thicker than a cheque. They were about the size of a cheque but with some holes in them. Each of them could be exchanged for £10, in a plastic clip.

      The process was as follows:

      You first typed in your six digit PIN. This caused the drawer in the centre of the machine to unlock and open a little.

      Then you pulled open the drawer fully and positioned your slip on some pins in the centre of the drawer.

      Then you closed the drawer and waited whilst the machine chugged and whirred a bit.

      Finally the drawer would unlock and open a little again. When you pulled the drawer fully open your slip would have disappeared and a plastic clip containing £10 in £1 notes would be sitting in its place.

      I can still remember my father's number - 08 75 86. I don't suppose there's much chance of identity theft by quoting it now.

      John

    5. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by david.given · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I remember my Dad having one of these from the National Westminster Bank circa 1972. ATMs didn't really take off until the magnetic stripe cards came out in the late '70s/ early '80s.

      My uncle was the project manager at Barclays behind the modern magnetic-stripe ATM project (I don't know if he was involved with these early prototypes). He used to tell all kinds of fascinating stories about trying the herd the vast numbers of people involved into moving in at least approximately in the right direction.

      One particular thing he talked about was the endless bickering between the connected-ATM faction (where the secret was stored centrally, and all ATMs communicated constantly with central servers via the phone line) and the disconnected-ATM faction (where the secret was stored on the card, and ATMs would only get updated at intervals). Needless to say, and thankfully, the connected-ATM faction won. It seems such an obvious decision these days...

  10. Cute story... by rsmoody · · Score: 5, Funny

    My aunt and Mother were both working at a bank in Houston, TX that got the first ATM in the city (or so the story goes). One was inside the bank working on the internals of the ATM, and the other outside. As the wall was relatively thin, they could talk to each other and work on the problem. Well, after they got done, a customer arrived to use the new and fancy gadget. He began speaking to the ATM and telling it what amount of money he wanted. Always found that story to be funny.

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  11. demise of cash? by Orp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FTA:

    "Money costs money to transport. I am therefore predicting the demise of cash within three to five years."

    Haven't we heard that before? Like, 20 years ago? Seems that cash is just as prevalent as it always was. I just got back from a vacation to the UK and loved the fact that I could use my debit card to withdraw cash without getting socked with a 3% 'foreign transaction fee' that comes with credit card purchases (rather, there was a $1.50 flat fee from my bank for every withdrawal - so for 200 UKP, or about $400 with today's exchange rate, that's about 0.37%). Along with the fact that *everyone* accepts cash, including that remote pub in Nowhere, Scotland, I don't see cash going away any time soon. Yay cash.

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    1. Re:demise of cash? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I can tell you that cash (here is the U.S. at least) is no longer anywhere near as ubiquitous as it once was. I rarely even carry the stuff anymore (it's basically only useful for toll booths and vending machines). Even fast food restaurants take debit/credit cards now. I go for months at a time without even going to the bank or a teller machine.

      It would have been very hard to live without cash twenty years ago, or even ten. Now it's a given.

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    2. Re:demise of cash? by Mix+Master+Nixon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As long as there's a war on drugs, cash isn't going anywhere.

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    3. Re:demise of cash? by Gospodin · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...just like Spam refers to "meat."

      Fixed that for you.

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  12. Re:Protocols? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My local ATM was never down when they had the old text mode OS/2 version running. They replaced it two years ago with a CE embedded (I think) Diebold machine and that one is down at least once a week.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

  13. Now wait a minute by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you visit the island fortress/abbey of Mont Saint-Michel off the coast of France, one of the first things you see inside the gate is a stone wall built circa 1000 CE with an ATM set into it. So they've obviously been around since William the Conqueror...;-)

    rj

  14. Re:You still have service fees? by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Up until about 5 years ago, some major UK banks charged people to use their cash machines if they weren't a customer of that bank. This, predicatably, ended up with those banks charging right back at the first banks customers. After a few rounds of this, it was decided that it made more sense, and would be more publically acceptable, for *no-one* to charge for their use.

    The ATMs that charge now tend to be owned by 3rd party companies, rather than the banks themselves - they put them in convenience stores, petrol stations, etc. These hook up to a phone line and work in a similar way to the Switch terminals in shops - instead of buying products, you're buying cash.

    Incidentally, the major company that operates these in the UK makes a tidy profit from doing so: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4101075.stm...

  15. Re:Protocols? by wwmedia · · Score: 2, Informative

    believe it or not all bank of ireland atms use Windows, plenty of times u see the bootup screen or and odd blue screen of death

  16. Re:Protocols? by simong · · Score: 2, Informative

    A friend worked for Lloyds at the start of the 90s and ATMs were effectively terminals using SNA or X500 pads to mainframes. These days they all seem to use Windows so it's probably all over IP. ATMs in shops can still use ISDN or even good old fashioned modems - it's always a bit disconcerting to hear one dial up.

  17. Question: Patented by...? by zenwarrior · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So, who owns what might be considered the primary/essential/basic/etc. patent(s) for ATMs? NCR?

    I ask b/c I once worked with an inventor who showed me blueprints and a bona fide patent for what he considered to be (one of?) the first ATM(s).

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  18. I got a hamburger from the 1st ATM I used by BBandCMKRNL · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Wendy's Hanburger chain was just opening in town and they had a promotion with the bank I used. Use the ATM and bring in your receipt for a free hamburger. I started transferring $1 from my checking to my savings and back just to get a free burger. Then I discovered that these ATMs used a pressure feed printer rather than a sproket feed one and that if I pulled quickly enough on the receipt as it was being printed, I could get several receipts at once.

    I ate WAY too many burgers during that promo.

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  19. Re:Protocols? by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I just don't see any benifit to using Windows or CE for an ATM. Maybe they use Visual Basic to write the code for them... Shuddderr......

    Microsoft has a very significant presence in the market for embedded systems. There are customized version of Visual Studio. You are not limited to Visual Basic. WindowsEmbedded

  20. Good reason not to cite Wikipedia as your source! by williamhb · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia: A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance

    A good example of why not to cite Wikipedia as your source -- I followed your link when I read your comment (1830BST 25June2007), and there was no sign of Simjian or the Bank of New York on the page. But the page did list the invention by John Shepherd-Barron, which is the one you are disputing! I suspect many other readers had a similar experience. So either you were making mischief, in which case you've been found out, or it's changed since you cited in, in which case that'll teach you not to cite a publically editable source!