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All Things iPhone

With the iPhone release coming soon there is no shortage of stories being submitted. Here is an overview of all of its features and specifics on its technical workings. A list of applications is out and still growing. There are warnings however that some applications and peripherals won't be ready or compatible in time for the release. Finally with all the hype associated with the iPhone, we have a reminder of some previous Apple products that ended with a whimper instead of a roar.

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  1. Don't believe the hype by bjourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In your post, you have only mentioned negatives about the iPhone; high cost, shitty price plan, no GPS, no 3G. The one positive thing you listed is the UI and "non-crashyness." How anyone could be sure that the iPhone doesn't crash as "often" as existing smart phones on the market is beyond me or how anyone except for the select few reviewers that have actually used an iPhone can know that the UI is better. And still, you're planning to buy the phone on launch day.

    How can you know that the iPhone is worth the money or even decent? You can't. It is all hype and 900 million dollar pre-launch marketing, probably more than the total development cost for the device.

    1. Re:Don't believe the hype by Doogie5526 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While "brand names" are usually looked down upon for being overpriced, they're brands because they offer an expectation. With Apple the common expectation is better-than-average design and innovative user interfaces. This may change (such as Disney Animations brand got diluted with things like straight-to-video releases), but it's enough to sell units even before seeing and using them.

  2. Re:I'm buying.. Friday. by itwerx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The paltry 200 txt msgs standard to each plan is also annoying (so now I'll have to drop $10 or $20 per phone for extra). But even still, I'm firmly in the demographic that is willing to pay extra for the phone, the service, just for the UI (and non-crashyness) that Apple will bring to the table.

    As something of an Apple fanboi myself, I'm actually going to wait awhile, maybe a really long while, for the simple reason that the data rate with EDGE absolutely sucks and Cingular's signal coverage is pitiful. I love the UI, I've been drooling over this thing since I first heard about it, but I'm not about to drop $500 on a phone I can't actually use productively in the real world. It's almost painful to watch this unfold; I so wish Apple had gone with Sprint or Verizon or almost anybody except Cingular (well, okay, T-Mobile would have been worse). And with a 5-year exclusivity no less!?! Egads, wtf is the Jobster smoking?

  3. Re:But will it talk to my car? by mr_matticus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones) Versus the 2.5mm stupid-ass jack on Windows Mobile devices? I'll take my chances with the fully standard minijack.

    Songs as Ringtones - Games We don't know that. In the introductory videos, there was a ringtones tab in iTunes. The iTunes store for the iPhone hasn't been launched yet, so who knows what sorts of games and additional apps will become available.

    - Instant Messaging - Picture messages (MMS) Why would you need either of those with an internet connection? Why pay 25 cents for a stupid MMS message when you can just send a friggin email?

    - A real keyboard So? Notebooks don't have real mice. People get over it--all the reviewers have.

    I'm sure the battery will be replaceable for anyone with five minutes, just like the iPod is now. It would be strange to expect any differently of a small Apple device. 3G isn't a practical expectation or a useful feature given that this is a GSM device. If you want a 3G phone, wait for a later version, to be launched around the time AT&T has a useful 3G network to take advantage of it.

    It is not Jesus. It is not sex. It's just a handheld electronic device. But damn, if people don't try to find any little thing to put on a 'con' list. Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense--what is their reasonable base of comparison? Why not add "it doesn't run Windows" to the list? It's like someone put this whole thing together without even stopping to consider that there might be alternatives to some of these "essential" features.
  4. Re:products did not end with a whimper by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I remember when the ROKR came out, everyone was saying immediately that not only would it be a flop, but that Apple had put little effort into it because they wanted it to be a flop. Because then, they would be justified when they say "See? The cel phone guys can't do this right, we obviously have to make one ourselves."

    And now it seems they were possibly right... So even if it was a flop, it's not clear that that wasn't exactly what Apple wanted.

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  5. Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone by admactanium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't understand the iphone hype, other than the pretty screen and possibly sexy interface. I have had my treo 650P for a while, and it does what I need. Phone, PDA, MP3, Internet, Word, Excel, PDF, Camera. And I just found a program that allows for stereo bluetooth. The rocker works for navigation and I can thumb type pretty darn well.
    and you get the added benefit of being able to take off the battery cover and stick the stylus in the reset slot in the dark by memory because you've become so familiar with it. my treo 700p had to be reset at least 4 times a day. if i did a hard reset to put it back to factory form and lose all my data, it would only crash once a day instead.

    You are excited that phones can sync music? Dump MP3s on a SD card and you are ready to go on a Treo. No DRMd itunes requred, and you can pack a few different SD cards.
    my 700p would stutter and skip on mp3's after about five seconds. it did this right out of the box so it basically never functioned properly. you can put a 4Gb sd card in it but it still won't have as much space as a 8Gb iphone. the iphone can also play non-drmed music just like every other ipod in existence.

    Want video? You can rip a DVD and play it too. Crappy resolution, but not much worse than the iphone.
    but it is worse. if the treo had a larger screen than an iphone, i'm sure you'd call the iphone lame for having a smaller screen.

    They are touting a real browser on the iphone. Do you really want to surf on a 480x320 screen? I don't really like using a 1024x768 screen.
    well, if you want to browse the web on your phone you have limited choices. obviously you just don't like using the web on any phone, but if you do, then having a larger screen makes more sense up to a point. i can't see how this is a negative. why get a smartphone if you just want it to play music and make calls?

    And my new 755p on Verizon is coming out next week. Better camera and mini SD card, no antenna.
    and the same kludgy, poorly multitasking, ugly operating system as palms have had for how many years now?

    i tried to like my treo 700p. i spent a lot of money on it and software for it. it was simply the worse piece of technology i have ever owned. if palm went out of business tomorrow it wouldn't phaze me one bit. they released a product that was defective and basically never admitted it nor fixed it. mine was stolen under stressful circumstances. but even after it was stolen at gunpoint, i was pretty relieved to be rid of the damned thing.
  6. Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not really about the grandma any more. Grandma doesn't want an iPhone, I'm (pretty) sure. It's the younger, or even middle aged people who would really really like to have a phone that is for once easy to use and is useful as well.

    You know what happens when a person buys an Apple computer? They start using iPhoto to organize their digital photos. They start using the iMovie and iDVD to make movies. All of a sudden they do all the things they were supposed to be able to do on their PCs. I know this because my sister and about a half a dozen other people who switched are doing it.
    So all of a sudden now, they see their computers as appliances that are actually useful and easy to use too.

    Same will happen with the iPhone.

    I'm sure that my shitty Motorlla has an address book function in it somewhere. And it charges via a USB port. But you know what, I can't for the life of me figure out if I can move my contacts onto it. Hell I don't even know where the address book on it is! But I only have 2 college degrees, so maybe I don't meet Motorolla's requirements for a cellphone license.

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  7. AT&T Math? Misleading advertising? by Mia'cova · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From AT&T's description of their $20/month 'unlimited' (excludes international/roaming) SMS texting plan:

    Messaging Unlimited
    You have the freedom to message any way to any one - text, picture, video and IM - without worrying what each message costs. That means every message counts the same. You can send and receive ANY combination of messages. Want to send all picture messages? No problem. All IMs? Go ahead and chat away - send and receive messages for less than pennies per day! What does "less than pennies per day" mean? What does that even mean?!! Okay, when I think "pennies," I don't think 66 of them. At that point, I think we're talking "quarters per day" not "less than pennies per day." Is $0.99/min roaming "pennies per minute?"

    Added to the fact that the links throughout their rates site keep casually dumping you back to voice-plan information as you navigate between sections and such, they're really pissing me off by making information as hard as possible to find AND read. Anything that doesn't read like it came from a lawyer may as well be an outright lie it's so misleading.

    I can't wait to get charged for incoming messages every weekend while roaming in Canada.. at least with WiFi I can finally dodge data-rate raping (otherwise 50kb/$1, perhaps $1-2 per page view these days! YouTube? I'm scared it'll unlock and I'll bump the icon in my pocket..)

    When AT&T coughs up their next north america plan, I damned well better be able to switch to it. If I can't, that'd be a deal-breaker.

    And yes, I use all the skype like tricks whenever possible... too bad I can't do wifi+skype on the iphone. But it's their misleading advertising I want to bring up rather than starting a skype/whatever thread.

    Oh well, hopefully only another few years of this bullshit until we're able to get all this for free wherever an internet connection is available. I suppose we've all been thinking that for a while..

    Oh well. I'll give it a shot on friday and if the new shinyness isn't truly worth the massive massive additional cost, I will be returning this phone.
    1. Re:AT&T Math? Misleading advertising? by Mia'cova · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nothing of the level of skype is technically possible with the developer support they've offered. You won't be able to work around it. The web-apps they're supporting are little more than very basic web pages. You don't even get javascript support (so no AJAX apps), let alone anything a little more sophisticated like flash. They've made very big talk out of an undisclosed programming interfaces they've suggested. This will allow access to some information like your address book. These will in no way, shape, or form add sophisticated support. You CAN NOT run custom code on the iphone, period. You can't even get the iphone itself to count to ten (outside of their basic calculator app, heh). Seriously. In this kind of server-side webapp model, with nothing more than html/css, anything like skype, an MSN client, live maps, etc is entirely out of the question.

      My opinion is that there's an extremely good chance this is part of Apple's contract/business plan with AT&T. They've locked it down like crazy to force you into paying significantly high fees for things like SMS. Do NOT expect to be able to use MSN/AIM/Skype/ANYTHING with the iphone. You're guaranteed to be disappointed until a time when Apple changes their mind and contract obligations are fulfilled. AT&T won't budge an inch on this either. They've already signed Apple for five years. At this point, Apple's motivation behind rich-application support is extremely suspect. We can't hope/assume they'll all of a sudden just "change their mind." Their strong-willed stance on this suggests there is no change in sight. Be smart and don't assume things will be rosey. It's not a phone that will save you money down the road. It will push your monthly bills up, especially with international/roaming issues like those I'm expecting. I'll have a windows mobile handset for travel. Those, at least, can be picked up on the cheap from ebay easily enough.

      Consider yourself warned ;)

      But by all means, expect all the built in stuff to work wonderfully. YouTube/web will be slow on edge but otherwise I completely expect an as-advertised performer. Those who haven't geeked-out with other smart-phones just won't know what they're missing. We're a small crowd (and they intend to keep things that way!).

  8. Re:Is rtsp the real web? by appleprophet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It has been confirmed that the iPhone can stream audio and video using the H.264 codec through Safari.

  9. Re:Why some of us are excited about iPhone by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Please explain your source for these 6 clicks. I'll give you a source where it takes one push to call somebody (apple.com). Having only seen demos and the commercials, I can only think of 4 clicks to call somebody, if the phone is completely in the off configuration. 1-turn the switch on the top to "on", 2-slide your finger to unlock the screen, 3-choose phone, 4-dial.

    What you won't see ANYWHERE on the iPhone is confusing drop-down menus, deeply rooted sub-menus, and the hierarchal, linear constraints of nearly all current cell phone offerings. If you can't figure out the iPhone with a few exploratory clicks, or if you get lost in the interface (which is common on every other phone), then you can say it isn't anything new. But having watched all the demos and commercials, it is blatantly obvious that this thing is a no-brainer with the interface.

  10. Re:I'm buying.. Friday. by shmlco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Rumor also has it that they're going to pass out numbered armbands as the line builds. So the "friend" standing in line will only get one band, hence one number, hence cutting in won't be possible... nor, as you suggest, smart.

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  11. Re:I'm buying.. Friday. by walter_f · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Keep in mind that Apple did approach Verizon first; Verizon turned it down.

    I've seen a Verizon executive quoted saying that Apple wanted their share of the monthly revenues which Verizon denied.

    So one may speculate whether AT&T/Cingular have been more "co-operative" in their negotiations with Apple or not...

    Walter.