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Microsoft Doesn't Care About Destroying Linux

techie writes "A latest column on MadPenguin.org suggests that Microsoft may not be really interested in killing Linux for mainstream users. It's after something else, and it's getting its way already. Read on to find out what it is. The author states, "Love it or hate it, Microsoft's IP attacks will continue, Linux user numbers will continue to grow and broad spectrum adoption throughout the rest of the world will grow and flourish. Microsoft's not interested in destroying Linux in the slightest. Why would they? it's been a fantastic vehicle for them to land a firmer grip on the corporations throughout the US."

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  1. Great, you know what that means by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now Microsoft plans to brainwash Linux and then marry it in a dramatic wedding ceremony that will cement its rule over the two kingdoms.

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    1. Re:Great, you know what that means by monk.e.boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft need to make money. Not kill Linux.

      If they could see a way to make more money by working with Linux, they'd do that. Hell, they're not that stupid ;-)

      Just stating the obvious.

      monk.e.boy

    2. Re:Great, you know what that means by EvilRyry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Normally, you'd be right. Companies like to make money however they can. However this is Microsoft.

      Microsoft makes its money by controlling the market. Linux allows for multiple vendors to compete in the market (aka capitalism), preventing any one vendor from controlling it. Even if Microsoft could make a boatload of money on Linux, they would never risk their precious (and profitable!) monopoly on the OS market.

    3. Re:Great, you know what that means by east+coast · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now Microsoft plans to brainwash Linux and then marry it in a dramatic wedding ceremony that will cement its rule over the two kingdoms.

      Bill Gates: This Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who. I see this not as losing a son, but gaining a daughter in a very legal and binding way.

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  2. Windows needs something to denigrate... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It makes sense. Without something to denigrate, what Microsoft could do? How could Microsoft claim to be "better"?

    For many business managers that went to business schools who know fuck-all about IT, it's very easy to believe that something that is "free" in both senses of the word is not good. After all, business is about control and profit, two things that are absent from "free".

    1. Re:Windows needs something to denigrate... by xvicex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's just BS! Why would you need to claim your product is better then your oponent's one if there aren't any?

      In any case they do claim their product is better then the previous version just not in a clear way like "Way better then XP!". That's why in the product charts comparing the several Vista licencies they have fields that make no cense like "Better Security" with just the most expensive ones selected, are they saying the cheapper ones have crappy security? Are they assuming to be selling a unsecure software?

    2. Re:Windows needs something to denigrate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the goal of IT management is running a cost effective operation, Linux has some advantages. However, if the real goal is preservation of budget and headcount, Windows is the way to go. Sometimes, the easiest money to get your hands on is the "non-discretionary" cash you need to maintain the status quo. Notice how IT management is quite content to outsource work to India and elsewhere, so long as the original IT management is still in charge of the projects and the bodies performing the work. Delivering IT systems and services is secondary; maintaining "control" is job 1. Rock the boat by making some of that infrastructure unnecessary, and you will have to beg and plead for every dollar -- even if you have day-1 savings that more than cover what you want to do.

      Bear in mind, that reducing headcount means one-time expenses related to severance, etc. And savings on license fees will take at least a few months to hit the bottom line (sometimes longer). In most cases, it takes at least a year to show the savings to be had by dumping MS. It may very well be worth doing, but the first year is not going to put big savings onto the scoreboard. And it may take a while before users discovers that things work more smoothly than before. In the short run, dumping MS might be a rough ride.

      Sadly, it is the people who don't spend much money who are often taken for granted. In many companies, the path to success in management is to grow your budget and headcount faster than anyone else.

      I have met a whole generation of IT professionals who like what MS does for their careers more than it does for their business.

  3. No Reason to be afraid. by jshriverWVU · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As long as OEM's keep selling machines with windows preinstalled, I seriously doubt if MS cares if you clean it and load Ubuntu on the machine. They still got their $75 for the license.

    That's one reason I respect Dell for having the guts to sell machines with Linux preinstalled.

  4. Only Part of the article by stretch0611 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is pathetic. The author makes a haphazard attempt to explain the current situation then draws his conclusion. He does not explain how he arrived at that conclusion or give any evidence. The Psychic Friends network gives better supporting evidence.

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    1. Re:Only Part of the article by Shotgun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spot on, dude.

      Even worse, the conclusion he draws doesn't even make sense. Linux helps Windows domination in the enterprise (where it is a monopoly) when users switch to it at home (where Windows is also a monopoly)? How-d-hell does that work?

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  5. It's talk, wait for action by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, they weren't considering directly competing with the iPod before either, and Windows XP Express was just for a different demographic, they didn't care about the OLPC and thought SmartPhones were the way to go, and that OLPC wasn't going after the same market because they didn't share exactly the same goals...

    Microsoft is forever expanding into new markets because Windows and Office aren't the "revenue streams" they used to be, and eventually they will be trying to get money from people using Linux. Even if they don't go after Linux directly, they will probably be going after Linux users saying they owe Microsoft something for some reason. Microsoft isn't interested in putting products on the shelf that a user may or may not buy.

    They're more interested in taxing or selling a "service", simply because it's a guaranteed income if the customer is tethered to Microsoft in some way. If you don't buy Windows, then you can't keep it on your PC when Microsoft releases a new version. Instead, MS wants to be charging you yearly for using Windows (like with business Licensing) or yearly for using their IP in Linux. It's guaranteed money every year, as opposed to you maybe not upgrading every year like their ideal situation.

    1. Re:It's talk, wait for action by quanticle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft is forever expanding into new markets because Windows and Office aren't the "revenue streams" they used to be, and eventually they will be trying to get money from people using Linux.

      If they really wanted revenue from Linux users they would come out with Office for Linux. However, that's not what they want. The want to keep businesses locked into using Windows on the desktop and the server, hence the flood of patent litigation threats. This is just the latest iteration in their campaign to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

      First they claimed that Linux was unreliable. Then they claimed that it was insecure. Now they're claiming that it allows for intellectual property violations. This isn't a change in strategy, just an adjustment in tactics. Their long term goal is still to scare businesses away from Linux.

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  6. It's important not to crush all your enemies by gelfling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Redmond doesn't want to obliterate all comers such as Linux and Apple because that would trigger yet more legislation and court cases. Redmond has to 'suffer' a 10% or 15% market share to its competitors in order to preserve the illusion of a loyal opposition.

  7. TFA makes no sense. by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft's not interested in destroying Linux in the slightest. Why would they? it's been a fantastic vehicle for them to land a firmer grip on the corporations throughout the US.
    That makes no sense whatsoever. How can their grip be any firmer than having a monopoly on all the software that is used by corporate America?
  8. Linux Good for MS by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux provides Microsoft with a competitive reason to further intertwine its entire Windows software stack into a set of offerings targetted directly to different users. I imagine, in the future, there will be Windows : Developer Edition, that comes with some sort of Vista Pro and Visual Studio, or Windows : Home Edition, the comes with some sort of integration with XBox 360 integration and a slew of built in game subscriptions.

    These moves would shut out or down Windows ISVs, but would provide a bit more revenue growth for Microsoft. Were someone to cry anti-trust foul, Microsoft could, and has, pointed to Linux as a real competitor. This isn't unlikely. When Linux couldn't even run with many kinds of mice and had little hardware graphics acceleration, Microsoft claimed they were a competitor during the Netscape trial.

    It's the Dunkin Donuts defense, and it works. The backstory is that Dunkin Donuts drove Amy Joy out of business, but argued that it wasn't a monopoly because you could still buy donuts from Entemanns and other local bakeries. Microsoft is doing the same thing.

    And, the other thing, too, is that the consumer OS space really doesn't have much room for MS. Consumers generally don't go to the store to buy operating systems, all the MS money is in preloads. So, if consumers do switch to Linux, MS has already collected its first payment. Then, as most consumers do, they switch back to Windows, by going to the store and buying a copy of something like Vista. In other words, the more frequently a user switches back and forth between Windows and Linux, the more likely they will make Microsoft even more money.

    So they don't want to support Linux, but they don't want to quite kill it off either.

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  9. Non-sequitur by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA is a complete and utter waste of time to read. It doesn't make sense to itself. It's something like:

    Microsoft doesn't care about Linux because people are starting to use it more and more, but not as much in America and America is going to hell in a handbasket so Microsoft really doesn't care if Linux eats their lunch if they do it slower and that helps Microsoft get to the corporations with Ubuntu in their back pocket. /TRIPE.

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    1. Re:Non-sequitur by brap999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Holy run-on sentences Batman!

  10. Re:Microsoft doesn't have to frighten normal users by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until you can provide a "don't think about it - it just works" Linux desktop the users aren't going to switch. Even then it had best come preinstalled and have a near seamless way to run windows software that they might want.

    I disagree. There's tons of stuff you have to think about when using Windows. The difference, however, is that Linux makes you look at a command line, while Windows wraps it all in pretty GUI screens that all do essentially the same thing.

    So Linux doesn't have to be "don't think about it - it just works" to succeed. It needs to be "don't think about it - just click OK" to succeed.

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  11. Riding the Wave by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft's fortune was made on riding the wave - making money off the shift in the industry from proprietary hardware platforms to commodity based platforms. IBM was the big loser as it lost control of the platform they made popular. Meanwhile, every single (or close enough) "PC" was a payment to Microsoft no matter if it was IBM, Compaq, or Joe's Whitebox Store.

    Linux is a large part of the next wave - shifting the OS as proprietary product to commodity platform. But instead of IBM, this shift directly threatens not only Microsoft's core products but a large portion of their business model (and development). Microsoft is looking for a way to get on top of this wave as well.

    The IP shennanigans going on is simply Microsoft's attempt to gain control of Linux and hash out a way so that every commodity hardware platform that runs a commodity OS (specifically Linux) also includes a payment to Microsoft.

  12. New, improved and content-free. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 5, Funny


    Article summary:

    Microsoft blahblahblah Linux blahblahblah Corporations blahblahblah Users blahblahblah Doesn't Matter blahblahblah Or Does It blahblahblah Who Cares? blahblahblah Apparently, none of the above blahblahblah click here to make me some money.

  13. not ready for the desktop by stim · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry but I have said this a thousand times, windows is not ready for the desktop. Every so often I install the newest incarnation XP, vista, what have you, hoping that they have gotten their act together but they have not. Until MS can make an operating system that 'just works' without grepping through cryptic registry keys or deciding what antivirus/spyware programs to run it just won't be good enough for grandma. And don't get me started on package management! Theres no standard way to install software, do I click setup.exe, setup.msi , install.bat ? Windows has come a long way, maybe 2008 will be the year of the MS Desktop. if you mod me funny instead of insightful then your a jerk!

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  14. Standard FUD Play by rlp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a bluff - if Microsoft went after say, Red Hat, they'd have to name the patents that were being "infringed". That would cause:

    1) Many of the patents to be invalidated due to prior art.
    2) OSS programmers to code around the "infringing" patents.
    3) IBM (and it's huge patent portfolio) to come after Microsoft. Since
          IBM has a huge vested interested in Linux.
    4) Enormously BAD publicity for Microsoft, and call for actual enforcement
          of the antitrust ruling against them.

    It would be an extremely self-destructive move. By talking about infringement (but not doing
    anything), they cast doubt over the competition and even get some gullible corporations to cough
    up some cash (woah! free money!). It's a FUD play, fairly standard in Microsoft's (anti-)
    competitive playbook.

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  15. Taco, please by happyfrogcow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Taco,

    Get this trash of an article off the front page. It's making /. look bad

  16. That isn't "fragmented". by khasim · · Score: 3, Informative

    But the more fragmented the Linux market is, the better MS looks as a corporate choice.

    But Linux is not "fragmented".

    Right now, I'm burning CentOS 5.0 because I don't want to pay RedHat to test and play with a new OS that I don't need support for, and it is only one of a few different RH clones.

    And each of those "clones" works in almost the exact same way.

    There is no "fragmentation". Any software that runs on the latest version of RHEL will also run on the latest version of Ubuntu. Or Slackware. etc.

    Microsoft has to be liking what it is seeing, with every day a new distribution of Linux coming out, and no single standard. Different files in different places...

    And yet that does not seem to be hampering Linux's growth at all.

    So maybe it isn't as big a problem as you believe it to be.

    Anyone who knows Red Hat can pick up Ubuntu in less than a day. And Slackware in another day. And Gentoo over a weekend. At which point, you pretty much know every distribution out there.
  17. Linux staff more expensive, harder to replace... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's still that perception by business management types that a Windows-based IT shop can be staffed adequately by cheap, plentiful , easily-replaceable fresh grads right out of the local community college who have MSCE paper stuck to their foreheads. And there's still that perception that Linux/Unix qualified people are hard to find, tend to demand lots more pay, want real offices instead of an open bullpen with cubicle dividers, and that they tend to be more argumentative against the bean-counting management and they dislike strict dress codes and are less punctual when management expects them to always be there at 8:00AM sharp every morning despite whether or not they had to work until midnight the prior evening (for no overtime of course). In short, business management types prefer to keep their IT staff well under their thumbs, and squirming in fear of their positions... management hates, in the most profound way, to ever let themselves get into any position that looks like their IT people might have any kind of leverage to hold over them. Microsoft has convinced the business world that as long as they run a pure Windows-based IT operation, then their IT staff will always be a controlled commodity and easily replaceable with standard off-the-shelf "parts".

  18. Four basic package managers. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really? How many package managers? Some use apt-get, others RPM whatever.

    rpm
    apt
    slackware's pkgtool
    gentoo's emerge

    And learning them would be included in the single day it would take for anyone familiar with any distribution to learn a different distribution.

    How many desktops?

    So it seems that you're trying to define "fragmentation" as "choices".

    Why is that?

    No one refers to the car market as "fragmented" just because you can buy a Ford OR a Chevy.

    And if you buy a Chevy you can get a sports car OR a pickup truck OR an SUV.

    And you can get them in manual OR automatic.

    "Choice" is not "fragmentation". Learning to drive a manual pickup truck does not prevent you from learning to drive an automatic sports car. And the learning process will take less than a day.
    1. Re:Four basic package managers. by misleb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      rpm
      apt
      slackware's pkgtool
      gentoo's emerge

      And learning them would be included in the single day it would take for anyone familiar with any distribution to learn a different distribution.


      How long it takes to LEARN one package system or another is irrelevent. The real issue is that each package front end means a different package *backend*. Actually, there are more backends (repositories) than there are package managers. That means: if you want to release a binary version of your software, you have to compile and package it for each and every distribution you wish to support. This is a sign of fragmentation.

      No one refers to the car market as "fragmented" just because you can buy a Ford OR a Chevy.


      No slashdot discussion would be complete without a car analogy. :-)

      And if you buy a Chevy you can get a sports car OR a pickup truck OR an SUV.

      And you can get them in manual OR automatic.

      "Choice" is not "fragmentation". Learning to drive a manual pickup truck does not prevent you from learning to drive an automatic sports car. And the learning process will take less than a day.


      No, choice alone is not fragmentation. But when one car requires diesel fuel and another requires unleaded gas, that is fragmentation. Add in cars that charge from a high voltage/current line, and you have even more fragmentation. Each gas station that wants to support all these cars has to implement all the different ways of refueling. Just as any Linux software vendor who wants to support all of Linux has to build and test packages for a dozen or more different distributions. And a corporation trying to decide WHICH flavor of Linux to adopt has to be worried about which distribution will get the support of third party vendors. THAT is fragmentation.

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