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Microsoft's E3 Conference Displays Company Confidence

The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation, as they ran down their successes since the 360 launched and hyped their lineup between now and the end of the year. Peter Moore framed the discussing by recalling the blockbuster holiday season of 2004, which was driven by the Grand Theft Auto, Madden, and Halo franchises. Moore stated that 'the only place to play all three games' this year is the 360. In addition to showing off other heavyweight titles like Mass Effect (which is due in November), the company had a few new announcements: They'll be releasing a version of the movie trivia game Scene-It with a quartet of special controllers, for a standard game price. They've partnered with Walt Disney and its associated companies to bring their family of movies to the Xbox Live service, with many titles already available tonight. CliffyB officially revealed Gears of War for the PC; it'll have additional content as well as co-op gaming via Live for Windows. Resident Evil 5 will be coming to the system (the only game from their conference not releasing this year). The event was capped by a live-action short piece meant to show what a Halo movie might look like, the announcement of a Halo 3 special edition 360 sku set to launch alongside the game, and a new trailer showing a bunch of Halo 3 in-game footage. For further details on the event, click below for other sites' liveblog coverage.

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  1. Call of Duty by QMalcolm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Really surprised at how great COD4 looked, especially compared to the underwhelming Halo 3 footage. Everyone kind of assumed that Halo 3, being the biggest game for the 360, would end up being a graphical showcase, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be.

    1. Re:Call of Duty by MooseMuffin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bungie has the halo 3 trailer up in HD on its website. After a closer look on my own screen (as opposed to low rez streaming or the horrible g4 coverage) I thought it looked much much better than the multiplayer beta.

      Overall, I think it was an odd presentation. They only showed stuff coming out this year, and while there are a lot of quality titles coming in the next few months, it might come back to bite them. If Sony's presentation tomorrow contains all kinds of gorgeous footage from games that are still more than a year away, people will come away far more impressed. This is a lesson they should have learned from 2 years ago during the unveiling of the consoles. Sony showed CG footage that they hoped would represent in-game graphics, and even though it was BS, people came away wowed.

    2. Re:Call of Duty by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One has to remember that COD2 & 3 looked impressive too but all the noise and hubris disguised a stupid AI, dumb automatons as allies, linear levels, infinite spawn points and lots and lots of scripting. Give me a shooter with a decent AI any day.

    3. Re:Call of Duty by badasscat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Remember last years Ridge Racer and Gran Turismo hoopla from Sony or how about Nintendo's demo with Mario 128 and the realistic Zelda several years ago.

      Nintendo never showed a demo of "Mario 128", as in the game. I was at the press conference when they initially unveiled this - I believe it was actually at Space World, not E3. What they showed then was a demo called "128 Marios", *not* "Mario 128". This was only changed to "Mario 128" later. (There is a photo of the original title screen that got changed for later demos floating around the net somewhere, though I can't find it at the moment.) It was always a simple tech demo designed to show that the GameCube was capable of handling 128 N64-quality Marios at the same time without slowdown. There was no game there. It was just a bunch of Marios on a platform in space.

      Later, Miyamoto started saying in interviews that he was thinking of ways to turn "Mario 128" into a game. But no game was ever shown, and I don't believe any actual coding was done. Somehow, at some point the press and bloggers turned things around and got the idea retroactively that the tech demo that was shown was footage from a game that was never released. It wasn't. Any ideas Miyamoto did have were no doubt put into Mario Sunshine and Mario Galaxy.

  2. Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance by TommyBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I watched it live, and I must say it was full of marketing drivel. Not one moment did I feel wonder at what was displayed, only felt like I was being sold something but a really slimy salesman. Which is fair enough right? No not really. I'm not interested in how they are going, or how many millions of dollars they will make, I just want innovation in games. All we got in this display was I bunch of dick waving.

    I'm sick of all this "our console is better than the other's" crap, I want to see the best games on the right console at the right time. For all three competitors. Their products should speak for themselves.

    1. Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance by QMalcolm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Marketing drivel? It is a press conference, they are trying to sell their product. And Microsoft has never been about the big reveal at E3, they tend to emphasize big games coming, and basically reiterating their focus for the year. If you want big surprises, you'll probably going to be more interested in the Nintendo and Sony conferences tomorrow.

    2. Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Frankly, I think that the 360 is a pretty damn solid platform, but you're absolutely right. There was a lot of awkward clapping by the presenters on the stage, and not a lot of enthusiasm in the crowd.

      That said, what did you expect from a press conference? "Our competitors are also good"? Microsoft wanted to point out their advantages (Halo and other exclusive titles, Live Arcade, movie downloads).

      Moreover, E3 is as much about publishers as it is about end users. Microsoft is trying to steal PS3 exclusives, and they do that by pointing to their install base.

      Typical boring Microsoft presentation. Every one of their presentations is boring, every one is awkward, and every one is fulled with marketing. Apple is so much better at this that it's not even funny. I'm sure Nintendo's presentation will be way better, too, and there's a good chance that Sony's will be as well.

    3. Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance by VertigoAce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wasn't this E3 about a much more limited audience? In other words, if the crowds are primarily press, are you really surprised that they didn't cheer like crazy? If I was there covering it for my website/magazine/whatever, I would be taking notes as fast as I could, not clapping to everything that was said. That said, I got the distinct impression the audience was more lively than you could here on the streaming video feed.

      On another note; I found it interesting that Microsoft seems to be going after Nintendo with this E3. SceneIt and the Disney deal (as well as the new Viva Pinata games) seem directly targeted at Nintendo. It'll be interesting to see whether they can get enough publicity on these to make a difference.

    4. Re:Lots of dick waving, not alot of substance by Das+Modell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just want innovation in games.

      What the fuck is this "I want innovation in games" whining that's been going on for years and years now? It's getting very annoying. Why does everyone want innovation for innovation's sake? Do you even know what you want, or are you just repeating the popular catchphrase of the moment? Even if developers do release innovative or different games, people still keep repeating "moar inovation plz" like some kind of fucking parrots. A game doesn't need to be innovative in order to be fun.

      This is pretty much like the "more gameplay, less graphics" bullshit that people keep spouting. They must be completely out of the gaming loop since they keep demanding something that's been around for decades.

      Note to moderators: no, this isn't a "troll" or a "flamebait." If you don't know what trolling and flamebaiting are, leave moderating to people who actually know what the fuck they're doing.
  3. Live? by ludomancer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...it'll have additional content as well as co-op gaming via Live for Windows."

    Oh goodie, as opposed to co-op gaming via the mother-fucking-internet.

    1. Re:Live? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not just via the internet, via internet you already pay for, but they want you to pay again for!

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  4. The new E3 by dunezone · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think Microsoft did an excellent job of showcasing what the new e3 is about. They presented themselves like they would to shareholders in a company. They talked about the current market and how they are standing up to the competition. (And when they showed the numbers they showed Nintendo right behind them and didnt hide it) They showed off their exclusive titles, new services to xbox live, and of course they showed us game play of new titles.

    This is the new E3, no more crowded booths, no more distractions with booth babes, crazy music, and all that jazz. This is about showing off what you got against the competition.

  5. They showed confidence, so? by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation

    Well of course it was! How many companies go to a big conference and put on a presentation and say "Hey! We suck!"?

    Remember Sony's conference last year? Remember "Riiidge Racer!"? _They_ were certainly confident, but that didn't mean much in the long run. It's not whether they show confidence in themselves that matters, it's whether the media and the consumers also feel confident about them by the time the presentation is done.

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  6. Did somebody say 'movie'? by wall0159 · · Score: 2, Funny

    After the cinematic masterpiece that was DooM, I just can't wait for the Halo movie.

    I hope they release it in blu-ray or HD-DVD, so I can watch it in all its HighDef glory.

    1. Re:Did somebody say 'movie'? by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

      After the cinematic masterpiece that was DooM, I just can't wait for the Halo movie.

      Haven't you heard? The Halo movie was put on indefinite hold a while back. That said, it looks like they still have Neill Blomkamp in their corner, judging by the short they showed tonight. If you haven't already, you should check out some of his stuff, especially Alive in Joburg. He's a very talented director and cinematographer, and many people were excited to hear that he was going to helm the Halo movie. On top of that, IMDB currently lists Alex Garland (28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later) as the writer for the Halo movie, which shows promise. And finally, Bungie has a huge bible of Halo lore that they use for the games and books, which gives the Halo movie a fighting chance compared to Doom (which only had a story in order to justify why you were hunting for keys and killing demons). If they ever decide to go forward with the movie, I'll be cautiously excited.

      I hope they release it in blu-ray or HD-DVD, so I can watch it in all its HighDef glory.

      But Blu-Ray is Sony! Eww! Obviously they'll release it as an HD download on Xbox Live instead. :)

    2. Re:Did somebody say 'movie'? by BarneyL · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just watch, the Halo movie will come out exclusively on Blu-Ray...

  7. Confidence? Not the buyers... by Panzergheist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I still wonder how many of those 10-million-plus 360s are from "repeat" buyers.

  8. Re:profit by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Amazing what you can do with $4billion to burn. The most amazing thing is that Sony still probably would have beaten them if they didn't get caught up in their own hubris and focus on things like blu-ray.

    You know: if, if, if...

    If Sony didn't focus on things like blu-ray, hd-dvd would've taken edge, and they'd lose a far more lucrative revenue source than gaming.

    If Microsoft didn't burn so much money on sales at loss, maybe they'd still gain edge since XBOX260 was the first 3G console on the market, and with solid online service.

    Last but not least, if Nintendo didn't screw Son with the CD players, PlayStation wouldn't exist in the first place.

    But if or not if, the situation is like it is, and I pretty much believe there won't be PS4 ever. Sony plans to keep PS3 for something like 10-15 years, and with poor growth, exclusives and features like this, XBOX480 (or whatever) and WiiPeeDoo 2 will basically finish them completely.

    Microsoft have confidence in the sector for a reason.

  9. Re:/. is funny sometimes by MoonFog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I kind of see your point, but the OP seemed to imply that hating Windows and liking the Microsoft gaming divison was sort of mutually exclusive which I don't agree with at all. If you dislike Microsoft due to illegal monopoly practices, that's one thing, but what is it with about hating Windows itself that makes it hypocritical to enjoy a 360? I think MS Office is a very good office suit that is certainly ahead of its competition, but using the same logic as before I should dislike that simply because I dislike Windows. That's what I don't buy.

  10. Celebrating their monopoly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the final sentence of the following portion of the summary is sad:

    "The tone from Microsoft tonight was one of celebration and anticipation, as they ran down their successes since the 360 launched and hyped their lineup between now and the end of the year. Peter Moore framed the discussing by recalling the blockbuster holiday season of 2004, which was driven by the Grand Theft Auto, Madden, and Halo franchises. Moore stated that 'the only place to play all three games' this year is the 360."

    The celebration is essentially over their monopoly. The deals are paying off; their role as gatekeeper and toll collector is going to make them a lot of money. The console has fewer capabilities than a comparably-priced personal computer these days, and it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all. Although consumers are making free decisions, I think constructing consoles (or Verizon cell phones, or Sony media formats, or various batteries and light bulbs, etc) simply to lure people in to participating in ongoing exclusive transactions to eventually exploit both all remaining perceived value of the product and the reluctance of a person to turn away from a bad decision, is unethical.

    The Atari 2600 console was created and sold at a time when a comparable personal computer was maybe 10X the cost.
    The 360 is just a crippled personal computer created for the sole purpose of creating a value distortion effect that causes an unjustifiable amount of money eventually going to its creators and partners.

    The creation of Microsoft's video formats, or the Flash video format, or Sony's Blue-Ray, or SMS, or Verizon's "Get It Now", or Sony's memory stick, etc, has nothing to do with creating value for the consumer or making an advance in technology. It's all about luring people in to habits that are difficult to break.

    While I think it's shameful for Apple to not enable easy use of any audio file to be used as a "ring tone" when the iPhone receives a call, at least Apple INNOVATED and provided genuine value in the many other features of the software and hardware. Even Apple seems reluctant to turn down the totally unethical revenue gained by controlling how people associate audio clips with incoming calls, though! (May they prove me wrong some day soon!) However, their access to the Internet (e.g., YouTube) is completely neutral; only bandwidth with the carrier matters. Meanwhile, Verizon and some 3G device carriers wanted to use their monopolistic roles yet again by charging specifically for access to YouTube content. How do carriers add value to specific data streams? They don't!

    Stockholders and board members should vote in some ethics-inspired procedures to prevent the exploitation of any monopoly-like conditions that their business units might happen to indirectly or directly create. For example, the charter of Verizon should have forbid having any control over the kinds of data carried on their networks, or controlling any data transferred to and from devices owned by customers. "Get It Now" should never have been possible. Costly SMS bills, beyond the reasonable cost of operating cell towers, etc, should never have become a big source of profit for carriers.

    Microsoft and its partners may be way beyond the ability to adopt any sort of ethics-inspired corporate principles; the very creation of the 360 is evidence of that.

    Maybe the ultimate solution to the problem of companies creating captive markets (because such companies are too lazy to actually innovate or create genuine value) is to spread information that makes it evident that a person is better off choosing products in true open markets.

    1. Re:Celebrating their monopoly... by scapermoya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The console has fewer capabilities than a comparably-priced personal computer these days, and it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all.

      really? i agree that it was a forced event, but microsoft has never been known for their people skills. bash the presentation all you want, but their console is pretty good. i'd like to see the $3-400 multi-core 3.2 ghz computer you have been gaming on.

      also, saying that "it has only been the exclusive publication deals that have drawn people to buy the 360 at all" is like saying disneyland is only popular because its the only place where you can find all of those rides.

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    2. Re:Celebrating their monopoly... by phildo420 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In economics, this is product differentiation where the ultimate goal is to be "different" enough to be considered a separate market, and therefore have market power.

      Apple does the same exact thing with the Mac. It's not a PC, it's a Mac -- product differentiation into a different market. Once you're with Mac, you don't have choices as to hardware, you just have Apple. It's ultimately the same goal. The iPod is similar in that it ties into iTunes. And OSX is similar in that it's tied directly to their hardware and software offerings. You could say Apple has a monopoly in the "Mac" market just like Microsoft has a monopoly on the "360" market or Sony has a monopoly on the "PS3" market, and like the Mac/PC competition there is some overlap -- but not everything for the PC is available for Mac, and not everything for the Mac is available on PC. To ultimately have "everything", you have to get both.

      The goal is to make consumers think that rather than competing products, that they are different products and that you may need both of them to get everything you want. Do you have two different branded razors? Two different branded gallons of milk in the fridge? Those are products competing directly with each other. The consoles would be closer to juice vs milk -- you might want one or the other in your fridge, so they compete in that regard, but to get the calcium you go with milk, for the antioxidants you go with the juice so you may still want to get both.

      The PS3 and the XBox360 are the two ice cream stands that are 10 feet apart on a beach a mile long and competing for a large portion of the customers, but each one has slightly different offerings (in the ice cream stand example -- Hotelling model for spacial competition -- the difference is distance to walk).

  11. A little mixed by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After watching their press conference I'm a little mixed about it. I liked the fact that they didn't bother talking too much about what's coming out far off in 2008, but talked about what we could be expecting to see in time for the holidays. It's interesting to see what's in the pipes, but I liked that they highlighted the games showing up in the near future. I also think they did a good job pointing out some of the exclusives that they were going to have as well or what kind of exclusive features (GTA IV downloadable content) that would only be showing up on the Xbox 360.

    I think that their efforts in terms of family games was a little on the week side. I can understand they want to get into the same marketspace as the Wii, but it seems as though it's an afterthought for them. I think that their initial core market is mature gamers who enjoy FPS games and such. The Scene It game just seemed kind of awkward for a console. I think the majority of Xbox 360 owners don't really care too much about these games. I would have rather seen more focus on their core.

    I really could care less about their Live for Windows information as well, but I've never been much of a computer gamer. I've always liked E3 for the focus on the consoles.

    One thing that really stuck out, and this always seems to happen at pretty much every conference, is that some celebrity or designer comes out to highlight a game and they come off sounding stiff and awkward. The lady talking during the Assassins Creed preview made me cringe. The Madden demo also felt forced. Please reherse or find some more genuine presenters. It makes everything look more professional. Last year Sony was horrible for this reason.

    Overall, not a bad showing, but it didn't feel as though they were trying to generate a lot of buzz. Maybe that's just an effect of the new format of E3 though. Looking forward to both of the press conferences tomorrow and what Sony and Nintendo have in the works.

  12. Re:No price cuts? by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the biggest things that was expected was for Microsoft to announce was that they were cutting the price of the 360.

    Why should they cut their price? The Elite version is still cheaper than a PS3. They're kicking ass in terms of media downloads (Disney is a huge win) and XBLA. They're getting exclusive games for the 360 and getting other companies to break their exclusivity (Resident Evil, Devil May Cry). Live subscriptions are way up, even if total console sales didn't quite hit the mark. They've even earned a fair amount of good will with their ring of death mea culpa and extended warranty. By all counts, the 360 is doing quite well and doesn't really warrant a price cut. The savings might be enough to start showing a profit on hardware at the current price, which would be great press for Microsoft and fantastic news for shareholders (it might even get the stock price back above $30).

    That said, it's rumored that the new 65nm process will be up and running soon (Fall), which will reduce the build price of the console. It's quite possible that there still may be a price cut looming for the holiday if they can get the 65nm boxes out in time. Then again, they may be better off pocketing the savings rather than cutting prices so long as the cheapest PS3 is more expensive than the most expensive 360.

    Nobody's expecting Nintendo to cut the price of the Wii to $200. Why should Microsoft cut the price of the 360 just because Sony did so with the PS3?

  13. Re:/. is funny sometimes by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2, Funny

    No I don't buy sony because of what sony did to Sega.

    Yeah I hold my grudges till grim death.

  14. Not only on Windows by dharbee · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Though they had to be running Windows"

    Come on man, you knew this, but in case you didn't

    http://www.amazon.com/Macsoft-Halo-Mac/dp/B00006IQ TH
    http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2003/11/halo/

  15. Re: Sony cut the price of the PS3 ? by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nobody's expecting Nintendo to cut the price of the Wii to $200. Why should Microsoft cut the price of the 360 just because Sony did so with the PS3?

    Wait... Sony dropped the price of the PS3? At launch you could get one for $499 or $599, now on Amazon I see them listed for $499 and $599... Did they introduce a new SKU for $449 or $399 and I'm not seeing it?

  16. Re:Confidence? by Altus · · Score: 2, Interesting


    What boggles my mind is that his 360 had only 200 hours of game play on it. 40 games, 5 hours a piece? yipes!

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  17. Watched the G4 coverage of the E3 MSFT preview by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And all I kept hearing - between the lines - was that some games would ship on Microsoft that already were shipping on PS3 and Wii, and that other games would ship first of xBox360 and then ship on the Wii.

    Take home message, other than a few games (Halo) that we already knew were xBox360 specific - not much behind the PR.

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