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Surgeon General Describes Censorship From Bush Administration

UniversalVM writes "The NY Times is reporting that the former Surgeon General in damaging testimony given to the senate describes how he was repeatedly censored by the Bush administration while speaking out about topics such as global warming, Stem cell research and so on. The effort was to 'water down' or weaken reports on important issues to suit Republican Agenda. He describes how he attended one meeting where Global Warming was being described as a 'Liberal Agenda' and being dismissed. He tried to intervene thinking that the people there did not understand the science so he set about explaining it to them, the result? He was never invited back."

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  1. Well It's About Time! by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surgeon General Describes Censorship From Bush Administration Why is he speaking out? Because the Surgeon General's job is to warn me of things that are dangerous to my health.

    I can't wait until Bush has to get a tattoo on his back that reads: "SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING! Election of this individual may result in death and will increase the risk of the rest of the world hating you."
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    My work here is dung.
    1. Re:Well It's About Time! by Darby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What happened to the Republicans of old? When exactly did they turn into what is in power now?

      Is this seriously not really fucking obvious to you?
      It was 1980 when the Republicans rejected Barry Goldwater (Republican) in favor of Ronald Reagan (fascist). They'd already fallen pretty far (Nixon's treason and Ford's folly), but that was their chance to save their party. They chose instead to brutally rape it in the ass until it was dead.

      There's really nothing particularly complicated or even non-obvious about it.

      I like cutting of taxes, but, it has to go with smaller govt. spending too!! I want a candidate that is for that, that fiscally conservative, slightly liberal socially....and most of all, respects and honors the Constitution.

      Vote Libertarian then. They're the only party that believes in anything of the sort.

      Seriously, if you're asking these sorts of questions now then you've obviously never put any thought into it at all.
      This shit ain't new and it ain't difficult to figure out with an hour of research tops.

      Ron Paul is a Libertarian who runs as a Republican, but I personally wouldn't vote for him if he did win the Republican nomination (ha! the douchebag republicans booed him at the debate for stating simple facts and cheered Giuliani for spouting idiotic lies. That's the state of that party in a nutshell right there) as that would lend support to the Republicans. As I'm not a fan of big government I'm certainly not voting for the party of biggest government. However, if you can stand to vote Republican, Ron Paul is the only one who believes in *any* of the things you say you do.

  2. Even slashdot is in on the act by also-rr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

    On a more serious note, even if you think that global warming is a pile of horse manure, why would anyone object to the measures that are being suggested? Unless they owned a coal mine of course...

    There's a lot of sense in heavy investment in nuclear, solar and wind power plus hybrid, diesel and electric vehicles even in a situation where the world isn't going wrong. Same with switching to CFLs and generally improving efficiency of resource usage etc... it's not like there are people who find clean air offensive... or at least I hope not.

  3. Grrrrrr. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Science should never bow to political pressures. Bush is guilty of this, obviously...This is hardly the first evidence.

    But, especially in the area of health care, he's far from the only one who has gotten involved in a negative manner. Reagan tried to squash talk about AIDS, Clinton poo poo'd needle exchange programs, Bush Jr. jumped on everything just as part of the administrations obsession about managing information.

    This stuff really needs to be separate and non-partisan...I am so freaking tired of this or that issue being batted around because of peoples inborn prejudices. A reputable expert with actual facts puts together a well thought-out, scientific report, and they get defunded, their speeches are edited and pre-reviewed. People from within the administration work to discredit their testimony. It's just ridiculous, and there is no way good science or good policy is coming out of it.

    Hell, while they're at it, they should add a scientist general, and do the same damn thing. This stuff isn't about opinion. There is a right answer.

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    1. Re:Grrrrrr. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Science should never bow to political pressures.

      Unfortunately, when your funding is managed by a bunch of people who simply don't believe the science, and who have no interest in different points of view, you can't really succeed at this. No matter how noble a sentiment it is.

      It's just ridiculous, and there is no way good science or good policy is coming out of it.

      Well, 'good' policy is subjective -- if your goal is to have a policy which starts with the supposition that homosexuality is bad, or Intelligent Design is valid, or abstinence only sex education isn't an oxymoron ... then it's good to be able to control the agenda and information coming out of your agencies. Then you can act like you have 'truth and goodness' on your side.

      This stuff isn't about opinion. There is a right answer.

      Not when you can convince people of such silly things as "our lives would be easier if Pi was 3". And, in the case of global warming, while there seems to be a majority of people who agree, as long as someone dissents you can claim that it's not fact, but opinion and theory and muddy the waters. An uncritical/uneducated public (who has been fed what you wanted them) won't be able to tell the difference.

      Sadly, nowadays, politically inconvenient basically means you get shut down. Especially in the current administration which has the attitude that "what we say is right, no matter what the truth is". They're not interested in truth -- they're interested in their position, and pandering to their base. Reality be damned.

      Cheers
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  4. Story of my life by soloport · · Score: 5, Funny

    Try explaining anything scientific to your friends -- you soon won't have any.

    1. Re:Story of my life by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Who the hell modded this informative??

      #1 Local weather stations aren't the only input.
      #2 Very few are actually at airports - and airports (aerodromes) were tarmac based since after WW1.
      #3 Being within 30 feet of an AC exhaust (especially small window based ones) means squat for the local temperature.
      #4 Local encroachment does not yield a small but systematic increase in temperature - it yields spikes.
      #5 Average temperature readings from a population of sensors cancel out local variations.
      #6 A systematic temperature increase is a systematic temperature increase, regardless of source.

      Yes, the individual sensors record the heat-island effect that is found in urban environments. Congratulations. You found out something that is 15 years old. Yes, urban environments are warmer than non-urban environments.

      However, you are an idiot if you believe that you are the first to think of this. Not only that, but carefully check the trend of both graphs shown on the homepage: after 1950, they both trend upward. And that's the key part: regardless of where you are, where you look at, temperature trends are on the up tick. Steadily. Some parts see heavier up ticks than others. But the end result is the same: things are getting warmer.

      Local construction does play a part, but it merely exacerbates a trend that shows up everywhere you look.

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  5. (+5, Funny) by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bill Hall, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, said that the administration disagreed with Dr. Carmona's statements. "It has always been this administration's position that public health policy should be rooted in sound science," Mr. Hall said.
    BWAHAHAHAHA.... wait, he's serious?
  6. Re:Hmmm... by DoraLives · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Dr. Carmona said he was ordered to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches.

    Absolutely breathtaking!

    These are the methods of a tin pot dictator, not the leader of a great and worthy nation.

    That Bush & Crew would put their own puffed up egos ahead of the health and well-being of their own countrymen says it all. Sigh.

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    Is it fascism yet?
  7. Lots of warming-related health issues by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's quite a few health-related issues: It sure would have been helpful to have talked about them over the last seven years.
  8. Remember the Nuremberg Trials? by Sara+Chan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After World WarII, several Nazi leaders were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not everyone wanted to do that. Winston Churchill, for example, just wanted to execute those Nazis. But the USA insisted on fair trials, saying that it was important to establish the principle of the rule of law.

    Back then, the USA had leadership that demonstrated to the world how even the most heinous crimes (particularly the Holocaust)—in which many millions of people died—can and should be handled according to law and principle.

    Compare that with what George W. does today.

  9. Re:Anybody doing and Accounting of the ... by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny how everyone wants to impeach Bush for doing things that Clinton got away with:
    Going to war with a country that was not a threat....CHECK!
    Lying to the country....CHECK!
    Claiming Iraq had WMDs....CHECK!
    Censoring the SG....CHECK!
    Firing attorneys....CHECK! ... Funny how conservatives are so quick to ignore qualitative differences so long as they can find some intersection in the actions of others.

    Going to war with a country that was not a threat....CHECK! We did not go to war with any nation under President Clinton. We did attack a few nations, and we did participate in NATO actions. But, even if you equate that with war, you can't possibly fail see the difference between the "wars" we fought under Clinton and the Iraq war.

    Lying to the country....CHECK! About? What were the consequences of that lie? Lying is bad, to be sure, but the consequences and nature of the lie are important as well, and the difference here is severe.

    Claiming Iraq had WMDs....CHECK! Yes, and Iraq actually *had* them then. That's why Clinton bombed those weapons. I don't see anyone claiming it was a lie back then, but it's extremely obvious it was a lie in 2003.

    Censoring the SG....CHECK! Certainly, that's bad, but again, the scope and excess of censorship under Bush is like a supernova compared to the matchstick censorship of Clinton.

    Firing attorneys....CHECK! Hrm... It's customary and accepted for the President to shuffle his cabinet and various offices around when he takes office, and also during re-election. What Bush did was unprecedented. Worse, he didn't do it for general political purposes (which is to be expected), he did it for for extremely political and highly partisan reasons, and he lied about the records of the people he fired. The firings were because the prosecutors wouldn't charge Democrats, and instead were going after Republicans. It doesn't matter that the prosecutors investigated Dems and found no grounds for prosecution, yet found Republicans who were extremely corrupt. In other words, these people were FIRED FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

    It's astonishing that people who claim to be so preoccupied with morality would be so quick to abandon any semblance of morality for political ends.

    You're like whiney little kids. You saw one kid shoplift a candy bar and instead of going to jail, he was sent home to his parents. So you decided you could rob a bank at gunpoint, and cry "foul" that, once caught, you're not simply being sent home as well.

    Pathetic, really.
  10. Big Brother by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    medreport 3.12.06 reporting gw globalwarming doubleplusungood refs unthings rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

  11. Re:Hmmm... by Onan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not with Americans--you'll note that somewhere in the neighborhood of 78% of them are displeased with George II. The problem, I'm afraid, is a number of traits of the American electoral system.

    1) Plurality voting (and stacked plurality voting, even worse) essentially guarantees having only two parties, and that those two parties will actually be very structurally similar to one another. Of necessity, the two parties differ only minorly on a few of their positions, and any third party cannot be adequately served by the electoral system. Third-party candidates in fact act only as spoilers for the major-party candidate who is closer to their positions, and thus there is a strong disincentive for them to even try.

    2) Gerrymandering has successfully been used to turn the overwhelming majority of legislative positions into "safe seats". ie, that that party which will win that seat is absolutely certain. This means that the only real election of significance is the primary that will choose the particular member of that party who gets the seat. Given that primaries are voted in only by members of that party, this means that the most extreme and partisan candidates are the ones who have the greatest chance of success.

    3) Legislation that passes with 50%+1 of congressional support is exactly as much a law as legislation that passes with 100% support. This, unfortunately, incentivises those two parties being an intentionally divisive as possible. Reaching across the aisle and finding compromises does not strengthen your bill, it only weakens your ability to campaign as an extremist next time around. Legislation is therefore frequently given radioactive riders that make it intentionally diffcult for members of the opposing party to support it. For example, the bill that created the Department of Homeland Security was intentionally saddled with some aggressive union-busting provisions, to discourage Democrat legislators from voting for it; this allowed Republicans to brand Democrats as anti-security, and served their purposes far better than actual bipartisan cooperation would have.

    Unfortuately, changing these fairly fundamental structural things about the American electoral and legislative systems would require action by exactly the set of people who have figured out how to profit from the current broken systems. So we're deadlocked.

  12. Re:You forgot to mention Bush three times... by bfields · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The current candidate is criticized because he called homosexual intercourse unhealthy and unnatural. Excuse me, but are there any reproductive structures in the anus?

    Erm.

    1. Two men can have sex without having anal sex.
    2. Heterosexual couples can have anal sex.
    3. Anal sex isn't necessarily unhealthy.
    4. Sexual practices that don't involve "reproductive structures" aren't necessarily unhealthy.
    5. Sexual practices that don't lead to reproduction aren't necessarily unhealthy.

    (And I don't even know what's meant by "unnatural" here--that's not the sort of word that would make sense in a scientific hypothesis. If you mean "occurs in nature"--since when are people not part of nature? Or is it just homosexuals that aren't part of nature? (That'd be circular reasoning if I've ever heard any.) And if by "natural" you mean "occurs in animals other than humans"--lots of other animals have homosexual sex.)

    So, yes, the statement that "homosexual intercourse" is "unhealthy and unnatural" suggests someone that puts their personal prejudices ahead of any sort of clear-headed thinking about health.