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Matrox's Extio Reviewed

An anonymous reader writes "Looks like Matrox isn't as dead as some of us thought. This box of tricks lets you connect four displays up to a PC that's 250 meters away. All the graphic data is sent down a fiber optic cable to the Matrox box that then connects to the screens. To the end user it feels like they're working directly on the PC, but the PC can be locked away somewhere safe."

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  1. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by slincolne · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A nice, quiet, mediawall without the bulk of the PC's to get in the way.

    These would be so cool for demonstrations and conventions.

    I wonder how many of these cards you could fit in a single computer ?

    1. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      These would be so cool for demonstrations and conventions. I wonder how many of these cards you could fit in a single computer ?

      ... one.

    2. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by muffen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We've been using KVM Extenders for years, so when we get into the office we put our laptops in the serverroom, and via the KVM extender we can work in a different room. No noise, and the computers are kept cool all the time.

      This was initially done for security reasons, and the first KVM Extenders we had couldn't forward sound or USB, but nowadays it's not a problem at all, and it's all done over cat5 cables.

    3. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by eht · · Score: 2

      And it isn't like laptops are that loud, and what about meetings? Do they have a full blown KVM extender setup in all their conference rooms?

    4. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh great, now I have to walk 250 meters every time the damn thing crashes! Do you have any idea what a strain this will put on us fat programmers?!?!

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    5. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't know why this has been modded insightful. Regardless of where the laptops are physically they would probably be connected to the same network or subnet anyway. It's not like where a PC is physically located has any bearing on what network you would connect it to nowadays.

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    6. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but who is allowed to carry laptops vs who is allowed to enter the server room?

      Are the people carrying laptops really going to wait for the poor "server room" person to carry their laptops in and hook them up?

      After all he did say it's "for security reasons".

      I'd just let people use their laptops wherever they are on a separate network, turn on various security stuff on the switches etc.

      Plus if I were in Sales or some other not-IT dept, I wouldn't even want me or stuff assigned to me to have been in the server room and risk even being blamed for bad stuff happening in the server room.

      Imagine if the Sony batteries in a laptop blew up while it was in the server room.

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    7. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by TobyWong · · Score: 2, Funny

      Osmosis

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    8. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these by ozbird · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hate to say it, but this is probably an example where running Windows would be a good thing. Feel the burn!

  2. Math problem nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given the matrox [[1,2],[3,4]], compute the matrox's extio.

  3. Uhm... by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like Matrox isn't as dead as some of us thought.

    When was Matrox dead ffs? When Seagate bought them, they were one of the top HDD brands (well, for commodity OEM drives, if not known for amazing quality).

    The fact that half of Matrox's utilities are producing Seagate brand drives doesn't make them dead, does it.

    1. Re:Uhm... by niceone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yea, laugh at me :( "He mixed up Maxtor with Matrox. Idiot!" I deserve it.

      Yeah, mod GP so that more people can laugh at him! Anyway, what's a Men's magazine doing producing fibre-optic monitor extenders?

    2. Re:Uhm... by Loligo · · Score: 5, Funny

      >Anyway, what's a Men's magazine doing producing fibre-optic monitor extenders?

      Silly me, I was sitting here wondering if he meant the first Maxtor, Reloaded, or Revolution...

        -l

    3. Re:Uhm... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It takes a big man to admit that he made a mistake.

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  4. Matrox never went away by _merlin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Matrox never went away completely - they just left the consumer market. They still sell cipsets for connecting very large numbers of monitors to computers. Dual-head is nothing to them - they do eight- and even sixteen-head chipsets. They don't handle games well, but it you just want lots of displays...

    This product doesn't look suited to the consumer market, either. It looks like a solution for airport terminals or something - hide away a PC with one of their multi-head video cards and use this to carry the video to where you want people to see it.

    1. Re:Matrox never went away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are in the "Industrial Market", machine vision, etc.
      I see their ads in Advanced Imaging Magazine all the time.
      http://www.advancedimagingpro.com/

    2. Re:Matrox never went away by value_added · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This product doesn't look suited to the consumer market, either.

      Indeed, the article quotes the price to be as reviewed £1,645.00 (Inc VAT). That's a chunk of change, to be sure.

      My own solution (to cut a hole through two adjoining rooms) produces similar results, but is far less elegant. I'd be interested in such a device. Or, put another way, it may be that the limited consumer market includes people concerned about noise, clutter and peace of mind (like me), in addition to any number of other subgroups, like those into music recording or production. In my day, that last group included just about everyone under 18 with a part-time job.

    3. Re:Matrox never went away by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're from Montreal, what did you expect?

      Kidding aside, I left Matrox after G450, they knew they couldn't compete in the consumer-priced 3D market (nVidia just spent too much money and ATI went chasing nVidia). It was sad to see them go.

      They seem to know their market, it's just not you that's in it.

  5. That's good.... by RuBLed · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is good that the pc be installed somewhere safe, it would provide a more physical protection for the box itself although I'm not sure of the data.. But I find this ironic...

    This is where Matrox comes in with the Extio, which offers secure remote access, complete with multi-screen display options. The Extio itself is a small metal box that sits on your desk


    Now we got more than $1K of equipment sitting on the desk... (according to the price on the article)
  6. Re:Interesting idea but nonstandard by paimin · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was hoping to read about a new standard monitor connection that replaces DVI (and HDMI) with fiber. That already exists.
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  7. Didn't I see this in... by jimmydevice · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought IBM did this back in 1970 with twinax. I know I did this with coax for a good 500 feet in 1998 (it was a demo at a airport). Why is this news and why would you need to do this now? Is display hardware, wireless or local fiber networking that expensive that you need to buy a 10 year old solution to solve your ill planned design?

    1. Re:Didn't I see this in... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought IBM did this back in 1970 with twinax.

      What was the resolution on that twinax? Did it do 1920x1200 times 4 (source: product info page)? Have the equivalent of 6 USB 2.0 ports? Support digital sound transport? Work on commodity hardware?

      Remote displays have been around for quite a while, but this is the modern incarnation of it. I'm not going to turn town a terabyte SATA drive just because I used a DEC with hard drives in the 70s.

      Why is this news

      Because most of us (myself included) didn't know that such a thing existed until we read this story.

      and why would you need to do this now?

      For the same reason IBM did it in 1970: so you can use a computer without sitting right next to it.

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  8. Optical Elegance by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How elegant it seems to me, sending visual information in packets of light. It reminds me of seeds of some beautiful flower which instantly sprout when planted.

    I wonder, if one were to send a one minute stream of uncompressed video data, would more photons be required for the transmission over the fiber, or in the final display to the user/viewer?

    1. Re:Optical Elegance by Jbcarpen · · Score: 2, Informative
      You're right, but for the wrong reason.

      I wonder, if one were to send a one minute stream of uncompressed video data, would more photons be required for the transmission over the fiber, or in the final display to the user/viewer?
      Given that, I would have to say that while the difference is still going to be several orders of magnitude, it won't be for the reason you stated. Rather, it will be because fiber is VERY focused and as such can get away with much lower levels of light, a display on the other hand, needs to spray photons in every direction. 1/r^2 light dissipation gets huge really quickly.
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    2. Re:Optical Elegance by cybereal · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder, if one were to send a one minute stream of uncompressed video data, would more photons be required for the transmission over the fiber, or in the final display to the user/viewer?

      But, the real question is if these cables ran under water could we consider each packet a photon torpedo?

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  9. From the article by lewko · · Score: 3, Informative

    Recording studios for example could use high powered PCs without having to put up with the constant drone of cooling fans - an Extio installation would give you all the power of a high-end workstation, while the noisy hardware whirs away in a soundproof room in another part of the building.

    As opposed to say putting the artists in a soundproof room, and the recording and PC gear in a control room.
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    1. Re:From the article by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about we just put Justin Timberlake in a sound proof, airtight room and forget to open it back up?

    2. Re:From the article by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      how is this better then just using terminals?

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    3. Re:From the article by TheSciBoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Using a terminal, the data would still have to go from the server to the client to be displayed. For an MRI or somesuch device, this would be a huge amount of data, requiring the terminal to be quite powerful in itself (needing hard-drive and everything). Using this system, that is not necessary. I think any sysadmin will tell you that the fewer computers he/she has to admin, the better.

      The application for this device is not crystal clear, a lot of the time a terminal would be an equally good (and probably cheaper) choice.

      In my opinion, they will have a killer app if they can externalize the PCIE interface this way completely, allowing me to put any graphics card in the box and thereby create a mini-game-system with a maxi-server elsewhere where it can make all the hard-drive and DVD-drive noises it likes.

      Then again, isn't it the graphics card that makes the most noise these days? Maybe it's not as killer as I would like to think. :)

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    4. Re:From the article by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about we just put Justin Timberlake in a sound proof, airtight room and forget to open it back up?

      Would that be a dick in a box?

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  10. From the article by TheSciBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A system administrator could however, limit the devices that can use the USB ports, or simply disable write access, so that no data can be removed from the host. If a company is really paranoid about its staff though (and if it is, you have to wonder why it hired them in the first place), you could simply put the Extio in a locking cage that prevents access to any of the ports. A bit excessive one might say, but if you're data really is that sensitive, perhaps quite prudent.

    As per parents parent, this device is more like $2000 but the point is that if the ebove advice is followed, the data is safe. This seems like a worthwhile device for medical companies or other IP-heavy industries where the data is worth millions.

    It is also much smaller and neater than buying a lot of computers to do the same job. And with several computers driving a display each or something like that, you'd be hard pressed to make them behave as one desktop.

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  11. Re:I totally need this! by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of forking over 1200 quid for the card, take 300 of those to get a good card and use the other 900 (or less) to make the computer silent. It is possible to create a computer that doesn't generate much (audible) noise. You gotta take the right components (like, avoid those CPU fans that resemble starting jets), and you might have to make a few compromises, but it's quite possible. And it needn't mean you're taking a slower machine.

    Just make sure you connect that power led. I forgot it, and that's a serious problem with my crate. I don't hear whether it's on or off...

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  12. Marketing department alive and kicking by valderievaldera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Matrox being dead or not dead, whatever some of us thought, at least Matrox's marketing department is able to make excellent use of the powerful /. publicity-tool "post [your product name here] as an anonymous coward".

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  13. Consumer version, please!! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Finally, a company makes a product that I've been crying out for since ages ago. Now there just needs to be a consumer version of this video+USB-over-fibler protocol. It should, however work this way: the graphics processing should be done at the machine, and the fiber optics cable should just carry the video signal. If a 20 meter cable and a fiber-to-DVI+USB junction cost, say, $150 (not unrealistic), it could kick off the next mass revolution in home computing, where the computer itself becomes an appliance like a water heater.

    Here's what I'm pictuing: People spend tons of money to make their computer quiet and well-cooled. But if the thing lived in the cold basement, they could bolt in cheap gigantic fans and disturb noone. But here's the kicker: The basement computer would be a multi-user system, where all the users of the household (including, for example, the living room display) would be using the same system simultaneously. Their rooms would contain displays and input devices only, wired in by fiber. Even if that happens, they're unlikely to get in each others' way, since by then these things will have at least 16 processor cores for them to share. But it means that if a single user needs to do something processor-intensive, she'll have the power of a pretty serious 16-core machine behind her, while the kids browsing myspace from the same computer (but on a different display) won't even notice.

    3D GPUs are also about to go seriously multicore, and resource division on those will be easier than it is with CPUs. So if there are two gamers in the house, they could share a powerful multicore card and get acceptable performance. But if only one of them is playing, he can hog the resources of all the cores, and turn everything up to eleven.

    This paradigm of the basement computing appliance could revolutionize the way hardware is made and marketed. Multisocket motherboards for the mass market could easily become common, but I'm picturing also a system of arbitrary daughterboards with extra processing units, which will speed up the system without forcing the owner to scrap things. Sure it will become a giant lego-like mess that sounds like a jet, but that's OK. It's in the basement (and will by then hopefully have sane power management which will turn off absolutely every part of every chip which isn't being used).

    My point is that normal households with multiple computers today duplicate a lot of resources which go wasted, since single user has the opportunity to use them all simultaneously. The way to fix that is to pool all the household's processing into a single, big, arbitrarily extensible machine which stays out of people's way. And for that, we need a good long-run digital video over fiber standard. And maybe, with all the excess heat these things will put off, they really could double as the hot water heater!

  14. Re:Other solutions by kenh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    THe bandwidth of this unit far exceeds anything you could do with wireless - four 1920x1200 digital displays, keyboard, mouse, audio, and USB ports over fiber...

    This unit is designed and PERFECT for financial "turrets" where traders have up to four screens on their desk at one time... This solution allows them to get the computer hardware out of the turret, allowing them to pack more traders in a given space.

    This isn't for the home market, even the home "enthusiast" market, nor even the insane, "gotta have it" home market - this is for certain users with very specific needs where cost isn't really an object...

    As for the price, this unit includes the four port video card, that helps explain some of the cost (for example this Matrox card is $750 and provides 4 video outputs...

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  15. Re:An Ideal use for these is... by kenh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly - even though this only displaces a single PC, you can make that PC quite powerful, and even a 1U rackmount server ot blade (with requisite PCIe 1x slot available) could provide a very dense solution. If a blade dies, move the fiber connection to a live blade, and you're back up in minutes.

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  16. Silent PC users rejoice by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have a friend who damaged her ear in an accident and simply can't tolerate any level of white noise or background humming. Her and her husband have gone so far as to build onto their house and concentrate all of the noisy appliances into the new section so that the rest of the house can be silent. When they visit our house, we unplug the refrigerator while they're around.

    When I tell her husband about this, he will place an order within the hour. They've had a hard time getting a silent PC that's quiet enough (yes, her ear is really that damaged) but still reasonably nice, and I'm certain they'd rather have a high-end, powerful PC that can sit in the "noisy part" of the house and still be absolutely silent at her desk.

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  17. Re:The grandparent has it right by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was no 'commodity hardware' in the seventies.

    Exactly my point. You had to pony up some series cash to get into such a system back then.

    You can find lots of stuff on multiple screens by just googling.

    Multiple remote screens with all that functionality?

    A dumb terminal replaces the Matrox hardware for much cheaper.

    Lots of people don't want dumb terminals. They want nice fat systems for whatever reason. This gives them that option.

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  18. I've seen these in action by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Informative

    I support an energy trade floor and got to demo the beta of the Extio over a year ago. We currently have a mixed environment where every trader has a laptop and a blade that resides in our server room. The big plus for us with this device is it turned the laptops into 4 monitor blades because you can connect to it via an expresscard slot. I can say that the blades which push an Nvidia Quadro over cat5 is always washed out whereas the Extio looked very crisp and clear.

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  19. i had a similar requirement by LifesABeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A while back, I had a requirement were having 3 to 5 monitors up showing data, analysis, and results all LIVE would speed up results. Matrox looked like the product that would do the job. I looked at the Matrox solution, and found my bank account wanting. So I looked at what Debian/Knoppix/Ubuntu offered. The result is a multi-monitor graphics machine for the price of a single Matrox card; Good product, I just can not afford it.

  20. Re:Ah, yes Matrox. by Slashcrap · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I swore off Matrox in 1995 after spending $400 on a card, all to find out there was no way to get X running in more than 16 color mode without spending several hundred more dollars on Accelerated-X licenses at the time.

    You got X running with 4bit colour in 1995 and you're complaining?

    That's a bit harsh. It's not like it was the only card at the time that was a nightmare to get running.

    Complaining about shitty X drivers for ATI cards in 2007 is fine. Complaining about shitty X drivers for Matrox cards in 1995 not quite the same. Especially when anyone running an alternative OS at that time should have done their research before spending $400.