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Kids Say Email is Dead

An anonymous reader writes "'E-mail is, like, soooo dead' is the headline at News.com, where a piece looks at youth attitudes towards communication mediums. A group of teenage internet business entrepreneurs confessed that they really only use email to 'talk to adults'. Primarily, these folks are using social networks to communicate. 'More and more, social networks are playing a bigger role on the cell phone. In the last six to nine months, teens in the United States have taken to text messaging in numbers that rival usage in Europe and Asia. According to market research firm JupiterResearch, 80 percent of teens with cell phones regularly use text messaging. Catherine Cook, the 17-year-old founder and president of MyYearbook.com, was the lone teen entrepreneur who said she still uses e-mail regularly to keep up with camp friends or business relationships. Still, that usage pales in comparison to her habit of text messaging. She said she sends a thousand text messages a month.'"

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  1. muggles still use e-mail, mail, phones, etc. by yagu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This only says what youth does, not what they'll use as adults. I'm guessing for more durable and more effective communications the youth of today will opt for something more substantial than "c u 2nit".

    Youth today do what they do because it's there, not because it's going to replace traditional communications.

    When "we" were young, we passed notes on pieces of paper. The girls passed messages by lip-reading (never understood how they were so good at that). I never saw any articles predicting "note passing", and lip-reading becoming the protocol de jour. If we'd had text messaging, we'd have done it too.

    Consider from the article:

    "I only use e-mail for my business and to get sponsors," Martina Butler
    That seems to contradict the main thesis of the article. Basically, for important things like business and/or sponsors Martina uses e-mail? The e-mail is not dead, or as the article claims like, soooo dead.

    Text messaging, social web sites serve a purpose, not replace one. (This is akin the predictions recently "laptops to replace desktops".)

    Critical thought, thorough discussion, deep understanding -- none are much served by the text messaging medium. (e-mail doesn't do much for them either.)

    They "only use e-mail to 'talk to adults'". They'll use e-mail and more traditional forms of communication when they become adults. It doesn't mean they'll stop using the text messaging and other forms, it just means they'll need the more traditional forms.

    i cld b wrng. i hope im not.

    1. Re:muggles still use e-mail, mail, phones, etc. by Divebus · · Score: 4, Funny

      using000c

      ?

      Data error on transmission: "I stopped using it"

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    2. Re:muggles still use e-mail, mail, phones, etc. by Doogie5526 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the thing the drives me nuts about all the social network messaging and whatnot. I've had friends say "I'll myspace you (something)." and I'd wonder why they couldn't just email it. Hell, myspace (and others) just send you an email to tell you that you have a private message. It makes things harder to search through (was that a myspace message, facebook message, forum pm, or email?). I can understand using it to keep your email addy private, but it shouldn't replace email, especially when there's no additional benefits.

    3. Re:muggles still use e-mail, mail, phones, etc. by beyondkaoru · · Score: 4, Informative

      connecting through ssl doesn't make email more secure; it can be messed with by your mailserver, the mailserver of whoever you're talking to, or anyone in between those. the usefulness of ssl or ssh is that it is more difficult for me to read/modify your mail/password (i have to hack a server as opposed to optionally controlling a router).

      gpg really is what makes it secure. still, ssl is a plus. strangely gmail defaults to having it off... weird. and they don't do imap, which makes me sad.

      but anyway, the whole social network thing largely exists so that the owners of those servers get to read your messages -- and let future employers, etc, read them too, for a fee. and they don't really do much that people couldn't set up on their own (like, have everyone make an rss feed of their life and aggregate it, is an example).

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    4. Re:muggles still use e-mail, mail, phones, etc. by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On one level yes. Although it means you have to trust the carrier not to go snooping.

      Personally I just use MSN & Jabber for stuff now. My inboxes are spam ridden hellholes, and its just not worth it.

      I actually do think Email's days are numbered. But thats not because of social networking. Its because of fucking spammers. Getting 600+ emails a day *AFTER* its been purged by spamassassin aint fun (I turned it off once and got nearly 2000 emails a day in the inbox. Granted its a 10 year old email address.

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  2. More useful for "kids" by Brad1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When all these kids get in the real world and have more important things to do than pay constant/immediate attention to the cell phone's IM's it won't be so "cool" and useful. An intelligent communication can be handled a lot better through an E-mail (or phone call or in person) than IM'ing.

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    1. Re:More useful for "kids" by amstrad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Holy crap! You haven't been around very many middle management types with their crackberries, have you?

    2. Re:More useful for "kids" by daeg · · Score: 5, Funny

      I already shudder at any group in my company hiring anyone under 25, and I'm under 25! I can't imagine relying on teenagers as a labor source (grocery stores, restaurants, etc). Even the interns we get from a very well-to-do private school are, in terms of professionalism, socially retarded. I've had to filter and lock down their e-mail and other communications from them to our clients because their messages are full of misspellings, wrong words, "u" instead of "you", and bad structure altogether. How do you misspell "their" with Outlook? I have to TRY to misspell it and even then it isn't easy.

    3. Re:More useful for "kids" by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They will just float from CEO job to CEO job.

      What, CEO of their mom's basement? A "social network" is next to useless for building professional contacts if it's just full of other dumbass teenagers texting OMG WTF BBQ at each other all day.

    4. Re:More useful for "kids" by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 5, Funny

      He said 'intelligent communications' and you responded about 'middle management types.'

      Please parse for errors.

  3. Not if today's kids are like I was. by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about you guys but when ten years ago when I was fourteen, e-mail was dead too. Initially, I used to use Web based IM clients to talk to my friends quickly followed by ICQ and and even later MSN.

    I only started using e-mail when my group of friends started working full time. I think the reason for this is that e-mail is mostly open at work because it's required for the business. Moreover, employers don't really care if you e-mail your friends from your account, provided you're not taking the piss. In contrast, browsing social networking sites from work can get you sacked.

    In short, there's nothing new here. I think the youngsters of today will follow the same path as I did ten years ago; they will adopt e-mail when their circle of friends grow-up and go to work.

    Simon

    1. Re:Not if today's kids are like I was. by nacturation · · Score: 4, Informative

      Moreover, employers don't really care if you e-mail your friends from your account, provided you're not taking the piss. In contrast, browsing social networking sites from work can get you sacked. Strange policy your employer has. I've never sent a personal email from my company account, nor have I ever made a personal phone call from a company phone. Unless I've given them a business card, my friends and family don't even know how to contact me at work. And why should they? I have a cell phone for personal calls and I use gmail for personal email. Do you really want your personal emails archived along with every other corporate email in perpetuity? So the next time the company is issued a court order to produce a log of emails, all your personal junk is in there too and made public record for anyone to see?
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    2. Re:Not if today's kids are like I was. by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Strange policy your employer has. I've never sent a personal email from my company account, nor have I ever made a personal phone call from a company phone. Unless I've given them a business card, my friends and family don't even know how to contact me at work. And why should they?


      I dunno... in case of emergency? Maybe if your cell phone is not getting a signal, is misplaced, or is uncharged?

      I have a cell phone for personal calls


      So what difference does it make whether you get a personal call on your cell phone or your desk phone? Either way you're taking/making a personal call on company time. Seems like a pretty arbitrary distinction to me.

      What if your cell phone is paid for by your company? Do you just not get any personal calls except for at home? Would you own two different cell phones?

      Do you really want your personal emails archived along with every other corporate email in perpetuity?


      Well, I'm not going to be passing love notes on the corporate email. Besides those types of messages, why not? What do I care?

      So the next time the company is issued a court order to produce a log of emails, all your personal junk is in there too and made public record for anyone to see?


      Dude, if there's a court order to see my corporate email, I'm going to have bigger things to worry about than having some boring personal messages go public. :-P

      -matthew

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  4. email IS text messaging by jdogalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So people are using _different clients_ to send their ascii messages.

    whatever...

  5. Well duh by Tarlus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Teenage Social Agenda != Professional Business Applications

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  6. So what they are saying... by mojowantshappy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is soon I'll be using myspace to update my boss on my TPS reports?

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    1. Re:So what they are saying... by the_tsi · · Score: 5, Funny

      plz use cvr sheet 4 tps, also need u @ ofc sat

  7. email is as dead as by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    radio (not dead)
    television (not dead)
    the newspaper (not dead)
    the cinema house (very not dead)

    etc.

    no form of mass communication ever dies, it just moves out of the limelight. and then it's called "dead" by people wishing to make a melodrama out of the evolution of media

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    1. Re:email is as dead as by 808140 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Physical mail is most certainly not "almost dead". Just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't; I frequently correspond with people I know, especially abroad, via snail mail. Have you ever gotten a hand-written letter from a friend? It's great.

      Plus, snail mail will continue to be used for packages and anything else that requires actual shipping of something concrete, not just information. Which means that the infrastructure to mail letters will continue to exist until we have replicators. It is therefore highly probable that people will continue to write letters, even if their number is much reduced from the practice's heyday in the late 19th/early 20th century. It therefore follows that it will never be "dead", at least not by any strict definition of the term.

      I think the OP hit the nail right on the head -- these things do not die, they simply leave the limelight. E-mail was at one time hot technology -- it has since become commonplace, and its ubiquity makes it boring to the teenager, who thrives on the new and exciting. The same will likely happen with social networks, which are in actuality just a user-friendly implementation of the web-of-trust or reputation metric that has existed in cryptographic circles for some time now. The technology will eventually become relatively mainstream; it will find its niche and then it too will fade from the limelight.

      Relatively few promising or important technologies have become so uncommon that they could reasonably be considered "dead". Among these I count gopher, but its most salient features were absorbed by the world wide web, and so it did not really die so much as evolve. Dial-up BBSs, likewise, are dead in the sense that the ones that exist exist only for the sake of nostalgia -- but again, the internet has largely replaced their functionality, and the problems they were created to solve are better solved by internet anyway. Proprietary pre-internets, like CompuServ, GEnie, and Prodigy are also dead, for the same reason, although they were once very common.

      I think Myspace, Facebook, and its predecessors -- many now defunct -- are the social networking equivalent of CompuServ and its ilk. They are centralized, proprietary and incompatible implementations of what essentially amounts to the same basic concept -- a web of trust. While people here on Slashdot often lambaste todays young people for not understanding the importance of privacy, I think the vast majority of them are attracted to services like Facebook precisely because they do value their privacy. People want to share their pictures, want to share their experiences -- but they don't want to do it with everyone on the internet, as we used to with our HTML 3.2 homepages, back when the internet was a safer place.

      The web of trust concept provides a perfect system to deal with this problem, as cryptography geeks have been saying for years. Current social networks divide people into friends and non-friends, and they use these distinctions to control what parts of their little chunk of the internet people have access to. It's no surprise to me at all that they prefer this managed approach to the classic "make a web page for everyone to read" approach.

      Going forward, I fully expect an open, social networking "protocol" to emerge that allows people to incorporate such distinctions into their own websites without being part of a Facebook or Myspace site. It may be that the open standard takes precedence quickly, as e-mail did, or slowly, as has been the case with IM, but as soon as a technology becomes truly mainstream, interoperability becomes too important and corporate distrust too great to allow any one company to monopolize the field.

  8. As a college instructor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I see this all the time. My take on it: younger people are in a hurry for response. They want immediate replies. But adults (as will these teens eventually) live in a different world, where the speed of response is part of the value but the message itself is important, too. I have to train my students to understand that leaving an email message for me will always result in a response, even if it is a little later, while IM may not.

    From another perspective, MySpace and Facebook have messaging features which are simply email in a different form (posting to the web site). I am still at a loss to understand why posting a message on a web site (with the exception of group communication) is more beneficial than sending an email.

  9. "Teenage Internet Business Entreprenuers" by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, that's sure to cut you a better than fair sampling of the "youth culture."

    And in a related story, a survey of classically-trained teenaged cellists has determined that young people are listening to less hip-hop and have begun to prefer champagne to beer.

    Now, how do I text-message "GET OFF OF MY LAWN" ? Anybody...?

  10. Summary: Email is dead... by cromar · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Long live email.

    P.S. I wish face-to-face speech would die. I hate my coworkers.

  11. Re:Article is HORSE TURDS. About as bad as DIGG no by aichpvee · · Score: 5, Funny

    So he'll have a terrible article to repost tomorrow.

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  12. Re:Kids say the darnest things... by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think in full sentences?

    Well, there's your problem, right there.

    This is a cognitive issue. Kids can't/won't string together solid thoughts, aren't entertained by people that do, and aren't rewarded for trying to do so themselves. Of course they can't imagine doing boring, old-people stuff like learning to use tools that are built around a more verbose (and demanding, and useful) form of communication. GOML!

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  13. As an 18 year old, I notice the reason people SMS by ZakuSage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Primarily, it's because they want to talk when they're at work, in school, or on the go, but the vast majority of them can't afford a Blackberry.

  14. Relevance by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't give you an educated response because I'm texting my BFF Jill.

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  15. "Email is sooo dead", the kids say... by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... until they have to send their first resumé and cover letter :)

    On a more serious note, I have just been sucked into the wonderful/scary world of Facebook, and I must say, wow. I knew people liked to reinvent the wheel all the time, but what's with this new thing of "writing" on each other's "wall" instead of just sending emails? What was wrong with emails in the first place? I mean, I can see the attraction of writing fun things on these "walls", but many go much beyond that and use it to organize meetings, leave their phone numbers, addresses, and whereabouts for the next 3 weeks, for the recipient, but also everyone else to see.

    So either this generation does not realize what it's doing (basically posting their contact details while broadcasting their private lives on teh internets), or it doesn't care at all about that thing called privacy.

    I haven't even reached 30, and I already feel like I'm getting old :)

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  16. IM is annoying by Cthefuture · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Over time I think these kids will learn that in the real world where you're trying to get work done, IM is annoying as hell. It's like having someone call you on the phone every few seconds. No thanks.

    E-mail, web forums, and other "delayed" forms of communication are so much better for almost everything.

    IM is really only a substitute for the phone. And then only when it makes sense, like to save money on long distance or when you need to be quiet.

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  17. Re:Real Reason Kids Use Text Messaging... by PachmanP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well actually they're talking about you.

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  18. Stop the press by nagora · · Score: 5, Funny

    Teenagers shallow and faddish. Details at 11.

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  19. Because of spam? by FridayBob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Earlier this year, I discussed this matter with a 16-year-old girl. She said she preferred IM (MSN) over SMTP, because any email account she used would quickly get overloaded with spam. Many of us have different ways of dealing with that problem, but her solution was simply to never use the same email account for too long if she had to use it, and preferably not to use it at all. I suspect that this is not the only reason why she and her friends don't like to use email, but by itself spam seems like a valid complaint.

  20. Re:Kids say the darnest things... by hmccabe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kids can't/won't string together solid thoughts

    It's true!

  21. You young whippersnappers!!!! by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is pretty far down for a reply but I've got to post this...

    My great grandmother passed down an old photograph book containing postcards she had received (we're talking circa 1900's) to my grandmother who, in turn, passed it to my mother who, in turn, was about to throw it in the garbage when I intercepted it (Being the family geek/tech/now digital archivist)

    They were 1 cent postcards containing one or two sentence messages addressed from my grandmother and her sisters to family relations the next state over.

    Or so I thought... the messages were your standard high-school girl talk along the lines of "I went out to the after-game dance with so and so last night, looking forward to seeing you this weekend." From the postcards it seemed like they saw each other every week. Not a big deal until you consider that transportation consisted of horse, buggy and train so no family was going to make a weekly journey by train unless they were rich (whoo-hoo!) Until I remembered that my family wasn't (D'oh!)

    A little more research and I realized they weren't in different states, they were in neighboring towns (long since absorbed into greater cities), no phones were arount yet so I was looking at the early 20th century equivalent of...

    text messaging.

    And my great-grandmother, in her nostalgia, had collected all the messages they had received from her sisters and cousins and saved them in this album.

    Kind of unfortunate that we won't be able to keep the same for our great grandkids (and thus omg! cnt w8 2cu 2nit @ cncrt! lol! will be lost to the centuries...)

  22. You forgot the best part by emkman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Building on your great joke:
    plz use cvr sheet 4 tps, also need u @ ofc sat TBG

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  23. But there ARE additional benefits! by raehl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    especially when there's no additional benefits.

    What you're missing is that social network messaging solves THE problem that email has. You know who sent you the message. And barrier to spam is higher than with email.

    Lots of other email-like functionality is missing, but the authentication issue (sender and receiver have authenticated themselves to a third party) has been fixed.