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Microsoft Reinvents Bittorrent

Anon E. Muss writes "Microsoft has a new Secure Content Downloader tool that sounds an awful lot like a Bittorrent clone. It's described as a 'peer-assisted technology' where '[e]ach client downloads content by exchanging parts of the file they're interested in with other clients, in addition to downloading parts from the server.' Right now MSCD is just a time-limited preview, intended to support downloads of select Microsoft beta releases (e.g. Visual Studio 2008). If this test goes well, Microsoft will probably start using MSCD for all their large downloads. How do you feel about subsidizing Microsoft's bandwidth costs?"

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  1. bllizard, wow patcher by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People have no problem with this and blizzard. Expect the double standard to kick in in 3.. 2.. 1..

    1. Re:bllizard, wow patcher by cromar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I work 40 hours a week doing .NET programming. The reason a lot of people hear dislike Microsoft is because of their horrible track record of stifling innovation, using their monopoly to crush opposition, and consistently releasing inferior products after their announced release date is long past. And that's merely the tip of the iceberg.

    2. Re:bllizard, wow patcher by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd have no problem with MS *using* bittorrent either. Unfortunately MS is claiming this is their own home grown technology that they invented.

      I surely hope Bram Cohen patented his little invention...

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    3. Re:bllizard, wow patcher by Wildclaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like the real problem you are having is with your ISP and not with blizzard. Only evil packet (protocol) shaping would prevent you from downloading a mere 4 MB file in a few minutes, even if you aren't uploading anything. Fortunally blizzard has alternative ways of downloading patches, but it really shouldn't be nescessary. Bittorrent is not much different than a http/ftp download, except that it is also possible for clients to exchange parts of the file/files between themselves when the server is overloaded.

      This is why real net neutrality is so important (and I am talking about real net neutrality, not the fake one that some are advocating that still allows packet shaping).

  2. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will show that p2p/torrents have a legal use.

    1. Re:Good for them by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, more likely, Microsoft will try to spin it such that it looks like Bittorrent == evil pirates whereas MSCD == fair and honest distribution system.

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    2. Re:Good for them by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well at my last job, I wasn't allowed to install BitTorrent to download Linux ISOs because the more senior admins brought the FUD and said it's the same a Napster and all the other P2P clients. I argued that it was a protocol akin to FTP and it fell on deaf ears. I'm sure they will have no issues with this since it's officially sanctioned by Microsoft. SysAdmins can be just as bad as the PHBs.

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  3. no surprise by botkiller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft, ripping off your ideas since the 80's, then repackaging them with prettier colors.

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    1. Re:no surprise by Nero+Nimbus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "prettier colors" part is highly debatable.

  4. Flamebait much? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Wow. This is the worst kind of pandering.

    BitTorrent didn't invent P2P. And the idea is used by many other applications including games. The last article with a premise this ridiculous I've seen was the "Hotmail drops 98.88% of all attachments, MS to be broken up and fined $10 billion dollars for fraud!" article.

    Seriously, what is the point of this nonsense article, just to get the groupthink all riled up?

    1. Re:Flamebait much? by rm999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, the comment "How do you feel about subsidizing Microsoft's bandwidth costs?" is ridiculous. Yes, I know Slashdot is a biased source, but when they make it that blatant I get really annoyed.

      No one is forcing anyone to use this p2p technology. If you have something against it, just don't download things from Microsoft. Common sense...

  5. Typical anti-MS /. bias by EvanED · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do you feel about subsidizing Microsoft's bandwidth costs?

    Exactly how many articles has /. run on BT before? 47 thousand? And how many have had a comment like this? Zero?

  6. Better download integrity, yes please. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Since I downloaded the last MSDN library no less than 9 times and each time got a corrupted file (yes, a 1.9GB corrupted file), I would have welcomed an official MS P2P download route - one of the more useful feature of BitTorrent on large files is that each chunk is hashed, and thus has good integrity.

    Instead, there was just an MD5 checksum buried in the small print on the page, which is no help at all. The checksum validation in the install routine can detect that the archive is corrupted. Ok, it's nice to be able to tell if you got a pirate zombie MSDN library (presumably with some pages containing subtle advice on how to implement code with security holes - now we know why Windows is so insecure....) But what I really needed was a download protocol that provides for more error correction than HTTP.

    Go, I say. Even if everyone disables the ability to upload, and all the data still comes from MS, it's still an improvement.

  7. Microsoft Reinvents Bittorrent by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > How do you feel about subsidizing Microsoft's bandwidth costs?

    It's good that they are using their own protocol. That way those who have no use for anything from Microsoft will be in no danger of inadvertently doing them a favor.

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  8. Re:Three things about your "double standard" by jorghis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And what on earth does that have to do with the issue at hand? They are coming out with their thing here, they arent "Embracing" bittorrent. It always amazed me how people will use the whole embrace extend extinguish thing when they are talking about a new MS product. Embrace, extend, and extinguish is meant to refer to a company embracing a standard they want to destroy for whatever reason. If they were extending the bittorrent protocol you would have a point.

    But again, what on EARTH does any of this have to do with it being acceptable for one company to use your bandwidth when you are streaming files from them but when another does it they are 'stealing' your bandwidth or whatever?

    Its like some people on here think that because MS was judged to legally be a monopoly that means they cant do things that are perfectly normal for other companies to do. I swear one day I will read on here that MS shouldnt be allowed to be registered in a phone book or something because they are a monopoly and should be held to a different standard. Utilizing a swarming protocol does not equate to abuse of monopoly powers.

  9. Re:MOD PARENT UP by jorghis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It really is not logical to look at things that way though. You can make a case against any large organizations ethics.

    What you are doing is kind of like a democrat proposing a policy and then someone yelling "Well your party used to support slavery so I dont think we should listen to anything you say."

    Or when Google tries to get its way with net nuetrality the telecoms shouting "Well you guys are censoring content in China so I dont think anything you want with net nuetrality should be granted."

    Or when Apple tries to sell you a sell phone you could say "You guys had that options scandal where you defrauded shareholders, if I buy this iPhone I will be supporting corruption!"

    See? Can you find any organization of any size that you cant use that sort of logic against? This is why the legal system and just about everyone with common sense looks only at the issues at hand rather than using their preexisting biases and stereotypes.