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Office Printers May Pose Health Risks

drewmoney writes "The BBC reports on new findings which may have implications for the way offices are laid out. According to an Australian study, around a third of modern printer models release 'potentially dangerous levels of toner into the air' as they are completing a job. 'Almost one-third were found to emit ultra-tiny particles of toner-like material, so small that they can infiltrate the lungs and cause a range of health problems from respiratory irritation to more chronic illnesses. Conducted in an open-plan office, the test revealed that particle levels increased five-fold during working hours, a rise blamed on printer use. '"

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  1. we've solved this problem by yagu · · Score: 5, Funny

    We worked out an agreement with all the smokers on the floor. We've installed our printer outside the front entrance about 20 feet away from the door. That's where all of the smokers go to take a break... they're saving money on cigarettes, and the office air is clean. Of course, it's a bit of a hassle waiting for the smokers to bring in our printouts.

    1. Re:we've solved this problem by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

      they're saving money on cigarettes
      Not until they make nicotine toner cartridges they aren't.
    2. Re:we've solved this problem by Heftklammerdosierer! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Call it Nicotoner. A catchy name means you're half way to success already!

      Then a few years later market the Nicotoner Patch, promising to finally usher in the era of paperless offices.

    3. Re:we've solved this problem by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are absolutly discusting...

      It's disgusting, and this isn't limited to printers. Keyboards, cases, anything that touches smoke is going to get brown. Well, "dark-beige", if you want. I'm guilty myself for smoking.

      Doctors realised a long time ago that smoke was bad for you. I've seen quotes of over 100 years old saying that "smoke was vile". Anyway, you also have to realise that smoking became way more common with the introduction of the cigarette that was made to be smoked anytime anyplace. A hundred years ago, the man came home and smoke a pipe and only one because tobacco was hugely expensive and a big luxury. Cigars were the same: you took time to enjoy them. Cigarettes changed that all. So the amount consumed was way less than it was not, making the health impact much less.

      I don't like cigarettes at all, as you might have understood by now. Yet, I love my cigars.

    4. Re:we've solved this problem by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's like the dodgy landlord who asked all prospective tenants if they smoked ..... if you said "yes" he put you in a house with asbestos, and if you said "no" he put you in a house with a gas leak.

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    5. Re:we've solved this problem by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Inkjets? You're talking about a device which deliberately aerosolizes and ionizes organic and inorganic solvents containing toxic pigments and dyes. Stuff's deadly. Stay away. Best just to use pencil and paper... uhh, wait, using a pencil releases carbon microparticles.... better skip the hardcopy entirely.

    6. Re:we've solved this problem by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Funny

      better skip the hardcopy entirely.

      And irradiate myself by using a computer monitor? No way!

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  2. Paper shredders do this too by conspirator57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They release both paper dust and toner dust. I've known people who've gotten several sinus infections over their tenure near large print/shred stations (several B/W and color printers, fax, fine grain shredders.)

    Get a portable HEPA filter and droop it in the vicinity of your printers and your problems (if you have any) will get measurably better.

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    1. Re:Paper shredders do this too by slughead · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They release both paper dust and toner dust. I've known people who've gotten several sinus infections over their tenure near large print/shred stations (several B/W and color printers, fax, fine grain shredders.)

      That's one explanation. The BBC also says that "particle levels rise" during work hours... note that it doesn't specify the type of particles... well here are some other explanations:

      1. Perfumes worn by employees
      2. Dead skin (which is what 'dust' usually is)
      3. Particulates stirred up by people walking around
      4. Higher speed air due to cooling/heating systems which release and stir up dust

      Does this remind anyone of "WiFi in schools causes cancer! Cell towers cause even more!" This was yet another BBC scare-story.

      I can't believe anyone even reads the BBC's science and technology articles, especially after that.

  3. Management perspective by IBBoard · · Score: 3, Funny

    Managers across the country have been heard mumbling things like "Forget the employees, how can we recover all of this lost toner to extend toner cartridge life and reduce print costs?" and "So that's why our toner life was never as long as the brochure".

    1. Re:Management perspective by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
      An office full of ozone is definitely bad news - and every LaserJet 4 or 5 I've seen over the past few years has been one of these 'gross polluters'.

      Actually, the LJ 4 and later don't emit ozone at all.

      HP LaserJet and HP Color LaserJet Series Printers - Information about Ozone Emissions
      The HP LaserJet IIP, IIP Plus, and IIIP series printers generate ozone emissions far below 0.1 parts per million while printing. The HP LaserJet IIISi, 4, and 4M series printers do not emit ozone at any time. The reason is that none of these printers have corona wires.
  4. Obvious by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Particulate pollution is common. If you live in a big city, you know what I'm talking about, just by seeing the crap that accumulates on your clothes after walking around for a few hours.

    This study says nothing that isn't trivially obvious. Does airborne toner represent a particular health threat above and beyond the whole "breathing particles into your lungs" thing, or is this just another "ZOMG! Stuff in the air!" study with no actual facts to back it up. Doubly annoying for them to compare it to smoking, because the least problem with smoking is the particulates.

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    1. Re:Obvious by Raineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Further to this, I find these findings quite strange. Most manufacturers go to insane lengths to avoid toner emission into the air so that they do not get an asbestos style class action suit.

      Eh, maybe for smaller office printers they do but not in the commercial "toner" printing industry (like phone bills and the like). My company's printers (and our competitors) dust the entire room at an alarming rate. After working on a more dirty problem it's very likely to come out looking like a coal miner, black snot and all.

      The problem is these get installed in your typical raised-floor computer rooms in the same area as storage and CPU's, sometimes not more than 10-20 feet away.

      Toner isn't asbestos. Sure it's particulate and it may even be harmful (as an obstruction, like anything else) but there are way too many lifelong printer repairman in my company and lung/breathing issues are no more common here than anywhere else. I know a large number of them personally and the health problems just don't exist in any substantial amount. The division that deals with HDD and tape manufacturer has had a lot more public health issues with their materials.

      Sure our company has funded studies which say Carbon Black is not harmful, but of course we all take this with a large grain of salt. I rely much more highly on the people I have personally known over the years.

  5. PC Load Letter.... by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 3, Funny

    Time to get the bats out again.

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  6. Am I safe? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do I have to worry about the toner particles when I open up my e-mails? Or is it only a problem if I open the attachment?

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  7. Re:Ozone and Toner by Ravenscall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At least here in the US part of the issue is the users as well. I cannot count the number of times a printer was down and I had users grumbling that they had to walk 20 yards as opposed to 5 to get thier printouts. It is not as simple as employee morale being inversely related to distance from printers, but the way they complain you would think it is.

    Probably says something about why we have an obesity epidemic to boot.

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  8. Re:No worries - they still have a perfect scapegoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    especially since it's politically correct to hate anyone who participates in it.

    No, we hate people who participate in it because of their unbelievably rude practice of subjecting everybody else to their filthy reeking emissions. Stale smoke smells like fucking shit.

    Since so few smokers through the years have taken it upon themselves to do the civilized thing and ensure that nobody around them has to experience their vile backwashed fumes, the victims are banding together to help the smokers learn what should have been common courtesy.

  9. That fresh printer smell by techiemikey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, this explains why i always like that "fresh printer smell" after printing out a document at work. I always thought it was just the sense of accomplishment, but apparently it's just yet another thing bad for me. Figures...first the McDonalds...now the printers.

  10. Re:Why do people still print? by N+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my opinion, and printer is about as valuable in a modern office as horse stalls are in a modern firehouse.

    Why do I still print?

    Because when I have 3 or more documents I'm reading to review etc, it's more convenient to be able to

    a) flick between the pages of different documents

    b) underline/highlight/ make notes in the margins

    c) carry them with me/ dump them on a couch/chair while reading.

    d) I often need the computer screen to write a review document.

    My PC screen's resolution isn't up to the job of having multiple documents open side-by-side (and the laptop's is even worse). Furthermore,the interface to Acrobat/Word/anything for that matter, is pathetically slow. A mouse and keyboard are no substitute for human hands on paper combined with a simple pen.

    Maybe when we have desks that are touch sensitive LCDs with 10k*10k resolution, things may change.

  11. Re:No worries - they still have a perfect scapegoa by Marty_Krapturd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *** HOW ABOUT? ***

    No, we hate people who participate in it because of their unbelievably rude practice of subjecting everybody else to their filthy reeking emissions. Car exhaust smells like fucking shit.

    Since so few drivers through the years have taken it upon themselves to do the civilized thing and ensure that nobody around them has to experience their vile backwashed fumes, the victims are banding together to help the drivers learn what should have been common courtesy.

    *** OR ***

    No, we hate people who participate in it because of their unbelievably rude practice of subjecting everybody else to their filthy reeking emissions. The average bean fart smells like fucking shit.

    Since so few bean eaters through the years have taken it upon themselves to do the civilized thing and ensure that nobody around them has to experience their vile backwashed fumes, the victims are banding together to help the bean eaters learn what should have been common courtesy.

    *** OR EVEN ***

    No, we hate people who participate in it because of their unbelievably rude practice of subjecting everybody else to their filthy reeking emissions. Shit smells like fucking shit.

    Since so few defecators through the years have taken it upon themselves to do the civilized thing and ensure that nobody around them has to experience their vile backwashed fumes, the victims are banding together to help the defedators learn what should have been common courtesy.

    *** DISCLAIMER: I'm a reformed tobacco smoker. Used to smoke 2 packs a day for about 10 years. Quit cold turkey. It wasn't the idea of 5 fewer years in my life, but 5 years of slow gurgling death that convinced me.

  12. Printer Emissions are Tested! by PhloppyPhallus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work in the research labs of a major printer/copier manufacturer. We did extensive testing of chemical emissions for all laser/toner based products, from desk top models to huge production printers. Tests were done in a variety of formats, but in general the machine was placed in a well sealed room and allowed to operate for hours. Usually there would be a specified air change rate, say the volume of the room every six hours, but sometime the concentration was allowed to build in a room with no air change. Every few minutes throughout the test an air sample was collected from a special chamber on the test room wall. The air sample would be run through optical, chemical and mass spectrometry testing to determine the chemical composition - we looked specifically for about 20 different chemicals which were known to be emitted in quantity, were regulated, or were likely to be regulated because they posed a known health risk. All laser printers emit airborne chemicals - this is known and it is tested to make sure the chemical emission rates and the air concentrations in even the stuffiest of closets are well below any known safety limits. This isn't a new approach, either - I was once tasked with surveying the results of all air quality tests done on currently-in-use printers made by the company, and testing was performed up-to-standard for all machines developed since the mid-80s. Still, that said, you can always work to reduce the concentration of chemicals in the air by ensuring that you place you office copier in a well ventilated and open room. Air change rate and room size are the primary factors which determine the steady-state concentration of airborne chemicals.