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William Gibson Gives Up on the Future

Tinkle writes "Sci-fi novelist William Gibson has given up trying to predict the future — because he says it's become far too difficult. In an interview with silicon.com, Gibson explains why his latest book is set in the recent past. 'We hit a point somewhere in the mid-18th century where we started doing what we think of technology today and it started changing things for us, changing society. Since World War II it's going literally exponential and what we are experiencing now is the real vertigo of that — we have no idea at all now where we are going." "Will global warming catch up with us? Is that irreparable? Will technological civilization collapse? There seems to be some possibility of that over the next 30 or 40 years or will we do some Verner Vinge singularity trick and suddenly become capable of everything and everything will be cool and the geek rapture will arrive? That's a possibility too.'"

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  1. Well, crap! by monkeyboythom · · Score: 4, Funny

    there goes my investments in learning Chinese, buying slums in Tokyo and building a crappy AI called Wintermute.

    1. Re:Well, crap! by buswolley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is only one true future prediction! We'll all die.

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    2. Re:Well, crap! by Surt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming we cannot exit the universe, or alter its physical laws.

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    3. Re:Well, crap! by gijoel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But on the brighter side the sky won't look like a television tuned to a dead channel.

  2. I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There's two things I'd like to mention after reading this interview. First, let's give the original credit of a technology explosion or singularity to I. J. Good and his quote:

    Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,' and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make. I think that predates Verner Vinge but he certainly never built it into a story like Vinge.

    Second, I would like to point out that every non-fiction book or movie I have read requires some degree of suspension of disbelief. Whether I'm watching Remains of the Day or Demolition Man, I need to look past illogical or non-scientific aspects of the movies. Does this detract from the story? Some would say yes, I would say only a little bit. I am very forgiving in literature. I have read many old Stanislaw Lem novels and the complex emotions the robots display is impossible--the physics of the robots are even more impossible. But Lem's stories are still great, given I can get past a robot with no energy input survives millions of years in space.

    So although I have not read William Gibson's works, I ask him not to give up on writing. You will have another good idea and you will write another book about it. Just wait for it to come.

    As for this idea of technology actually achieving this event horizon described by Good or Gibson or Vinge, I don't think that it's achievable. I can't prove it won't happen just like you can't prove it will happen. All I will say is that I don't even know where to begin. I would start with digesting the world wide web & developing a logic and reasoning engine to decide which statements are true and which are fact and which are neither. When it would be done, it may be 'more intelligent' than I but not 'more intelligent' than the sum of all human knowledge.

    I think there will always be a "???" in the game plan to make an artificially intelligent robot that functions intelligently on a human level or higher. I just don't see a way around it. That doesn't mean we should ever stop writing about it though.

    Sci-fi is fun, not something that is completely scientifically accurate--it just is a lot more fun when you explore the gray areas we don't understand or theorize about. Enjoy it while you can!
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    1. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously. Were it not for willing suspension of disbelief, the entire genre of sci-fi would not even be viable. What's scientifically accurate about sci-fi universes like Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, B5, or even Eureka? Nothing. The point is, who cares? Sci-fi is about the story, not about the science.

    2. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by scribblej · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Your post was thoughtful and well-written, as well as insightful. I'm almost embarassed to be replying with humor.

      So although I have not read William Gibson's works, I ask him not to give up on writing. You will have another good idea and you will write another book about it. Just wait for it to come.

      I'd like to suggest that if you HAD read his books, you'd ask him to please put down the pen and do something else.

      He had one great idea, and when he was younger, his writing style was beautiful and articulate, like some crazy poetry. But as time has worn on, he has moved further from brilliant concepts and fantastic conceptualizations, and closer to being "just another sci-fi author."

      Neuromancer was an excellent read. The stories in Burning Chrome, genius. I'd even give im points on Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive.

      After that, he went to crap. I still give him credit for being a brilliant man, a good writer, whom a lot of people enjoy. But I don't think that anyone, even his current fans, would argue that after his first set of books, "something changed."

    3. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by bobetov · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In regards to your skepticism regarding the singularity, I'd like to point out that it doesn't require super-smart machines to happen.

      The requirement for the singularity is simply that we reach a point where we can achieve, in some manner, an intelligence of 1.01 times the human norm, and that that intelligence can repeat the trick. Certainly, machine intelligences should allow this, but it is also possible we will devise ways to improve our own mental functioning, or a way to aggregate normal human intelligence such that the total is greater than any one mind could comprehend.

      There are, in short, a number of paths to exponentiating intelligence. To argue that such is impossible is not supportable - we have only one example of a human-caliber mind, and all indications are that we are not in any way an end point of evolution. If mother nature can get to homo sapiens through genetic darts and dice, it seems decidedly improbable that we won't be able to do better with a guided approach, once we master the required genetics and so forth.

      Now, I have major doubts about the *pace* of this change, and of when it will kick in, but it seems unlikely that anything short of a planet-wide catastrophe could stop it from happening *eventually*.

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    4. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seriously. Were it not for willing suspension of disbelief, the entire genre of sci-fi would not even be viable. What's scientifically accurate about sci-fi universes like Star Trek, Star Wars, Stargate, B5, or even Eureka? Nothing. The point is, who cares? Sci-fi is about the story, not about the science. Those are all space operas, which, depending on who you're talking to, are either a subgenre of sci-fi or not sci-fi at all. Gibson writes a lot of hard science fiction, along with authors like David Brin, Charles Stross, Vernor Vinge, and (to an extent) Arthur C. Clarke. In hard sci-fi most of the emphasis is on the scientific details/accuracy, with the story often just being a path the author takes you through their scientifically rigorous vision.
    5. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In that case, it could be said that hard science fiction has become almost impossible. Conjectures about future technologies are as hard as WG says, and any given writer is going to have to face the likelihood that their conjectures get shown as flawed very quickly. Scientific accuracy is hard enough for scientists now: a physicist will probably not have the ability to recognize biological impossibilities; a geneticist will botch sociology and economics. Yet a comprlling story will have value even if the science is flawed.

    6. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Propaganda13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Science doesn't have to advance at a mind boggling rate. Collapse of civilization or strict government control can greatly hamper that rate or even reverse it. Colonizing a new planet can also be a setting where ultra advanced technology isn't used.

    7. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Txiasaeia · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Disclaimer: I'm Gibson's #1 raving fanboy.

      What Gibson writes isn't hard sf by any stretch of the imagination. Neuromancer, as I'm sure most of the /. audience is aware, was written by Gibson when he had very little, if any, knowledge of how computers work. Bundles of fiber-optic lines as thick as a horse's tail, for instance. Second, technology isn't the point in most of his stories. In Neuromancer, we have one superhuman entity attempting to merge with another one. Do we have intricate passages in which the technology of this is discussed? Nope. The AIs in Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive, I'd argue, are closer to traditional definitions of gods than pieces of technology. Look at what we know about the Aleph in MLO: it's a mother-huge slab of nanotech, infinite storage space, and can somehow connect Earth with Alpha Centauri. We're definitely lacking some technical details here. I'm a bit fuzzier on the Bridge technology, but certainly Pattern Recognition isn't sf at all, given that it took place in the recent past at the time of its publication.

      Rather than hard sf, let's call Gibson's early writings what they are: cyberpunk, stories about high technology, low lifes, and their interactions in a social millieu. The emphasis isn't technology at all, but social change. I mean, look at the importance of megacorporations and zaibatsus in Gibson's writings, something that's not characteristic of Vinge or Kim Stanley Robinson (who'd I argue is more of a hard sf writer than Charles Stross). Look at Case's first reaction when he is able to punch deck again: there's no technical details for what's been repaired in his brain, but the description of an ecstatic (in the strictest definition of the word) experience. Even the development of the relationship between humanity and AIs over the course of the first trilogy overshadows the technology that drives AIs. There aren't any scientific details and there's no attempt to reconcile science with plot in Gibson's writings. This isn't a bad thing.

      To quickly wrap it up, I've always believed that cyberpunk, with its emphasis on heroes, higher [technological] beings, and grand conflicts that change the course of society are new myths for a technological society. Look at Greg Bear's "Petra," Stephenson's _Snow Crash_, Cadigan's _Mindplayers_... the emphasis on the religious/spiritual/pseudo-religious/spiritual is seemingly more important than the technology that drives each of these works. I'm very sad that Gibson is moving away from this, but given Pattern Recognition, he's moving towards an exploration of mass media and society, which is also very fascinating. (And what's this about space operas not being considered sf? Who would say this?)

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    8. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by HeroreV · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have read many old Stanislaw Lem novels and the complex emotions the robots display is impossible Why is that? Because robots don't have souls? Because we're special in some sort of magical way? I've never heard of any other reason why people believe such a thing.
    9. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Jeremy_Bee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In that case, it could be said that hard science fiction has become almost impossible. Conjectures about future technologies are as hard as (William Gibson) says, and any given writer is going to have to face the likelihood that their conjectures get shown as flawed very quickly. No offense but this sounds like nonsense to me.

      Science fiction is no more impossible by these standards than it ever was. If you read sci-fi from the 50's and 60's they got some of it right and huge amounts of it completely wrong. I would venture to guess that science fiction today will have about the same ratio of accuracy some 50 or 60 years hence.

      Also, despite his fame and fortune, William Gibson is one of the last person to be talking about predicting the future. Anyone really familiar with science fiction and Gibson's novels can tell you that other than a few buzzwords and the general tone of his one and only original novel, nothing Gibson has written about has actually come true. The metaphorical "cyberspace" (there's the buzz-word [smirk]), in his first novel if not really anything like what actually became cyberspace except in very general, symbolic outlines. And all of his further novels are just regurgitations of the same stuff.

      "Real" science fiction, (the original science fiction), is about science and the future in a concrete sense and it's based in social and historical themes. The idea is to base a story in a "real" or possible future society. The "other" kind of sci-fi, the stuff that has been popular since about 1980 or so and has become mainstream in our culture, has nothing to do with the future or with science. Despite the trappings of ray-guns and spaceships for instance, Star Wars is essentially a medieval drama about empire and heroic rebellion. Same goes for the vast majority of TV sci-fi.

      These are not science fiction stories, they are War stories (now called "action" movies), romantic dramas, and sitcoms that just happen to take place in some cheesy spaceship. Gibson actually wrote some real science fiction with that first book, but it's been severely overplayed and overexposed.

      He has been trading on it's success ever since IMO.
    10. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The premise here is wrong. Hard SF is not limited to technology that *will* come, it is about technology that *could* come because the science, at the time is is written (and that is a very important issue) is plausible as far as is known. It has nothing to do with the ideas "coming true", though that's not to say they could not.

      Suspension of disbelief is easier in stories written this way; and contrary to the above assertion, in good hard SF, the technology doesn't serve the role of the main story, carrying the characters as an incidental; the technology can almost fade away, leaving the story to be the main theme because the technology isn't so crazy.

      Can there be good, accurate ideas in hard SF? Sure. We have seen them over and over. Frederick Pohl predicted today's convergence of cell phone, PDA, browser and so on with a great deal of accuracy in "The Age of the Pussyfoot." Niven and Pournelle did a great "asteroid hits earth" novel; Gibson himself did some very intriguing speculation along the lines of interfaces, scientifically plausible but requiring considerably more horsepower than was available at the time of his writing (but not now.) Gregory Benford, James P Hogan, Asimov, Blish, Clarke, and a host of others have all dipped their hand into the "hard" SF bowl and pulled out shining fruits no one had ever thought of before, all while writing great, engaging stories about a huge variety of things.

      I read both types with equal, but different, pleasure. I enjoy the flight of fancy that comes with the idea of FTL drive; I also enjoy the tweak I get from a lesser technology that I actually might live to see if things go that way. But if the story doesn't bring interesting plot lines, significant character development, thought-provoking social comment, reasons for the major technological developments being posited... odds are I'll put it down and never pick it up again.

      The idea that an SF story would be devalued if the predicted technology didn't materialize or if later science narrows the hard SF window such that it could not materialize is ludicrous; on the contrary, an honest window into what people really thought was possible at any point in time has its own magnificent charm.

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    11. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by LS · · Score: 2, Insightful


      He probably stopped taking drugs. No, I'm not joking...

      LS

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    12. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you want to see Gibson's roots, read Dashiell Hammett. Gibson is like an eery echo of him, and I say that as a Gibson fan.

      I've read pretty much everything written by both authors, and love them both, but this is not a comparison I would have made. I would be sincerely interested if you would elaborate.

      My dad was a big sci-fi fan, and I read his back copies of "Analog" and "Astounding" pulps in the early 60's. My mom worked as a librarian, and so we got advanced access to all the new, good SF as it came out. I especially enjoyed Judith Merrill's "The Year's Best SF" anthologies, which introduced me to authors such as Fred Pohl, Philip K. Dick, and Fritz Leiber. (I was also lucky to attend the engineering school at the University of Toronto; directly across from the engineering building was Merrill's "Spaced Out Library", which was the most complete selection of SF works I had ever seen. Many a happy lunch hour was spent there!)

      I like Gibson, not because he's some techno-visionary, but because he's an exquisite writer. Fritz Leiber's "Gonna Roll Some Bones" is about a boy whose co-ordination is so good, he can throw rock chips back into place in the rock - there's some serious suspension of disbelief required here! - but the beauty of the story is in Leiber's prose, not the premise. Virtually everything Philip K. Dick wrote seemed completely implausible 40 years ago, but the stories were still fascinating reads. (When you consider that "Blade Runner", "Total Recall" and "Minority Report" were all based on Dick's works, it appears that Hollywood can better transform his stories to the screen than those of other SF writers. I offer the movie versions of "Neuromancer" and "Starship Troopers" as evidence.)

      I also find it interesting that Neal Stephenson has also gone back in time, with the "Diamond Age", and his "Baroque Cycle" (which I'm plowing through at the moment; Mom's passed away, and I'm too cheap to buy the hardcovers). I'm half expecting him to do some novels based on the Renaissance next.

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    13. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by awol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then there is the other type of SF where the author doesn't focus on the technology but rather the Society that develops in the future. Specifically stories like Dune where the genius (or luck) of the author is to not worry about describing the technology and focus on the way the politics will develop in the far (in human terms) future. In this way the disbelief is much more easily suspended since the author does not have to describe too much of the detail of the science. Particularly when so much of the technology in question is "old" technology by the time period in which the story is set.

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    14. Re:I.J. Good & The Suspension of Disbelief by Elemenope · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you make an interesting point. I think what has changed most is the rate of social acceptance and civilization-wide implementation of new technologies, and the attendant acceleration of social, legal, political, and psychological changes. From the Watt Steam Engine (first engine concept robust enough to pull significant loads) to Blenkinsop's Steam Rail car was forty years, and significant commercial implementation was another twenty-five. Even with that amount of lead time, the impacts on society and government were immense. Now compare the time-lapse between the first practical personal computer to commercial implementation of the Internet, and the gap is one-quarter the size. And the Internet is shaping up to be as much if not more transformative.

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  3. Sounds like a cop out to me by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what its hard, and you might get it wrong? That doesnt mean it cant be entertaining reading and thought provoking.

    History class is for the lazy writer since there is little to 'invent'. Sure, history is really interesting and educational, but not in the same way as scifi is entertaining and thought provoking.

    And if his 'history works' turn out anything like the "difference engine" was ( it was set in the past remember ), then his career is over as a writer im afraid.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a cop out to me by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't speak for everyone, but as I age, there's certainly more of a tendency to focus on history over the future. I still like sci-fi, but there is a growing trend to focus on character stories in sci-fi, which is, I think, indicative of the fact that much of the technological what-ifs have all been thoroughly hashed out and repeated ad nauseum.

      I think a few things happen as people get older (and I'm about 30 now, so take that for what it's worth): They've learned that the promise of a golden future is an empty promise, especially for people who grew up in the 70s and 80s. They realize that their parents were actual people who had babies, as opposed to mythical, ever-present beings. And, if they've had even the smallest taste of history, they realize that we're doing the same stupid things over and over, and the best chance of finding our way out is to learn from the mistakes of our predecessors, and figure out what we can do differently. In the US at least, history is typically taught as little more than a collection of meaningless dates; anything but interesting. When you start to dig down into who these people really were, what their lives were like, and what they accomplished, it becomes much more entertaining, interesting, and informative. For all of those reasons, history can be very appealing.

      Aside from that, much of science fiction borrows heavily from history, intentionally or otherwise. Clearly Firefly is the Wild West. Star Wars is the American Revolution with Taoist philosophy. The Matrix revisits the question of Plato's Cave. Contact also explores The Cave (what is real?) and Nietzsche's philosophy. BSG is not unlike the Biblical story of the Israelites, except with Cylons instead of Egyptians, and Roman Mythology instead of Judaism. And SG-1 is trite crap. (Sorry, just had to throw that in). Many of these works are valid and entertaining in their own right, but with the proper context they can be even more enjoyable.

  4. become? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's become too difficult? I think it's always been difficult and he's just now beginning to realize how far off the mark his books have been. Don't get me wrong, I love his stuff and will continue to read his books, but saying it's become too difficult is just silly. As for his new book being set in the past, why does that seem to ring a bell? Anyone know of any other cyberpunk novelists that have gone that route?

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    1. Re:become? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

      As for his new book being set in the past, why does that seem to ring a bell? Anyone know of any other cyberpunk novelists that have gone that route?

      And Stephenson's Baroque Cycle is a monument to how much fun that can be. I mean, how many novels get to have a thorough explanation of the origin and evolution of international banking, swashbuckling scenes involving Barbary pirates, a wide range of um... occasionally unorthodox intimate antics, and a chase scene involving Our Hero barely escaping through the Mines Of This-Ain't-Your-Daddy's-Moria while being chased by wacked out Teutonic pagans stoked on psychedelic mushrooms, and ending up in a phospohorous-decorated scene right out of Scooby Doo, only involving a hot chick that's smarter than most of her fans, and who hangs out with world-changing philosophers and scientists while longing for the identity and demise of the slave-owning, rotten-fish-eating villain that stole her as a child and whose son she unknowingly marries as a facade behind which to extend her reach into the pockets and policies of European aristocracy? Did I mention Isaac Newton being brought back from the mostly dead? Sci-fi, schmi-fi!

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  5. New Title Tag by Solokron · · Score: 2, Funny

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  6. He's wrong, you know. by palladiate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make.
    He's as wrong about this as he was his "cyberspace." It will obviously be followed by the invention of something to shut down an army of robots controlled by the world's first ultraintelligent machine. I know I'm killing a sacred cow here, but were any of his predictions all that accurate? I'm not trolling, but after recommending Neuromancer to my far more literate wife and suffering major embarrasment that she called it "the worst kind of pseudo-intellectual garbage," I had to re-read it. All I can say is that it's a good book to read in middle school 20 years ago. It doesn't hold up very well.
    1. Re:He's wrong, you know. by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Gibson and his predictions fare a lot better in the more recent Pattern Recognition. (I personally think his writing style has actually improved over time as well). There's a lot he gets right about marketing and media in the near future (which would be around now, I guess), and for a book where the September 11th attacks are critical to the plot, the narrative has held up pretty well, particularly in comparison to the certain Big Important Novels which tried to make them the framing device for this generation's White Noise or The Tin Drum.

      Of course, comparing Pattern Recognition to something like Neuromancer is really the key to what Gibson is arguing about science fiction. Being speculative about technology far ahead of the present is naturally a recipe for failure. I didn't start reading books like Neuromancer and Snow Crash until about 2000 or so, and while I enjoyed them immensely, most of their predictions had long since become laughable. The authors of cyberpunk novels in the 1980s and early 1990s correctly sensed that the relationship between humans and computers was on the cusp of major change, but virtually all of them put their money down on sophisticated AIs and immersive virtual realities which haven't come to pass. As Gibson notes in his interview, "If I were a smart 12-year-old picking up Neuromancer for the first time today I'd get about 20 pages in and I'd think 'Ahhaa I've got it - what happened to all the cell phones? This is a high-tech future in which cellular telephony has been banned'."

      Now, some of this, I think, just happened to be bad timing- no one writing in 1987 could be expected to accurately forecast 2007. However, rather being outstripped by a vertical asymptote of progess as the technological singularity idea suggests,the collapse of the Soviet bloc and the creation of the Web in particular represent "jump discontinuities" in the timeline. Earlier today, I was reading about Arthur C. Clarke's Space Odyssey series on Wikipedia. The political and technological changes which occurred in between the releases of novels in 1968, 1982, 1987, and 1997 were so great as to cause Clarke to state that each work in the series is on a seperate timeline (2061 still has the USSR around in its title year, while in 3001 it fell back in 1991).

      I think that even if we don't have a Singularity, we will still have events of such significance every few years which alter the course of history in ways that will only be obvious in hindsight and which will make speculation further than a couple years ahead very difficult indeed. And I suppose if we truly are on the run up to a Singularity, it won't be too long before predicting further than a couple days into the future becomes a fool's errand So, Mr. Gibson has a point. However, I'd suggest that's just part of the fun of science fiction- books from the 60s suggesting we'd be living in space in the year 2000 but using computers the size of houses, books from the early 1990s about computer hackers of the early 21st century as virtual reality ninjas. In these best examples of these, the story is entertaining enough that it didn't matter that the visions of the future (now the present) didn't pan out.

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    2. Re:He's wrong, you know. by noewun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My wife has a masters in English

      No offense, but the fact that your wife has a Master's in English doesn't mean squat. I have a degree in Creative Writing and that doesn't make my opinion more valid than anyone else's. I know people with CS degrees who can't operate a toaster. There is no more or less informed opinion when talking about appreciation of art: it's all entirely subjective.

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  7. Not so hard, really by pieterh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's pretty easy to predict the future. The hard part is the timing.

    Anyhow, here goes:

    - most of the world gets online and fully integrated into the digital revolution
    - wireless networks everywhere
    - more and more services get online
    - large-screen video conferencing in every living room
    - digital glasses that overlay the real world with maps, wikipedia pages, everything
    - facial recognition for *everyone* you meet, pops up their wikipedia page
    - no more queues at the post office - every interaction with the state will go online
    - movies will, eventually die, and be replaced with something like scripted video games
    - virtual worlds will become a major front-end to the internet
    - rising energy costs will define how we use transport
    - poorer nations will be strongest adopters of ecological technologies
    - we'll see 'fabricators', able to make any product out of a digital design
    - the *AA will crack down on design sharers
    - cities will reject the automobile and become a lot nicer places to live in
    - pharmaceutics will go digital and we'll be exchanging digital drug designs
    - some bright kid will hack a drug fab to produce artificial life
    - the church and the *AA will crack down on DNA design sharers
    - the country as a notion will die and be replaced with the online community
    - big, big changes in political structures

    Etc.

    1. Re:Not so hard, really by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      - rising energy costs will define how we use transport
      or Nuclear Fission will start to replace natural gas and coal fired power plants followed shortly buy Fusion in about 20 years.
      Coal reformulation will replace oil as the primary source of liquid hydrocarbons.

      - poorer nations will be strongest adopters of ecological technologies
      Poorer nations will continue to exploit the cheapest and dirtiest fuel sources such as coal.

      - cities will reject the automobile and become a lot nicer places to live in

      Would be nice if they would just build some side walks near my home!

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    2. Re:Not so hard, really by tmortn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to disagree about cities and cars. For the most part you would not have to raze them. Simply getting cars off the streets leaves you a very nice, seriously over engineered infrastructure of right of ways (over engineered when used for pedestrian traffic) to re-purpose. You would still need some sort of delivery system, or perhaps shunt truck traffic into the wee hours via a core set of routes(lot of it already is anyway) and develop some kind of pedestrian friendly mass transit solution like a hop on hop off light rail/street car concept... perhaps even Heinleinish moving sidewalk kind of system.

      In such a system with roads available in large part for pedestrian traffic, a Segway style device might actually have some of the impact it was hyped to be capable of providing. A 20 mile range Segway, and weather shielded roadways not crowded with cell phone chatting soccer moms in SUV's could be pretty slick for an alternative City transit system. Hell, just ditching full sized cars for golf carts (max) would do a lot.

      The hard part about re-placing cars isn't current infrastructure if you ask me. It is convincing people to give up a well sheltered door to door load carrying conveyance that works on their schedule. You have to maintain the same freedom of travel for a similar cost... be it through Rentals for distance driving or better long distance travel options that are not insanely expensive when compared to that of a car. The more expensive owning and operating a car is the more likely this is to occur. Look at cities like New York and London. They have high use mass transit systems because it is insanely expensive to operate a car there for very little gain over using the mass transit options. Parking alone can cost more than car ownership in many other locales.

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    3. Re:Not so hard, really by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I completely disagree. You must not live in a megalopolis like Phoenix. In a place like this, something as slow as a golf cart or Segway is simply too slow to get around in a reasonable amount of time (never mind the fact that the Segway looks totally gay; if you want minimalistic 1-person travel, either get a bike, or if you're disabled, a scooter). Transit times of 30 minutes to 1 hour are common here, because people frequently don't live anywhere near their workplace. Moving closer frequently isn't an option because either the realty is too expensive at that location, or because their spouse works someplace far from their own workplace.

      The main problem with cities designed for cars is that everything is extremely spread out; there's lots of wide roads and highways, and very few tall buildings. It's not like dense cities like Manhattan, where thousands of people work in one building. Also, because everything is oriented towards single-family detached homes, the residential areas take up enormous space. You're not likely to convince Americans to move into dense urban apartments; the benefits of home ownership are far too great, from the financial to the quality-of-life (apartment living generally sucks unless you're deaf and don't mind kids vandalizing your car).

      Your examples of NY and London are inapplicable; again, the density there is much higher, and people have accepted not being able to own their own homes, probably because of the careers available in those cities, and the much higher salaries usually offered. Also, if you've ever visited Manhattan, you'd know that children there are a rarity. People generally move to the suburbs to raise kids.

      In a city that dense, installing a mass-transit system makes sense, and actually works. It also helps a lot if the city is generally long and narrow. Again, here in PHX, the city is spread out over hundreds of square miles in both the x and y axes; the amount of infrastructure you'd need to install to cover all that would be insane. We do have buses here, but you're looking at a 4-hour trip to get from Chandler to Scottsdale. That's not exactly useful.

      The reason cities this dense can exist is because there's lots of alternatives. Most Americans don't live in NYC, or any city resembling it. The people who like that kind of environment, and can live with it (because their career pays enough, they don't have kids, etc.) migrate to those cities. Everyone else stays in less-dense places and owns a car. Trying to get everyone (or even 50% of everyone) to move to cities like this would never work, again, at least not without razing our current car-centered cities and building new dense cities.

    4. Re:Not so hard, really by noewun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, if you've ever visited Manhattan, you'd know that children there are a rarity

      Don't know where you were, If you look at the census data you will see that almost 20% of Manhattan's population is under the age of 18. All I know is that I can't walk down the sidewalk without dodging mom's and dad's and their damn strollers.

      And, don't worry: the end of the petroleum economy will radically change the American landscape. It's already happening in some areas. Atlanta, for instance, has seen big increase in people moving away from the 'burbs and into the city center to get away from long commutes and having to own a car.

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  8. Computer not yet invented. by backslashdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know a lot of people in the world live as though airplanes, cars, televisions, and the light bulb were not even invented yet. So even if someday someone invents cool stuff, there will always be a segment of the world to which those things may as well have never been invented. The computer I am typing this to you on is science fiction to them.

    So, can we use our existing technology to provide decent preventative health, transportation, and clean water for everyone? It requires no inventing. No new technology. Their governments just need to allow entrepreneurs build a bunch of solar or nuclear power plants to desalinate the water and power heavy construction equipment (currently most third world governments don't allow entrepreneurs to compete against eh state owned corrupt utility companies).

  9. Geek rapture by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dates with girls.

    I can hardly wait.

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  10. always be a "???" by wurp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Use a combination of surgical examination, dissection of dead tissue, and MRI and other dynamic techniques to produce a model of the physics of a human brain
    2. Wait until Moore's law puts a computer within your price range that is capable of running that model at faster than 1 model second per real second
    3. Implement it

    You now have a machine that is slightly more intelligent than a human. Add in the fact that you can fully oxygenate all tissues, remove waste products, control neurochemicals, and dissipate (virtual) heat with no regard for physical laws, and I'd say it's quite a bit beyond human intelligence.

    1. Re:always be a "???" by Surt · · Score: 2, Informative

      This will be a while. A current generation processor can simulate in the range of 10 neurons with pretty good accuracy in real time.
      A human brain has ~100 billion neurons.

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    2. Re:always be a "???" by nuzak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, and in 50 years, they'll calculate more information than is contained in the universe in less than Planck time.

      Moore's "law" as you understand it is already plateauing.

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    3. Re:always be a "???" by Surt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My estimate is based on direct experience using Neuron:
      http://neuron.duke.edu/

      And attempting to model everything we know about the chemical processes. That said, there are 2 dimensions of performance issues:

      1) Neuron is not as fast as it could be, because a lot of the work being done is at an interpretive level.
      2) It's likely we don't know all we need to about the chemistry.

      I assume those 2 issues are roughly a draw, and that in order to eventually simulate a human brain, there will be improvements in the simulator software eventually, but those will trade off against the necessity of more detailed simulations.

      In any case, 50 years for the computer power to simulate a human brain is a decent bet.

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    4. Re:always be a "???" by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Informative
      Could it be that intelligence is more or even something entirely different than any arrangement of matter and energy, could ever produce, no matter how many components are used and how complex their arrangement?

      There is no science that indicates that this is even slightly likely. We have every reason to think that the brain obeys the physics that everything else has turned out to obey, and no reason to think otherwise at this point in time.

      I'll consider your brain-as-uber-thang ideas when you get some evidence to support them. So far, everything points to electrical, chemical, physical architecture, and possibly quantum structures and activities as the brain's underlying base "technologies", as it were. So until or unless you can produce said evidence, you get to enjoy the status of "crackpot", pretty much right along the lines of astrologers, religionists, and crystal gazers. :-)

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  11. It's a Brave New World... by zenasprime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Or is it? Eh...I always thought Sci-Fi was more about bringing the present to light then predicting anything about the future but who am I... :p

    1. Re:It's a Brave New World... by Control+Group · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, pessimistic much?

      FTL travel I'll give you; it would take a major rewrite of physics to make that a reality. It's not happening.

      AI, though? I'm unaware of any fundamental reason AI can't be realized. Quite the opposite: the fact that what we term intelligence has already arisen naturally rather strongly implies that it can be done. It may not be right around the corner, but - unlike FTL travel - we know intelligence to exist; all we have to do is replicate it.

      And unlimited energy? If you're defining it as depressingly rigorously as possible, and referring solely to conservation of energy, yes, of course. But you don't need to violate conservation to provide unlimited energy from the point of view of the human race. Just harnessing a significant percentage of the energy the sun blasts out in all directions would solve our energy problems forever. Just like AI, we know it's there, it's a matter of engineering a way to use it.

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  12. Climate change by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Alternately, climate change destroys much of human life on the planet.

    It won't be Mad Max, Waterworld or Soylent Green but certain foods are going to become a luxary. Certain fish already are.

  13. oblig simpsons. by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Somehow the future is surprising, yet not surprising. I revel in watching the world change, the same mistakes being made, but still with crazy plot twists.

    The future has always been quite similar to the past, that's probably the most striking thing about it. Culturally things have hardly changed in centuries. People fight over religion, travel wherever they can to get away from each other, experiment with anything they get their hands on, grow up, get married, raise children, and die. The tools we use change, but our actual lives as homo sapiens...not so much.

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  14. Huh? by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Sci-fi novelist William Gibson has given up trying to predict the future -- because he says it's become far too difficult.

    I find it impossible. I guess that's why I can't get a job:

    Interviewer: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

    Me: "If I knew what was happening in 5 years, I'd be a billionaire and NOT interviewing for some dipshit wage slave job! And maybe, if I actually knew, I'd be committing suicide for my dismal future of: commuting at least an hour in traffic one way each day, having to put up asinine reviews that are geared to make me fail, watching CEOs who get fired leave with tens of millions of dollars in severance while, the rest of us watch our jobs go overseas,and ... oh fuck it!"

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  15. Re:[s]He's wrong, you know. by prgrmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    she called it "the worst kind of pseudo-intellectual garbage,"

    The "worst", as opposed to the "best" kind?

    The book is speculative fiction: Is it garbage because its predictions haven't been met? Is it "pseudo-intellectual" because it is a work of fiction, and, to some extent, was intended to entertain? Or is it that she judged the story or the characters or the setting to her disliking insteading judging the writing itself?

    Granted, it's not an earth-shattering revelation on the insights of society and technology, but then I don't believe either the book itself or Gibson presented it that way.

  16. I Can't Ask an Author to Stop Doing What He Loves by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to suggest that if you HAD read his books, you'd ask him to please put down the pen and do something else. I'm sorry, I can't ask anyone to stop writing a book. I can ask people to stop acting or directing movies but for some reason another book on earth can only be good.

    I don't know why. I think it's because the millions paid to make Kangaroo Jack could feed an entire African nation for quite some time. And that writing a book usually costs a person just enough to live and get by while it's in the process. I see books as more of a pure form of free speech also and I never want to see a book censored or banned regardless of its content. Purist, idealist view I know but if I had a religion it would be centered around that.

    Maybe it's because the world wanted James Joyce to stop writing. Maybe it's because the world wanted Anthony Burgess to stop writing. If they had succeeded, we wouldn't have Ulysses or A Clockwork Orange. Two monumental masterpieces in my mind.

    Don't ask him to stop writing, I'm sure someone somewhere still enjoys the works, you don't have to keep reading them. I no longer read Crichton or Stephen King even though I read everything by them in eighth grade. Is it because I've grown up or they've changed? I cannot say but I still hope they author novels until their dying day so that others may enjoy them.

    What does a bad book by an author you once loved hurt you? Let them publish, read the reviews and pick carefully. I think that deep down inside you'd still read them and get some enjoyment even if it's just discussing them with your friends.
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  17. True, but not unique to SF though. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Were it not for willing suspension of disbelief, the entire genre of fiction would not even be viable.

    Fixed that for you. Suspension of disbelief is just as much a requirement for other fiction subgenres as it is for SF, in greater or lesser amounts. In some ways I think 'hard' SF requires less than other types of fiction, because it gives you plausible arguments for setting aside your disbelief.

    But were it not for people's willingness to set aside their disbelief in order to be entertained, we wouldn't have a whole lot of art. (Certainly there would be very little theater; how do you cope with some of the tortured plotlines common in classical theater, or for that matter, why people are standing in front of you and paying no attention to the fact that they're on stage?)

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  18. Fantasy is not Science Fiction by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of course, the border is fuzzy, but in general one could say that a work gets further apart from SF and deeper into the fantasy field when the impossibilities start piling up. A good SF story may depend on one "fact" that's considered impossible in the current scientific knowledge, for instance it may be about time travel or faster than light travel, but when the author starts depending too much on magic it becomes fantasy.


    About the singularity, my opinion is: who knows? It seems more or less like life after death, we have no sure way of knowing from where we stand today, we should just wait and see. It's a funny thing, when you start examining past predictions of SF. In one of the books in the original Asimov "Foundation" trilogy, written about 1940, there was a description of a calculator: "Seldon removed a calculator from the pouch at his belt ... Red symbols glowed out from the gray". In other words, Isaac Asimov had a calculator from the early 1970s in a book he wrote in the 1940s.


    Another funny prediction is that something very much like a search engine was predicted both in Arthur Clarke's 1975 book "Imperial Earth" and in the film "Rollerball", from the same age. But neither of these predicted the internet, both of them had a search engine running in a supercomputer that had assembled in it the whole of human knowledge.


    The point is that it's possible to predict functionality, because that's something we need and someone will invent it sooner or later. But we cannot predict when or how that functionality will be achieved. Arthur Clarke's Google was 300 years in the future, Rollerball's was in 2018. And there's more: when the scientist in "Rollerball" wants some data he types a command and the computer starts reading punched cards.


    In conclusion, I'm ready to bet we will reach that "singularity", but I don't know whether it will be in the next 30 or 300 years. And I have absolutely no idea how we will do it or what will come after.


    In some way we can say that we already have reached a point where machines are more intelligent than us. The first mathematical theorem that was proved by a machine and that humans couldn't prove was the "four color map" theorem, proved about 30 years ago, taking about a thousand hours of calculations from the supercomputers of the day.


    There was an age that ended about 150 years ago when an intelligent person would be able to learn everything worth learning in science. Today, the more we learn the more we become specialized, and the more we need machines to handle our knowledge. But I see nothing wrong with that, if a man can control a crane that lifts a thousand tons, why couldn't a man control a computer that handles knowledge far beyond the capacity of a single human being?

  19. Re:Only chance for sustainability renewable energy by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > The over unity energy technology may be quite possible.

    Sure, if you repeal the laws of physics

    Tesla was a genius, but he turned into a complete wackjob in his old age.

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  20. Welcome to Marxism 101 by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's silly of someone so smart to claim that technology has been driving social change since the mid 18th century, because it was it was less than a century later that Marx put forward the view that technology is the only driver of ideology and social change ever. He didn't call it "technology," he called it "means of production," but we recognize what it is. Seemed pretty radical to some people then; funny he now seems so right.

    Of course, Marx was different in this way: He did make one prediction about the future whose means of production were unknown to him: he thought there would be a people's revolution in which people would take control of the technology developed in the capitalist era, because of the inevitable resort to artificial scarcity that the capitalist system will increasingly have to turn to. Scarcity will need to be artificial because technology will be able to meet all the basic and many of the advanced needs of everyone in the world. Capitalism doesn't work in situations of plentitude, so there is no market for breathable air (yet). So the artificial scarcity that Capitalists will need to create will eventually get so ridiculous that people will just depose them. As far as futurism goes, I think this outline is aging rather well.

    And by the way, this is much closer to what Marx actually said than what most "Communists" claim he said. The Marx I read never advocated a revolution, resource distibution, or any of that other socialist stuff. He was a dialectician who thought that history has an inner logic and moves forward inevitably. Pleading with people doesn't move history; technology moves history. He argued pretty forcefully that Capitalism isn't the final system, but not because he was trying to stir up a revolution. It was just to convince people that it can't last, that, like every earlier technological/ideological era, it will be undone by the tools it eventually creates. So if Capitalism creates automatic strawberry harvesters because Mexicans get too expensive, and intelligent robots and fusion powerplants and workerless factories, it will eventually make the gear of it's own demise. Marx repeatedly extolled Capitalism for being so damn good at producing new technology in the most efficient way possible. It was Lenin, not Marx, who thought that a society can leap past all the stages of industrial and post-industrial capitalism and start a revolution with just an ideological vanguard. Obviously, that didn't work out. Marx was clear that technology drives ideology and not the other way around.

    1. Re:Welcome to Marxism 101 by vidarh · · Score: 2, Informative
      The Marx I read never advocated a revolution, resource distribution, or any of that other socialist stuff.

      Really? And which Marx did you read? Groucho?

      It's true that a key difference between Marx and Lenin was Lenin's insistence that a revolutionary vanguard could guide a country into socialism without a well developed capitalism - in fact Marx wrote in The German Ideology that an economy well developed enough that redistribution would not cause need as a prerequisite for socialism or "the same shit would just start all over again" (paraphrased).

      The difference being that Marx' believed that there were necessary prerequisites, and that revolution could not just happen at just any time and be successful.

      But to say that Marx never advocated revolution or resource distribution means you can't have read much of Marx' works.

      I quote, for example, from the Communist Manifesto, chapter 2:

      "The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat."

      "The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few."

      All of his adult life Marx' was actively involved in political movements agitating for revolution and redistribution of wealth. Large parts of his writings were intended as practical political work far more than any attempt at developing theory - The Communist Manifesto being the prime example, but also other text like Critique of the Gotha Programme.

      I do agree with you that there's a huge difference between Marx' careful analysis and Lenin who often took significant shortcuts in the interest of pushing forward whether or not it was the right thing to do, but that does not mean Marx' didn't want revolution. He wanted revolution at the right time, and even then because he saw it as inevitable rather than something to be desired - he expected that any attempt at peaceful transition of power when there was majority support for communist policies would still be attempted stopped by force.

  21. Re:Here's my prediction by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Funny

    People will find more ways to kill time.

    and each other

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  22. Re:Sounds like Gibson is getting old. by Cadallin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He writes what he wants, but the reason Neuromancer & Co. was amazing was because he took certain aspects of the current time and extrapolated them into an interesting future.

    I think this is the problem. Look at where we are right now. Extrapolating elements of our present into an interesting future is something many authors have struggled with. Because, quite frankly, the era we're living in is pretty dystopian. For an example: Today Congress passed the "Protect America Act" which grants sweeping surveillance powers to the executive branch with no judicial or legislative oversight. George Orwell didn't know the half of it. How do you work with that? Who is most likely to be able to other throw the totalitarian regime recent US governments have turned the USA into? The Chinese? The other great totalitarian surveillance state?

    I really disagree that there were as many issues pressing down on us in the '80's. Barring a Strangelove-esque Doomsday device, MAD was never going to really end it all. The worst issues facing the '80's were the ones that we were blissfully unaware of, or ignoring. Global Warming, Energy crisis in the next 50 years, etc. Worst case (realistic) scenario with the Cold War was the utter destruction of the major world power bases, which doesn't sound all that bad in hindsight.

    In my opinion, the best long term extrapolation from our current situation is "Earth Abides" by George R. Stewart, and its probably too optimistic.

  23. Re:Thinks I would like to happen! by |/|/||| · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unlimited energy and control of the graviton? I'm guessing that the result would be... global warfare on an unprecedented scale, resulting in either A) an endless dictatorship or B) the end of humans. Probably B, when somebody's automatic war machine turns out to be an uncontrolled chain reaction.

    Not to be too much of a cynic or anything, but I'm glad the mysteries of the universe aren't unlocked easily, and that they don't usually live up to the hype. Change is good, but sudden change is destabilizing.

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  24. maybe he's just getting older by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno, maybe it's just something that happens to you when you get older. You stop being quite so fascinated with gizmos and widgetry and start becoming interested in the "technology" of social interactions and human nature -- and that leads you straight to history and historical fiction.

    I mean, the same transition happened to me. In my 20s and early 30s I read gobs of sf and other kinds of speculative stuff. Now (early 40s) I tend to be a much more interested in history and social psychology. Not sure why.

    Maybe it's because the attraction of sf is mostly the fun of "working out the consequences" of a few mildly plausible assumptions. As in: what would happen if teleportation booths were invented? What would society be like, what would it be like to live in such a world, what other inventions would be enabled, et cetera?

    But perhaps as you get older the chains of reasoning that you use to work that stuff out start to seem flimsier and less believable, since you've seen in your personal life how often predictions of the future turn out to be self-delusional garbage. You live through the 1970s "Energy Crisis" and realize how even very short-range forecasts (of e.g. a world out of oil by 2000) can be bogus, and you start to see how easy it is to delude yourself about what the future will bring, and (which is perhaps more personally discouraging), how this doesn't deter people one whit from continuing to make and consume delusional predictions of the future.

    Plenty of sf writers at least unconsciously want to warn or enlighten readers about the probable consequences of present trends. It's discouraging in one sense to realize how wrong you were, but discouraging in probably an even greater sense to realize that no one even cares, that people lap up hard-headed "scientific" predictions of the future with about as much enthusiastic credulity and failure to critically re-evaluate when they prove wrong as they do astrological horoscopes. You might start to think: what's the point? Why think long and hard about what the future will bring if (1) I'm probably going to be wrong, and (2) no one even cares much about whether I'm right or wrong. Maybe you start to feel like a circus clown, making funny faces to make the rubes laugh. You feel like you could drop four major scientific goofs into your next book, and as long as there were plenty of crackling laser beams and mind-blowing nanowidgetry no one would care. Like you're George Lucas and you can sell a totally lame screenplay with pathetic acting, just so long as the computerized special effects are cool enough.

    If that happens, then perhaps you start to be drawn to the past, to chains of reasoning that are more solidly-based, because they terminate in the present with consequences you can directly observe. The intellectual attraction is still "working out the consequences" of assumptions about what in the past was important and led to the present we know, but you've more assurance that your chains of reasoning aren't completely cracked, because they're anchored, so to speak, at various points by historical facts.

    There is probably also some attraction in the idea that if you can understand the past in some way more consistent and believable than anything yet achieved, then you will open a unique door into predicting the future, too.

  25. Gibson's Future Ain't What It Used to Be by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gibson rewrote SF future with his revolutionary _Neuromancer_. But each subsequent book shone a little less intensely, and all in the reflected brightness of Neuromancer. _Mona Lisa Overdrive_ is really recommendable only to fans of _Neuromancer_, and _Virtual Light_ is often best left unrecommended, so as not to spoil the "trilogy". Even _Idoru_, which was good, was just an overlong novella, like part of a "Director's Cut" of _Neuromancer_.

    I've enjoyed Gibson's books since they were first published. And I've enjoyed asking him questions when he's given readings. But I haven't considered Gibson an expert on "the future", even his own that he writes about, in almost 20 years. That's a lot of past to make up for a futurist.

    Now Neal Stephenson, Gibson's literary heir: he's still got a plausible future machine running upstairs.

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  26. Fake, plastic, and surreal. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Neuromancer was very well written, but utterly short-sighted (as all futurism is. Like Cory Doctorow said, futurists only create the present, just more of it). The world he created felt fake, plastic, and surreal.

    Neuromancer is absolutely brilliant for what it is -- a dystopian critique of everything that was frightening about the 80's for those who had been adults in the 70's: Corporate mega-mergers; the captivating, numbing, spellbinding nature of television, the "Me generation," the dissolving bond of loyalty between company and employee, the increasing disregard of companies for the lives of citizens, drug use going from drugs for relaxation and communion to those for stimulation and frenzy, weakening government at the same time corporate power began to transcend borders, Japanese dominance of the markets, the transition away from natural folk music to synthetic and hard music, edgier and more aggressive fashion, body modification, alienation and the increasing fraying of social bonds, market booms and busts, the obsolescence of the average worker, etc., etc.

    You're right that "futurists only create the present, just more of it," but if you think that the world of Neuromancer was "fake, plastic, and surreal," then that's there's nothing wrong with that. That's what it was supposed to be!

    Early cyberpunk is nothing but the nightmare shadow the 1980s, and "fake, plastic, and surreal" was the dominant feeling of that era for a lot of people.

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  27. Drugs? by PhoenixOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having heard Gibson talk about his past, I get the feeling that the reason his writing style changed so much since Neuromancer is because his life got better. It's harder to write about how completely shitty the world is when you can't truly believe it.

    While I miss reading the old Gibson, I wouldn't want him to go back to that place.

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  28. He was right about one thing by gelfling · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the future authors will have 5 or 6 different good ideas and they will recycle them endlessly into an entire genre.

  29. Re:Excessive SF purity. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I would like to point out that cyberpunk's vision of cyberspace with its entirely abstract-GUI hacking and its death by security program is just as magically unscientific as warp drives and funny-foreheaded aliens.

    And in turn, I would point out that you appear to know very little science, as your entire assertion here is wrong. GUI abstraction is the basis for GUI's in general. Further abstraction is not unreasonable; I have had demos on my desktop that did quite a few things, including 3D abstractions of various types. Impractical? Possibly. Unscientific? Not even a little bit.

    Death by security program? Today on slashdot there's a story about a LED device that makes you puke. We know that electricity can kill you. Stuttering flashes can put humans into an epileptic seizure. Disjoint feeds to your eyes can disturb your orientation. Would you *really* care to say there's no way to shut you down via an interface that is connected to not just your eyes, but your ears, senses of touch, heat, and so forth, electrically, pressure-wise, heat-wise, visually, aurally? What if it can induce visions right into your nervous system, bypassing your eyes? What if it can dispense drugs? Unscientific? Hardly. Socially unlikely? Perhaps, but that doesn't make it bad scientific speculation. That just means there is an onus upon the author to create a story where we can believe such things would have come about so the work will be readable and engaging.

    These ideas are far more plausible in hard SF terms than (for instance) Trek's warp drive at this moment in science. That makes Trek lean a lot harder towards fantasy than Gibson's Neuromancer, which is what I presume you're kvetching about here. Even the AIs that Gibson postulates are still viable hard SF elements. At this point in time, we have no reason to believe, scientifically speaking, that computer AI will prove intractable in any of the forms he postulated. And it has been some years since he wrote the novel.

    Methinks you would enjoy SF more (hard or not) if your imagination was a little more informed around the edges.

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  30. Is that what he has been trying to do? by endianx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've never thought those types of books were about predicting the future. Take a book like 1984. It hasn't come true, at least not yet. But even if it isn't a correct interpretation of the future, it still serves as a warning. In fact, perhaps a small part of the reason 1984 never happened is because it was written.

  31. Re:Excessive SF purity. by Jonathan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have magical hacking tools that let you visualize hacking as manipulating a physical object, then you're wasting time with an interface that spends time interpreting data in a human-recognizable way that could've been spent just handling the intrusion. It's a waste of cycles that could be used to do something useful.

    In the early 1990s, that's what they said about object-oriented programming -- that it was a cute idea, but any real world problem would be better solved using efficient C (not C++) programming. And even that was an advance from the 1980s, when even C was seen as a waste and programs were often written in assembly language. The point is, as computers get more powerful, it's okay to waste some cycles on the human.

  32. Re:Excessive SF purity. by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I say that it does. The social sciences are important too.

    Not to hackers; not to technologists; not to users. It's an abstract, and an expensive one (look how crappy the Windows UI is trying to be everything to everyone; look how crippled linux is by being unwilling to create a standard GUI; look how crippled OSX was by pretending mice only needed one button. Complexity and abstraction aren't bad things and can be done very well.

    If you have magical hacking tools that let you visualize hacking as manipulating a physical object, then you're wasting time with an interface that spends time interpreting data in a human-recognizable way that could've been spent just handling the intrusion. It's a waste of cycles that could be used to do something useful.

    Nonsense. The more dimensions you can manipulate at once, the more complex a user input you can provide. Up to the limits of your ability to handle complex motions. As a musician and a programmer for over four decades, I didn't perceive Gibson's ideas as unlikely or overwhelming or impossible at all. Raising the level of art required? Plausible. The next generation would simply rise to meet the challenge. Watch them learn video games if you don't know what I mean.

    For instance, the Mac gives you one mouse button. You can, while doing graphics, move the mouse XY and press the button, -a, +a. A better mouse gives you two buttons. Now you can move the mouse and provide four different modifiers: -a-b, -a+b, +a-b, +a+b. Take a tablet with a couple buttons. now we have motion, -a-b, -a+b, +a-b, +a+b, and pressure. Now take an interface that gives you visual objects to manipulate in the air a'la Gibson's speculation: You can move your left hand XYZ, going from a square space to a cubic one, you can move your right hand XYZ, doubling your cubed space, and because you now have Z, the number of "buttons" you can create with stabbing motions, not to mention the sweeps and other motions you can make, have multiplied hugely. Create graphics metaphors for things to manipulate that use models of geometrics or anything else you like, and you are way into interface excellence. You can't seem to see this; but that doesn't degrade the idea at all.

    And who in their right minds wouldn't put safety locks on mind-machine interfaces to prevent any sort of direct damage? Doesn't the military specialize in built-in deadly force from claymores to infrared sighting technologies and stand off weapons? Aren't they using radar to backtrack incoming mortar rounds? Why would you NOT want these things if you have something to protect? And if the world is on the net, from the military to the governments to the corporations, then you DO have something to protect. Sure, there will be the same mommy-madness to protect you from yourself, force you to wear seat belts, take away your right to use a full power deck, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't or couldn't be such things. It is science fiction, not social fiction.

    And what military or government or corporation would not want serious deterrents to entry when the world is virtual? The only reason my own home's entries are not actual man-traps is the law that says I can't protect my own property with deadly force. Otherwise, as a programmer and an engineer, I'd have something quite clever — and quite deadly. After having had a couple of vehicles stolen, I'm all for deadly force there, too. Scientifically, it's all good. Socially - yes, mommies rule. For now.

    If an invention requires a complete suspension of disbelief about human nature to be plausible, then it's fundamentally illogical and thus bad science.

    Yeah, but if something requires YOU to suspend, but not ME to suspend, then it's just you with the problem. :-)

    Methinks you would read better literature if you didn't discount the human element entirely in your favored stories.

    Right, right. :-)

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  33. We'll Never Fly, Either by EgoWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are a number of true future predictions you can make. For instance "The future will be dissimilar to some significant number of predictions we make." It's simply a matter of having a prediction whose verbiage is inclusive enough.

    But that aside, they are doing amazing things with longevity these days; I think that betting your money on not dying is about as wise as deciding that the Atlantic Ocean would never be crossed would have been in the days of Columbus. Physically speaking there is little known reason for people to die. Why can't they replace their body forever? It looks more and more like we are biologically built to die - because evolution 'designed' us, and evolution is notoriously defective. Until we can scientifically show there is good cause to believe people have to eventually die, from a biophysical aspect, I think that the prediction of "we'll all die" holds as much water as "we'll never fly".

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  34. Re:Excessive SF purity. by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Except that it's utterly bat**** insane to provide a handy GUI for disabling your own security device to outside users -- especially a handy GUI for authentication or debugging.

    What? You think targets provide the interface to hack them? That's not how it works, not even today. Programs are compact bundles of executable code and data. Sometimes encrypted, usually not. Programs are the ultimate models of terseness, because each machine instruction represents an action by the processor. There is no "interface" to the code provided in the program or data itself. Interfaces for hacking, for instance a debugger / disassembler, are separate things, created by people who understand completely that the goal is to get into the code, and therefore they provide the graphic and other UI elements you need to do that in the most efficacious manner the authors of the debugger / disassembler can come up with - it has nothing to do with what the authors of the program being attacked had in mind, planned for, or provided except in that whatever anti-hacking they might have put in, the hacking software needs to have a counter for. If that interface took on a 3D metaphor, that's just a detail, though an interesting one and an efficiency issue for the hacker. You're completely confused about the demarcations between the roles of who is providing what interface, what code, what data, what functionality - that's why you can't understand what is being described. If the target was a corporation's site, the hacking interface wouldn't be provided by them, it'd be provided by your deck, even if the corporation defined the "normal" interface for end users. So a hacking deck, or a deck running hacking software could easily have any interface imaginable, whatever seemed to work. This is why your objections are pointless.

    Hacking doesn't work that way.

    Wrong. Hacking works any way that it works, from the utmost simplistic approach (futzing with a URL or entering data and/or command strings not specified as valid) to actually hacking the binary of the software with complete control over what machine instructions are changing, and how, and taking into account any self-validation / checksum type protection as you work. UI, again, is a matter of approach, not a matter of results. Any tool that increases the speed of visualization of the task at hand and your ability to get in there and make changes is feasible, presuming you have the computer power to pull it off. What do you think a progress bar is? It's an abstraction of a lot of things going on, letting you know things are running, how much has been done, and giving you a quick visual estimate of how much there is yet to go. This is an extreme abstraction of, for instance, how far through a dictionary attack one may have progressed. Other abstractions that could work rather than a bar might be size, shape, color, words, animations of other processes that go from start to finish (eating a sandwich, filling a bucket, hammering a nail) and so on. A 16-sided ball could be a tool for hex digit input. A 20 sided ball might be useful in due-decimal work. Etc.

    Well, yes, but that's not how hacking in cyberspace works in the cyberpunk genre. It's always presented as being more like lock-picking than being a script kiddie.

    If the full solution to a problem is known to be available in canned form, the smart thing is to use it. You may have been the "canner", or you may not. That doesn't make you a script kiddie; that makes you competent. If the lock needs picking, then you pick. If picking doesn't work, you may want to get out the C4 or simply abscond with the entire dataset in unbroken form so as to approach it at your leisure. Every time you presume that things work "just this way" you miss the entire point of hacking. I write a program, I create X to attempt to make it secure; the hacker approaches, and comes up with Y to defeat my X. Hac

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