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Amazon Invests In Dynamic Pricing Model For MP3s

NittanyTuring writes "Amazon recently closed a Series A financing deal with Amiestreet.com, a startup selling DRM-free MP3s with a demand-based pricing model. All music starts out free, and prices increase for popular tracks. Jeff Blackburn, Senior Vice President for Business Development, Amazon.com: 'The idea of having customers directly influence the price of songs is an interesting and novel approach to selling digital music.' What does this mean for Amazon's own intentions to sell music?"

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  1. Novel idea by rlp · · Score: 5, Funny

    A novel new business idea - the recording industry HATES that.

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    1. Re:Novel idea by GeckoX · · Score: 3, Funny

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      The words 'dick' and 'cock' in English are slang terms for the human 'penis', of which only males of our species have one. Further, except in the case of extreme and rare genetic defects, male humans have exactly one penis. Thus using the term 'suck my dick orcock' is illogical as both terms refer to the same male appendage.

      Unless of course you have your dick in one hand, and a cock of the avian persuasion in the other...which considering your post may be the smart money ;)

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    2. Re:Novel idea by innerweb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I may be way off base on this, but if I remember correctly, this is starting to sound like free market economics (supply and demand). As demand increases, so does price. In this case, supply for each individual song for practical purposes is infinite, so they will have to use an *adjusting* system to manage price. It solves several problems if done correctly.

      • It allows new artists to be exposed without the risk to the consumer of buying music they hate. No risk means more consumers will try it.
      • No DRM means I use the music where and when I want.
      • The market will be used to determine the price of the music. That may be the sweetest part of this deal.

      At the risk of being redundant (on slashdot?), CDs are a dead medium. They are very expensive compared to digital downloads. They force bundling of musics that are not desired by the majority of people. They are fragile (heat, nicks, etc), though better than tape. They require an immense infrastructure (compared to digital files) to distribute. They make as much sense anymore as tape or vinyl did a few years into the age of CDs.

      Those in the industry that learn how to grapple with this will survive and thrive. Those who do not, like so many other players in other industries before them, will die.

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    3. Re:Novel idea by Original+Replica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The more people who buy your song, the cheaper it should be.

      It's more or less supply and demand, but with MP3s the supply basically unlimited and almost free beyond the first copy, so cost can only fluctuate based on the demand. As demand rises so does the price. In durable goods you get a price reduction with a popular product because mass production will raise the supply and lower the manufacturing cost per unit. The amount and cost of supply and distribution can be a major factor in the consumer price of physical objects like furniture or automobiles. Supply is sort of a non-factor with digital media and so there are no production advantages to large number of units sold..

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    4. Re:Novel idea by jlarocco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I may be way off base on this, but if I remember correctly, this is starting to sound like free market economics (supply and demand). As demand increases, so does price. In this case, supply for each individual song for practical purposes is infinite, so they will have to use an *adjusting* system to manage price. It solves several problems if done correctly.

      Yeah. A bit off base. First of all, demand by itself does *NOT* determine price. There's a huge demand for water, and yet it's not very expensive. In an ideal free market price is determined by the equilibrium between supply and demand.

      Having said that, now I'm going to explain why normal supply and demand applies very, very poorly to the music industry:

      • The supply of any particular song is infinite once that song is created. The marginal cost of one more copy is $0. It's an economy of scale gone mad.
      • Personal preference plays a *huge* roll in people's decisions. Several orders of magnitude more than in other industries. To illustrate: I'd pay $5 a song for some genres long before I paid $0.01 for any "gangster" rap song. Contrast that to buying most other items, like toothpaste, or a bookshelf.
      • There's only one supplier for any particular song. If I really like the Eagles' "Hotel California", my choices are "buy it" or "don't buy it". In a "normal" industry, I'd also have the choice "Buy this other one that's practically the same thing but cheaper."
    5. Re:Novel idea by vuffi_raa · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's only one supplier for any particular song. If I really like the Eagles' "Hotel California", my choices are "buy it" or "don't buy it". In a "normal" industry, I'd also have the choice "Buy this other one that's practically the same thing but cheaper." that would be cool- if there were cheap Chinese imports of knockoff songs... hoter carifolnia and other great hits-
      seriously man- I would pay for that
  2. pissed off customers, thats what it means by fotbr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know there will be much whining about people that bought $Song for $PriceA only to find that it fell to $PriceB.

    And those that complain that $Friend bought $Song for $PriceA but now its up to $PriceC and its not fair that they have to pay more than $Friend for the exact same item

    1. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      more to the point, what is to stop me from "selling" my free versions when the band gets popular? What if I give them away?

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    2. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      more to the point, what is to stop me from "selling" my free versions when the band gets popular? What if I give them away? Er, maybe a sense of morals or ethics?

      Besides, instead of saying, "Yeah, I was into that band before the got uncool," you will be able to say, "Yeah, I was into that band before they got expensive." This is going to be a boon for frugal hipsters and poseurs.
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    3. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by omeomi · · Score: 5, Funny

      more to the point, what is to stop me from "selling" my free versions when the band gets popular?

      One could set up an entire MP3 futures trading market! You could invest in MP3's, hoping that their popularity will grow...

    4. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by yali · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As demand drives prices up, the incentive to illegally copy MP3s will increase; but large-scale infringement would lower demand. So eventually (at least in theory) the prices will hit some sort of equilibrium point. This could be a pretty interesting natural experiment.

    5. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by omeomi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Er, maybe a sense of morals or ethics?

      Not sure where morals or ethics are involved. If I buy something for one price (even if that price is $0), and the price rises, I don't see why I should be prevented from selling it at the higher price. Obviously, to be legal, I would have to delete any copies that I may have of the mp3 after I sell it.

    6. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. So you are telling me I could short Fergie? Quick! Buy 100 PUTs on "Big Girls Don't Cry!"

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    7. Re:pissed off customers, thats what it means by NittanyTuring · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One could set up an entire MP3 futures trading market! You could invest in MP3's, hoping that their popularity will grow... This is part of the site already! http://amiestreet.com/recs/buzzing/today/
  3. Won't higher prices = more piracy? by Xtravar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Won't higher prices mean more piracy? Or is that exactly what this system is avoiding?

    By nobody buying a track (which *could* mean piracy) the track's price would come down and then people would buy it?

    Wow, I think I answered my own question! This sounds pretty cool - less known music gets more exposure and more popular music gets set at a price people are willing to pay. Now, will they actually have a supply of music?

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  4. This could work really well by uncreativeslashnick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Have you ever found yourself telling someone, "yeah, I liked that song before everyone else thought it was cool." I can see this model encouraging people to explore and download and try new stuff so that later on, when the price goes up, they can brag about how they downloaded it first, for free, before it was selling for $5 a pop.

    It also might open the door for more quality indies to actually make money. People might be turned off by high prices of what the RIAA cartel marketing is pushing, and go for the cheaper indie stuff. Then again, I am probably being too optimistic, as most teenagers will pay any price for "cool"

  5. Umm read the article.... by Duffy13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who didn't, prices start a $0.00 and cap out at $0.98.

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  6. This could actually be nice for some people by Optic7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Those who prefer to listen to non-mainstream artists would get cheaper music, while those who prefer to listen to mainstream artists would pay more for it. It almost sounds like a tax on lack of musical taste to subsidize music geeks!

  7. Re:Love it by kpainter · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if they will pay me to download Yoko Ono tracks?

  8. Might this help the long tail? by Otis2222222 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see a model like this. Ever since I installed a satellite radio receiver in my car, my musical horizons have broadened significantly. A lot of the artists I hear on some of the more obscure channels aren't indexed on iTunes or even available on illegal services like Limewire. This mostly applies to older music that is out of print, or never made it to CD.

    It would be nice if there was a service like this that had just about anything ever recorded digitized and made available for download. Let the market sort out what's popular and what isn't, but give us access to EVERYTHING.

    In this day and age, there is no reason why virtually every album ever recorded isn't available to buy a digital copy of.

  9. Brilliant by harvey_peterson · · Score: 3, Funny

    The screw-you pricing of the airline industry and the crappy product of the corporate music industry.

    Can't fail.

  10. Amazon music stock market by Bluesman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who wants to start this? I'm selling options for indie band A at 35 cents a song.

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  11. Free-market piracy inflection point by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If the volumes stay low then the price stays low and the motivation for piracy should also stay low.

    As the volumes increase, the price increases and the piracy might increase.

    What is interesting is that this model possibly finds the "perfect price". So much for economic theory.

    In reality, a pirate will not buy some low-cost stuff and pirate high-cost stuff according to some built-in threshold. Once they have free piracy access to music they will use that for everything they can.

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  12. No way the Big Four go for this by Arathon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There just isn't. Because this can't possibly mean more money for them, if prices cap at 0.98. And if they didn't cap there, no one would buy the more expensive tracks from them anyway. But unless these "trail-blazing" people either forfeit all profit for themselves in order to transfer it to the recording companies, or come up with some other, novel way of incentivizing this process (theoretically, at least using a simple model, averaging 50 cents a download) which will halve their profits compared to what they get from iTunes, there is NO WAY the Big Four will go for this.

    On the other hand, maybe the simple model isn't true, and maybe popular = most everything that the average buyer buys, in which case it won't look any different to the average buyer, so except for the DRM-free part (another deal-breaker for the Big Four), why should the average buyer care?

  13. Re:I'm not willing to support copyright.... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the most part all of this bitching and moaning has nothing to do about a fair price. Lets face it, people want music, they want it for free and they want to do it legally. But like the old axiom of "fast, good, cheap. Choose 2", these three elements can never come together in a situation where it is win-win for both the listener and the musician.

    Most of the time when I see people on Slashdot talk about how things are "working out" with new music distribution models they normally forget to include the musician in the equation.

    I don't care what anyone thinks about this. An artist shouldn't be forced to tour to pay the rent. Is it hard to accept making a lifetime's wage for a few years of work? Sure. But on the other hand it shouldn't be asking too much for the artist to cover the cost of overhead for putting out music, keep food on his plate and make a bit extra without having to live in the back of an Econoline van.

    So most of the DRM/Copyright arguments has nothing to do with creativity or a society bolstered by its art. It mostly has to deal with people being greedy and not wanting to shell out for what they've taken.

    Blame the RIAA all you want, but people deserve to make a buck when they've produced something that you're willing to listen to more then once or twice.

    /rant

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  14. BRILLIANT! by scribblej · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm already working on my script to download all new music the minute it hits the service -- before it becomes popular.

    I can't wait for the madness that will hit once my script becomes popular in usage.

    (Note, I'm not actually writing such a script, but someone will.)

  15. Re:SWEET! by anaesthetica · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally! All that non-conformance pays off!!
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  16. Re:I'm not willing to support copyright.... by Dhalka226 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But the Britneys and the Metallicas of the world have gotten rich off of simplistic musical drivel which caters to the lowest common denominator

    By which you mean that your musical tastes are superior to that of the vast majority of other people.

    I don't like any Brittney Spears music, I like a handful of Metallica tunes. Nonetheless I am willing to admit that if they have a million people who want to listen to their albums and Obscure Artist G has five--regardless of whether I like his music or I feel he is the modern equivalent of Mozart--they should be making more money for it. Demand isn't a perfect metric for everything, but it seems wholly appropriate here, particularly when it is each individual's decision whether or not to give a particular artist their money.

    If they're not going to write a new album or perform for me, why should I have to pay them

    Because they have produced a good that you want. While I'm not going to go so far as the RIAA does and call it stealing, I don't see how people justify taking something without compensating the creator with specious arguments like "somebody else already paid them 10 years ago."

    If it isn't worth the price according to whatever criteria you choose to apply, don't buy it. If it is, buy it. Not only does that compensate artists whose music you like, it will work to drive down music prices or eliminate poor artists if enough people agree with you.