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Many Antivirus Tools Fail in LinuxWorld Test
talkinsecurity writes "In a public, side-by-side test conducted last night at LinuxWorld, ten antivirus products were confronted with 25 known viruses. The results were surprisingly disparate. Only three of the products caught all of the viruses; three only caught 61 percent, and one caught an abysmal 6 percent. The test, which wasn't particularly complicated, proves that there still are wide differences in the effectiveness of AV tools. A lot of people think all AV tools are the same — they're not!"
From TFA:
Kaspersky, Symantec, and Clam AV: 100% caught
FProt and Sophos: 94%
McAfee: 89%
GlobalHauri, Fortinet, and SonicWall: 61%
WatchGuard's Linux AV: 6%
And a graph of the results plus links to some of the test viruses: http://virus.untangle.com/
are viruses on linux a overflow from WINE?
What about AVG? I really love it. I've installed on both my workstations and a server (Windows). It uses minimal resources, it's fast, and it's managed to catch more stuff then Trend Micro, Symantec and McAfee.
Also, Bitdefender and Nod32 are also good for the Windows enviroment. I'm curious to how all these ranked in the Linux world.
Life is not for the lazy.
How does i/25 not equal 4*i%? Were some of the 25 viruses half-caught, or one-quarter caught?
Something seems a little strange here. With 25 test cases, and a binary outcome (either the virus was detected or it was not), the %caught should proceed in even step of 4%. There's some number massaging going on somewhere.
Hmm... the Fight Club Website lists 35 test cases, not 25. It's not clear if there is any overlap between the various test cases. In fact, there's not any discussion of the testing methodology (let alone what precisely was tested) at all. Just "here's our numbers - believe them or infect your own machine and find out for yourself".
Now, while I admire the 'do it yourself' hacker ethos as much as the next guy - this is taking it a bit too far.
For fun I downloaded an application where I suspected the "keygen" was trojanized. I was correct; the real keygen had been bundled with some, as it would turn out, Off The Shelf trojan. However, I didn't know what trojan so I scanned with F-Secure's online-engine, which didn't detect anything (neither did my active AVG installation). So I sent in the exectuable as a sample, explained what little I had to say; where I found the file, that it was pecompact2'ed, that their online scan didn't detect it. The process of submitting a file req. you to attach the scanner log.
Got the reply that "The file you submitted was found to be malicious, and is already detected as Trojan-Downloader.Win32.Delf.asz using the latest virus definitions." and "Please update your virus definition databases to properly detect the file".
Remember, I had scanned it using their latest online scanner and provided the log where the trojan was NOT detected.
So, maybe an extra warning for online scanning engines.
PS.
Shortly after I had submitted the file to f-prot, AVG started detecting it.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Nice to see opensource programs perform so well, so consistently. I only wish the author(s) maintained the ports and packages himself. The Win32 port seems a bit of an afterthought. Anyway, still a brilliant antivirus program.
(My other OS favourites include Audacity, CDex, The GIMP and OpenSolaris (you didn't expect that one coming, did you)).
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
...considering that most of the antivirus programs were tricked when a new "variant" of one of the worms back around '99 or so. So kids- just insert random whitespace into your worms!
The change? The line endings in the VBS script changed. It probably wasn't even intentional- some broken mail server probably modified CR's into CRLF's. It sailed right past Trend Micro's email scanner and infected several dozen systems.
I was the first person to notice why it slipped by, and brought it to the attention of a big-name "security expert" who ran a mailing list which shall go unnamed. He thanked us for the research, passed along my findings to the list, and then promptly went around doing interviews with the press using the first person voice. "I discovered that...", blah blah was what I read the next day.
Please help metamoderate.
Let me preface this by saying that I work in a Windows free environment. I understand that not everyone has this luxury.
Am I a bad citizen because I don't scan for Windows viruses on my Linux systems? It's almost like another Microsoft tax--you're expected to degrade your performance to prevent their victims, uh, customers (yeah, that's it) from infecting each other. Those folks need to be responsible for their own safety and not expect the rest of us to do it for them. They could start by holding Microsoft accountable and making other choices at purchasing time. To me, Windows isn't worth the hassle.
Is that a cross between drivel and drool? Maybe some gruel thrown in for flavor?
The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. - Albert Einstein
The story could have shown a list of the tested viruses verses the AV software being tested. A simple table would have conveyed a great deal more information than the druel the fellow wrote. Yes I RTFA and as I said - it is not very informative.
You RTFA and then sadly don't do any research. Why would they bother to list the tested viruses when provide the actual viruses (see "Test Set")?
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
If you suspect something is evil with your setup, you should go with your gut instincts. You are probably more right than you know.
You should get away from antivirus. Seriously. I'm going to sound like a salesman, but bear with me a bit.
Antivirus and anti-malware in general, on Windows machines, closes the barn door after every single horse has bolted. There is _no_ way to be sure your Windows computer is badware/zombieware free. To top this off, it often sucks up incredible amounts of cycles that turn the latest gamer machine into an XT.
There is something that computer labs and libraries swear by and not at: Faronics' DeepFreeze. What you do is establish a "ground state" for the machine by doing a bare metal install and then installing DeepFreeze. You then have certain areas for data that are unfrozen, but the rest is basically locked up tight.
Surf by an evil site and get a drive-by install? Laugh maniacally, and reboot. The evil bits are then...gone. The machine has returned to its ground state. To install software permanently, you must "unfreeze" the machine, install your software, and then refreeze. The refreezing can be automatic for the next reboot or specified for a certain number of reboots, like if you were doing a Windows update and have to suffer through the interminable reboots. So it also gives Windows "parental supervision" - even for the 9x machines that don't have the concept of an "administrator" account.
Evilware in the presence of DeepFreeze is about as sticky as snot to teflon. If you insist on staying with Windows, this will let you sleep at night.
I swear, Faronics should hire me.
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BMO
The charts used those damned ClearType sub-pixelation fonts in the image, which is not going to work right with many monitors since they have to be tuned per user. When I see that rainbowy tinge, at first I check to make sure I haven't drank too much c c c coffee again.
Table-ized A.I.
Not to knock Clam but there is something odd about these results (Besides the absurdly low testbed). TFA says Clam won two years ago (which meant Untangle would use it), and again now. However, just last May the results from AV-Test.org (a real trusted legitimate source) against a comprehensive testbed put ClamAV near the bottom of the heap: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2135053,00.as p
I can't help but think that Untangle is trying to justify their own choice, rather than have a real test. With a testbed of only 25-35, it is possible to pick a group of malware that can put any AV on top. Even the user submitted malware is suspect, especially when that testset is also so low. ClamAV is great against virus outbreaks, with one of the fastest signature responses, but it has pretty atrocious trojan and zoo detection, since there is not enough man-power to collect and create signatures for less prevalent and non-replicating malware.
That would mean that it's performing just as well as it does in Windows. Good work Microsoft!
For the Excel-averse, I have uploaded the Excel Results of the test to the Zoho Viewer website. So you needn't install Excel or OO. http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/edblaI
I actually do the same kind of thing. Whenever I get a new machine, I snaphot the HDD before I even boot it the first time. Then I run the auto updates from MS and snapshot it again. I then regularly wipe the machine by restoring a snapshot. (It also forces me to keep my data somewhere else that is safe.)
The only advantage of this over the DeepFreeze thing is that I can unfreeze to multiple prior states.
I think it should be a standard feature with these 100GB++ notebook drives.
All of them depend on guessing whether a file is good or bad.
All of them will have false negatives as well as false positives, most likely skewed to have fewer false positives to reduce the annoyance factor at the expense of missing real viruses - false negatives.
There are substantially better and computationally cheaper ways to protect your system than an anti-virus.
Have you ever worked in a tech department that had to support frozen computers? It turns a project that would maybe take fifteen or twenty minutes per lab into something more like and hour long. The school district that I work for used Deep Freeze on most of the desktops at the high school up until about a year or two ago. Taking DF off made it a lot quicker to make minor changes to the computers during the year, and there hasn't been any significant problems. Students and teachers are also happier with it because it prevents stuff that people have saved in My Documents (yes, the kids are told over, and over again to save to their mapped home directories - but occasionally they don't) from being wiped out.
About the same time as that we also took students out of the Admin group (I'm not exactly sure why they were in there in the first place - no apps have had any problems with it), so that mitigated any significant problems as well. We also have McAfee managed AV and 8e6 web filtering, but AFAIK its fairly rare that any viruses or malware are found on the student computers. The laptops that the teachers have(and have admin rights on) are another story. But they would whine if they couldn't add weatherbug and have five different toolbars in IE. Deep Freeze is really just a crappy way of avoiding the problem instead of dealing with it and fixing it. Students/regular non-admin users should not be able to cause damage to the OS. In a well run environment there shouldn't be tons of problems with malware. Yeah, there is going to be an occasional piece of malware that exploits a security vulnerability that could screw up the system. But it is not that hard to lock down boxes properly, with group policy and using the default Windows groups.
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Something you get if you go online. Remember, you may not be infected by a virus, but you can still spread it. Signed, Computer User
"Have you ever worked in a tech department that had to support frozen computers?"
A bit. It's a PITA, but for static setups that don't need touching and subject to "many hands" like in a library, it's not bad. Let's just say that students in a classroom are typically better behaved than many library patrons.
" Deep Freeze is really just a crappy way of avoiding the problem instead of dealing with it and fixing it."
Well, I think the problem with that lies elsewhere, probably in a place called Redmond. All this stuff is just patches upon patches to keep Windows from eating itself.
"But it is not that hard to lock down boxes properly, with group policy and using the default Windows groups."
Some would say that this should be the default, but "design and marketing decisions" prevent that.
"But they would whine if they couldn't add weatherbug and have five different toolbars in IE"
Nnnggghhh.... *puts on BOFH hat* "YOU GET THE POLICY OF DOOM! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!"
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One product, WatchGuard's Linux AV tool, caught fewer than 6 percent of the viruses sent to it. "We're not exactly sure what the problem with WatchGuard is," says Morris. "The test was set up the same way for all of the vendors."
:). My question would be which is it? Either way, my system would be compromised by either 24 or 25 viruses -- neither of which is a good scenario especially in regards to well-known viruses (according to the article no 0-day exploits were accepted).
This number quoted by the original poster missed the section in bold, it was technically < 6%, which could mean either 0 or 1 virus (funny how everything always works out to binary in some way or another
If you "catch a virus", you're infected.
"where's geoff today?",
"oh, he caught the flu"
"he caught it! nice one geoff, you managed to destroy that pesky flu & not get infected - so he's out celebrating right?"
"erm... fk off weirdo"
* Game Over * High Score: 264,846,927 -- Your Score: 14
"Either way, my system would be compromised by either 24 or 25 viruses..."
24 or 25 out of 25?
Hmmm....
Does mean that *nix is finally ready for the desktop?..Just like Windows?
Uhmm..w00t!?!?
Disclaimer: coming to you from a Feisty Kubuntu PC that is running ClamAV.
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Table-ized A.I.
Is viruses can be a bitch to remove when the system is online, since the virus can do things to fight the scanner. I see a scanner running on a lice system as preemption, not recovery. You run it to stop the virus before it can cause harm. AVG seems good at that, it seems to notice viruses right away.
If you want to use a tool like that for recovery, they way to do it is on an offline system. Either take the disk to another computer and set it up as a non-system disk, or build yourself a PE boot disc and clean it from that.
It more or less the same for any sort of system analysis or recovery for malware, hacks, whatever. Running tools on the live system is of limited use since you might get back bogus answers. You can run them to see what it going on, but when you actually start cleaning up, you need to do it from a different system, or there may be something working to undo what you've done.