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Boston Judge Denies RIAA Motion for Judgment

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In a Boston case, Capitol v. Alaujan, the defendant is representing herself, without a lawyer. Nevertheless, the Judge denied the RIAA's motion for summary judgment, which the RIAA had based upon the defendant's alleged failure to respond to the RIAA's Request for Admissions. The Court's decision (pdf) held that the RIAA had served its requests for admission prematurely, prior to the conduct of any discovery conference. The Court also noted that the RIAA had upped the ante quite a bit, trying to get a judgment based on 41 song files, even though it had originally been asking for judgment based on 9 song files. This would have increased the size of the judgment from about $7,000 to about $31,000. The Judge scheduled a discovery conference for October 23rd, at 2:30 P.M. and ordered everybody to attend. Such conferences are open to the public."

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  1. it's open to the public by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    some tips for the slashdot crowd:

    welcome the outdoors! yes the bright thing up there is called the sun. no you can't turn it off. the other people you see around you you can't just point and click on to communicate with, nor should you strafe them

    1. bathe. it is customary for members of the public to bathe, at least more than once a month
    2. wear pants. underwear is ok for life in the basement, but the general public tends to wear pants
    3. shave, if you are male. not a requirement, but a good idea if you don't have groomed facial hair. and if you are reading this and you aren't male... well, who are we kidding

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    1. Re:it's open to the public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wot's all this then? Wear trousers, y'bloody wanker. Knickers are okay for a life in the cellar, but the general public tends to wear trousers, gov'nah.

    2. Re:it's open to the public by Kineticabstract · · Score: 2, Informative
      Nah, men like fast cars, period. Men also like women who like men with fast cars, but if there were no women who liked men with fast cars, men would still like fast cars.

      I concede that much of what we do centers around whether women like it, but not everything. I present as my proof the following word:

      "Golf"

  2. yay boston by ystar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This only shows that the legal system takes notice when a Big Bad Association acts extra evil. Reporting on little wins here and there is fun, but what's needed is more serious legal action against the RIAA for extortionist practices in the first place. Sadly there doesn't seem to be enough of a reward to motivate anyone to do so yet.

  3. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, judges do not enforce, police and prosecutors do the enforcing. But that would be criminal law, and this is civil.

    The judges job is to interpret the law, as it is written, and based on past case histories.

    I do agree with your sentiment though, too many judges are trying to go against precedent and legislate from the bench.

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  4. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by Lockejaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And let's not forget the courts' all-important function of deciding whether a defendant is guilty. If all they did was interpret laws, every case would be essentially a summary judgment.

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  5. shaving is for female interest by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    women, in general, like men without facial hair. women wear lipstick and high heels for male interest, men shave for female interest

    again, considering the forum, i am not surprised you don't know this

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    1. Re:shaving is for female interest by andphi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      circletimessquare has it right, at least as far as female preference. Women prefer it (though my wife oscillates periodically on this subject), it apparently looks more professional, and the average adult male has enough angular bone structure in his face to make it readily apparent that he isn't 14.

    2. Re:shaving is for female interest by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hmm, are they born this way, or is this sexual perversion just driven by mass media, it would seem rather illogical that men and women naturally evolved this way over hundreds of thousands of years, I mean why do you consider the natural appearance of men and women so disgusting, is there something you see in the mirror that so disturbs you in the mornings.

      Considering the reply, I would not be surprised that you cant' tell the difference between you making a choice and somepne marking your choices for you, a victim of marketing, obey, buy, believe, obey, buy some more, obey, tell everyone else, buy some more, obey - So sad ;(.

      Slashdot by definition and appearance would then seem to be the home of independent thought, perhaps you might feel more at home on the juvenile, lipstick, shaver and high heels forums ;).

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    3. Re:shaving is for female interest by deftcoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Your an idiot"
      Haha, I love it.
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    4. Re:shaving is for female interest by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 4, Insightful
      So stop trying to be an ass and claim you speak for every woman on the planet.

      He said "generally."

    5. Re:shaving is for female interest by jamstar7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      women, in general, like men without facial hair. women wear lipstick and high heels for male interest, men shave for female interest

      My fiance' LOVES my beard. It's long enough to be soft to tickle her in all the right spots.

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    6. Re:shaving is for female interest by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It used to be common for a man to shave in order to continue to look young to attract a mate. After they got their mate, they signified it by growing a beard. Some Amish still practice this. It was sort of a off the market thing.

      Of course some people cannot grow a decent beard and not everyone does this for other reasons like looks. Some people lacking facial feature like strong chins and stuff grow beards to hide their percieved imperfections. A lot of things (like jobs) require people to be clean shaved too. Anyone who needs to wear a SCBA needs to shave, most medical people need to shave, food service employees need to shave, runners and swimmers do it for the drag factor and so on. There are ways around some of the need to shave things I mentioned like hair nets and stuff. In todays age, I just think it is more of a personal preference then anything unless your in a profession that would need it.

      I do believe the primary attraction comes from the youthful days where it is natural to find a mate who doesn't have a beard. Society has increased the natural age for mating for obvious reasons and all, but I think it is natural or genetics or something to be sexually attractive at young ages and learned attraction isn't easy to give up.

  6. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by E++99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    And another swing and miss. Juries, not judges, decide if defendants are guilty, and that is again criminal law, not civil law.

  7. Re:Yeah yeah yeah by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have you paid the RIAA for whistling a tune while walking down the street? No? Oh well you should be locked away for copyright infringement.

    Actually, people in that situation would be locked away for failing to pay off ASCAP, not the RIAA.

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  8. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Informative
    Wrong Wrong Wrong.

    the judicial system's very purpose is to interperate the law, and to test it in court. You have ZERO understanding of how the legal systems works if you think all judges do is rubberstamp the law.

    open your damn ears, haven't you ever heard of laws being thrown out on account of them failing to hold up in court on a consitutional challenge?

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  9. Self-defense? by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've noticed that a number of these RIAA cases have some people who are choosing to defend themselves. More than I would have imagined. I don't know the specifics of each individual motivation, but I always felt that representing yourself was somehow risky. Perhaps it's lawyers seeking to defend their business by planting the meme that 'a lawyer who represents themself has a fool for a client' -- that you can't separate your emotions from the case well enough to adequately represent yourself? If a lawyer can't represent themself, what hope does a common person have? I can understand representing yourself in a small-claims case, but against a corporation with actual lawyers?

    But if common people are representing themselves in cases against the presumably well-financed and well-lawyered RIAA, it gives me some amount of belief that the justice system is ultimately just, or basically fair, and that someone who can present their case in a basic and simple enough manner might actually win. I don't know, maybe I'm getting the wrong idea from these cases, but it gives me hope that if I'm ever summoned to court against a giant corporation, I might actually stand a chance instead of going broke even if I come out a winner.

    Does anyone else sense that a surprising number of these cases are being won by people who are defending themself? Why would it be that people are choosing to do so ( are the RIAA cases that easy to knock down ), and is it more than typical for average cases?

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    1. Re:Self-defense? by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes people will get screwed if they represent themselves. No the system isn't fair, especially in the USA where lawyers cost a fortune. Thats the reason why people defend themselves. They basically have no choice because they have no money.

    2. Re:Self-defense? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is risky, but they may feel it is worth it. Can't afford to pay the extortion money, can't afford a lawyer so go for broke. Also if the lose the judgement there is the possibility that the court will consider their financial means and set up a payment plan.

      Also the RIAA isn't what I'd call "well lawyered". They may have a lot, but the guys in these cases seem like rookies. They do some DUMB shit. Maybe the first time in the courtroom for some of them. In that case, a smart respondent might not be at such a disadvantage, especially if the judge feels sympathy for them and helps them out a bit in legal matters.

      Finally, the RIAA has really, really weak cases here. I know it's civil court and reasonable doubt isn't the standard, but even still. Their evidence is extremely shaky and their declarations full of holes. Still not a great idea to defend yourself, but you aren't up against solid evidence.

    3. Re:Self-defense? by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But if common people are representing themselves in cases against the presumably well-financed and well-lawyered RIAA, it gives me some amount of belief that the justice system is ultimately just, or basically fair, and that someone who can present their case in a basic and simple enough manner might actually win.

      What's important to remember is that the legal system is a political system, not a technical one. When push comes to shove, all the laws, case decisions, and procedures of law boil down to establishing agreement between members of a political body. (EG: a state or jurisdiction)

      When people represent themselves, a powerful force comes to play, depending on the judge - that of sympathy.

      The judge knows that people who represent themselves are disadvantaged. They are often (usually?) poor or at least, of insufficient means for their current circumstances. They are usually rather ignorant of the nuances of law and established procedure. (which, maddeningly enough, is subtly different for each jurisdiction, even within the same state)

      So, you'll typically get one of two reactions from your judge:

      1) They either pay no attention to the "pro per" status of the party, typically with a bit of annoyance that "you didn't file form 10-W at least 10 days in advance of the hearing".

      2) They bend over backwards to be "fair" as an act of sympathy.

      In my experience, here in Butte County, CA USA, where the judges are elected, I've seen a much stronger tendency towards #2 than #1. And, from a position of power, why not feel like the "good guy" when it costs you nothing?

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    4. Re:Self-defense? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe the idea was "He's defending themselves, so let the rookies take the helm, no need to waste our star lawyer on this one".

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  10. Bottom line by stox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since the defendant is Pro Se, the judge forbid the plaintiff from rolling over the defendant on a technicality, and sited another technicality to make sure. This sounds like a great judge, who believes in the spirit and not just the word of the law. I wish we had more like her.

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  11. RIAA is desperate for cash, and bad at math by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bumping up the amount in this case is not even
    enough to pay the $68K they owe in an earlier case.

    Going from 9 to 41 songs is just bad math.

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  12. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by ari_j · · Score: 5, Informative

    There were other swings and misses in both that comment and elsewhere in this thread. I haven't read any other comment threads attached to this story but I rest assured they are mostly as bad.

    What law are judges presiding over the RIAA cases supposedly making? What precedents are they ignoring or going against? Can anyone articulate these things or are we just jumping on a "judicial activism is bad and every judge is a judicial activist" bandwagon lately?

    As to summary judgment and interpreting the laws - these are orthogonal concepts. Summary judgment is simply the judge deciding that the case must come down a certain way according to the law, because there is no material fact in good-faith dispute. A material fact is one that actually matters to the case. For instance, if I have to prove that you sold me a car in order to win, it is immaterial whether the car was made in Japan.

    The idea that judges "interpret" the laws is mostly a creature of high school civics classes. Judges apply the laws to disputes between parties. The judge may do some interpreting in the process, but that is neither the judge's whole job or is it solely the judge's job.

    The criminal vs. civil issue will be dealt with in 30 other comments to this story. I'm not overly concerned about covering it here, as a result.

    The judge vs. jury divide is worth discussing. Juries decide issues of fact. That's their only real job. When a judge denies a motion for summary judgment, he is essentially saying that there is enough of a factual dispute to send the case to a jury. It won't go to a jury immediately, of course, but it hasn't lost that possibility in the future. That's what happened here.

  13. No big. by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is no big deal. Plaintiff moved for summary judgment prematurely, and the motion was denied. The case is still alive, and the parties have to meet and confer on scheduling and discovery issues. The idea is to take care of any issues on which the parties are not in disagreement before the judge has to deal with them. See Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 16.

  14. Oscillates? by cheros · · Score: 2, Funny

    Any particular frequency? (sorry, couldn't resist :-).

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  15. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by anagama · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nice summary. It is worth pointing out that judges can also perform the fact finding function juries do. This would happen when no party demands a jury. If however, one party demands a jury, then the facts will be decided by jury.

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  16. Re:When did NewYorkCountryLawer buy Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and 500 posts within 4 hours
    Obviously then it is "news for nerds, stuff that matters" to them. Not going to go into details here or look up links to use, just suffice it to say that the RIAA's efforts in both courts and trying to get laws past to fight "music piracy" has a much greater far reaching effect on the internet and technology people then just whether or not the RIAA gets to grab money from "pirates" or not. Furthermore Ray and other lawyers have gained advice and assistance from these articles as well as Ray's legal blog, so in many ways each victory over the RIAA is a victory for many Slashdotters as they have chosen sides on this as well as participated in helping to achieve a portion of those victories as Ray has acknowledged here in the past. ATM, Ray and Slashdot together are about as close to a Groklaw for the RIAA fight as there is.

    Now that I have fed the troll a bit, time for me to go feed myself something more bodily nutritious then words.
  17. Re:Newsworthy by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this news?
    I think it is better served a an example that even the poor are getting a fair shot when defending themselves from huge corporations with tons of money backing their case.

    Not only do I see this as promising, I see it as a possible assault to the RIAA style tactics. Most people wouldn't have the money to pay the settlement or the full fine so why not fight it even if you have to learn how to in the process. Worst case scenario, you have lost some time which seems to be a commodity poor people could afford as easily as rich people. If you gave up, your still losing so sweat equity is the best way around. Especially if you have the truth on your side.

    Anyways, If RIAA continues picking on people with dirty handed tactics and they keep standing up to them, The costs they cannot recover will mount and maybe even be owed to whoever they are going after. Then maybe they will stop the dirty handed tactics and some rational sense will prevail from the situation.
  18. OUTCH by crashelite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i heard the RIAA was hurting for $$ but over 9 songs? damn i wonder what they would do about the 13k my friend has

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  19. Re:Judges should ENFORCE the law, not MAKE it. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Judges should not ENFORCE the law. That's the job of the police. Judges should not MAKE the law. That's the job of the government. Judges should INTERPRET the law.

    That's how the system works. Government makes laws. They decide what is legal and illegal, what procedures are to be followed and how the other two powers are to behave in the context of the law. Under perfect circumstances, those laws are created with a balance in mind that aims at upholding the order and create a fair and balanced playing field for everyone.

    Police (or the executive in general) enforces the law. They are granted rights and privileges above those of a normal person who they are to employ within the borders of legality to enforce the laws created by the government, to enforce order and to hunt down and arrest people who break the law.

    The courts, finally, have a rather heavy load to bear. They are on one hand a safeguard for the other powers, especially the executive (so they don't overstep their rights), on the other hand it's on the court to make sure that procedures are followed and the orderly flow of the system is observed. And finally it's the court's position to decide in ambigious cases which side should be "winning". Guilty or not.

    They're not making law. They are using the laws present to interpret them in such a way that the fairness and balance created through the legislative are observed and upheld.

    At least that's the theory. That reality often doesn't match it is a given. But generally, those are the reasons those three parts exist. No single power should have all the power in its hands.

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  20. This isn't the RIAA losing anything by FreddDredd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's get real - this looks more like the judge handing the defendent a size 15 cluebat to the effect that she needs to get some legal representation urgently. She either doesn't understand the legal niceties and the rules that she *must* play by, or chose to ignore them - and she just dodged a bullet. If the judge hadn't pulled her irons out of the fire this time by pointing to an apparent failure on the RIAA side to follow the rules as well, she'd already be toast.

    1. Re:This isn't the RIAA losing anything by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's get real - this looks more like the judge handing the defendent a size 15 cluebat to the effect that she needs to get some legal representation urgently. Yes, and she needs to hire a full time driver, too. Because she shouldn't be behind the wheel because someone may think she's always doing something illegal while doing her daily driving.

      Maybe the judge is well aware of RIAA tactics and initiated the PUBLICLY PRESENTABLE discovery conference. It's one thing he can do to expose the RIAA to some degree without jeopardizing any impartiality.

  21. Re:When did NewYorkCountryLawer buy Slashdot? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Obviously then it is "news for nerds, stuff that matters" to them. Not going to go into details here or look up links to use, just suffice it to say that the RIAA's efforts in both courts and trying to get laws past to fight "music piracy" has a much greater far reaching effect on the internet and technology people then just whether or not the RIAA gets to grab money from "pirates" or not. Furthermore Ray and other lawyers have gained advice and assistance from these articles as well as Ray's legal blog, so in many ways each victory over the RIAA is a victory for many Slashdotters as they have chosen sides on this as well as participated in helping to achieve a portion of those victories as Ray has acknowledged here in the past. ATM, Ray and Slashdot together are about as close to a Groklaw for the RIAA fight as there is. Thanks.

    Point II of the Warner v. Cassin reply brief (at pages 9-10) briefly discusses the impact the RIAA's theories could have on the internet if they were to be accepted by the courts.
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  22. Re:Newsworthy by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is this news? I think it is better served a an example that even the poor are getting a fair shot when defending themselves from huge corporations with tons of money backing their case. Not only do I see this as promising, I see it as a possible assault to the RIAA style tactics. Most people wouldn't have the money to pay the settlement or the full fine so why not fight it even if you have to learn how to in the process. Worst case scenario, you have lost some time which seems to be a commodity poor people could afford as easily as rich people. If you gave up, your still losing so sweat equity is the best way around. Especially if you have the truth on your side. Anyways, If RIAA continues picking on people with dirty handed tactics and they keep standing up to them, The costs they cannot recover will mount and maybe even be owed to whoever they are going after. Then maybe they will stop the dirty handed tactics and some rational sense will prevail from the situation. Think of it as a form of grassroots organizing over the internet. It drives the RIAA crazy knowing that defendants and defendants' lawyers all across the country are starting to have almost as much information as they do about what's going on in these cases. It's harder for them to lie about it.
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  23. someone should go and take pictures by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone should go and take pictures of the RIAA people.
    That way we could find out more about them.
    Maybe make note of some of their personal habits.
    Pick up any papers they discard.
    Follow them to the parking garage and make note of make,model and tag number.
    Fein interest and start a conversation to see what personal info they give up.
    Then share it with Slashdot so we can get to know them on a too personal level.
    That way we can call or go over some sleepless night and let the RIAA share the publics lack of privacy.Or get sex.Or valuables.Or......

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  24. Re:Newsworthy by KURAAKU+Deibiddo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, even though I don't feel particularly at risk from an RIAA suit, I find it somewhat comforting to know what they're up to, and how the various suits that they've filed are faring. I continue to hope that our legal system decides not to give in to the RIAA's tactic of sue-first-and-ask-questions later, and that seems to be the case of late. I also appreciate what Ray Beckerman is doing, both with his blog and his submissions to Slashdot. Being informed is a good thing.

    Ray: Thank you for your efforts in raising awareness of these issues, you're a credit to your profession. Keep at it!

  25. not cultural at all, it's completely biological by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's called secondary sexual characteristics. it's a way for mother nature to announce that this person is ready for sex and procreation. women grow breasts, men grow beards. later, the beard grows white, the breasts sag. before puberty, there are no breasts, and there is no beard. this is the way homo sapiens has evolved to tell the other sex that we, as sexually mature pieces of fruit or not are either: not ripe/ too young, ripe/ ready for action, over ripe/ past our prime

    these are of course biological communication devices, not overt forms of human-to-human communication. as such, they bypass all of the higher faculties of the brain and communicate at a very primitive level, beyond the person's conscious control. so if one were to consciously manipulate biological sexual cues, they would be manipulating their communication with the opposite sex in a way the opposite sex has no conscious defense against. it's a power play

    women wear lipstick and rouge because women (well both men and women) flush in the lips and cheeks when they are sexually aroused. it is a way to manipulate men's interest artificially

    likewise, a sexually mature male is threatening to females, because it implies her social interaction with him will be of a sexual agenda, which she doesn't necessarily want. women are more fickle about when they want sex, as they have a more complex reproductive cycle than men, and have more to consider in terms of the implications of sexual activity (ie, having children)

    therefore, by shaving your beard, you as a male communicate to a woman's primitive mind that you are nonthreatening sexually. she lets her guard down, and lets you get closer. this is of course a primitive, subconscious manipulation, not an overt verbal one. it's subtle, but it helps, because a woman's first reaction to you upon seeing a beard is automatic sexual aversion if she is sexually uninterested, which with women is usually automatic and most of the time because of her more complex preconditions than men when it comes to sex. unless she is reproductively attached to you, then she might actually prefer a beard, as you are signally your sexual potency to her, which if you are her mate, and she felt comfortable as to her current resources and potential to have children, she would probably desire a beard on you instead

    shaving your beard is sort of like a visual castration, neutering and infantilizing yourself in the eyes of women. but that actually works as a psychosexual and social manipulation, because it allows you to get closer to women without them feeling threatened. and since it is only a trick, you are not actually sexually immature, and you buy yourself some time for the woman to get to know you, then you have a leg up on the male competition if the competition doesn't shave

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  26. Shaving is for WARRIORS by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    It has nothing to do directly with sex appeal.

    Warriors shave their beard and cut their hair short so that, in hand-to-hand combat, it is hard for opponents to grab their hair.

    (Of course, many chicks go for warriors... or the warrior "look.")