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The CD Turns 25 Today
netbuzz writes "Seems like only yesterday to those of us of a certain age, but the CD turns 25 today. Philips, maker of the first CD on Aug. 17, 1982, estimates that more than 200 billion have been sold since. The younger set might have trouble appreciating the difference in auditory quality that the compact disc represented over vinyl or cassette tapes (some have probably never even seen a record). And all but true trivia buffs will have trouble coming up with the name of the artist on that first disc."
Happy Birthday Compact Disc! Now wheres my isolinear optical chip I was promised by Star Trek?!?!?!
-- Josh
"Whoopie! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but that's a long one for me!" - Pete Conrad
He also forgot the part where they re-released a few new or live tracks on a disc just to make the die hard fans buy into another medium. That kind of practice really makes me sick. Of course, we're doomed to see it repeated until the end of time in the name of making another buck.
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I remember when they released. I commented something to the effect of "Bah, perhaps for classical music they'll be great but for stuff like Motorhead or Slayer? Why? So I can say 'this is the cleanest distortion around?'
Boy was I ever wrong. I still miss the large album covers and inserts from the LP days. Other than that vinyl is dead to me.
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Judging by the lack of Philip's logo on most (if not all) music media sold today (due to the inclusion of DRM efforts violating the standards), I'm not altogether sure CD-DA has lived long enough to reach 25.
I can't believe the artist that was first recorded on CD. What, were the Bee Gees unavailable? And now I've got one of their damn songs going through my head. Damn you first CD trivia!
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i wonder what percentage of cds released 20-25 years ago actually work nowdays :)
I always thought of CDs as new and cool when I was growing up, I didn't realize that they're only slightly younger than I am (I was born in Feb of 82). It's kind of ironic though that in the last 5 years I've bought way more vinyl records than I have CDs.
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Cue the vinyl fanatics who will whine about how "warm" their vinyls sound
Don't worry. I think I've managed to kill tham all.
Maybe CDs are more scratch resistant than LPs (which isn't saying much), but they're still ridiculously fragile. Maybe music piracy wouldn't be so prevalent if CDs were more durable. I know that I hesitate to buy CDs because I don't want to spend 15-20 bucks on something that could end up being worthless in 6 months if I don't treat it with extreme care.
I'm 25 today too. And before anyone says it, yes I know this is off topic.
I may be a bit wrong on this but I remember UK show tomorrows world covering the CD before it was launched, they showed how you could scratch the surface with metal pads and it still played. IIRC they had a Dire Straits album on display next to it (though not necessarily the first CD). It took me a while to get my first CD player (my parents had had one for a few years), I think it was around 1994 - which happened to be a 2x SCSI CD-ROM drive for some PC work I was doing. The CD needed inserting into a cartridge first before you could put it in the drive. I remember friends with HI-FI CD players were amazed at the track seek time I had (practically instant) - I had to remind them that this was optimized for read access, 4-5 seconds they were experiencing would kill it for PC applications. I also experimented with ripping, but soon stopped as my hard drive space was an order of magnitude smaller than the CD, and compression consisted of re sampling at 12Khz 8bit if I wanted to play about with loops and do silly things off the hard drive, no MP3 (that I knew of or had software to process) for me in those days. It was only a year or two later that as a student I could afford a CD HI-Fi sperate unit (and amp, and speakers) of my own. Within another 2 years I had a 2x CD burner - then the fun really started. :-)
Now a days people are so confused by so many warring, deliberately incompatible media. CD-R, CD-RW was one schism, that looks trivially comprehensible compared to the acronym soup of DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD-ROM, etc. Then the HD/Bluray war.
People eschewed Betamax, the memory stick, the mini-DVD all Sony offerings. One would think people really understand the need for open standards, supported by multiple vendors, all fighting to get your business and thus delivering all the glorious things free markets and competition are supposed to deliver. But when Microsoft deliberately muddies the waters by confusing the "choice among vendors and products" with "choice in standards" people don't reject it summarily.
May be because hardware is tangible and people get a feel and they have demanded and obtained complete interoperability in brake fluids, car tires, radios and garden hoses, they expect the same in electronics. It would take a while before the consumer understands the similar need for fully open standards for software too. Till then MSFT will continue to rake in , wait a minute. When did I go so off topic?
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The CD is 25 years old, yet my parents still refer to every recording (audio, video, digital or not) as a "tape." They also refer to all acts of recording as "taping."
:-(
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I was working at a Lazarus department store that fall in '82, in the stereo/camera department (remember when there was a Camera Department?) when we go our first CD player.
It was included in a new Fisher 100watt component stereo system right across the aisle from me. I remember the only CD's the salesman had to sell, or demo, were classical music.
I also remember watching the salesman carefully take one our of the jewel case, by the edges, show it to all of us carefully - then drop it on the floor and STOMP on it.
My boss nearly Shat himself. It played fine.
OT: That same Fisher 100watt system - we took the audio output line off the back of an Atari 800 (we sold 'em then for $699, I believe) and ran it into the stereo in an AUX input.
Fire up Star Raiders, and crank up the bass. Kids would come running in from the mall *downstairs* to watch and play.
I sold a *lot* of Atari computers that winter...
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The story I've heard in reference to the creation of the CD and have always found fascinating is about the 74 minute length. For those who haven't heard it already:
Apparently (so the story goes), the discs were originally designed to hold 60 minutes of music. But the VP of Sony decided this was unacceptable, since it would not be long enough to allow uninterrupted playing of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony without a disc change -- the piece as usually performed is a little less than 1:15, or about 74 minutes.
According to Wikipedia, there was probably more than just a love for classical music in here; the demand for 74 minutes as opposed to 60 (which necessitated 120mm discs instead of 115) was strategic. Polygram (one of Sony's major competitors) already had an experimental facility set up to make 115mm discs, Sony didn't, and therefore it was advantageous to force 120mm in order to start the playing field off level.
Still, I've always gotten a kick out of the idea that the now-standard size of the CD (and DVD, and BluRay/HDDVD) could have been influenced by a piece of music written in 1824.
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Actually, there's a bit of truth to that (and ditto on valve amps). Transistor amplifiers, and digital electronics also, suffer from a phenomenon known as "clipping" if you give them too large an input. (For an amp, that would be the at the amp's input, for digital, it would be during the conversion to digital process, if the input peaked over the ADC's max input, or during processing which causes the sample's value to overflow).
If you take a decently powerful headphone amp (decently powerful - most headphone outputs on devices are very weedy), and plug its output into the line level input of another device, say, your soundcard, then playback the audio, it sounds like crap. Clipping is very harsh to the audio, and just sounds so bad. (People should do line-level checks as well - you can clip on those, but it's harder to come up with a decent demonstration).
Or, take an MP3 or other audio file on your computer, and open them in Audacity or other audio editor. Simply apply the "Amplify" effect to 200%, then listen. A mess - you may be able to make out what's happening, but it sounds just plain bad. Unfortunately, a lot of MP3s are apparently created like this... people don't seem to know how to rip CDs, so do the D/A/D thing without properly setting levels.
Valve amps, and vinyl don't clip when subjected to out-of-bounds input. Instead, they distort (which is why good guitar amps are valve based). This distortion makes the audio less accurate, but still much more pleasing to the ear. (And some argue that when it's distorted properly, even better). That's why valve amps are almost always in the power amplifier section (never preamp - the input levels to a preamp tends to be fairly standard (line-level, minding above)) - the preamp can easily overload the power amp inputs, which should trigger the distortion. If there are transistors in front of the tubes, they must be set so they don't clip before the tube distorts, or it's all for nought.
(In vinyl, the distortion comes because the needle cannot move very far before it impacts the neighboring grooves).
Alas, the vast majority of people don't actually configure their hardware correctly.
No one has pointed this out, but early CDs actually sounded like shit. They were WAY under compressed so the noise of the signal path was very significant. Also, they were mostly encoded at the studio in 16 bit, so mulitiplies and stuff going on in the mastering process (most were mastered on analog equipment but there was a required digital transfer to the master). The early CDs I heard in the mid 80s were really trashy. Better than tapes, but not as good as records on a decent hi-fi. This was pretty much common knowledge amongst people who liked music. The real selling point, and what made me get on eventually, was the random track access. That was huge, and I believe that is really what made the CD take off.
Interestingly, there was a kind of golden-era of CD sound in the late 90s when we had high dynamic range mastering equipment, before the loudness war pissed it all away in a hail of clipping.
I think Klaus Schulze's "Dig It" deserves an honorable mention as the first *truly* digital CD: performed on digital synthesizers, recorded and mastered on digital tape. Nothing analogue until you popped in your player! Nifty. (Cool CD, too.)
Anyone care to guess how many of these wre AOL coasters?
The most surprising thing I discovered during the mid-90s (before recordable CDs were ubiquitous) was how good metal tape with DBX or Dolby C could sound. The biggest revolution brought about by CDs wasn't at the home side, it was at the production side. Pre-CD, bass was arbitrarily rolled off to reduce the cost of making records and increase the capacity of a typical LP (low bass = wide grooves = reduced LP play time, loud bass = deep grooves = thicker records = increased manufacturing cost). It wasn't COMPLETELY universal (as rap/dance 12" singles showed), but for all intents and purposes, it was just the way mainstream records were mastered. As a result, mainstream home audio systems couldn't handle bass, either (remember the sudden appearance of subs and satellite systems almost overnight circa the mid-80s?) Because they couldn't handle bass, and to reduce mastering costs, cassette tapes had the same eq curve applied, and were bass-free as well.
I still remember the favorite album of my childhood -- the Star Wars Christmas Album ("Christmas in the Stars", which, ironically, had Jon Bon Jovi (still a teenager) as its lead singer). At the time, I had no idea why it sounded so incredibly good with headphones on my Dad's stereo, but it did. Unlike the rest of my records, it almost felt like you could reach out and touch the music. It was a feeling I never experienced again until almost a decade later, when CDs were a few years old, and DDD mastering became the high-end norm. For Christmas in 1999, my parents bought me a copy of the newly-(re-)released "Christmas in the Stars" CD (my original record was destroyed by Hurricane Andrew... or more precisely, my parents' disinterest in trying to salvage what to them was just an old record that got wet and moldy along with everything else in the living room). Anyway, it was from reading the cover notes that I finally realized *why* the original album sounded so incredibly great: it was digitally-mastered almost a *decade* before most professionals had even *heard* of "digital mastering".
Hmmmm. The real reason early CD's were dissed by audiophiles is because the CD's had the "harsh" sound. Original audio masters were mixed to make up for the extreme deficiencies of vinyl. When CD's came out these masters were transfered directly to the digital domain with no compensation at all. These early CD's sounded awful because all the enhancements for vinyl were not removed (not because of 16 bit transfers). This "harsh" sound of CD's was the largest complaint by audiophiles. No doubt because LP's have a long roll off of high frequencies (compensated for in the master) where this "harsh" sound comes from. LP audiophiles jumped all over this and some of the less intelligent ones today still hold LP's are better because of this early effect that has long ago been fixed.
Once masters were re-mixed for true fideltiy there is no LP in the world that can compete with CD's. Even a 16 bit transfer of a master properly re-eq'd blows away the earlier vinyl based master.
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the difference in auditory quality that the compact disc represented over vinyl or cassette tapes
There has been much argument about whether CDs or vinyl sound better. Here's some actual facts.
Essentially, the vinyl fanatics are correct that a vinyl record will sound better under ideal circumstances than a CD. But making (and keeping) circumstances ideal takes time, effort, and money. In circumstances any more than marginally below ideal, a CD will sound better. Unless you're in the most extreme two or three percent of audiophiles, you're better off with CDs. That's why CDs won, and that's why they deserved to win. I'll keep my record player and my vinyl collection, and I'll tell you how much better vinyl can be than CDs, but CDs are indisputably the right choice for most usage.
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I'm 40 and I owned a record player, an 8-track, and a tape player. I didn't even buy a CD player until around 1990. SO BFD to all the wannabees out there who think they're cool just because they've seen a record. I've walked through the 8-track jungle, baby.
The Phillips engineer they quote keeps saying over and over again how CDs took off because they were designed openly by companies sharing ideas. Goes to show why the FairPlay/PlaysForSure/etc. du jour don't take off (CDs are still more popular than downloads).
And the song was "Compact Disk Killed the Cassette Tape Star".