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Cookbook For Third-Party Apps On iPhone

a_skripko suggests this easy step-by-step procedure for adding third-party applications to an Apple iPhone. While the article claims "this procedure can be performed by the average user," it might at least have to be an average user with no fear of the command line.

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  1. Fear the dot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "While the article claims "this procedure can be performed by the average user," it might at least have to be an average user with no fear of the command line."

    Oh yeah! Linus will not have a problem with this.

  2. I'll wait by Merritt.kr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think I'll just wait until another iPhone type phone comes out. The openmoko, or something along those lines. Because something else with touchscreen and video and etc WILL come out, and I have no doubt it will be better, considering how many people are p.o.'ed about the restrictions on the iPhone (like 3rd party apps, restriction to AT&T, etc). Just a matter of time.

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    1. Re:I'll wait by man_ls · · Score: 4, Informative

      HTC P4550 Kaiser

      I'd argue that it is equal to or better than the iPhone...it's like the 8525 on steroids (AT&T is rumored to be getting it as the 8925 this year.)

      Quad-band GSM/GPRS, also includes UMTS and HSDPA versus EDGE Only for the iPhone, means you'll be able to access the Internet and pretty quickly as well.
      Windows Mobile 6 Professional versus Proprietary for the iPhone, means you'll have no trouble finding a ton of third-party applications that'll run out of the box.
      Transflash slot versus Internal Hard Drive...the iPhone might win this one, the largest Transflash card I've found anywhere is 2GB and that was very expensive. But you can carry multiple ones around with you without much of a problem.
      3MP Camera with Autofocus, an actual camera with optics.
      + a front VGA camera for video calls.
      and finally, built-in GPS + Google Maps for WM6 to allow you to do the iPhone "local businesses" thing.

      Only difference is this one has a flip-out keyboard...it's about as powerful as a 2002-era consumer PC, and those are functional for almost everything.

    2. Re:I'll wait by WPIDalamar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't even take a picture and download it to my computer without paying my phone company, I don't expect any phones to become truly open anytime soon :(

    3. Re:I'll wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I think I'll just wait until another iPhone type phone comes out."

      That's where the half price, linux os'ed chinese knock-off's come into their own ;)

    4. Re:I'll wait by njfuzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the fallacy of the feature list. The iPhone, when it is great (it isn't always) isn't great just for what it can do, but for how seamless it makes doing it. The interface, not the feature. The copycats will look better on paper, and totally miss the point.

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    5. Re:I'll wait by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jeezly crow. How big is this thing?

      I'm sure my tailor could sew a pocket into my pants that's big enough to hold my Dell D420 laptop, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

    6. Re:I'll wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get the idea that it is big?

      From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone.

      That would make it SMALLER.

    7. Re:I'll wait by man_ls · · Score: 1

      About the same as the iPhone, honestly. It runs $850 unlocked retail, though, but it's arguably more functional for that price than any locked proprietary phone could be.

    8. Re:I'll wait by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Transflash slot versus Internal Hard Drive

      Neither of which the iPhone has (its file system is in flash memory).

    9. Re:I'll wait by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed... after Googling it, you're right, it does look like a pretty nice phone, and only about 50% heavier than the iPhone.

      But it's a phone for phone geeks, not Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine. WTF are all those tiny hieroglyphic icons all over the screen?

      And for that matter, what's up with the name? "HTC P4550 Kaiser"? Is that a cell phone, or something that requires State Department approval to export to non-NATO countries?

      The comments that point out that the iPhone is more than the sum of its bullet points sound like excuse-making and back-pedalling, but they're not. They're 100% on target. If the Kaiser hardware were available with anything like the iPhone's OS, I'd probably be willing to pay $2000 for it. As it is, if I bought an HTC P4550 Kaiser, I'd just be buying one more gadget full of features I'll never remember how to use.

    10. Re:I'll wait by toleraen · · Score: 1

      For MicroSD, 4GB are available online, and 8GB were announced a few months ago. I picked up a 2GB for ~$40 several months ago.

      And the 8525 can already do everything the iPhone can do, minus the touch screen. The iPhone does bring a better interface (HTC's TouchFLO being a response to this), but the 8525 has a lot more functionality. I dunno if I'd call the Kaiser a Hermes on steroids, there aren't a whole lot of upgrades. The Hermes already has GPS onboard, but it's physically disabled. The only thing they really added was 128MB for the rom, 64MB for RAM, and a flip up style keyboard.

      Still a nice device for sure, but nothing (as an 8525 owner) to get real exited about.

    11. Re:I'll wait by shmlco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It doesn't work if you have to explain it. Some people instinctively grok elegance... and others don't. It's as simple as that.

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    12. Re:I'll wait by Guy+Harris · · Score: 3, Informative

      From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone.

      That would make it SMALLER.

      Except that the iPhone doesn't have a hard drive; it has flash. The specs for the HTC P4550 say it's 59x112x19 mm, 190 g with battery. The specs for the iPhone say it's 61x115x11.6mm, so the iPhone is a little longer and wider and a little thinner, and it weighs 135 g (and the battery's attached to the motherboard, so presumably that's "with battery"), so the iPhone is a little lighter.

    13. Re:I'll wait by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows Mobile 6 Professional versus Proprietary for the iPhone...

      "Proprietary versus Proprietary"? I don't get it; what's your point? Unless I'm reading it wrong you just repeated the same word twice.

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    14. Re:I'll wait by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Informative

      From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone. That would make it SMALLER.

      Kangaroos don't have dorsal fins, Chevrolets don't run on kerosene, and iPhones don't have hard drives. Other than that, yeah, I see your point.

      iPhone weight: 140 grams
      Kaiser weight: 192 grams
      iPhone volume: 94185 mm^3 (115x63x13 mm)
      Kaiser volume: 114840 mm^3 (110x58x18 mm)

    15. Re:I'll wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this some sort of subtle humour ? You are aware that the iPhone does this, right ? No charge...

    16. Re:I'll wait by njfuzzy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have an iPhone, and I can get my photos onto my computer for free.

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    17. Re:I'll wait by man_ls · · Score: 1

      "Physically disabled" -- it's harder than just reflashing to fix that, I imagine?

    18. Re:I'll wait by toleraen · · Score: 1

      Yeah. There are radio roms available that would enable the GPS. However, there are numerous problems enabling GPS on it.

    19. Re:I'll wait by Afecks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like religion.

    20. Re:I'll wait by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what his point is, but if you're going to go with something proprietary, far better to go with Microsoft's standard in most cases. They have, in general, more leverage.

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    21. Re:I'll wait by toleraen · · Score: 1

      It helps to may more than the activation fee when you buy your phone. Anything other than a crap feature phone allows you to do this.

    22. Re:I'll wait by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's a phone for phone geeks, not Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine. WTF are all those tiny hieroglyphic icons all over the screen? At $500, the iPhone is also not a phone for Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine.
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    23. Re:I'll wait by m2943 · · Score: 1

      The iPhone interface is very nice. But the best interface doesn't help me if the thing just doesn't do what I need my phone to do, and it doesn't.

    24. Re:I'll wait by dr00g911 · · Score: 1

      Um, what phone do you have? A synch is a synch and an email is an email.... both free.

      The iPhone isn't a cure for cancer, but it's a damned nice phone, with reasonably priced data plans (comparatively speaking).

      I can't think of one where you'd be paying for sending a photo anywhere, much less your own PC over a synch.

      --d

    25. Re:I'll wait by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was (sarcastically) making the point that, as far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    26. Re:I'll wait by torxic · · Score: 0

      Nokia N800 Internet Tablet

      +Official linux support (Based on debian)
      +800x480 Resolution
      +Long battery life (2 weeks standby, 6 hours active use)
      +Mozilla-based browser (Runs youtube and other ajax sites well)
      +Just USD329

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800

    27. Re:I'll wait by arachnoprobe · · Score: 1

      I'm sure my tailor could sew a pocket into my pants that's big enough to hold my Dell D420 laptop, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea. You don't need a tailor for that, Scottevest (http://www.scottevest.com/) has a jacket with all you need :). Even normal "big" gadgets don't bulge your pockets, but it even has a 15"laptop-sized backpocket in the "TACTICAL 4.0 Jacket".
    28. Re:I'll wait by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      You can probably run NetBSD on either of them. But since the display is proprietary on both, you can only get to the /bin/csh (or /usr/pkg/bin/bash if you install the package) prompt by hard-wiring a VT100 terminal. Most people don't want to carry around a VT100 to connect to their cell phone with a UNIX command prompt.

      (the above method is the only way of running NetBSD on certain Powerbooks)

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    29. Re:I'll wait by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some people 'grok elegance' on different levels. I grok the elegance of the ergonomic design of my electric wire-wrap gun and an OK Industries cut-and-strip wire wrap bit.

      You go ahead and 'grok the elegance' of slick shiney consumer stuff if that's your thing.

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    30. Re:I'll wait by doctormetal · · Score: 1

      I was (sarcastically) making the point that, as far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS.

      Both are proprietary, so what? Will an open OS make it a better phone? Probably not.

      The big advantage of a windows mobile device over an iphone is that it is easy to run third party apps (without having to hack your device).
      It is also very easy to develop your own software for WM 5 or 6 using the .net compact framework or just plain C++.
    31. Re:I'll wait by CelticLo · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Agreed... after Googling it, you're right, it does look like a pretty nice phone, and only about 50% heavier than the iPhone."
      That's funny because it's only 27.1% heavier than the iPhone.

    32. Re:I'll wait by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I would try a simple experiment.

      Take an iPhone and a HTC Kaiser, put them side by side, and see which one is more fun to use.

      If you're anything like me, the iPhone absolutely crushes everything else out there in terms of design appeal.

      You can say that shouldn't matter, that raw features are more important, but certainly it's hard to beat the enthusiasm surrounding the iPhone.

      You can get a Chinese iPhone knockoff that allegedly runs Linux, and therefore has third party software development. It has a removable battery and works on any carrier, and if that pleases you, enjoy it. But I think the overwhelming majority of people will enormously prefer the real thing.

      Play with the iPhone for a few minutes and you will see the colossal effort and massive numbers of man-hours that went into creating its software. Every second of those 2 1/2 years of development shows up on the screen.

      Maybe some people go too far in their iPhone worship. But it really is an incredible device. Nobody's going to beat it unless they write a new OS from the ground up, and it would take years for that to happen.

      D

    33. Re:I'll wait by sirshannon · · Score: 1

      I gave up on waiting for the Kaiser to come to AT&T (I currently have the Cingular 8125 / HTC Wizard, the Kaiser's grandfather) and bought an iPhone yesterday, but I think I can answer a couple of your points:

      1. the Kaiser is (was) the codename, the HTC version will be named the P4550. Like Longhorn was for Vista. When released by AT&T, it will be called the "AT&T Tilt".

      2. you wouldn't forget *how* to use any feature on the Kaiser, the OS isn't difficult mentally. Physically, yes. Although it makes many features available via fingers & big buttons, many of the features still require the keyboard, the stylus, or some very small and precise fingers. And it is nowhere near as nice to look at. BUT... for things like Google Maps, you're gonna have a version that looks almost as good, is as easy to use (other than the 2-finger zoom functionality that the iPhone has) and is better in some ways (like onboard GPS integration and the mysterious missing "hybrid" view on the iPhone's google Maps software. Not sure why Google left that out, they included it in the Windows Mobile version a year ago).

      3. $2000 is too much. But without a 2-year contract, the AT&T Tilt is probably going to cost more than the iPhone. Ouch. Or you can order the P4550 for as low as $850! ouch again.

    34. Re:I'll wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow.... been a fanboi long? Come on. A fun interface is a great selling point, and really matters for about 2 days. Even a mediocre interface becomes second nature at that point, and then its the features that matter. When you want to install some cool new software on it at day 3, and the guy who took 2 days and now navigates his phone just as fast as your iPhone can actually install it, and you get to stand there thinking "but I can get my information in 5 clicks instead of 6 because I went with Apple", you can think about that wonderful interface.

      Yes, Windows Mobile is proprietary, but it has a well documented API that is mature, and MS has a development environment for it (there is probably even an "express" version of VS that is free as in beer, there are for most other purposes), and there are thousands of third part apps out there for it... I personally love MAME on my PDA... I think it would be wonderful to have that on an iPhone.... it might eventually happen, but there are thousands of folks writing apps for windows mobile. Hell, I'd even take PalmOS over this.

    35. Re:I'll wait by grrrgrrr · · Score: 1

      I think you do not understand what an iphone is. It is like not understanding what an ipod is when you compare it to other mp3 players that may have more features like a fm radio for example. Look for example here. http://dotnetaddict.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/ip hone_competitors.htm

    36. Re:I'll wait by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lets not arbitrarily assign income levels or spending limits to generic references to the common man/woman. Is there a special name that better fits the average middle class American?

    37. Re:I'll wait by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just me, but I'll take something great over something mediocre any day. I suppose that's why I'm a fanboy - I appreciate that Steve Jobs, while a flawed human being like the rest of us, at least tries to achieve greatness.

      Microsoft achieves acceptable mediocrity in all its products, and I find it sad that's what the world seems to want.

      All I need as a phone application is ssh, so I can get to my web server in case of emergencies or just to tinker. ssh appears to have finally been introduced, so it's about time for me to finally get my iPhone.

      I'm looking forward to it.

      D

    38. Re:I'll wait by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "I was (sarcastically) making the point that, as far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS."

      Developers are better supported on Windows Mobile. You'll have trouble getting your sarcasm across to everybody that knows that.

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    39. Re:I'll wait by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Will an open OS make it a better phone?

      You're talking to a guy who's eagerly awaiting the (phase 2) OpenMoko. So, yes.

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    40. Re:I'll wait by shmlco · · Score: 1

      You think that's a putdown because most "slick shiney consumer stuff" is, in fact, junk. True elegance is rare in that realm, but Apple has a way of putting all of the pieces together.

      And perhaps, more importantly, what to leave out.

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    41. Re:I'll wait by DudeTheMath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to a G..GP, the respective weights are 190g and 135g. My calculator says that ratio is 1.407..., which looks a lot like the Kaiser is about 41% heavier, closer to 50% than the 27% you assert. If you have different specs, cite 'em.

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    42. Re:I'll wait by quitte · · Score: 1

      You already can buy a truly open phone at http://www.openmoko.com/ .

    43. Re:I'll wait by JambisJubilee · · Score: 1

      Windows Mobile 6 Professional versus Proprietary for the iPhone

      Yeah, I love the fact that Windows Mobile 6 Professional isn't proprietary.

    44. Re:I'll wait by LKM · · Score: 1

      Because something else with touchscreen and video and etc WILL come out, and I have no doubt it will be better.

      I guess that depends on your definition of "better." Will another phone make it easier to install apps? Sure. Will it run on other providers? I guess. Will it have a multitouch screen? Probably not. Will it have the polish and attention to detail the iPhone's UI has? Most certainly not.

    45. Re:I'll wait by LKM · · Score: 1

      It's not religion. It's just a mix of taste and different priorities.

    46. Re:I'll wait by Merritt.kr · · Score: 1

      I actually happen to agree with you. Hence my attitude of "Why did they have to mess up a few things that ruined an otherwise great phone/tech toy?" The interface seems brilliant... but not being able to customize what you do with it, or who you do it with... that really sucks.

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    47. Re:I'll wait by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS."
      Proprietary yes. Open no.
      You can get a lot of Windows Mobil apps and install them without hacks. Not so with the iPhone yet...

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    48. Re:I'll wait by LKM · · Score: 1

      Could be a lot of reasons. My guess is that they simply didn't have enough time. Apple actually had to delay Mac OS X because they moved engineers to the iPhone (of course, that's their story, but I doubt they'd use that excuse if it wasn't true). What's more, shipping an SDK is a ton of work. The software I work on has an SDK, and we don't actually keep it compatible between major versions of the software, but even so, documenting everything is a tremendous amount of work. And I think Apple would also want to ship a toolchain.

      My guess is that an SDK will come, but that Apple simply doesn't have the resources and the priorities to make it happen right now.

  3. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just works!

  4. A (much) better step-by-step at Macworld by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:A (much) better step-by-step at Macworld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  5. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone has an app that can make a phone call?

    1. Re:Great! by Evenstone · · Score: 1

      Good question, considering that all the AT&T iPhone plans come with unlimited data (think VoIP).

    2. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Anyone has an app that can make a phone call?


      No, but I'm developing voice plugin for the iPhones SMS application. That way one could have kind of almost realtime audio chat.

    3. Re:Great! by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      It seems, though, that one of the pointed reasons for the 'closed' design of the Iphone is to prevent people from running VoIP apps.

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      Microsoft says legacy (serial/parallel) ports are bad. They don't obfuscate the hardware enough.
  6. careful by wannasleep · · Score: 4, Informative

    The danger here is that an iphone update could wipe out not only your changes, but also your ringtones, your address book etc. The reason is that the software update performs an integrity check. If the check fails the update reinstalls the operating system.

    It happened to me, but I expected it. A "regular" user may not appreciate.

    1. Re:careful by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

      The thing to remember first and foremost their concern is maintaining the integrity of the iPhone as it was designed. Part of the issues with doing the reload is to avoid a tech support call when their shareware app isn't compatible with the changes in the iPhone OS. If you're after an open source product iPhone isn't it and it's not likely it ever will be. I'm sure eventually they have a SDK and encourage some third party development but it'll never be a tinkerers device. It does a great job at what it was designed to do. If it isn't what you want or need find something that suits your needs. I really think the third party app issue is overblown. No one is dropping $500 to $600 on a phone that doesn't do what they want but they hope down the line additional apps will be available. I decided to wait because I just got a service contract and I couldn't wait for the iPhone. I'm really waiting for the next generation because I want twice the memory and I want a movie function added. When they release the second genration I'll be happy to buy my way out of the contract. The fact it doesn't quite suit my needs but the next generation should softened the blown of not being able to wait.

    2. Re:careful by sirshannon · · Score: 1

      "No one is dropping $500 to $600 on a phone that doesn't do what they want but they hope down the line additional apps will be available."

      that is definitely not true. You meant "I am not dropping... I want but I hope..."

  7. Cookbook? by ZachMG · · Score: 0

    I know it blends, but you can't breathe the dust and it must be quite crunchy.

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  8. iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by landonf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine how valuable a smart phone is as a malware target: it's carried on your persons, has access to your home and office, it's always always on, has direct internet connectivity, a decent camera, sensitive microphone, and a great deal of your personal information.

    Given the value of this target, why on earth are people installing random binaries on their iPhone when they have absolutely no way of ascertaining whether they can trust the original provider of said binaries?

    Writing malware is not particularly difficult when you have a good SDK. The iPhone is, for most purposes, a fully functional and familiar UNIX environment, and the APIs necessary to build a SpyPhone are not a secret. Given the lack of insight the average user will have into the operating system on a handheld device, they'd likely never know of an infection.

    While I *very much doubt* we'll ever see a mass malware infection, users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.

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    1. Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Given the value of this target, why on earth are people installing random binaries on their iPhone when they have absolutely no way of ascertaining whether they can trust the original provider of said binaries?

      Writing malware is not particularly difficult when you have a good SDK. The iPhone is, for most purposes, a fully functional and familiar UNIX environment, and the APIs necessary to build a SpyPhone are not a secret. Given the lack of insight the average user will have into the operating system on a handheld device, they'd likely never know of an infection.

      While I *very much doubt* we'll ever see a mass malware infection, users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.


      Well, you've more or less have put on a major concern of *ALL* smartphones. Whether it runs OS X (iPhone), Windows Mobile, Linux, Symbian, RIM OS (Blackberry) - they all meet the same criteria. Most people will install a random binary on their smartphone if it does something "interesting", regardless of what it runs.

      In fact, I'd say that Windows Mobile, Linux and Symbian have better SDKs than the iPhone. The iPhone SDK is just a hacked together version of GCC, headers from desktop OS X, and libraries from the iPhone itself. There's no official SDK for the iPhone. Windows Mobile has one courtesy of Microsoft, Linux well, it's all open source and easily available, and Symbian provides an SDK of their own as well. And the APIs of Windows mobile, Linux and Symbian are way more documented than the iPhone's "hidden" API set.

      Hmm... wait a minute... spyware for Blackberries already exist...
    2. Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by OECD · · Score: 1

      ...users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.

      Well, yeah. Replace "iPhone" with "computer" and you have the current state of affairs.

      I'm starting to think that Apple has made this 'just hackable enough.' That is, if you want to, and don't fear the command line, you can do it (and they can disclaim any responsibility.) But if you don't want to, you don't have to worry.

      That said, I'm holding off to see how this tug-of-war plays out.

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    3. Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Well, you've more or less have put on a major concern of *ALL* smartphones. Whether it runs OS X (iPhone), Windows Mobile, Linux, Symbian, RIM OS (Blackberry) - they all meet the same criteria. Most people will install a random binary on their smartphone if it does something "interesting", regardless of what it runs.

      Whatever. You're going to be so jealous that my phone has Comet Cursor and Weather Bug on it.

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    4. Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      It's a symbiotic relationship made for the iMac demographic. Look for fun times ahead.

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    5. Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity by LKM · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Although it's funny how all that crapware is always for Windows. Maybe Gruber had it right after all. The "iMac demographic" is a lot less forgiving towards crapware than the Windows demographic.

  9. ...why? by corychristison · · Score: 1

    If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open?

    Not trying to troll or anything... I'm being serious. I truely believe in what OpenMoko is doing. Apple makes OK hardware and systems, but I will still side with whichever is more open.

    *shrugs* I suppose I've just never found the iPhone to be anywhere near appealing.

    1. Re:...why? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open [openmoko.org]?

      Because the software is not actually finished and some people want a functional phone? (The web site you link specifically screams "Currently it is not suitable for users.") The operating system isn't even functional, much less having applications (such as a good browser).

      Then there's the fact that the phone that's available doesn't have WiFi (a deal breaker for me), nor a camera (which kind of sucks, but maybe forgivable).

      In short, this is a few years away from being any sort of competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones.

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    2. Re:...why? by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Then there's the fact that the phone that's available doesn't have WiFi (a deal breaker for me), nor a camera (which kind of sucks, but maybe forgivable).

      In short, this is a few years away from being any sort of competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones.

      If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching, you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). This version was designed with price in mind. It purposely lacks some non-essential features to make it more affordable to developers. The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's 2 months away... much sooner than "a few years away".
    3. Re:...why? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

      If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching [openmoko.org], you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). [...] The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's 2 months away... much sooner than "a few years away".

      Note that I said a few years until it's a competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones, not that you couldn't get a box with some sort of software on it.

      The site also says that the *software* will be barely useful in October -- at the earliest. And maybe you can find them, but I see absolutely no screenshots of any applications beyond the basic phone. Is the browser going to suck like most phones? Who knows? The FAQ says:

      What software is on the phone?

      At the moment, almost no 'end-user' applications are present and working in a usable state. It is possible to make and receive calls in some software revisions, this frequently breaks though.

      So they don't even have phone calls working at this point! The second rev hardware *might* be available in two months, but I highly doubt it will be stable and useful (much less mature and bug free) in 2 months.

      It's cool if someone wants to buy one of these to play around with, but it's worthless at this point if you want a phone that is stable with a rich set of applications, which is easily a few years off.

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    4. Re:...why? by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Is the browser going to suck like most phones? Who knows?
      The developer of the browser for it seems to be hinting that it will be launched along with GTA02.

      Besides... This discussion is about people installing third-party applications on their phone. Initially I simply stated that the OpenMoko would be much better supported in that aspect. Installing unsupported "hacked" applications onto the iPhone may void your warranty. And whenever you do a software update on it, it apparently will lose all of your hard work in trying to install things on it. The other option would be to not install the updates, but then we'd have another WindowsXP (pre-SP1) on our hands.
    5. Re:...why? by LKM · · Score: 1

      If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open?

      Because having a nice, usable phone is a higher priority than being able to easily install apps.

  10. is that a medical condition? by edwardpickman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is command line phobia a medical condition or is it related to a fear of typing? Do people actually get the shakes and start screaming "where did all the icons go"? An older Unix system must make them go fetal.

    1. Re:is that a medical condition? by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1

      "Type? There? No, no I won't" "But you'll get that sweet app that I have on my iPhone." "Please, no. I can't. I won't" "What's wrong with you. Look, just type this.* *Arrggh!*

    2. Re:is that a medical condition? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it's more like "I have a life and don't need to learn arcane commands written by social misfits who themselves had a deep phobia of dictionaries."

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      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    3. Re:is that a medical condition? by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      Well, I will choose 'learn arcane commands' over 'click on pretty buttons' when what happens when the 'pretty buttons' are clicked is governed by not just a social misfit, but an organization of marketing types run by a crack dealer type guy for whom the only reason he isn't the captioned photo beside 'social misfit' in Wikipedia is that he has a lot of legal muscle.

      --
      Microsoft says legacy (serial/parallel) ports are bad. They don't obfuscate the hardware enough.
  11. OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! by Obstin8 · · Score: 1
    Why must every OSX article refer to "fear of the command line" or some other silly reference to it. It's been seven fucking years since OSX debuted. It's UNIX. Get over it people - we're all fairly comfortable with sh by now.

    I never see these patronizing predicates in Windows articles where one must enter something into the shell. Seems to be some kind of hand-wringing phenomenon that only affects Mac authors. I don't know if it's some kind of weird CLI hubris ala the 'Ruby on Rails/glossy black Macbook' crowd, or if the authors sincerely think that people are scared of the CLI (even weirder since it's a dev oriented article). Whatever, I wish all these authors would just skip over their CLI anxieties and move on.

    If they really wanted to get scared using a command line on a Mac then they should have tried MachTen on System 7. 'Nuff said.

    1. Re:OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

      Because the whole point of the Mac, and the thing valued most by it's whole target market, is it's simplicity. The UNIX underbelly is supposed to stay hidden beneath the sleek brushed-metal lines. You don't get these patronising predicates in Windows articles involving the shell because the Windows shell is considerably less complex (read: powerful) than the UNIX shell that OS X has. To an unfamiliar user, that much power is scary.

      Also, it might be a dev-oriented article, but at the end of the day, once you've *made* your app, you have to tell your [average] users how to get your app onto *their* iPhone, so at some point in the chain of usage the average Mac user will have to deal with the command line, something they are not used to doing. We all might be 'fairly comfortable with sh' on /., but is your grandmother? (not that the average grandmother is going to go about wanting custom apps on her iPhone, but you get the idea - average users aren't nearly as 'comfortable with sh' as you think they should be, and telling them to 'get over it' is a great way to alienate your userbase.

      --
      Dealing with lawyers would be a lot less tedious if they all looked like Casey Novak.
    2. Re:OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! by GotenXiao · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason you don't get those patronising predicates in Windows articles is because you can't do anything in the CLI on Windows. It's mostly for decoration, or possibly finding out your IP.

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      Goten Xiao
    3. Re:OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! by LKM · · Score: 1

      Why must every OSX article refer to "fear of the command line" or some other silly reference to it. It's been seven fucking years since OSX debuted. It's UNIX. Get over it people - we're all fairly comfortable with sh by now.

      Most users of Mac OS X don't even know that the Terminal exists, and neither should they have to.

      Of course, they probably also don't care about being able to install stuff on their iPhones.

  12. No point in the end by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you install a couple apps to stick it to the man. It's fun for about a week and then you have a fragility problem. Apple clearly isn't supporting this. Any updates/changes Apple makes will most probably wipe out anything you've modified, forcing you to re-liberate the phone and re-install your apps again not to speak of being able to restore your lost data (the equivalent of your apps/data disappearing when the battery drains).

    Apple doesn't want anyone playing in their sand box, so let them play alone.

    1. Re:No point in the end by Zorque · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, their latest update didn't do a thing about people's unlocked and otherwise hacked phones. Maybe in the future we'll see that, but Apple never did anything about iPod Linux either (Nevermind that iPL wasn't really a runaway success or anything).

    2. Re:No point in the end by LKM · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the AppleTV. People are hacking them, and Apple doesn't seem to mind.

  13. Autoinstaller by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When someone figures out how to package these apps in an installer that can be just "clicked" (or tapped, or slid... what exactly is the operative gesture on an iPhone?), the iPhone will finally arrive as a platform, not just a product.

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    make install -not war

    1. Re:Autoinstaller by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      "clicked" (or tapped, or slid... what exactly is the operative gesture on an iPhone?) Sync'd.
      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  14. Why not? The usual reasons. by mbessey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why not buy an OpenMoko phone? Well, it's certainly poised to bring the same success to the mobile phone market as we've been seeing with Linux on the desktop.

    from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview
    What you can expect
    a functional bootloader with support for firmware upgrades
    a functional Linux kernel with basic drivers for the various hardware subsystems, with small bugs here and there
    a basic, simple linux distribution based on OpenEmbedded, that you have to install yourself as rootfs image using USB DFU
    all the source code that we have at this point in time, and the corresponding build system
    mailing lists

    What you CAN NOT expect yet
    reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
    reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
    integrated GPRS data access
    bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works)
    proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet)
    ringtone (or other) profile management
    network preferences (call deflection, manual operator selection, ...)
    a complete application framework where third party application developers can write apps that easily integrate with the OpenMoko world

    Maybe I'm just a stupid Apple fan-boy, but I'm willing to spend a little extra for a cellular phone that can, you know, make phone calls.

    1. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by corychristison · · Score: 2, Informative
      As you so eloquently pointed it, that is the Developer Preview.

      As stated in other post:

      If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching, you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). This version was designed with price in mind. It purposely lacks some non-essential features to make it more affordable to developers. The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's only 2 months away...
      Damn you fan-boys piss me off. You bash anything you don't understand, or apparently don't care to understand. Do some research and save the world the hassle of dealing with asshats like you.
    2. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by Cato · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of my reaction to Linux on PCs about 15 years ago - I had a choice of UnixWare (from Novell) or Linux, and thought that Linux was very incomplete and wouldn't go anywhere. Today, UnixWare is almost dead, and many of the surviving Unixes are open source (the BSDs, Solaris, Darwin, ...) due to the success of Linux on the server. I now run Linux on my main home PC, and customers of my (proprietary software) employer are now saying 'support Linux or Windows or you won't buy your software at all in 18 months time'.

      Mobile phone Linux will develop just as Linux did on PCs, servers and embedded devices. See this article by Jim Ready, who helped create the RTOS industry in the 1980s, for more on how Linux became a mobile phone OS through reduced RAM usage, execute in place, power management, memory type based allocation, ARM Thumb instruction support for more compact code, DirectFB for nice GUIs without X's overhead, and real-time features: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9959043369.html

      OpenMoko is explicitly documented as being a developer platform not a normal phone - maybe the title of the page you linked to, "Developer Preview", should have given you a clue there... If you want a Linux phone that is usable out of the box, there are quite a few available now even in the US, such as the Motorola Razr V8: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3724634466.html

    3. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of my reaction to Linux on PCs about 15 years ago - I had a choice of UnixWare (from Novell) or Linux, and thought that Linux was very incomplete and wouldn't go anywhere. Today, UnixWare is almost dead, and many of the surviving Unixes are open source (the BSDs, Solaris, Darwin, ...) due to the success of Linux on the server.

      Yes, the best choice isn't a constant in time. As things change, so does your best choice. It doesn't mean we should try and guess how things will be far forward and use products that will be only usable 15 years in the future.

    4. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by LKM · · Score: 1

      Your argument makes no sense. First you ask why people buy iPhones and not this. Then people point out that it's not finished and can't even reliable make calls. Then you complain that people are stupid because of course it's not finished. So how is it an alternative to the iPhone?

    5. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by corychristison · · Score: 1
      What the hell are you talking about? Below is my original post, please feel free to point out where I claimed it was a complete alternative to the iPhone.

      If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open?

      Not trying to troll or anything... I'm being serious. I truely believe in what OpenMoko is doing. Apple makes OK hardware and systems, but I will still side with whichever is more open.

      *shrugs* I suppose I've just never found the iPhone to be anywhere near appealing.
    6. Re:Why not? The usual reasons. by LKM · · Score: 2

      What the hell are you talking about? Below is my original post, please feel free to point out where I claimed it was a complete alternative to the iPhone.

      Sure. Here:

      "If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open?"

      You're clearly telling people who want to install apps on their iPhones to buy "something a little more open," i.e. an OpenMoko phone, which you actually name in the next paragraph - despite the fact that - as you you yourself explain in other posts - they are only selling dev phones.

      Also, there's no reason to get excited. Please calm down. I'm not trying to insult you personally, just pointing out an inconsistency in your argument. Just because we're on the Internet doesn't mean you need to behave like a jerk. Unless you want to, of course. In that case, go right ahead.

  15. How is that dangerous by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The danger here is that an iphone update could wipe out not only your changes, but also your ringtones, your address book etc.

    How would an iPhone update do that? Or perhaps I should say, how is that really dangerous?

    The worst case is an update wipes the device and reinstalls the OS clean. But you certainly aren't going to lose Address Book data - after all, that's all synced to the computer when you connect, as is every other possible spec of data stored in normal locations on the device. Sure you might have to re-load a few custom apps, or be without custom apps for a few days after a major update while people figure out how to get them on again. But if the mod community can keep up with Sony on the PSP that is activley trying to lock them out, the more lackadasical Apple will do nothing to seriously impede hacking the device.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:How is that dangerous by wannasleep · · Score: 1

      Here are some more details that you may want to consider: a user who doesn't know about it will not be pleased and could also be scared. I can tolerate it, my wife can't. My iPhone is heavily modded hers isn't.
      Some examples on the address book:
      - if you use windows (don't know about mac) and you add an entry to your address book directly on the iPhone, it is not synchronized back,so when you restore from your address book, all the entries you added are gone.
      - If you associated pictures to your address book, the association is gone; same for ringtones;

      All I am saying is that until Apple creates and SDK and signs application, adding apps is not for every user. And even an experienced user may find it very annoying. Configuring all the features is a major pain...

    2. Re:How is that dangerous by vsync64 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Good to know Apple's sync software doesn't properly back up an iPhone. I'll pass that on to anyone that asks me if they are a good buy.

      --
      TO BUY A NEW CAR WOULD MAKE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
    3. Re:How is that dangerous by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Apple's sync software" (iTunes) absolutely does back up an iPhone. To say that it doesn't is completely incorrect. All data you'd expect to sync does in fact sync as you'd expect it to, both on Mac OS and Windows. (How did this get modded up?)

      Custom ringtone associations are lost because, well, the iPhone doesn't support custom ringtones (yet).

      Backing up an iPhone completely is a necessity because:

      1.) If an iPhone needs to be "Restored" (set back to factory defaults), there obviously needs to be a way to get the user data back onto it as it was.

      2.) If an iPhone needs to be sent in for service, and you receive a loaner AppleCare iPhone in the meantime, you obviously want to sync it and have all of your data.

      Funny that you'd just assume that "Apple's sync software doesn't properly back up an iPhone" when Apple has been one of the largest vendor doing such syncing reliably (with iPod and iTunes) for *years*, and your first reaction is that you'd need to run out and "tell" people who ask you if the iPhone is a "good buy".

      See:

      http://www.apple.com/iphone/questionsandanswers.ht ml
      http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305 741

    4. Re:How is that dangerous by LKM · · Score: 1

      Except GP is wrong, so you'll be spreading misinformation. Not that it matters, you've already made up your mind anyway.

    5. Re:How is that dangerous by MirthScout · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhh... not so fast there.
      I have an iPhone. The touch screen started malfunctioning so I had to send it for repair and use a loaner ($29, ugh). So, I got to test just how well iTunes backs up and restores the iPhone on Windows, twice. I followed the directions I was given; basically just sync, swap the SIM card and sync.

      What I lost:
      all photos taken with the iPhone
      all SMS message history
      all clock and alarm entries
      all notes
      all Safari bookmarks
      all Weather selections
      various settings, such as for bluetooth, ringtone selection
      probably a few things I'm forgetting to list

      What was restored correctly (not much):
      some settings
      contacts
      photos I had on my computer and had downloaded to iPhone
      music and videos I had on my computer and had downloaded to the iPhone

      I have not hacked my iPhone (yet) and wouldn't expect it to back up such hacks (it would be nice though).

      I know for a fact that iTunes on Windows DOES NOT correctly backup and restore most of the information on my iPhone. Been there, already tried to do that. I like the iPhone a lot but Apple's got some work to do!

  16. Because I need a phone too by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    The OpenMoko looks very cool. But I need a phone that works reliably, from there I am willing to hack it. Right now the OpenMoko is not that phone.

    But really Apple has made far better than "just OK" hardware in this case. The hardware is awesome. The Open Moko, in pictures, looks to be a little large and unwieldy which is why I didn't buy a number of WM or Palm devices through the years.

    I'll be watching what happens there, particularily how well it truly works with multiple carriers.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Because I need a phone too by corychristison · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Open Moko, in pictures, looks to be a little large
      Looks pretty close to the same size as the iPhone to me...
  17. OpenMoko by StarKruzr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is not going to be all that awesome. Without carrier support, which it will never get, it will never be able to use any faster data connection than GPRS.

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    +++ATH0
    1. Re:OpenMoko by rcs1000 · · Score: 1

      "Without carrier support, which it will never get, it will never be able to use any faster data connection than GPRS."

      Errr, no. There's no reason it can't have a standard 3G chipset, as - in fact - most of the new phones from HTC have.

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      --- My dad's political betting
    2. Re:OpenMoko by jayratch · · Score: 1

      Except that Qualcomm has all of the US 3G standards patented. WCDMA is CDMA derived and thus the world of mobile phones will soon deviate from openness. Sorry boyos but that seems to be how it will play from here. At least until 4G hits or an antitrust suit goes through against Qualcomm.

  18. Your wish is their command by StarKruzr · · Score: 2, Informative

    There already exists an Installer.app that does exactly this.

    Expect something much better coming soon that will blow that away as well.

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    +++ATH0
  19. Slashvertisements? by Epsillon · · Score: 0, Troll

    OK, getting really tired of seeing these iBleedingPhone articles now [1]. Since the overpriced hunk o' junk came out, it's been iPhone this and iPhone that ad nauseum. It's expensive, locks you into a single provider, proprietary, expensive to maintain clunky and only superficially superior (ooooh, shiny!). In short, all the things that /.ers usually rally against. Am I missing some point, or is Apple just darling du jour?

    Odd disparity of interest there, Slashdot. I'm trying to understand, I really am, but I really can't see any moral or technical advantages of owning one of these things.

    [1] Yes, I can ignore them. Nobody has a gun to my head. I wonder if AdBlock Plus can filter on "shiny gimmick for tossers with more money than sense" or will I then be branded a "thief" for not reading them? It's akin to The Goog being everyone's darling even though they have more information on folks than the NSA. The world's gone mad, I tell you!

    --
    Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
    1. Re:Slashvertisements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wholeheartidly agree with you.
      As for The Goog, google is merely popular, because "google it!" sounds better than "yahoo it!", "alltheweb it!", "msn it!", etc..

    2. Re:Slashvertisements? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh you're just in a bad mood. You need to go to an Apple store and have one of the employees implant a Reality Distortion Field in your head. You'll be much happier and you will look forward to the next iPhone article. Take your credit card and leave the tin foil at home.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    3. Re:Slashvertisements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just sound maliciously jealous of said "tossers with more money than sense".

    4. Re:Slashvertisements? by jamrock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Am I missing some point, or is Apple just darling du jour?

      Yes, you're missing the point, you and everyone else who fails to realize that it's not the feature list, it's the interface. And please don't talk to me about open alternatives; the average consumer doesn't care. Joe Sixpack only wants something that will work without fuss and look good doing it.

      Ten years ago, I would have been all hot for something I could poke around and mess with. These days, I have different hobbies and greater demands on my time. I've become extremely miserly with my free time because I want to spend every possible second of it with my kids; they're teenagers now, and all three will be off to college over the course of the next three years. My priorities have changed, and I have neither the time nor inclination to spend hours digging into the guts of a machine or wading through configuration files. It is for this reason that I simply can't be bothered with Linux. I'm Mac user and I have nothing whatsoever against Linux; in fact I admire Linux and the Linux community, and I'm rooting for FOSS in general, so don't think that my personal decision not to use Linux is a rejection of Linux or open software. But when I weigh the time I would have to spend configuring everything to my satisfaction, including finding/testing/learning replacement software, against time I could be spending with my sons and daughter, there's no contest.

      I should point out that I apply the same test to pretty much every single thing in the same fashion before deciding whether to embark on it: Is it worth the time away from my children? If I find an alternative that will produce the same result, with less demands on my time, then usually that's the path I take. With regard to operating systems, moral* and technical concerns aside, Linux and Windows both fail to meet that all-important criterion as far as I'm concerned.

      * What exactly does "moral advantage" mean anyway, when used in a discussion of technology? How can an inanimate object be immoral? It's the use of that object that is moral or not. Is the iPhone somehow less "moral" than the computer I presume you're using? Does loading Linux on it make it somehow morally superior to a Mac or Windows machine, even if it was produced by a manufacturer with an extremely poor environmental record? If you're so concerned about the immoral nature of a product manufactured by a company that *gasp* doesn't hew to your party line, then how in the name of Christ do you even get through the day without using transportation manufactured by a greedy automaker and fueled by nature-raping oil companies; eating a meal of recombinant DNA patented by monstrous agribusinesses; wearing clothes and shoes bearing the fingerprints of Asian sweatshop workers; and -shocker!- using an evil, soul-sucking ISP to connect to the Internet so you can post your drivel to Slashdot? And if you think that your lifestyle and choices somehow insulates you from contact with "immoral" technology, then you're delusional. Like a right-wing politician seeking re-election, people who preach morality tend to do so out of convenience. Grow up.

    5. Re:Slashvertisements? by Epsillon · · Score: 1

      Oh you're just in a bad mood.
      Dammit, nailed me. It's Saturday, I have a boat that needs a top coat of paint going on (prep's done) and it's raining. I wouldn't be bitching about frivolities like what's on Slashdot if I could actually get some damned work done ;-)
      --
      Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
    6. Re:Slashvertisements? by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      You are currently on apple.slashdot.org. It's not the same thing at all as slashdot.org.

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      Microsoft says legacy (serial/parallel) ports are bad. They don't obfuscate the hardware enough.
    7. Re:Slashvertisements? by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ten years ago, I would have been all hot for something I could poke around and mess with. These days, I have different hobbies and greater demands on my time.

      Welcome to middle age, dude. But be careful whom and what you sell out to.

      It still matters. Just might not seem like it for awhile.

      --
      Microsoft says legacy (serial/parallel) ports are bad. They don't obfuscate the hardware enough.
    8. Re:Slashvertisements? by jamrock · · Score: 1

      Welcome to middle age, dude. But be careful whom and what you sell out to. It still matters. Just might not seem like it for awhile.

      Very well said, and I do agree with you. Yes, it does matter. I do think that we have a moral obligation to not only do no harm, but to also encourage others to be mindful that our actions and choices may harm others. That being said, we are so overwhelmed by goods, services, and information in modern industrialized societies that it's becoming more and more difficult to navigate a "moral" path among them. How do we make informed decisions if we can't trust the information (commercials etc)? Given the difficulty of thoroughly investigating each potential choice, are we then simply forced to choose and hope we made a moral decision? Is there a karma scale which allows us to offset an immoral decision with a moral one? As I asked in my original post, does installing an OS with a "moral advantage" offset the use of a pollutant-filled machine? Does the person to whom I replied investigate the history and record of each manufacturer before choosing the "morally superior" one, or like any self-respecting geek, he just goes for the sweetest rig he can find?

      The point I'm laboring to make is that we are faced with so many choices that trying make a deliberate judgment about the morality of each and every single one would paralyze us. Obviously, some choices are no-brainers to the non-sociopath (felonies etc), but many are quite morally ambiguous. It really is a grayscale, not black-and-white, world. But I'm also certain that I told you nothing you didn't already know.

    9. Re:Slashvertisements? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're missing the point, you and everyone else who fails to realize that it's not the feature list, it's the interface.
      • You can get a command line interface elsewhere with less troubles.
      • Having a human interface that you can easily smudge, dirty and scratch from little use is not a good interface.
      • Many people use their phones without looking at the device to push buttons, there is no way to 'feel' buttons on a iPhone todo this.
      • Had Nokia, Sony, Phillips, Ericson etc. made the exact same phone under their brand name, it would never of got the recognition the iPhone got.


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      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
  20. I'll wait for a better faith. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for the fact that good HCI can be measured.

  21. Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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  22. Re: Elegance like a religion by ezavada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like religion

    Maybe. An elegant design reflects a deep understanding of everything it touches. Intensive study is necessary, but it goes beyond that. You have to know it so well that you instinctively feel what works and what doesn't. You can't grok something that way without caring a great deal about it. And while one person usually has a guiding vision, it takes the intense focus of lots of people to get the best possible outcome.

    That's when the magic happens. The design starts to seem purely asthetic, because the functional design seamlessly helps you do what you wanted, without calling attention to itself. It's only if you stop and think about the amount of complexity that's hidden (beneath the apparent simplicity) that you really start to appreciate how elegant that design is.

    So, like a religion? Well, perhaps like the good bits.

  23. Contact data is gathered from phone by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You have to tell it you want to back up address data in the first place, but data does go two ways - any data I add to my iPhone goes back to the computer, Windows or Mac.

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  24. Conact photo too by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Forgot to mention that includes contact photos. though I don't know where it puts them on the Windows side (perhaps they have a field for contact images as well).

    Custom ringtone choices for contacts are kept within the iPhone restore image, and possibly also back to your contact database somehow as a custom field...

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  25. Twice as thick? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That makes it look better, but still awfully thick. I keep phones in my pocket, not a utility belt.

    And as noted, it still is not a great phone yet.

    I'm still hoping it does well, I love the idea. It just can't be my only phone and I have reservations about the hardware being as good.

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  26. Get picture on the computer by DrYak · · Score: 1

    1. Take picture with the phone
    2. Save picture on the phone
    3. Either :
    3.a - plug the phone's flashcard into a reader in your computer
    3.b - plug directly the phone with the provided USB cable
    3.c - turn on Bluetooth on your PC
    4. Then...
    4.a & .b : ...go to a directory called something like "/My pictures"
    4.c : ...send the picture over bluetooth
    5. There's your picture. ... Oh, sorry. I forgot. We live in Europe here, where the phone aren't completely crapped by abusive "sorry we locked most of the functions that make your phone useful" term-of-service.

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  27. Mod Parent Up! by Luscious868 · · Score: 1

    You make a great point. I love the iPhone (I'm posting from it now) but the lack of an SDK (and thus easily installable 3rd party apps) is a draw back. I think Apple will release one. Even if they don't, I think the open source community will come up with a solution. The software to unlock and customize the phone and to install 3rd party apps is out there already. It won't be long until some hacker brings them all togather with a nice GUI so the less technically inclined can install apps themselves. Still, if Apple wants to compete with Windows mobile they'll need to release an SDK.

  28. That's been fixed for weeks. by djh101010 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    sshd and Terminal.app have been out for the iPhone for several weeks already. I can either open up the app and be right in the shell on the phone, or I can ssh into it from any other system that can see it networkologically. No need to wire anything to a terminal. There's also a binkit (google Nate True and the word 'binkit' for link) with some Unix binaries that weren't on the phone when it shipped. I've got apache and a wiki running on mine, a couple games, and can serve up webpages (which I'm using for vacation and kid photos). Deploying files to it is just like any other Unix box, ssh in and work, or scp stuff over to it. Doesn't seem to be all that "locked out from the internals" as some people think.

  29. Nice Smear Job by DECS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone is only expensive if you compare its full cost with the subsidy illusion of another phone. Hardware costs nothing compared to service plans. If you compare the full cost over two years, the iPhone with its cheaper service plan is one of the least expensive smartphones you can buy. The more expensive 8GB iPhone with 2 years of service is $2056.

    a TYTN is $800 more
    a Sony Ericsson K850i is also nearly $800 more
    a Nokia N95 is over $800 more
    an LG Prada KE850 is $700 more
    a RIM BlackBerry Pearl is over $300 more
    a new Palm Treo is nearly $400 more
    a "$99" Motorola Q is over $200 more

    That isn't taking into account that the iPhone will have resale value as a WiFi browser and iPod after two years, while all those other phones will be pretty worthless. It also doesn't note that iPhone competitors all have:

    half the battery runtime of the iPhone.
    a clunker design that's commonly twice as thick as the iPhone.
    less than half the iPhone's screen resolution.

    The iPhone is "locked" to AT&T unless you activate it and attach your iPhone SIM card to another provider. So it's as locked as any other phone. The RAZR, LG Chocolate, Treo and every other phone was exclusive to a provider at launch, and all of them were $500 phones. Who cried foul then? Oh right, nobody did, because it isn't Apple users who are the shrill fanboys, its people like you who love to publish false information.

    As for "Proprietary," the definition of that word is owned by a proprietor. Or in other words, for sale. Your OpenMOKO hardware is similarly proprietary to the company building it, it just didn't bother to finish its own software, expecting the "community" to write it for them. So you can own the software collectively and have nobody to blame when it doesn't work but yourselves, but you're still buying proprietary hardware, and it costs just as much. The service just costs more. That makes you a rube, and a pawn, and a simpleton.

    "Expensive to maintain" because the battery is integrated? Well, if you plan to use your iPhone for more than a couple years before selling it and getting a new one, yes, you will have to pay for a new battery. My Sonicare toothbrush costs more to replace the battery than the iPhone. There are also third party iPod batteries that cost less than $15, with the DIY kit. Imagine that they'll be available in two years after 15 million iPhones are sold? Again, you are presenting false information because you are bitter about a successful product. You may as well boot Windows.

    The iPhone is getting attention because it delivers a much better platform and 80% of the features on any phone in its 1.0 release. It's only going to get more features and improved upon. Apple has a history of updating its software for the Mac and the iPod. Years old devices are kept up to date with updates. No other phone maker does anything approaching this, and any updates that are released are too hard for most users to install. Windows Mobile works like ass, and Palm had been rotting for half a decade. OS X offers the maturity of Symbian or Linux with a consistent, polished interface they will never have.

    Even if you hate Apple, its iPhone will make whatever you get end up buying a better phone through competition. That can't be said of Microsoft, which has held back the progress of technology for 20 years. Who else is leading mobile devices? A bunch of stupid followers. If you can't handle reading about a company that can bother to challenge the status quo, maybe you need to reevaluate why. There's nothing insightful about being a whiny bitch with nothing to say.

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  30. There are still issues that might make the iPhone by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    a no-go for anyone. The keyboard and crippled Bluetooth spring directly to mind. My HTC Hermes is simply incredible with all the stuff it can do.

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  31. It can have all the 3G chipsets it wants by StarKruzr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but there are security measures in place that ensure that you will not be able to use any faster data connection than GPRS unless your phone is approved by (read: sold by) the carrier.

    GSM (voice) and GPRS will work fine. Nothing else will.

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  32. Re:There are still issues that might make the iPho by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    I've never really understood the point of bluetooth.

    If you're near enough to your computer to use Bluetooth for syncing, shouldn't you have your phone in its charging cradle so that you can fill up its battery? And wouldn't the wired connection used by the iPhone for that purpose work both faster and more reliably than Bluetooth?

    I'd agree that it might be nice to use a Bluetooth keyboard but I'm not sure what the great appeal of Bluetooth synching is.

    Your keyboard point is reasonable, but I've been surprised at how fast I can type on the iPhone keyboard, and of course text legibility and screen quality is miles ahead of any other device.

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  33. Account Suspended by Meneth · · Score: 1

    Looks like it got slashdotted. Fortunately, google cache still has a copy.

    1. Re:Account Suspended by HyperBlazer · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, so does iPhoneAtlas. Same author? Don't know. [Nearly] same text? Yup.

  34. By default, all iPhones have a password of dottie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The odds of someone looking for an iPhone to hack in a public place are small, but if you really want to be secure, you can change your password."
    Really, I see some iPhone malware in the future.
    this is becoming really popular on phones track text messages, email, phone calls...
    remember the article a few weeks ago that claimed the camera could be used by malware.
    scary that anyone would have that attitude. change that password before you continue.

  35. Or a music scene before it's mainstreamed... by StCredZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or an art movement. Or a new scientific paradigm.

    Most people don't get new forms of elegance, actually. They usually need a little nudge to get something that's genuinely new. Once something has entered the mainstream, then people can use social cues to direct their attention. Most of us are used to being told what is good.

  36. slashdotted by kaplong! · · Score: 1

    It seems the article is now slashdotted, but it's still in the google cache.

  37. Re:What's the worst thing about buying an apple? by mkiwi · · Score: 0, Redundant

    My parents are gay you insensitive clod!

  38. Or we could read the article and discuss that... by anonymous+coward+2.0 · · Score: 1

    How about thinking about the article... Thoughts I had include a very obvious bit... maybe they should remind people to change their password (or is that not possible?)

    If the password can't be changed, you are VERY vulnerable... sniff a popular wireless network, look for web traffic that has the Iphone user agent in it, ssh to that ip and try the password given in the article.

    Also, does this jailbreak technique void your warratee?

    Will your changes all get blown away on the next apple iphone update? (or will they get in the way of said update?)

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  39. Re: Elegance like a religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, at least go out and look for someone to have sex with. Male or female, find someone besides the iPhone to share your feelings with.