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YouTube for Science?

Shipud writes "The National Science Foundation, Public Library of Science and the San Diego Supercomputing Center have partnered to set up what can best be described as a "YouTube for scientists", SciVee". Scientists can upload their research papers, accompanied by a video where they describe the work in the form of a short lecture, accompanied by a presentation. The formulaic, technical style of scientific writing, the heavy jargonization and the need for careful elaboration often renders reading papers a laborious effort. SciVee's creators hope that that the appeal of a video or audio explanation of paper will make it easier for others to more quickly grasp the concepts of a paper and make it more digestible both to colleagues and to the general public."

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  1. Very, very cool! by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure the likes of Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan and other proponents of accurate popularization of science would have applauded this approach. I'm also sure there's going to be some major stumbling blocks along the way - but this is just the kind of adventure that I see as healthy for the public interaction with science. Go science!

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Very, very cool! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Won't be long until something like "www.idtv.org" or (given the way the Feds are funding Christian groups these days) maybe "www.creationtv.gov" comes along to try and counteract the dissemination of accurate science to the population.

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    2. Re:Very, very cool! by DinZy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Too bad there is no channel for any physical science. This is Biology/medicineTV not science TV

    3. Re:Very, very cool! by hubie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This doesn't look like a site targeted at the layman. It seems to be a site targeted at the scientific community to help disseminate research results to other scientists. I think this is a great idea. Basically the majority of scientific papers that are written only have their abstracts, intros, conclusions, and figures read until it is determined that the paper is of great interest, then the nitty-gritty details are read. This allows researchers to quickly get the gist of papers to determine which ones they want to read in detail. It would also help the scientific journalist to quickly understand the big picture of a particular recent topic.

      Since the videos are targeted at other scientists and engineers, I wouldn't expect too much polish. It would not surprise me if it gets used by company PR departments or researchers on the fringe to promote their ideas (and in which case I would expect pretty slick presentations) because I suspect posting a video on this site would carry more weight than just posting it on YouTube.

    4. Re:Very, very cool! by nametaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the nice part about the internet, I have to want to go to a website.

      I just don't like the idea of my tax dollars paying for it. :(

  2. Yes! by astonish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who works in academia I really believe research is crying for something like this. You hear that anecdotal stat that the average published paper (conference or journal) is read ONCE. There is so much information out there that is going unused and with so much research going on getting out there in an easy to access and digestible format is key.

    Any system that makes academic papers more digestible is a benefit for three reasons:

    1) Researchers. Youtube like social networking amongst peers can boost awareness of research and give researchers a better sense of the "field" to dig into when doing background research allowing them to find relevant works quickly. It also does the opposite allowing them to spark others interest in their work so it doesn't get retired to the shelf. Even when reading papers in your own field understanding complex methods and results can sometimes be hard to digest if unclear writing is involved. A video (mainly of the researcher explaining things in their own spoken words) is worth a thousand words.

    2) Business. Putting businesses in touch with research and programs relevant to them. This is a win/win. Companies get information that betters their products and services and hopefully in return they provide much needed research dollars to those doing the work.

    3) The general public. Keeping the general public in the loop is important for countless reasons. Two of them being it lets them see where there tax research dollars are going and why they should support such funding and also because hopefully it will inspire people to take interest in the goings on of higher education and ward of general stupidity. It always brightens my day to see science videos of cool physics research or psychology tricks littered in with sports highlights and comedy clips. Even if it only raises peoples awareness slightly I think its worth it.

    1. Re:Yes! by spectrokid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the average paper is only read once, it is because
      - in some places it is the quantity of papers produced that counts and not the quality
      - because they are not published in open websites where they can be indexed by search engines.

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    2. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree with the notion that even shallow, awareness-raising videos is beneficial. (I think such video would be harmful because research is nuanced.) To be beneficial, the videos must be more than attractive promo shorts for papers--they must be a way to see the heart of the paper as well as the nuances (such as the actual data, and the methods used). They must be content-heavy (even if that content is made attractive) because, otherwise, one must pay journal or database fees to see the nuances that will help one determine, for example, if the results are solid enough to affect a decision. Something is better than nothing unless the videos become as content-light as the occasional news report that describes published research (such as when cable news scrolls the text "New Study Finds x May Cause Cancer").

      There are multiple repositories and databases of articles. The current problem is that the rights of papers and various journals makes it difficult to have a central database for knowledge that is accessible to a large portion of the population (i.e., cost no more than the cost of accessing the Internet). Video could be part of a solution to forming a warehouse of knowledge (or links to said knowledge) if video avoids complicated webs of rights. Seeing how difficult it is to create new and used mediums for information, it would be great to see such an initiative include use of YouTube in addition to any newly created infrastructure. (Imagine how used a new repository of scientific video would be used in light of, for example, the heavy viewing of Comedy Central clips on YouTube despite the existence of a separate infrastructure provided by Comedy Central's parent company.)

      I am skeptical that such an initiative could prove extremely beneficial. Students and researchers in the field would need more detailed information for analysis, and would be benefited most by a system that makes finding the articles easier--a system encumbered by a web of rights. Others looking for cutting edge knowledge are served a year or few late by books, magazines, TV and radio programs, aggregator web sites, and sites like Wikipedia. Those same people will run against a costly wall (of education, database fees, or other fees related to learning outside one's specialty) when looking for a comprehensive body of knowledge--unless the source material is cheap to access.

      While I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water, I am skeptical that including short videos with each paper (of what? abstracts with techno music) will improve understanding--unless the source material is much easier to obtain. The problem is similar to that of the abstract: there is something accessed with relative ease, but it is not as useful once found by itself. Well, if the videos are easily obtainable and contain a great summary as well as significant descriptions of methods and results (essentially the paper--not summary--on video), my criticisms will have been addressed. It is easy to see how this could be a great marketing tool (PR tool), but the videos should have an intrinsic value (of providing in-depth knowledge) so they are truly education, thirst-making tools rather than attractive, thirst-quinching soundbytes.

      Harmless? Soundbyte videos would be detrimental because they would produce in the audience a false impression that the audience has learned something. Hopefully these videos can present the paper in-depth and serve as hack to run-around the web of rights that prevent many from accessing the full papers.

  3. Peer review, or clique acceptance? by cluge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think the idea is interesting, and a good way for people publishing papers to help a peer review group understand what they are looking at, but at the same time the quote The formulaic, technical style of scientific writing, the heavy jargonization and the need for careful elaboration often renders reading papers a laborious effort. struck me. Scientific method has always been the fundamental difference between science, fact, and belief. What I've found over the years is that there is more bad science in peer reviewed papers now than there was. In this day of the word processor and CYA get funded politics, there is a lot more to read, but less meat on the bone (so to speak). That being said there is still a LOT of good science going on, and I wouldn't step back to the days of carbon paper and typewriters for a second. For example - When I taught physics, drawing a conclusion from a graph or statistical results, but failing to provide an equation or the work or all of the data that one used to come up to such a conclusion resulted in a failing grade. Period. Yet peer reviewed articles by Mann, or the recent GISS fiasco point to a failure of peer review. These articles should have never made it to print.

    Video and Audio presentations should go with each paper to a reviewing publication if it helps reviewers and laymen. More importantly the reviewers need to be able to remember their primary motivation. To be skeptical in the name of science.

    cluge

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    "Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
  4. The not-so-nice part about the internet by benhocking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the nice part about the internet, I have to want to go to a website.
    The not-so-nice part is that this applies to other people, too. ;) Those who need the exposure to popularized science the most are those least likely to seek it out.
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  5. Impenetrable mathematics and terminology by locster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I always find it interesting that some really simple concepts that could probably be understood by a child become completely unfathomable when presented in mathematical form. I've read papers that are describing techniques that I myself have implemented and yet still not recognised what was being described. This is a nice idea but what I would really like to see is plain english explanations of a concept alongside the maths, which I accept is necessary because English is after all ambiguous and inefficient at describing mathematical formulea or concepts. But that doesn't mean it can't be used to paint the big picture before filling in the detail.

    I suppose part of the problem is the terminology used in research papers. You get groups of researchers in specialisations that use terminology that only they know, because they have developed it in their own little corner of the research world. You can end up with a newcomer to a field writing a perfectly good paper, but because s/he didn't use the now accepted proper terminology the paper is not understood by the people it is actually targeting.

    Also sometimes I get the feeling that people are writing papers with impenetrable terminology to make themselves feel clever. The more big words the better. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

  6. Re:Is this practical? by jstomel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a misconception. While many scientists may not be good a making small talk at parties, we are paid lecturers you know. You don't teach to a class of freshmen and present at meetings six times a year without learning a thing or two about public speaking. Within the narrow confines of explaining their research, scientists can be very eloquent. It helps that this site is aimed at a technical to semi-technical audience. And as for peer review, SciVee only accepts submissions from well respected peer reviewed journals. It's not like youtube where anyone can post anything they want. First you have to have published the paper in one of the accepted journals (you can only present your own work). Your coauthors have to review it and certify that it is an accurate representation of the work. Etc.

  7. Not a bad idea by benhocking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And, presumably, those who need it the most won't know how to use AdBlock (or similar means) to avoid seeing the advertisements.

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  8. Proof that this may not work out by nadahlman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scientific presentations can easily fall into a certain formula that excludes the lay audience and may bore even the initiated. This presentation brilliantly demonstrates the issue. It could be said that the opportunity to publicize is already out there; presenters may have to focus more on making the concept accessible and interesting, perhaps along the lines of a shorter, more thorough Radio Lab.