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MTV Bails on Microsoft's URGE Store

Marlowe writes "MTV's once-ballyhooed partnership with Microsoft appears to be all but dead. MTV is teaming up with RealNetworks to form Rhapsody America, with Verizon handling wireless distribution. It's a big blow to Microsoft, too. 'With the creation of Rhapsody America, the writing is on the wall for MTV and Microsoft's Urge music store partnership. Although the Microsoft-MTV marriage was announced with great fanfare, it was likely headed for divorce court right from the start due to Microsoft's plans to turn PlaysForSure into a second-class citizen with the launch of the Zune — and its self-contained music ecosystem.' When asked about the future of Urge, MTV Music Group President Toffler was terse. 'We are in discussions with Microsoft now and will be on Windows Media Player 11 until further notice,' he said. While the Urge brand will ultimately disappear, Toffler said that 'a lot' of Urge's elements will live on in Rhapsody America."

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  1. gg no re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple already won this game.

    1. Re:gg no re by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple already won this game.
      Um, I think the millions of users of The Pirate Bay might disagree.

      Sometimes, the game goes not to the strongest or the swiftest, but to the one that's free.
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  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would any company want to partner with Microsoft? They seem to drop commitments at a whim (PlaysForSure) and do not seem to ever has their partners interest anywhere in their list of priorities.

    Are there any examples of Microsoft ever participating in a mutually beneficial relationship with another company?

    1. Re:Why? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are there any examples of Microsoft ever participating in a mutually beneficial relationship with another company?
      That's like asking if anyone has ever entered a mutually beneficial relationship with Count Dracula.
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    2. Re:Why? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 5, Funny
      That's like asking if anyone has ever entered a mutually beneficial relationship with Count Dracula.

      I resent that comparison!

      Count Dracula *STOPS* sucking blood when he has had his fill!

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    3. Re:Why? by admactanium · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS's $500 million investment probably saved the company from bankruptcy. This was at the low point of Apple's market share, reputation and stock price. MS propped them up because they knew Apple customers were potential MS customers too, even if they didn't use their OS.
      it was $100M. apple was far far away from bankruptcy at the time. however, apple did need to sure a version of office of mac for their future viability. ms likely propped them up because they heard the DOJ breathing down their neck.

      That deal has expired at this point, but Apple is now a stronger company than they were at that time, and MS is weaker. I'd say Apple actually got the better end of that deal. (So maybe it wasn't "mutually beneficial", but Apple didn't come out on the short end.)
      i agree. whether it was foresight or just a company trying to stay relevant, the hat-in-hand maneuver that jobs pulled in order to get bill g on that big (brother) screen behind him ended up being one of the best strategic moves in a while. apple was able to keep office on their computers. but since then, step by step apple has taken little bites out of ms.

      make itunes and the ipod. suddenly quicktime is installed on a huge number of windows computers and aac is a heavily-used music codec as opposed to wmv.
      build os x on a unix core to attract both home/consumer users and hardcore geeks.
      make ie the default, then build safari.
      switch to intel chips and offer boot camp to run windows.
      make a little innocuous works suite with just word processing and presentation software in iwork, then slide out a spreadsheet a couple years later.
      each quarter apple is breaking their previous unit-shipment record.

      the barriers to entry for macs are coming down slowly and methodically. it's almost as if somebody planned it that way. apple has stopped making the huge shifts in strategy that we've grown accustom to since jobs' return, but they seem to still be making progress on their own agenda. the main issue facing apple now is how to manage their growth and figure out how big they can get before they become bad. how much can they grow before they start to become what they hate?

      as a long-time mac user, i'm happy to see the market playing out this way. it's the most interesting time to be a mac user since 1984.
    4. Re:Why? by mcmaddog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ironically enough, the one instance I can think of is Apple.

      MS's $500 million investment probably saved the company from bankruptcy. This was at the low point of Apple's market share, reputation and stock price. MS propped them up because they knew Apple customers were potential MS customers too, even if they didn't use their OS.


      $500 million? Saved Apple from bankruptcy? Microsoft invested $150 million in non voting shares and Apple had over $6 billion in cash in the bank at the time. They were nowhere near going bankrupt. Also Apple customers aren't "potential" MS customers, MS is the largest supplier of Mac software after Apple. What saved Apple was the return of Steve Jobs and his focusing the company on profitable products like the rollout of the iMac.

      Also, except for Office 6 when MS tried to use the same code base for Mac and Windows versions, the Mac version, starting with it's debut for Mac before any PC version existed, has often been thought of as better. Partly due to MS' use of the smaller Mac market to test new features that if well received become part of the Windows version, but also due greatly to the developers in the Mac Business Unit at Microsoft which are true Mac users.
    5. Re:Why? by hausrath · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are there any examples of Microsoft ever participating in a mutually beneficial relationship with another company?
      That's like asking if anyone has ever entered a mutually beneficial relationship with Count Dracula. My relationship with him's been fine. Except he keeps trying to eat my cereal...
    6. Re:Why? by rajafarian · · Score: 2, Funny

      My relationship with him's been fine. Except he keeps trying to eat my cereal...

      That's Count Chocula, silly.

    7. Re:Why? by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with you in principle, to be fair, Microsoft dropped "PlaysForSure" after the deal with MTV to create URGE had already happened.
      Isn't that the point? They made a partnership and persuaded MTV to use PlaysForSure, then after making the deal, they decided to effectively sideline PlaysForSure and switch to the Zune instead.

      BTW,

      "Our music brands, MTV, CMT, and VH1 can now be found on multiple screens as our audience has made it crystal clear that they really want their music accessible wherever they might be," said Van Toffler, president of the MTV music group. "The collaboration with these three companies is like a perfect storm, really striking the right balance to deliver the purest digital music play available."
      It's like a perfect storm. Whoah. Is Van Toffler a made-up name?
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  3. What makes MTV think.... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ....That it can seriously compete with the Apple iTunes store regardless of who they are partnered with? The iTunes ecosystem has too much of a head start to be caught in the short term IMHO.

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    1. Re:What makes MTV think.... by anthonyclark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because MTV (and the Music Labels) view Apple as the upstart n00b.

      "Who do they think they are, we're M-Fucking-T-V! We'll bury them with this new system!"

      Everyone thinks their team can win, whatever the odds...

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  4. No tears shed here by Arathon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may be somewhat off-topic, but I can't mourn this passing. "URGE" always seemed to me to be one of the ugliest, dumbest-sounding names of all the music download services available. And its front-row presence in WMP11 has always annoyed me to no end.

    Plus, who really cares about these services anymore, now that WalMart is offering EMI and Universal MP3s without DRM for cheaper than iTunes, at 256 kbps....

    1. Re:No tears shed here by niceone · · Score: 3, Funny

      "URGE" always seemed to me to be one of the ugliest, dumbest-sounding names

      Look on the bright side, they could have called it "Surge", think what a PR disaster that would have been.

    2. Re:No tears shed here by badasscat · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not the kind of URGE that a music store can help you with.

      Yeah, a psychiatrist would probably be a better option.

    3. Re:No tears shed here by kat_skan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even worse they could have left it "URGE" and made it work with the Zune. Then you'd all the time have people offering to squirt you some URGE noises.

  5. MTV...Music.... by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does MTV have to Do with Music.... Back in the 80s it had a bunch of music videos but now it more kinda of a TV Teen magazine, that sometimes shows a music video. As for a huge loss for Microsoft probably not it might be a minor one. But I think this is the lease of Microsoft Worries. Like those billions of dollars they accidentally paid for to help support Linux.

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  6. Because someone will ask.. by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ballyhoo (bl'-h')

    n., pl. -hoos.
    Sensational or clamorous advertising or publicity.
    Noisy shouting or uproar.
    tr.v., -hooed, -hooing, -hoos.
    To advertise or publicize by sensational methods.

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  7. Yet another victim... by xednieht · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps it's time for Microsoft to bail on Ballmer.

    The whole Urge thing lacked the strategic finesse and vision Microsoft would otherwise be capable of.

    There's only one strategic foundation that can challenge Apple+iTunes and Urge was not it, and the Rhapsody-MTV-Verizon approach is not it either.

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    1. Re:Yet another victim... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      The whole Urge thing lacked the strategic finesse and vision Microsoft would otherwise be capable of.
      Yeah, who would have thought that the company that made Microsoft Bob and Windows ME could ever partner in something so lame.
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  8. Convergence of 3 Irrelevant Dinosaurs by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's see....

    Real managed to totally blow an overwhelming lead in streaming media as Realplayer was allowed to die on the vine. Add MTV to the mix. They were relevant to the music scene about 20 years ago. Now it's just reality TV plus advertising. And Verizon...a CDMA network with the highest prices in the country and a track record of disabling phone features that cut into their "buy it from us or not at all" corporate culture. Yeah, that ought to be a real powerhouse for peeing away a few hundred million of investment capital.

    *yawn*

    1. Re:Convergence of 3 Irrelevant Dinosaurs by moegoldberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      just because Mtv is irrelevant to music, doesn't mean they are irrelevant.

  9. ...all but dead... by Wm_K · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not an American, so maybe I don't understand the logic of this grammar. But this 'once-ballyhooed partnership with Microsoft appears to be all but dead.'. In other words, the partnership is everything except dead. I know that in logic and implication can't be reversed by definition. But I believe you could also write 'all but dead' as 'nothing but alive' - which would mean that MTV has a healthy partnership with Microsoft. Which makes no sense with the rest of the story. It's so confusing!

    1. Re:...all but dead... by RoverDaddy · · Score: 4, Informative

      'all but xxx' is an American (or perhaps more generally English) idiom that means 'about as close to xxx as you can get without actually being there yet.'.
      On the the other hand, the phrase 'anything but xxx' means the speaker doesn't think the thing is anywhere near 'xxx' even if other people do.
      Hope this helps.

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  10. Because they are businessmen by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everybody thinks that they will come out ahead by dealing with MS. But MS's game is NOT tech, but marketing and legalize. The absolute best that you can expect is to come out even. Until business ppl realize that you will be screwed by dealing with them, they will continue to take this path. The interesting point on all this, is that if you pay attention, you will find that only a few ex-MS execs. will deal with MS until they are monster size themselves. While they are little or medium size, they avoid contact with MS. Shows that some of the MS execs are not idtios.

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  11. This is not a troll! by east+coast · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not a big fan of TV and I'm not much into today's pop music so I must ask...

    Does MTV count for much of anything anymore? I know when I was in high school they had a lot of pull but the last I had seen of them was that they seemed to be like a fish in it's death throws on dry land. They tried to release a few films that saw little or no profit, their music empire was reduced to 10 music videos a day and the rest of their shows were a couple of really really bad "reality" shows that were as predictable as most pre-teen dramas on Nickelodeon.

    I'm just wondering if they ever got their shit together or if the modern pop scene is so bad that this passes as a "music" channel and people are forced to stew in their own misery and filth or defect to VH1 with all the Glenn Fry, Enya and Stevie Nicks videos one can tolerate.

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    1. Re:This is not a troll! by jahudabudy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My sister-in-law just graduated high school. She was a cheer leader, got poor grades, and seemed to be constantly bitching about one or another of the girls in her grade. So I assume she is pretty much the target audience for "teen fashion" crap. She LOVES those MTV "reality" drama shows. I seldom ever talk to her much beyond "Hi" and "Pass the salt", but I do overhear her conversations with my wife. It actually took me some time to be able to distinguish between her stories of petty drama that involved her and her peers and the stupid stories of petty drama that she was regurgitating from these shows. It still takes me some time to catch on that this story is real after she changes boyfriends; I tend to assume the new name is a new show, or new character (which also happens a lot, from what I gather).

      So, to answer your question, I have no idea. But from what I can tell, MTV counts for at least as much in my sister-in-law's life as her actual life. Seriously. I've seen her crying over breaking up with her boyfriend, and she was less sad than the time she was crying over what turned out to be a break-up in a show.

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  12. Mac vs. PC by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Despite all of that, the recent advertising campaign of "Mac vs the PC", where the Mac is a hip young dude and the Windows PC is the stuffy guy in the shirt and tie does have a spark of truth in it.
    I think they've got the characterizations completely wrong. The Mac Guy should be some infeminite clothing designer type who grabs his crotch a lot and brags about the size of his penis, while PC Guy should be a fiery, butchy lesbian dominatrix who chases Mac Guy around demanding "Slow down, girly-boy, I want to insert Office 2008 into ya!"
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    1. Re:Mac vs. PC by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny
      butchy lesbian dominatrix

      Nuh... Ballmer's too busy running the company to star in any adverts.

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  13. Awesome! by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now when a music video comes on MTV, it'll be even easier to jump online and download the song that was just played.

    That is, if MTV ever showed music videos anymore...

    If MTV had 1/2 a clue, they'd convince their corporate masters at Viacom to drop the suit against YouTube, team up with YouTube as their music video section, make sure that every music video on YouTube had a link on it to an MTV online store selling DRM-Free MP'3, and then split the profits with Google. Anything else is just playing catchup with Apple. Using music videos driving music sales was their business model in the 80's, and it can be once again if they move fast enough, and any online music store that doesn't take the iPod into account is doomed to failure before it even launches.

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