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Nanotechnology Boosts Solar Cell Performance

Roland Piquepaille writes "Physicists from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) say they have improved the performance of solar cells by 60 percent. And they obtained this spectacular result by using a very simple trick. They've coated the solar cells with a film of 1-nanometer thick silicon fluorescing nanoparticles. The researchers also said that this process could be easily incorporated into the manufacturing process of solar cells with very little additional cost. Read more for additional references and a photo of a researcher holding a silicon solar cell coated with a film of silicon nanoparticles."

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  1. Oh no, it's Roland again! by Baddas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wish I had access to the slashdot front page for my articles.

    1. Re:Oh no, it's Roland again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did *you* see this article before RP posted it? And if so, did *you* submit it? You can quibble about the way he does it, or how often he gets stuff posted or whatever, but the fact of the matter is that HE has pointed out an interesting bit of information that a lot of people here would like to read. YOU, on the other hand, have not. Go back home -- your village is missing its idiot.

    2. Re:Oh no, it's Roland again! by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      I wish I had access to the slashdot front page for my articles. Create a blog that's got interesting information, even if it's aggregated from other sources (such as, say, slashdot).
      Make it look attractive, not a MySpace style design. Tell people about it.

      Who cares if it leads to ??? and then to profit. I get something out of it - an informative article to read.

      If you don't want to read Roland's articles, don't click on the fucking links.
    3. Re:Oh no, it's Roland again! by Baddas · · Score: 1

      I write my own (shitty) articles, with words I done made up myself, about (reasonably) original topics. Therefore I occupy a higher continuum than those who provide no original content.

      Note that, unless you're copying these comments from somewhere, you, too, occupy a higher continuum than Messr. Piquepaille. Linkjackers are slightly above spammers and trolls, in my pantheon.

    4. Re:Oh no, it's Roland again! by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Excellent! Stop your bitching here and come see me over on Technocrat.

      No, I'm totally serious - it's crap like this that drives me away from slashdot towards more focussed and mature sites such as Technocrat.

      Start submitting stories you want to see, and stories you want to involve others in. Please, write your own submissions, don't copy-n-paste the first paragraph of the story you're linking to. Write totally original content and post it. Link us to your blog so we can see more. You'll find the technocrat community a lot more accepting of user-submitted content...

    5. Re:Oh no, it's Roland again! by ericrost · · Score: 1

      ... and hasn't been updated since May....

  2. Correction by friedo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The nanoparticles improve efficiency by 60% in the ultraviolet spectrum. The visible light spectrum is only nominally affected.

    It's still pretty cool, though.

    1. Re:Correction by sl70 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, but the efficiency is so low to start with, anyway, that increasing it by 60% may not make much of a difference. Amorphous silicon cells have an efficiency of about 6%. Increase that by 60% and we get ... 9.6%! Nothing to write home about.

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    2. Re:Correction by goldaryn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still pretty useful though I bet.. but:

      As the alcohol evaporated, a film of closely packed nanoparticles was left firmly fastened to the solar cell.

      Whoa, whoa, whoa! Back up, bad idea!




      (yeah I know it's only isopropyl alcohol. but still never something you want to hear!)

    3. Re:Correction by speculatrix · · Score: 2, Informative

      there's quite bit of UV in sunlight, so for photovoltaic panels which are to be used outdoors this is a real gain.

      the cost of making PV panels is still too high compared to the energy you can harvest using them (I choose to use "harvest" specifically because they capture energy from the sun rather than generating from oil for example) over the expected lifetime of the panels. the other problem with PV panels is the environmental cost of manufacture + transport + ancillary electronics to make them useful and the cost of disposing/recycling. whether photovoltaics will reach the desired efficiency to make them economically and environmentally cost effective before biological (algae, bacteria etc which can "generate" methane or hydrogen for fuel) systems are perfected is an interesting question.

    4. Re:Correction by hedwards · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's correct, but what you failed to note is that the UV spectrum contains a much larger amount of energy than either the visible or the infrared spectra do. Shorter wavelength, higher energy. And the higher energy particles are the ones that are the most desirable anyways.

    5. Re:Correction by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      9.6%! Nothing to write home about.

      As gas prices creep ever higher and coal plants become less and less desirable a partial conversion to solar power starts to become a very possible reality. Adding just one kilowatt worth of solar power to each of America's 116 million homes would reduce the power consumption almost 1/3rd. http://www.frugalfun.com/solarfest.html The system to get "off the grid" discussed my link costs a fair amount of money, and even a 1 KW system costs $10,000 right now, but if the solar panels can suddenly cost 60% less (by being more efficient) then the price of a 1 KW system could reasonably drop to $5000. Not a huge cost when you are talking about much of todays housing market. Five grand is less than the price difference between a Prius (22K) and a Ford Focus (15K). Solar might well become widespread after all, not because it is efficient, but because everything else is slowly rising to match solar power's high initial cost.

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    6. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's because this is their business plan:

      Step 1: Completely destroy protective ozone layer, vastly increasing the amount of incident UV radiation.

      Step 2: ??????????

      Step 3: Usher in new era of "eco-friendly" solar power, and PROFIT!

    7. Re:Correction by phoenixwade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As the alcohol evaporated, a film of closely packed nanoparticles was left firmly fastened to the solar cell.
      Whoa, whoa, whoa! Back up, bad idea! Why? the only issue I could see would be dumping the alcohol into the environment, but since it's evaporating off - building a recovery system into the process would save money in manufacturing, and is a no-brainer. So I'd think it very unlikely that a regular dumping of alcohol into the environment would occur, for the best of reasons from a business point of view - it's cheaper to do it the right way.
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    8. Re:Correction by IConrad01 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A 60% increase in photovoltaic conversion efficiency -- assuming the process as a $0.00 cost, which it will not -- that would represent a roughly 37.5% reduction in cost. Given that this process is, as yet, not self-assembling, the cost is likely to be well into the thousands as-is -- precision alignment of forcibly assembled nanoparticles is expensive ; then you also have to consider the durability issues and the like; any medium of protection for the coating, in the interests of durability for anything resembling a reasonable life-span, will likely again further increase costs. All in all, this is not a solution. We're likely to get more out of the use of self-assembling chlorophyll-based photovoltaic polymers.

    9. Re:Correction by m4cph1sto · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is incorrect. UV radiation is of higher energy, but much lower intensity than light in the visible range, so overall much less energy is extracted from UV, and improving UV efficiency is not a big deal. The technological challenge in the development of photovoltaic materials is to develop a system that works efficiently in the visible range.

    10. Re:Correction by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      the cost of making PV panels is still too high compared to the energy you can harvest using them (I choose to use "harvest" specifically because they capture energy from the sun rather than generating from oil for example) over the expected lifetime of the panels.
      I'm not sure if you're talking about energy cost or economic cost, but either way you are wrong. Solar panels make up their production energy cost in a fraction of their design life, and they are competitive with most non-renewables even at todays cost let alone the expected cost of those sources over the design life of the panels.

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    11. Re:Correction by mikael · · Score: 1

      Another improvement to the efficiency of solar panels is to surround each cell with a little parabolic mirror. Apparently, this helps concentrate the sunlight onto the cell. Then there are methods of stacking two solar cells with different absorption characteristics on top of each other

      I would guess that the future goal is to have solar cells be able to absorb every possible frequency of sunlight.

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    12. Re:Correction by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      Prices have come down a lot since 2002. Commercial installations a beating grid pricing and some financing mechanisms can get residential down to $0.07/kWh: http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/08/tuppence-in-su n.html. This trend of lower prices should continue for a decade at least and will make solar cheaper than all other sources of power. Some business developments in storage may make the combination of solar plus storage as cheap as any other form of power as well: http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/slashdot-users -selling-solar.html. Nice SolarFest blog entry.
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    13. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahahahahaha. Man, you totally missed his point.

      He wasn't talking about the effect it might have on the environment. He was joking about "alcohol" as in booze being left out and undrunk long enough that it evaporated.

      See, in a place like Ireland it's considered near criminal to waste ale or lager. So the thought of alcohol evaporating is a disturbing thought to most Irishmen and Irishwomen. It bothers them much like the thought of global warming bothers environmentalists.

    14. Re:Correction by misleb · · Score: 1

      It is worse than that because it isn't even 60% total increase in efficiency. Just 60% in the ultraviolet range.

      That said, a percentage improvement is good because theoretically it could be applied to future solar cells which will presumably have a much better base efficiency.

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    15. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using your numbers, the difference in price between a Focus (15K) and a Prius (22K) is 7K. 7K is larger than 5K, not less than. If you're offering to sell $7000 for $5000 can I be first in line?

    16. Re:Correction by confused+one · · Score: 1

      One does not want to hear of alcohol being allowed to evaporate... One wants to drink the alcohol.

      (Let us assume it is ethanol, for argument sake.)

    17. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to understand what you've read before attempting to correct it in the future.

    18. Re:Correction by cornjchob · · Score: 1

      precision alignment of forcibly assembled nanoparticles is expensive

      The article said they used an evaporative method to deposit the layer

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    19. Re:Correction by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Is it the Irish or the Scottish that like to imagine that all the beer you've left undrank in your life goes into a post-death barrel? You're supposedly hung over the barrel, by the feet. If you drown, to hell .. if you can breathe easy, to heaven.

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    20. Re:Correction by CaptDeuce · · Score: 1

      See, in a place like Ireland it's considered near criminal to waste ale or lager. So the thought of alcohol evaporating is a disturbing thought to most Irishmen and Irishwomen. It bothers them much like the thought of global warming bothers environmentalists.

      Aye. And the fact that a post from someone who didn't get the bleepin' joke gets modded up as "Insightful" is highly disturbing to us humorists. So...

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    21. Re:Correction by delt0r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The total environmental cost of PV is far lower than almost anything else, and thats based on a 20 year lifetime which easily exceeded. Its pure fallacy that they are a net polluter. Problem is you need to wait 10+ years to get that net gain. Oh and consider that the energy to make the PV cell came from PV cells? Then what......

      Having said that. I'm not a fan of the thin film PV that contain Cd (I don't use NiCd rechargeable's either). I know its not much, but its really nasty stuff.

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    22. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the whole article, and it appears to be nearly self assembling. Also, it doesn't sound like it is all that fragile that it would need some special protective layer. You should go back and read the article word per word.

      As others have said, it may be 60% in only the UV range, but a lot of UV is hitting the ground every day, and it would be nice to put that to work. In addition it provided a 10% increase in the visible spectrum. Any increase in efficiency reduces the payback time on installation.

    23. Re:Correction by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 2, Informative

      The technological challenge in the development of photovoltaic materials is to develop a system that works efficiently in the visible range. That depends on your application. Residential solar power might not be affected as much by this improvement, but space applications are.

      Satellites dont have an ozone layer filtering UV light. They even get light in the UVC range (you know those UVA+UVB sunscreens? there's no UVC sunscreen except for NASA) so the 60% improvement is probably a big number, I'd have to calculate it. Making satellites with smaller panels with a thin film of particles is probably cost effective right away, given current launch costs. Additionally, the article mentions this decreases heating as well, which is probably a good thing in direct sunlight.

      Any rocket scientists out there care to comment?

      Also note that this is improvement is orthogonal to any improvement in visible light absorption. In fact, future improvements in visible light would translate into an improvement in UV with this method.
    24. Re:Correction by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      One does not want to hear of alcohol being allowed to evaporate... One wants to drink the alcohol.

      (Let us assume it is ethanol, for argument sake.) DOH! My bad.

      It was the isopropyl reference that threw me the other way..... As a lame defence of my densness...
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    25. Re:Correction by CodeShark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because a 1 KW system in silicon is silly expensive, not to mention a poor use of "juice".

      Let me give you an example why. I spend about $200 for a set of solar "RV" ventilation fans, but used them in a better way -- ventilating my attic continuously when the sun is up. Each fan has about a 1W cell, but they move a fairly substantial amount of air at about 60 degrees celsius OUT of the attic. I also have about a 15 W panel pumping into an underground pipe array for "geothermal" cooling and back to the house -- so I have a total of about 20W providing literally many KW of cooling.

      Once I have time I build a test rig for at least one of the attic fans out to pump it's share of hot air through an insulated water /radiator panel -- and build the interface to function right through the same hole in the roof -- and watch my hot water bill go way down.

      Net investment? Maybe $500.

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    26. Re:Correction by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I just did a quick and dirty calculation of a 3-4kw home system and it showed that it would take approx 40 years to pay for itself based on electricity prices in my area. Now since electricty prices will probably go up over time, and the money I spent on the PV system is a one time investment, that number is actually going to be smaller. Still, even 30 years is longer than the 25 year lifetime I see for most PV systems.

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    27. Re:Correction by Orne · · Score: 1

      Nuclear is currently under $0.015/kWh, so I would say that there's quite a ways to go for Photovoltaic to become competative. As soon as it is, PV should start appearing in the bulk energy markets around the country. The fact that it's not even in long range planning queue (going out 8 years) of the largest market in the country, that means that the utilities themselves don't believe the technology is evolving fast enough to be competative any time soon.

    28. Re:Correction by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      Solar is currently competitive as distrubuted generation, displacing delivered central generation. It is also developing rapidly in the southwest as central generation, displacing gas. You'll notice wind does not appear in your link either yet wind development in PA is pretty spectacular. You're link may not be the best guide to what is happening. Your number for nuclear power seems low but what is important here is the future cost. You may want to look at table 39 here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/assumption/pdf/ele ctricity.pdf#page=3 keeping track of online years. Nuclear does pretty poorly. Assuming solar beats wind in ten years (and wind continues its decent) nuclear is going to be at the top of pricing.

    29. Re:Correction by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      You just need to pass the vapour through some kind of cold coil to recover it. No alcohol lost; and it could be purer than before.

    30. Re:Correction by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Let's them spend a few hundred billion dollars and buy all the homes in the US solar panels. Cost problem solved.

      Why are we going on about false cost analyses? Oil is subsidized to the tunes of trillions. Yes. The Iraq and soon Iranian war - bear with me here - are already costing a trillion, with Bush promising to stay decades, which will easily cost another trillion. For our money, a lot of contractors are immensely wealthy and the oil has been, well, stolen. And the oil prices went way up and will stay there. So we spend a lot to lock up oil fields, shut off the spigot, and then pay out more to get what oil we can get.

      So let's peel off a trillion or so for solar. Build the giant manufacturing plants -- AND NOT IN CHINA, DAMMIT. Here.

      As a benny, we build -- this is serious -- plants that will decrease the cost per unit to an acceptable level. No more underfunded startups begging for investor cash.

      And let's spend another trillion and develop new battery tech and fund the factories to drop the unit cost down. Buy out and nationalize all those patents that are dying in the dark, make them work for us. Especially sieze the patents on battery and solar tech that Exxon-Mobile are sitting on.

      We'd SAVE trillions and trillions of dollars that will otherwise pump directly into oil companies and "enemy" states as defined by the Warriors on Terror. If national security is so important that we can torch the Constitution and turn ourselves into a Totally Information Aware lockup, at a cost of trillions, we can spend a couple trillion to make us *completely* energy independent of the world.

      The free markets can't hack together what we need in the time we need it. Time to bypass to save our own butts. And save a fortune. Gigafortune.

    31. Re:Correction by speculatrix · · Score: 1
      so, if you are likely to live in a house for at least 25 years, use quite a lot of electricity, get enough sunlight to generate sufficient electricity to make them worthwhile, you might just recover your costs or even make a profit!

      seems like the argument's a no-brainer for those of us in northern europe: instead of PVs, invest in better heat insulation, in waste heat recovery/heat pumps, in double or triple glazing, in waste water recovery/recycling etc... all can have a distinct environmentally positive impact almost immediately and with care needed become an environmental problem for both manufacture or diposal.

  3. now what to do by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    Is it FINALLY going to be efficient enough to add solar panel edging to the trim and room of hybrid cars so they constantly recharge the battery and you can run off it almost all the time? I could see 100+ MPG on a decent liter engine that way.

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    1. Re:now what to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Only if you live on mercury.

    2. Re:now what to do by BUL2294 · · Score: 1

      No way... Look at the moveable LED construction signs on the sides of the road--those have solar panels the size of a car roof (and a battery pack the size of a fat kid's ass). You think the power draw from an 8x3 character LED screen comes anywhere close to giving the power needed to assist a gasoline engine in a car???

      Honestly, I'd be shocked if cars could increase their gas mileage by 5% with solar cells on the roof & an electric motor assisting the gasoline engine using today's technologies...

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    3. Re:now what to do by ILuvRamen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but wait, I drive a Mercury so that counts too lol. But seriously, look on ebay for 150-200 watt solar panels. They're not very large, only about five and a half by three and a half feet. I found a 200 watt one that exact size that claims 12.6% module conversion efficiency which I think isn't so good but let's say this one gets the added bonus from the nano-layer and gets up to like 300 watts. So with a transformer or whatever to get it down to 12 volts from 30-ish volts, that's 25 amps it's putting out in the best sunlight. And my battery charger can charge an entire average car battery in 2 hours at 6 amps and 12 volts. So parked outside of work for 8 hours with a solar panel the size of the roof, hood, and trunk of my car (i.e. 3x the one mentioned above), I could charge empty to full a hybrid car battery with such a large capacity that none like it even exist yet. It'd be somewhere in the neighborhood of like a 600 amp hour battery charged from empty to full, which is about 25x the capacity of a normal car battery I think

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    4. Re:now what to do by PieSquared · · Score: 1

      While running it doesn't do much... but how much power does your car use while it sits in the parking lot outside your office building for 8 hours a day? I could see you getting enough power to go a few miles without gas, maybe double your MPG on the way home.

      So you aren't going to get a solar cell powered car any time soon, but it might be decent for a commute at this point. As long as you can get past the startup cost, of course.

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    5. Re:now what to do by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      How many gallons of gas would you have to save before a solar panel roof paid for itself? If the solar panel roof gives you even one extra MPG it would pay for itself in one hundred gallons. I think the real trick of making a solar panel roof work would be having your car know that it was OK to run the battery down on you way to work, so that it had somewhere to store the solar recharge. Maybe a switch/sensor connected to the clock and the current output of the solar panel would do the trick.

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    6. Re:now what to do by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      Well I never drove a hybrid but I assume if it has a full battery the gas engine idles and the electrical engine takes over completely. That might but be true but I dunno. If that's the case, my car gets approximately 90 MPG according to the realtime MPG chip while coasting off an onrap from 65 MPH to 0 which the engine idling. So if the solar panel cost $1000 which is about right, it'd pay for itself after buying $252 in gas or something like that.

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    7. Re:now what to do by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

      Here we go again. FYI, a gallon of gasoline contains 36.6 KWh (kilowatt-hours) of energy (converted from Wikipedia's MJ/liter). Of course, gasoline engines are only about 30% efficient, so about 10 KWh/gallon isn't a bad estimate.

      Now, .3 KW panel over 8 hours obviously produces 2.4 KWh. That's 1/4 gallon of gasoline per day - about 75 cents at current prices. Not an awful lot.

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    8. Re:now what to do by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Now, .3 KW panel over 8 hours obviously produces 2.4 KWh. That's 1/4 gallon of gasoline per day - about 75 cents at current prices. Not an awful lot.

      Multiply that by .85 to account for the general efficiency of electric drive, and you end up with about 64 cents worth of electricity you get to use. 64 cents is $6.40 every ten days, $19.20 a month, about $230 a year.

      Doesn't sound so minimal anymore, does it? I know I'd look forward to a check for $230 on my birthday...

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    9. Re:now what to do by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      And the cost of the panel compared to that $230?

    10. Re:now what to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming that the solar cells were 100% efficient and you were able to get the approximately 1kW of energy per square meter that the sun provides, that translates into approximately 1.3 horsepower per meter of cells on your car. I don't know how much horsepower your car uses at highway speeds, but I would guess it's probably 20-30 hp at 60 mph or so. I'll leave the rest of the calculation to the reader as an exercise.

    11. Re:now what to do by hyc · · Score: 1

      Pretty good guess.

      http://wps.aw.com/wps/media/objects/877/898586/top ics/topic02.pdf

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    12. Re:now what to do by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Good question; every four years, you get a grand, and good panels last 25 years, so you're looking at $6000 or so; you'd certainly get your money back and then some.

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  4. Re:no need for individual tin hats anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you had me at "hello"

  5. Title misleading by heli_flyer · · Score: 1

    The article says efficiency was boosted by 60% IN THE ULTRAVIOLET REGION. Not overall efficiency.

    1. Re:Title misleading by omgamibig · · Score: 1

      So, we just need to get rid of the ozone layer. Then we are essg entially in the clear.

    2. Re:Title misleading by vranash · · Score: 1

      As sarcastic as I'm sure this post was meant to be, I was thinking essentially the same thing: At this point in time, isn't UV the *MOST* useful band to be increasing solar cell capacity in? Besides the ozone depletion, you supposedly get more UV bouncing around on an overcast day due to smog and cloudcover anyhow, and if it's bad for your skin, then it must be plenty good for your solar cell's 'bad day' electricity production.

      I'll be watching intently for more information on this technology. Given the low wattage computing devices we have coming out now, while it might not be enough to run a car or house off of, I can fully see it covering my cell phone charging, and perhaps even 'perpetual' low-wattage laptop/pda usage during the day, just by wearing a silly hat or backpack array of these panels, even in overcast conditions providing enough outdoor capacity to keep my devices running without looking for an outlet to plug into.

  6. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It only bothers me because he linkjacks it with his blog.

    If he was just posting an article, with a link to the EurekAlert post, it'd be all good. Instead, he has to post about his spammy blog, as well as his (paid?) blog on ZDnet.

    The ratio of decent links to spam is 1:2 in this article.

  7. Where are the numbers? by loshwomp · · Score: 1

    Summary:

    We've just invented a new-and-improved [solar cell|battery|ultracapacitor] and it's really really great but we're not going to quote any actual absolute metrics.

    We have units for expressing solar cell performance, but I didn't see any in TFA.

  8. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, he doesn't post the whole story (60% improvement in the UV spectrum) but rather the more sensational version (60% improvement!). That's pretty dishonest.

  9. TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by purduephotog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While at Purdue one of my friends worked on a process to increase solar cell efficiency by etching TiO2 coatings into long, thin whiskers that helped 'whisk' photons down into the surface of the material. It basically doubled the efficiency of a 3% cell in the visible range. Solar hasn't taken off.

    Glass typically blocks UV. Most glazings contain glass. If this only boosts (and 60%, while a large number, is still a tiny increment in efficiency) the UV efficiency then there may be limited use... unless you count concentrator applications.

    The "Sun Cube" (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/04/sun_cube_ by_gre_1.php uses lenses to concentrate light onto small, very efficient space-grade solar panels. Each panel (if memory serves) was on the order of 1 sqcm, allowing these very expensive but very efficient (25%+) panels to be used. The overall effect was to to take 1 m2 down to 10 sqcm of chips.. and yet have the power output be about the same. Combine that concentrator technology with higher utilization of UV bands AND ultra-efficient space grade panels and you've got a winner (concentrators work ONLY in direct sun- no clouds).

    Just some food for thought.

    1. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful
      [on concentrators]

      The overall effect was to to take 1 m2 down to 10 sqcm of chips.. and yet have the power output be about the same.

      Which matters how if it still takes up 1 m2 of roof space?
       
      Concentrator systems leave me cold because of this. They concentrate (pardon the pun) on increasing the output per cm2 of solar cell - when the real need is to increase the output per m2 of roof space occupied. (The difference is subtle, but important.)
    2. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by Xonstantine · · Score: 1

      Which matters how if it still takes up 1 m2 of roof space? Because solar cells are expensive and concentrators are cheap. The problem with solar cells is primary cost, not space.
    3. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by purduephotog · · Score: 1

      Which matters how if it still takes up 1 m2 of roof space?

      Good point. You can't increase insolation. Go higher or use mirrors, but you're stuck with that 1kw to 1.5kw /m2. BUT say you use a concentrator that only utilizes 10sqcm of capture material. You've invested in the land, the mirrors to drive them, the mechanisms... and suddenly they increase solar performance to 50%. You want to upgrade? Replace 10sqcm of material. Everyone else has to replace 1m2 of material.

      Seeing as the high efficiency solar cell material was going for about 10$/sqcm... were you to have one full meter of it you'd be looking at a very pretty penny. Smaller upgrade costs for a given fixed infrastructure cost.

      Just more food for thought.

      (And yes, I completely agree- but there's no easy way of making a 100km tunnel of vacuum ;-P )

    4. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      If it costs less energy to produce the smaller cells, then you might have something worth using. There's no point going solar if it takes more energy to produce the cell than is captured over its lifetime.

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    5. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by syukton · · Score: 1

      A one square meter polycarbonate or acrylic fresnel lens costs significantly less than a one square meter space-grade solar cell. We're talking orders of magnitude, here. I mean, you can get a 1 m2 fresnel lens for less than $50 ($39 for 0.8m2 here). I don't have a good figure for the cost of space-grade 20+ percent efficient solar cells, but I think we can assume that if your average 1KW system costs about $7K to $10K for 10-percent-ish efficient cells, then we'd probably be looking at a $50,000 or more cost for the high-efficiency ones covering the same amount of area.

      So to answer your question, it matters because solar is too expensive right now for anyone but an aficionado or treehugger to afford. With improvements like this, the overall cost of the system comes down enough that the average person can consider it and do a cost-benefit analysis of the solar power system compared to their electric bill over the short term. "It pays for itself in three years" versus "It pays for itself in thirty years" is pretty powerful stuff.

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    6. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Sometimes.

      But sometimes space is at a premium and that is what you need to optimise for, such as my current application.

      Rgds

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    7. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless you try and install the PV panels while drunk, and drop them off your roof, that just doesn't happen. Depending on the technology used, the initial energy payback for a PV panel is between six months and two years.

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    8. Re:TiO2, UV, and Solar Cubes by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      My back-of-the-envelope calculations indicate that a 3kW system (which is fairly large, as systems go) only requires 17 m^2 (150 ft^2) of roof space. For most people, roof space is not the limiting factor. In fact, if they could make solar panels with half the efficiency at a third the cost, most homeowners would be better off. For most people, the critical metric is output per dollar spent, and that's where concentrator systems are trying to make a name for themselves.

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  10. Man he's right by codefungus · · Score: 1

    That is a researcher holding a silicon solar cell coated with a film of silicon nanoparticles.

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  11. Another breakthrough.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..that none of us probably won't see available. This is like, what, the tenth solar power technology breakthrough this year alone? And still none of it is available to anyone, private person as company alike, as breakthrough after breakthrough just keeps disappearing in thin air a while after the news has gone public.

    1. Re:Another breakthrough.. by timpaton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh FFS, what is it with /.ers and their "Why can't I buy it at Walmart yet?" comments?

      Have you people never heard of research?

      A lot of these stories are of lab demonstrations, or even just theoretical breakthroughs that MAY, one day, be developed to the point that they become useful. Or they may inspire further research that may lead to further research that may eventually be commercialised in a completely different form to how they were first demonstrated.

      If you want to read about new ideas and developments that are unlikely to impact your life for several years, you're in the right place. If you want to read about new products that you can buy right now at your local mega-mall, try the junk mail they stuff in your mail box.

    2. Re:Another breakthrough.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mistake you are doing in your ranting here is that you too consider only what's mentioned here; the breakthroughs shelled out in the news the past 7-8 _months_. There have been breakthroughs in this area reported the past 8-10 _years_ that still have not surfaced in usable shape; some haven't even been mentioned a second time in context of ongoing research.

      If you claim the /.'ers to be narrow and blunt in their comments, atleast you could try to be otherwise by reading up some.

    3. Re:Another breakthrough.. by mdsolar · · Score: 2, Informative

      The AC has a point though that slashdot does not do a lot of followup. For example this 2005 article: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/2 8/1224245 has not really had a follow up to say that they have products on the market now: http://www.nanosolar.com/products.htm, or that this 2004 article: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/2 2/1534212 about solar shingles is also seeing application in new housing now. Looking back, there are articles on ideas that have not panned out so far, especially in organic solar technology. But, that does not mean that they won't.
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    4. Re:Another breakthrough.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another nanotech solar technology taking off!

      http://www.dyesol.com/

      Dyesol's technology is based on Dye Solar Cell (DSC), which has been identified in the Japanese and EU Photovoltaic Roadmaps as the emerging solar technology, it has also been called the most promising advance in solar cell technology since the invention of the silicon cell.

      DSC technology can best be described as 'artificial photosynthesis' using an electrolyte, a layer of titania (a pigment used in white paints and tooth paste) and ruthenium dye sandwiched between glass. Light striking the dye excites electrons which are absorbed by the titania to become an electric current many times stronger than that found in natural photosynthesis in plants.

      Compared to conventional silicon based photovoltaic technology, Dyesol's technology has lower cost and embodied energy in manufacture, it produces electricity more efficiently even in low light conditions and can be directly incorporated into buildings by replacing conventional glass panels rather than taking up roof or extra land area.

      Advantages include not necessitating the use of high-priced raw materials, a manufacturing process that does not produce toxic emissions, and the potential for rapid efficiency enhancement.

      Dyesol enjoys a lead position in developing and commercialising DSC technology.

  12. 60% more than ~0 is hardly very much by Chalex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So I RTFA, and here's the bit: "improves power performance by 60 percent in the ultraviolet range of the spectrum" and "in conventional solar cells, ultraviolet light is either filtered out or absorbed by the silicon and converted into potentially damaging heat, not electricity."

    So a conventional solar cell gets ~0 energy from this part of the spectrum, but if you coat it with this special coating, it gets 60% more! And how much is that exactly?

    Now if you use a different coating (2.85nm), then it improves performance "in the visible part of the spectrum" by 10%. How much energy does a conventional solar cell get from just the visible part of the spectrum? Unspecified!

  13. Re:Try reading the article. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    It only bothers me because he linkjacks it with his blog.

    Hmmm... How many other blogs and sites featured at Slashdot also have ads? Nearly ALL of them?

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  14. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ratio of decent links to spam is 1:2 in this article.

    More like 1:1

  15. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, he provides valuable content. He distills complex scientific material into concise, pointed articles that average people can understand. My background is in accounting, not science. I'm still interested in the discoveries that are made. But I don't want to sit there and read pages and pages of scientific journals, most of which I won't understand.

    But thanks to Roland, those discoveries become known to people like me. I appreciate the work that those scientists are doing, because Roland brought me word of their findings in a way that I can easily and quickly digest. That's true value, my friend. He's made me more productive and more knowledgeable by summarizing otherwise lengthy journal articles.

  16. Don't make it right. by FatSean · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  17. Still something by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's still something, because to knock an electron out, the minimum frequency of the photon has to be at least the difference between the conduction band (where you want that electron) and the lower-energy valence band (where the electron originally is.) So you have a minimum energy cut off point. Exactly where that is, depends on the material, but generally you won't get any power out of the infrared falling on that cell.

    However, the downside is that photons with higher energy than that bandgap, well, the extra energy is essentially wasted.

    So basically, say, if you used Germanium at 0.67 EV bandgap, you'd catch more photons than with Silicium at 1.11 EV bandgap, but get less useful energy (i.e., electricity as opposed to heat) out of each photon.

    And the higher frequency the photon, the more you waste as heat. So you won't waste more in the visible spectrum (well, unless the photon had less energy than the bandgap, in which case it's completely wasted), but in the UV spectrum you waste a lot.

    So reducing the waste in the UV spectrum is really where it counts the most. Sure, it would be neat to gain everywhere, but the UV range is where we waste the most.

    Their talk about fluorescent particles, makes me think they're essentially converting an UV photon into at least one lower frequency photon. The question is what they do with the extra energy. At the simplest imaginable way, you'd get at least two low energy photons from one UV photon.

    On the other hand, it seems to be a bit more than that, from that short summary linked to. From their claim that they improve voltage, not just current, and that something happens at the interface between the particles and the substrate, it sounds like essentially they created a bunch of new junctions there. I.e., that it's a new way to make a multi-junction solar cell.

    Multi-junction cells aren't exactly new, but traditionally they've been very expensive so far. If these guys invented a cheap way to make one, kudos to them.

    On yet another hand, it will be interesting to see on exactly what existing cells can their film be applied. On silicon or other semiconductors, ok, I can see how it would form an extra junction. Would it also work on, say, Dye-sensitized Solar Cells? There essentially their particles would come on top of the dye, and I'm not sure how well that works. It'll be interesting to find out, eventually.

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    1. Re:Still something by largesnike · · Score: 1

      On yet another hand... far out man!, how may hands have you got?
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    2. Re:Still something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you'd catch more photons than with Silicium

      Isn't that next to Dilithium in the periodic table?

      I kid, I kid...

    3. Re:Still something by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your 'multi-junction is expensive' point. I have a UniSolar ES62 multijunction amorphous panel sitting out in my garden right now because it was the *cheapest* W/£ that I could buy.

      Rgds

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    4. Re:Still something by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      However, the downside is that photons with higher energy than that bandgap, well, the extra energy is essentially wasted.

      Since the energy that isn't converted into electricity becomes heat, would it not be sensible to mount the photovoltaic cells on the surface of thermal solar panels (i.e. water heaters)? That way, the solar panels on your roof can provide the power for your TV and the heat for your shower at the same time.

    5. Re:Still something by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      From a practical perspective, since this is a very thin nanoparticle film would it be possible to clean off these cells without damaging the film? And if you put a protective coating over the nanoparticle film would you lower the efficiency by doing so? Just look at the mars rovers for examples of how dust accumulation on cells can be a problem.

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  18. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Big difference between posting something original on a blog with ads, and paraphrasing an article on your own ad-filled blog solely for the revenue.

    If I went around ripping off the AP, I'd get a nastygram from their lawyers. Why do we tolerate it more when it's a creepy-looking Frenchman?

  19. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 1

    His name link to primidi (his blog), plus his link to ZDnet (also his blog) in the article body, VS one link to the article in question.

  20. Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The process of coating solar cells with silicon nanoparticles could be easily incorporated into the manufacturing process with little additional cost, Nayfeh said.


    How about something to make solar cheaper to purchase, so that the initial investment can be recouped before the expected replacement date?
    1. Re:Cost by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Making cells more efficient does make panels cheaper, since you need fewer cells for the same power output. Or, if you are trying to cover a fixed area, it means that you have more surplus power to sell back to the grid to help cover the cost.

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    2. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      I take your point; what I'm trying to get at is the inital outlay for solar isn't recouped over the life of the installation.

      For example[1]: if you need one $15,000 super duper efficient unit, or 10 $1,500 electric shack bargain bin units, if the savings over the life of the unit is $10,000 the inital outlay is too expensive. This doesn't cover maintenance costs over the life of the unit(s), which would decrease the savings.

      [1] costs illustrative only.

    3. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Back in the 1960s photovoltaics were a very expensive proposition but wide scale semiconductor fabrication changed all that. The parent poster and moderators should consider more recent information.

    4. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1

      These are photovoltaics - the things we have on satellites, navigation bouys and other places where nobody goes. Where do you get the idea that maintainance is a significant cost?

    5. Re:Cost by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Why don't you just post more recent information instead of telling the OP that they're ignorant?

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    6. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why don't you just post more recent information instead of telling the OP that they're ignorant?

      OK. Zone refining of silicon is done in large quantities now at much lower energy usage and cost than before and the high qualitity single crystal silicon ingots are cut into large wafers that are used to make things like microprocessors and solar cells. Thanks to the huge demand for semiconductors silicon solar cells are nowhere near as expensive as they were in the 1960's. There are some that are not made that way and they are still expensive.

      Is that enough to address an argument that is thirty years out of date?

    7. Re:Cost by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Is that enough to address an argument that is thirty years out of date? no.
      Give us some numbers.
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    8. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      I don't know about a "significant" cost, but I presume non-zero.

    9. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1
      OK - to rephrase what I wrote above into a question:

      What is your estimate of the yearly maintainace costs on an array of solar cells in a communications satellite in geostationary orbit?

      The only sane answer here IS zero. Closer to home - when was the last time you replaced the solar cells in your pocket calculator?

      If you have a lot of things out in the open you have to worry about corrosion of associated parts like framework - but this imagined high maintaince cost really needs to consider the context of something very close to chemically inert with no moving parts.

    10. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      I think we're talking past each other.

      I'm not saying maintenence costs are high; I'm saying the inital purchase price of the gear isn't recouped over the life of the gear.

      With net metering, maintenance would likely be low / maybe zero ( no batteries ) but in a system with batteries there's at least terminals to clean off from time to time, battery electrolyte levels to maintain, etc. .

      Again, not that maintenance is a significant cost in the overall system, but that the overall system doesn't pay for itself outside of net metering.

    11. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1

      We are not talking past each other - I am trying to politely point out where you are wrong without making you feel like an idiot. Unfortuantely being fed and believing an argument that has been wrong for thirty years does not help. The initial purchase price and energy input is not as high as it was in the 1960s and ongoing costs are very low or even zero in some cases - it is a technology that is designed for remote sites in the first place!

    12. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1
      Then explain this from mother earth news.

      If you live in an area where net metering is not available, a solar electric system for your home probably won't pay for itself during your lifetime, unless the declining supply of coal and oil causes unprecedented increases in the cost of electricity. Your money may be better spent on energy- efficient home improvements.


      It seems that in absence of a net-metering scheme, solar power doesn't pay for itself. That's the point.

      Satelites are irrelevant to the discussion; there aren't the options in orbit there are in a terrestrial environment.
    13. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Hang on. It should be extremely obvious that if you are paying a flat rate for electricity whether you are using it or not means that saving electricity does not save you money. Weird edge cases like this do not stop the technology being useful in general in a lot of situations.

    14. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and this is what I ment by "we're talking past each other".

      I'm not saying solar isn't useful; far from it.

      I'm saying that without net metering the inital investment in solar for the end-user isn't recouped. 35 states have some sort of net metering in place(1) so there is progress.

      Ideally I'd like to see research into reducing the end-user's inital investment to the point that even without net metering the inital investment is recouped within the service life of the gear. Ideally, within 50% of the useful life.

      If progress was made, I'd think we'd see an wide scale switch to solar. As many others have stated, for many people the only green they care about is money. When solar either pays for itself ( or even better, turns a profit ) then renewable energy becomes profitable. Those who want clean energy and those who like profits would have the same method to achieve their goals.

      1) http://www.eere.energy.gov/greenpower/markets/netm etering.shtml

    15. Re:Cost by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Throughout most of the world this weird edge case does not exist. Even when you have that it is going to pay for itself in remote sites. Also extrapolating some local government handouts that allow electricity generators to run without charging on the basis of usage to the entire world is somewhat unrealistic and does not warrant the blanket suggestion that solar never pays for itself - it looks like grasping for straws after the fact to make this blanket statement that was wrong in the 1970s look a bit less silly.

    16. Re:Cost by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

      It's not "blanket statement that was wrong in the 1970s". It's current economics from today. Unless you think mother earth jones is a shill for big oil, or something.

      Unless you can show hard numbers to the contrary, I think we're done here.

  21. Correction-Capturing ancient plants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "(I choose to use "harvest" specifically because they capture energy from the sun rather than generating from oil for example) over the expected lifetime of the panels."

    And how do you think plants get their energy? By burning dinosaurs?

  22. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow...you are very ignorant. OPEN YOUR EYES, MAN! Thanks to Roland, 2000 babies die every year of spamosis! Thanks to Roland, AIDS is ravaging parts of Africa. And thanks to Roland, kittens will die! Open your eyes... And stop the hate.

  23. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know Roland gets a lot of hatred here, but he actually provides us with some of the most interesting articles
    So instead of jumping on the hate train, read his article...

    Hey Roland - how's it going? Figured out another way to try to get people to read your blog?
  24. Seems best suited for non-terrestrial uses by Shadowlore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, we need to be careful here. A 60% improvement in the conversion among UV spectrum does not necessarily equate to a 60% increase in a given PV cell. If the particular cell is more of an infrared or visible light spectrum oriented cell, you'll see a minor, if any, improvement. So before anyone starts grabbing random solar cell outputs and starts applying a 60% increase in power and get modded "insightful" for bad information, let's get that part out there.;)

    With the main advantage being in the UV spectrum, it seems to me the best application would be to UV preferential cells in orbit or on Mars, Luna, etc.. Doubly so given the difficulty in shedding excess heat in Space.

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    1. Re:Seems best suited for non-terrestrial uses by hacker · · Score: 1

      With the main advantage being in the UV spectrum, it seems to me the best application would be to UV preferential cells in orbit or on Mars, Luna, etc.. Doubly so given the difficulty in shedding excess heat in Space.

      As you no-doubt know, current PV cells only capture the visible light spectrum, and that means unobscured, near-direct sunlight during the daytime.

      The biggest advantage I see from a PV cell that can capture and turn UV into electricity, is the ability for it to continue to provide power during cloudy, rainy, inclement weather.

      The last piece we need is to find a way to capture the IR spectrum, so we can continue to provide power with PV cells during the dark of night, and we can probably call this technology truly renewable.

      Right now, there's "free money" raining down on us for a good 1/3 to 1/2 of the day, and we just ignore it.

    2. Re:Seems best suited for non-terrestrial uses by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      The 60% number is pretty useless really. They need to state clearly the actual, real-world power output improvement to be expected by applying this coating to modern photocells. Is it 50%, or 0.02%, or what?

  25. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nice astroturf. He distills a half-page article into a half page blog post. Inaccurately.

    Placing a film of silicon nanoparticles onto a silicon solar cell can boost power, reduce heat and prolong the cell's life, researchers now report.
    "Integrating a high-quality film of silicon nanoparticles 1 nanometer in size directly onto silicon solar cells improves power performance by 60 percent in the ultraviolet range of the spectrum,"
    Becomes

    Physicists from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) say they have improved the performance of solar cells by 60 percent. And they obtained this spectacular result by using a very simple trick. They've coated the solar cells with a film of 1-nanometer thick silicon fluorescing nanoparticles.

    That's a whole 12 characters shorter, and leaves out the important words 'in the ultraviolet spectrum', which changes the meaning completely. Also, those emitted words are 27 characters long, so if they were properly included, his summary is actually more wordy than the original source.

    It's almost word for word. And it's wrong.

  26. Amazing. by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

    How many of these new cells would it take to power this I wonder? With that 60% increase of the 0% we were getting previously from the UV band, I would imagine quite a few bananas will get eaten before those monkeys actually collide!

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  27. Re:Try reading the article. by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Big difference between posting something original on a blog with ads, and paraphrasing an article on your own ad-filled blog solely for the revenue.

    Doesn't that describe slashdot pretty well?

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  28. Please Rationally Consider My Very Valid Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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  29. 100% efficiency ... what would it bring? by Dillenger69 · · Score: 1

    so ...

    Would a 100% efficient solar cell be black, non reflective, and cold to the touch in full sunlight?

    If all the light went in the front and the only energy leaving were through wires in the back it would have to be, wouldn't it?

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  30. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 1

    Well, this is a community site, where I can spout off my opinions. So, yes, but with the addition of trolls, and editors, and other people and viewpoints.

  31. UV light by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

    much UV light penetrates cloud cover directly, so this enhancement may be a good boost for solar power on cloudy days, when it may be needed more.

  32. Voltage by benhocking · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So basically, say, if you used Germanium at 0.67 EV bandgap, you'd catch more photons than with Silicium at 1.11 EV bandgap, but get less useful energy (i.e., electricity as opposed to heat) out of each photon.
    Can't you just increase the operating voltage to capture most of the extra energy? An electron moving across a larger voltage produces more energy. How large you can set the voltage depends on the energy in the electrons being knocked out — or am I missing something?
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    1. Re:Voltage by mdsolar · · Score: 3, Informative

      In a detector you are correct but in a power device you use the doping gradient because bias voltages leak, defeating the purpose.
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  33. Refreshing by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    It's good to finally see an article about solar cell efficiency improvements where an actual prototype has been built and tested.

  34. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He brings up a very good point. +1 Informative!

  35. So mark him down by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    In Firehose.

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  36. Re:Try reading the article. by CraniumDesigns · · Score: 0

    it's not dishonest. it's misleading, but not dishonest. it's like saying "4 out of 5 dentists recommend...". it could be 5 insane quack dentists. you don't t think that when you read/hear it, but it's still accurate.

  37. The best part? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only five years away?

  38. Watch... by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 0, Troll

    Cue the Exxon-Mobil lobbyists and lawyers to try to make this illegal, or to purchase the patent outright...

  39. Silicon Nanoparticles by GravitonMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    At the end of the blog Roland asked why they didnt use multiple sizes of silicon nanoparticles, this was my long winded reply:

    I am a graduate student working on the synthesis of silicon nanoparticles for solar cells and other applications. While silicon nanoparticles have been syntheszed for over 20 years, and their are many ways of synthesizing them, it is still very difficult to control the size of the particles. Unlike CdSe based quantum dots where the size of the particles is determined by how long your let the reaction run for, 1 min for blue 30 min for red, and various time lengths for other colors, silicon nanoparticles are more complex.

    Silicon nanopariticles while they are still quantum dots, since the energy levels are somewhat quantized emit very differently as well. Silicon is an indirect band gap semiconductor, however the blue emitting silicon nanoparticles emit light with a direct band gap transisiton, where as they red emitting silicon nanoparticles are controlled by more surface effects and emit in a low energy indirect band gap transition which is slower and allows for more energy loss in other modes.

    Anyways, what it comes down to, is it is difficult to make various sizes of silicon nanoparticles. I would also like to add that this technique is not very promissing for several reasons, they epense and other problems with traditional silicon etched solar cells still exist. Cost, lack of flexibility, low effeciency, heavy, glass... This method does not take full advantage of multiple exciton generation which was just proved for silicon nanoparticles in ACS journal of Nano Letters this week. PbSe quamtum dots have shown to generate 7 exciton for just one photon, which in theory could be converted to 7 electrons from 1 photon...someday. But 2.6 excitons from silicon nanoparticles is still pretty good. Especially when I have a way to get the excitons into free electrons And silicon is a non-toxic cheaper alternative to the PbSe quantum dots.

  40. You're simply.. wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cost of solar panels today is completely recouped in areas where electricity is expensive.

    Here in Southern California, panels pay for themselves in about ten years, but will last at least 25 years with 85% efficiency. Guaranteed.

    Even if you figure the life as 30 years, and factor out the state rebate, the panels are still generating twice as much "money" as they cost. If you're one of the poor saps in the fourth or fifth "tier" over-baseline, you can recoup the cost of a small residential PV in five to eight years!

    And if you think electricity won't get more expensive over the next 25 years, well...

    1. Re:You're simply.. wrong. by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1
      Not according to mother earth news

      If you live in an area where net metering is not available, a solar electric system for your home probably won't pay for itself during your lifetime, unless the declining supply of coal and oil causes unprecedented increases in the cost of electricity. Your money may be better spent on energy- efficient home improvements.

  41. Yes! by Hanging+By+A+Thread · · Score: 3, Funny

    So now I can use my calculator with my black light......groovy!

  42. Satellite Use? by Yehooti · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we could shed about 60% of the solar panels on our space vehicles, that would be a tremendous boost in our ability to launch neat stuff cheaper. The question that comes up though is, how well will this new coating survive the rigors of the space environment? If it degrades faster than our current choice then we probably cannot qualify it as a replacement for our current cells. Until that question is addressed, flown and tested, this remains as only a neat future potential. Space drives the race.

    1. Re:Satellite Use? by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

      In reading this, (I support a customer who does sat cells) it would look like you might get between 3 and 10 percent possibly. But space level cells are gallium arsenide based and not silicon. Since I do not work in the front end i will not guess.

    2. Re:Satellite Use? by Herve5 · · Score: 1

      On space solar arrays you always get a thin protective cover glass on top of the cells; this to some extent will also protect your fluorescent layer (which anyway may age the way all fluorescent tubes do).
      Indeed in sizing a solar array you use end-of-life efficiencies (generally way poorer than BOL: a sat lasts more than a dozen years by now); how the fluo layer ages will be of the essence...

      Hervé (having been a space system designer for quite a while, some years ago)

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  43. not cool by epine · · Score: 1

    The whole stupid FA never once gives the percentage improvement when exposed to a sunlight spectrum. Not cool. Not cool at all. I'm sure it was an easy oversight. Sunlight is an obscure point of reference in this debate. After all, sunlight is nowhere near as common as water or air.

  44. Re:Try reading the article. by geobeck · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why do we tolerate it more when it's a creepy-looking Frenchman?

    I've asked that question after every Gerard Depardieu movie.

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  45. Re:Try reading the article. by geobeck · · Score: 1

    Why do we tolerate it more when it's a creepy-looking Frenchman?

    Because if we don't, he will fart in our general direction, you silly English kiniggit!

    (Sorry, I couldn't resist the two-fer.)

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  46. Re:100% efficiency ... what would it bring? by imikem · · Score: 1

    In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

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  47. Re:Try reading the article. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1
    I went to his blog to see what all the fuss was about. Then I read your comment. When I was on his blog I didn't see a single ad, wondered why people don't like him. Also wondered why he bothers since it can't gain him anything because of no ads.

    Now I realize it's because I'm running Firefox with adblock (and noscript). I'm so used to a net without ads I had pretty much forgotten their existence. Which leads me to wonder - why is a typical Slashdot reader (you're typical, right?) seeing ads? Why are you not running Firefox with adblock (and maybe noscript)?

    The stuff people put up with willingly or out of conservativism (the little 'c' kind, the kind that makes you averse to change)... I just don't get it.

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  48. Re:Try reading the article. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    They are using the fairly superior Internet explorer 7.

    It has all the wanted features of firefox and other popular browsers that have been making headway on Microsoft's browser lock in market.

    Ehh. the real reason is marketing speak. Someone has tricked the drugstore geek.

  49. This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The nanoparticles improve efficiency by 60% in the ultraviolet spectrum. The visible light spectrum is only nominally affected.

    It's still pretty cool, though.


    This whole series of "only 60% of the UV part" threads is missing the rest of the article. That was just for ONE size of naonparticle, suitable for converting light to the middle of the visible range. They ran the tests for another size, suitable for converting to visible red, and got a higher conversion result, as expected.

    Solar cells completely miss photons below the bandgap energy and only peel off the bandgap energy from those above it. They have a bandgap in the infrared so they get most photons, but only take that first 0.6 electron-volt chunk of their energy and lose the rest as heat. That's great if you have an infrared photon at 0.603 eV, not so hot for visible light photons at 1.8-3.1 eV, and pretty crummy for UV photons at 3.1 to 12 or so eV.

    Films of nanoparticles have an interesting property: They absorb photons of various wavelengths and emit photons of particular wavelengths related to their size. But they don't do that in the solar-cell style of chopping the right-sized hunk off a more energetic photon and throwing the rest away. Instead they are able to combine energy from multiple lower-energy photons to generate one of the desired energy, chop several desired energy photons out of a high-energy one (and keep the leftover shavings to combine with others to make more desired-energy photons), and trade energy among their neighboring particles.

    So it was expected that a film of nanoparticles on a solar cell would grab the energy from photons all over the spectrum, convert it to the energy characteristic of the nanoparticle size, and re-emit that. The improvement from efficiently salami-slicing and stacking photons should be better than losses from such things as emitting the photon in the wrong direction, giving a big boost to the cell.

    And to some extent that was happening: Feed UV photons to nanoparticles that chunk 'em into something in the 3 eV range and you get more out of the UV hitting the cell than you would without the film - without appreciably affecting the output from the visible light. You're averaging about 1 2/3 IR photons worth of energy, instead of 1, for each incoming photon. Feed it to nanoparticles that chunk it up finer, down to 2 eV or so, and you get more out of your UV and also start improving on even visible light.

    That's a good sign for doing what you really wanted to do: Use nanoparticles that emit just a tiny squidge above the solar-cell's bandgap, chunking all the photons into the right size for the cell and wasting very little of their energy. (But maybe still losing a bunch by emitting them in the wrong direction. That might be improved by putting the nanoparticles at the bottom of wells in the cell rather than on a flat surface.)

    But the experiment produced a surprise: The VOLTAGE went up! WTF?

    That means one of two things:
      a) The nanoparticles affected the bandgap.
      b) The nanoparticles coupled directly into the cell's "circuitry" in some non-obvious way.

    b) might lead to something even better: Nanoparticles that capture the photons, chunk and stack them into some desired size (voltage), and deliver them directly to the wiring. That could get virtually ALL the incoming energy into your wires.

    A solar cell with efficiencies in the .90s could be a whole heck of a lot better than even the experimenters were originally chasing. So it's no wonder they published now, with only two sizes of particles tested.

    Hot DAMN!

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    1. Re:This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by robbak · · Score: 1

      What I'd like to know: Why wasn't _that_ the original article? Assuming it is correct, it is orders of magnitude more informative than either articles! mod informative +10!!

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    2. Re:This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would different layers / nano particle size make panels more suitable for use at different locations: near the poles, the equator, higher/lower altitudes, cloudy environments, etc ?

      I wonder whether the top layer will get dirty fast with a texture like that and covering the panels with an easier to clean surface influence the spectrum negative again. I guess with the bad influence that UV had so far on solar panels they filtered it out with normal glass that cuts near 350 Nm. No option to use that for an extended spectrum panel.

    3. Re:This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'd like to know: Why wasn't _that_ the original article?

      Welcome to the world of Roland Piquepaille.

    4. Re:This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Are there PV materials that are transparent (or close to it) outside of their bandgap? If so it would be interesting to take a page from nature. Many animals (i.e. cats) have a reflective layer behind the retina that gives the neurons a 2nd chance to absoarb the photons they missed. If it hasn't been tried already, maybe a cell could be designed with the PV layer on top, a layer of "converter particles" for coverting photons into the desired bandwidth under it, and a reflective layer on the bottom. That way any photons missed by either layer or emitted in the wrong direction by the nanoparticle layer would have a 2nd chance to be absoarbed.

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    5. Re:This 60% UV is just ONE of the configs... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Such materials are generally transparent (if thin enough) for photons at energies below the bandgap.

      Some amorphous flexible solar panels use exactly the technique you described, with three layers collecting short-wavelength, medium-wavelength, and long-wavelength photons as you go inward.

      There are limits to how well you can do this. For starters: With multiple cells (in this case: layers) in series the current is limited by the cell/layer with the least current output. You need a photon to pump each electron across a cell, so you need three photons, one in each of three frequency bands, to pump it across all three.

      Thus you try to pick bandgaps so similar numbers of photons will be absorbed in each layer under typical lighting conditions. And you take an big output hit if any one of the bands is obscured - for instance, by overcast.

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  50. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > it's not dishonest. it's misleading, but not dishonest.

    Honest people don't mislead others. Natch.

  51. Re:Try reading the article. by blackicye · · Score: 1

    It only bothers me because he linkjacks it with his blog.

    Hmmm... How many other blogs and sites featured at Slashdot also have ads? Nearly ALL of them?


    Hmmm...How many other blogs and sites featured at Slashdot with ads is "featured" on a weekly basis with low signal to noise ratios? One, Piqy's blog.
  52. Silicium? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, you are too late to send your letter to the Prussian consulate via the 4:30 autogyro to Siam.

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    1. Re:Silicium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Mr Burns would say, "Post haste!"

  53. Re:Try reading the article. by danlock4 · · Score: 0

    Hmmm... How many other blogs and sites featured at Slashdot also have ads? Nearly ALL of them? It depends on how good your browser's ad-blocker is.
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  54. Re:Try reading the article. by shaitand · · Score: 1

    'Doesn't that describe slashdot pretty well?'

    Yeah but the Slashdot editors don't submit the slashdot version of the articles to other sites.

  55. Re:100% efficiency ... what would it bring? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    100%? Actually, yes it would be.

    Imagine coming across such a solar cell. It would be weird to touch something that's a solid black in full sunlight and have it feel cool to the touch.

    Also, the cell would be COMPLETELY black. Absolutely no reflected light. It would basically look like a perfect shadow.

  56. Re:Try reading the article. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if it's not blocking the ads, then it doesn't have all of the wanted features.

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  57. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, those emitted words
    Tip: "omitted" is the word you're looking for.

    Your friendly neighborhood Grammar Nazi
  58. Should be even better for spacecraft? by agengr · · Score: 1

    I would suspect that improving the UV spectrum has the most benefit in spaceflight where there is no ozone layer filtering UV rays. The power/mass ratio of solar PV could be one of the driving factors in what sort of propulsion takes us beyond the Earth-Moon system.

  59. Re:Try reading the article. by Splab · · Score: 1

    I have noticed he isn't the only one doing it and it really pisses me off when you read some blog and want the original article, only links is to other blogs and you just keep going in circles never actually being able to see what the original source was.

  60. Link troll boosts article performance by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    by simply covering the article with a thin layer of bullshit.

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  61. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 1

    Sorry about that, I switched to dvorak and have been mixing O, E, and A up. It was strictly a typo.

  62. Re:Try reading the article. by Baddas · · Score: 1

    I do use these things, but as someone who'd like to someday make money off of writing things, linkjackers really bother me a lot.

    I've already found one of my articles linkjacked, actually, just ripped off. It's not a happy feeling.

  63. Re:Try reading the article. by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1

    well, that's the internet for ya.

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  64. Re:Try reading the article. by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid Content is not King.

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  65. Re:Try reading the article. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    I guess you missed the joke. It was only superior in the marketing speak.

  66. Re:Try reading the article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody else has had it for 2 weeks already by then.

  67. Re:100% efficiency ... what would it bring? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I believe it would be the same temperature as the surrounding air. To actually be cold, it would have to be turning thermal energy into electricity as well.

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  68. The numbers don't add up.... by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    The numbers bandied about don't add up to anything.

    Voltage by itself is meaningless, we need POWER, which is voltage times current. No mention of the current in the article.

    If they're getting the extra voltage by putting these nanoparticles in series with the regular cell, then the nanoparticle layer current will be the limiting factor. And IIRC there's far fewer ultraviolet photons than visible or infrared ones.

    So it's not clear how much of a win, if any, this new development is.

    And as solar cells are still several powers of ten less economical than anything else, it may be a net loss if the gain is overshadowed by increased cost or decreased durability.

    1. Re:The numbers don't add up.... by silverpig · · Score: 1

      That's not how they work at all. There's no current flowing through the nanoparticle layer. All that layer does is take UV photons and convert them into visible photons.

      Voltage is not meaningless. The increase in voltage by adding this layer says something very important about the physics of the material. It's akin to taking your standard 12V car battery, coating the leads with mystery material and having it magically operate at 20V where the mystery material isn't any kind of EMF source.

      Current can be made arbitrarily large by making a cell of arbitrary size. There is also a question of fill factor and peak power tracking, as the cell's output will depend on the load across it.

  69. One cell to light up the world by Rsriram · · Score: 1

    I have read hundreds of articles which claim improvements of 50-100% over all previous solar cells. Based on my understanding, a single solar cell (2 inches by 2 inches) should be enough to light up the entire world. Somehow, I get a feeling that we are still mostly using other non-renewable forms of energy. I wonder why!!

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  70. Re:Try reading the article. by somersault · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that the words had to disappear to somewhere, and I'm guessing they were emitted out of his ass like the rest, but somehow came to rest in a different location than his bLoggings.

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  71. If you don't like him, just digg him down... by Torqued · · Score: 1

    oh.. wait! uh.. nevermind...

  72. Hooray! Free energy at last! by ydra2 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to post this exact same text on every article about fuel cells, batteries, bio-fuels, wind power, solar cells, wave energy, geothermal, nuclear, tidal action, and all the other silly articles about imminent energy breakthroughs that never seem to amount to anything substantial in any amount of time. This one won't either.

  73. Photovoltaics Net Energy Payback by ShadowBot · · Score: 1

    This arguement keeps coming up. For some reason a group of people seem totally convinced that Solar Cells are a uselss investment as they will never pay for them selves.

    First of all, this is obviously a flawed arguement. Afterall, as PV effeciencies rise (and they have been rising for many years) and manufacturing techniques improve, they will inevitably reach the point where PV start to pay for themselves (both in $$ and in energy) will continue to get shorter and shorter!

    And secondly, the point is totally wrong!! As many other posters have also pointed out, Solar Panels are usually guaranteed for 20 years of operation and even the worst estimates put them at a break even date of 8-12 years.

    Here is an example of the numbers you've requested.
    http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/smt310-handouts/solarp an/pvpayback.htm

    And lastly, the argument is self-defeating! If you're worried about the amount of non-renewable energy we as a race are using, shouldn't you be celebrating improvements in efficiency and production?
    Afterall this makes it more likely that your dreams of 100% renewable energy is more likely to come true. By complaining that all the most promising enrgy break throughs in recent times are not "net efficient" you are discouraging others from doing further work in those areas. That leaves us only with the areas which we already know are unsustainable!

    Is that what you'd prefer?

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    1. Re:Photovoltaics Net Energy Payback by ErikZ · · Score: 1
      "For some reason a group of people seem totally convinced that Solar Cells are a uselss investment as they will never pay for them selves."

      Well yeah. If it were so great, power companies would be going out of business. At the very least, you wouldn't need government subsidies.

      Afterall, as PV effeciencies rise (and they have been rising for many years) and manufacturing techniques improve, they will inevitably reach the point where PV start to pay for themselves (both in $$ and in energy) will continue to get shorter and shorter!

      Yes, but you've changed your time reference. Your first statement is saying that people think Solar Cells are useless *now*. Your rebuttal is that *someday* they'll pay for themselves.

      "The 1983 book by Hu and White summarises the results from a 1977 Solarex study which found an energy payback time of 6.4 years for the manufacture of solar modules using silicon cells of 12.5 per cent efficiency."

      You've linked to an article, that references a book, that relies on a study... from THIRTY YEARS ago? A study from a company that sold solar cells? Are you serious?

      Let me grab a few choice quotes from my local solar sales page http://colorado.realgoodssolar.com/

      Today, with Colorado utility rebates and the Federal Energy Tax credit, that $6 per kWh cost has come down to around $.088/kWh, a 98% drop in only 24 years! What this means for you is that you'll be guaranteeing yourself an electrical rate of $.088/kWh for the next 30 years, over which time we all know electrical rates from the utilities will be sharply increasing.

      Xcel Energy will issue a rebate and REC (Renewable Energy Credit) purchase that totals $4.50 per system DC watt, for systems under 10kw in size. What that means for you is on a qualifying 2.5kw system (typical installed costs for a 2.5kw system would be in the $20,000 to $25,000 range) you would be eligible for an $11,250 rebate. Combine that with the Federal Tax Credit available January 1, 2006 of 30% of the adjusted cost of the system up to $2000; you would have a $13,250 reduction in the total system cost! The Xcel Rebate and Federal Tax Credit would cover up to 66% of the installed system cost!


      Ta da. Actual. Current. Numbers. No hand waving around. No vague promises on what things will be like in the future.

      This isn't rocket surgery folks!
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    2. Re:Photovoltaics Net Energy Payback by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You've linked to an article, that references a book, that relies on a study... from THIRTY YEARS ago?

      He's right. The semiconductor revolution happened. The high cost that the earlier poster was talking about was a dead issue more than thirty years ago and things are even cheaper now. If you want actual numbers look at a wholesale parts catalogue, get a price and work it out yourself - these things are a commodity.

      As for the reason why they are not everwhere - if you double the area of photovoltaics you get double the energy. If you double the volume of a thermal power generating solution you get more than double the energy, so big thermal plants will almost always win in terms of energy per dollar if you build them big enough. Where solar is useful is in places where you cannot rely on a centralised power grid - which can range from a pocket calculator that you do not have to plug into the wall to a navigation bouy out at sea. Other applications are things like adding just that bit more to handle peak loads - it takes nearly a decade to build a new thermal plant but photovolaics require very little planning.

      It's not really that photovoltaics are expensive, it's that thermal power is cheap if you need a lot of power. Solar thermal hasn't taken off due to a combination of high capital costs, untested designs and politics (they share this with nuclear).

  74. Re:Try reading the article. by Kelbear · · Score: 1

    I don't resent ads fundamentally. I only have a problem when the advertisement steps across the line of my personal tastes. Pop-ups, Flash-scrolling across the screen, loud, flashing .gifs, all of which cause me to block the source. I have adblock installed, I just don't use any of the suscriptions.

    I understand what ads are, what role they serve, and how they be beneficial or detrimental.

    Penny Arcade serves up ads that I'm interested in, original ads using the webcomic's art style, and they screen them so that they'll only show products that they themselves find interesting. My opinions often coincide with theirs, so I find that these ads are targeted to me very well. I'll click on ads I'm interested in. I'll ignore ads I'm not interested in. I adblock ads that annoy or upset me.

  75. Re:100% efficiency ... what would it bring? by rholland356 · · Score: 1

    A 100% efficient solar cell would be HOT, man! It would heat up the solar market to a blazing furnace of fiscal activity, that's what it would bring.

    Physically, it would probably actually be warm to the touch, because the 100% efficient material is under a protective layer of glass, which will retain some heat. Plus, exposed frame and roof will raise the temperature as well.

    Nice pipe dream, though!

  76. Re:Try reading the article. by devilspgd · · Score: 1

    It's almost word for word. And it's wrong. He's got skillz.
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