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Solar Powered Wi-Fi

inkslinger77 writes "A small US startup has announced it has created a system for running Wi-Fi routers in remote places using only the power of the sun. Among the first round of products from Solis Energy is the Solar Power Plant, touted as being capable of supplying 12, 24 and 48 Volts DC for use in stand-alone applications such as surveillance cameras and outdoor Wi-Fi."

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  1. Bright idea by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its always illuminating to see developers take a lateral step towards problems.

    Here in the UK we use the tiny amount of light to power calculators but I think you would need a panel at least 3km square.

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    1. Re:Bright idea by Stooshie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Solar panels don't need high temperatures/direct sunlight to work, they just need light and they work perfectly well in the UK.

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    2. Re:Bright idea by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So.... how were they planning to connect the wireless routers? Using another wireless router that is connected to yet another wireless router that connects to... well, you get the drill.

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    3. Re:Bright idea by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are talking about a mesh network. Should go fine. Maybe add a directional aerial to connect to it's peers over slightly longer distances, saves a 100% overlapping network.

    4. Re:Bright idea by Eivind · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah. Why not ? A mesh-network is ideal in many parts of the world with poor infrastructure. Sure, the mesh needs to connect to the internet at *some* point, if internet-access is desired, but it's sufficient for a small portion of the nodes in the mesh to have internet-connection that can then be shared with the others.

    5. Re:Bright idea by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dye-Sensitized solar cells will solve that; They have no PN junction and thus no recombination problem at lower light levels.

    6. Re:Bright idea by Soruk · · Score: 2

      That just sounds like the solar panel (and perhaps the accumulator) were hopelessly underspecified. Assuming we're talking the good old lead acid battery, those things really do not take kindly to being run down completely.

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    7. Re:Bright idea by nmg196 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Solar panels don't need high temperatures/direct sunlight to work
      > they just need light and they work perfectly well in the UK.

      No they don't. They can *just* provide enough power to power a calculator if you're sat near a window. In the UK, photo-voltaic solar panels are almost never used for anything commercial because it just doesn't lack of direct sunlight we have over the winter months. If you go to sunny countries, you'll see solar panels powering phone masts, traffic flow monitors, road sign lighting and even traffic lights.

    8. Re:Bright idea by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Solar powered calculators work perfectly well indoors in the UK - the ambient light is enough to power them. I have one sat on my desk here..

      PV cells are used for lots of stuff in the UK including some of the the things you list above.

    9. Re:Bright idea by BillyBob23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a company called MikroTik(mikrotik.com) that produces incredible long/short range 802.11 equipment, and they have been using solar powered stuff for quite some time(I think it might be third party, but the community has been embracing it for a while). If any of you are looking for some cheap and very powerful linux platform wifi solutions, I suggest you give them a good hard look as my expierence with them has been bliss.

    10. Re:Bright idea by niceone · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, they are working on a rain powered version for the UK.

    11. Re:Bright idea by ppc_digger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here, in Israel, about 95% of all houses have such systems, as they are required by law.

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  2. Struggling... by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm struggling to see what's newsworthy or innovative about what will essentially be a silicon solar cell, battery, and DC-DC converter. I've had a similar home-made system on my shed roof for a while now. No doubt it'll come with a confetti like stream of patents :/

  3. Been around a while.... by butlerdi · · Score: 5, Informative

    There have been several such projects such as the MIT http://www.green-wifi.org/ which is itself beholding to the MIT Roofnet project http://www.comclub.org/roofnet/.

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  4. And this is 'news'? by chris_sawtell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a link for an historical perspective.

    http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/144812 1

    Note 2002, FIVE years ago.

  5. Re:Obvious by Eddi3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Attach a Solar Cell to a battery.
    2. Attach the battery to a wireless router.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!!!

    I'm sure it's one of those.

  6. solar powered hovering wireless routers by egumtow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue of power has always been a problem for wireless technology. Even though the signal can, in theory, go anywhere, in practice the lack of available - or affordable - power can often stymie installation.

    I disagree.

    At least for outdoor municipal wifi, the routers are usually mounted on utility poles. There's no shortage of cheap power on utility poles!

    You can make the argument that it might not be mounted on a utility pole. Like somewhere indoors. But then that renders the solar aspect pretty useless.

    What we really need are solar powered wireless wifi routers that can autonomously position and hover themselves at a fixed location. Now that'd be cool, and useful.

  7. Exactly (time investment) by choseph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And that is the key -- it is a pre-built set of products.

    I could also create something for my shed if i want to look into manufacturers for quality and price, choose the individual components, ensure I knew how they all went together (safely), and mount it on the shed. Just like I don't have the time or interest in building computers from scratch anymore, I don't have the interest in investing all this time into building a custom solution. If they can give a warantee that covers their whole package, they can test the configurations and crazy outdoor conditions, and they can build thousands of them in the time it takes me to assemble one, then super. They aren't stopping you from creating your own custom product for your shed.

    I wish someone would make some entry level package like this for homes -- a solar cell, simple cables (as easy as a power cord you can plug into each side), and a battery. Then give me some ways to go battery-out to random appliances and I think it would be a good way to let people try solar without the 10K+ investment and installation knowledge. Even if I only get enough juice to charge my laptop, it is at least a way to get started/interested.

  8. This is old old old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have been doing this in ham radio for better than 20 years! There are several repeaters in the porltand area that run only on wind and solar, one entire repeater network (AB7F) runs only on wind and solar. Even more impressive when you consider the fact the transmit power can range from 20 to 100watts. They also usually have computers and RF based internet links at these sites to provide IRLP access, which is used to connect repeaters via voip. If anyone thinks this technology is new, and cutting edge, they should have the shit slapped out of them!

    Ben 'Polyhead' Smith
    KE7GAL

  9. But not to my living room... by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Informative

    City-wide or country-wide WiFi sounds very cool to me. But - walls are a serious problem for WiFi. This in contrast to GSM signals, however in the concrete jungle called Hong Kong (with like 6 or 8 networks), even GSM is not everywhere available, particularly indoors.

    I've wireless at home. It has a problem sometimes penetrating the two concrete walls between my living room (where the access point is) and my bedroom (where I sometimes use my laptop as well). I live on the 16th floor, a wireless access point on the ground level will never reach my living room. The penetration is too poor, and the distance is too long. So for city-wide WiFi, are there better solutions available?

    In the countryside the problems are of course different - mountains are in the way and distances are often huge. Yet GSM networks are already fully covering even sparsely populated countries like Sweden and Norway. Is there a way do do so for WiFi without setting up repeaters every 500m? Is there a way to penetrate walls like GSM signals do?

    The technology is nice, I love it. But at this moment for wireless networking on the go I will continue to use my mobile phone, over GPRS (yes we have UMTS available but that is mighty expensive, not worth it for me). It ain't fast, but it is virtually everywhere available, and has no problem keeping a connection when sitting in the train (try that with WiFi that is not in the train itself).

    All and all I wonder, why not use the existing GSM networks? Most developed countries have UTMS available everywhere (USA is a developing country when it comes to digital technology, sad as it may be). Isn't that much more convenient, and cost efficient to use than a newly built WiFi network? There are more and more unlimited wireless plans (in Hong Kong you pay about US$80-100 per month for unlimited UTMS, add say US$200 a month for unlimited UTMS/GPRS roaming in mainland China). It's there, it's ready, and it's getting cheaper fast.

    1. Re:But not to my living room... by Archimonde · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know it is a bit OT, but in my experience penetration of wifi signals is pathetic. I have wrt54g some time now and I had problem connecting to it from my laptop just three walls/rooms away (same house, thick walls though). After a while I decided to have a computer in the house opposite to the house mentioned previously. It is around 50m distance and 2 walls (wireless router is behind the window). Not a chance. I then had to drill a hole in the wall, put the pc's antenna outside and then eventually had a weak signal even though the router and pc's antenna were in LOS. It was working ok for a few weeks and in that time I certainly noticed degradation of signal and consequently the speed. After a week or so, I completely lost the signal. I realized it was some leaves (wtf?!) from a tree blocking the LOS. I had enough of it then, and decided to spend 10euro and stretch a cat5 cable. It works amazingly now. High speed, reliability, no 1-minute ping spikes (especially in vista, I don't use it no more though), or additional drivers.

      I just have a feeling from my humble experience that wifi is overrated concerning real-world range.

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    2. Re:But not to my living room... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 2, Informative

      About the tree leaves: The 2.4Ghz wifi signal is right in one of water's absorbtion bands, so if the leaves weren't dessicated I guess your WiFi was very gently microwaving them.

      Anyway, I had the same experience with WiFi. My room was one wall away from the router, about 20 feet. 70-80% signal, and roughly 10mbps actual throughput (measured by scp of large files). We tried to set up a computer on the other side of the house. It got either the speed of cheap cable or just enough signal to stall out but still claim it was connected. I'm on 100mbps ethernet, other machine's still out of luck...

  10. Slashdotted? by 6Yankee · · Score: 4, Funny

    TFA is taking an age to load. Either it's slashdotted, or the sun went in...

    1. Re:Slashdotted? by ebolaZaireRules · · Score: 4, Funny

      nah - DOS attack. I'm stading in front of it.

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  11. Anonymous reflectors by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    One day, very soon, it will become economical to buy a solar-powered wi-fi router, with a built-in software chip (think bit-torrent), and drop it on the ground near Starbucks (or some other open Wi-fi).

    This clever, patent-pending device will act as a distributor/reflector of music and warez (does anyone use that term anymore), and will add to the misery of the mafIAA.

    I can just see hoards of people willing to go spend $69 to buy one of these, and drop it into a remote location... the same people who aren't willing to license all their music.

    What do you think?

    (PS I'm kidding on the patent pending... you want to take this idea and run with it, go for it! I have 5000 more, that are just as bad!)

  12. Only the power... by kaleco · · Score: 2, Funny
    "using only the power of the sun"

    Yeah, only the power of the sun. It's such a great power source we should manufacture more.

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  13. THIS IS WHAT I NEED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is EXACTLY what I NEED!!...A solar powered router! I have a terrible World of Warcraft addiction. This invention would limit my time online to just daylight hours! Then, maybe I can have a night life! There are more important things in life than "trying to get my mage to level 70"!

  14. not as cutting edge as the neutrino detector.... by jeffstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've put together a few of these beasts. One network has 7 solar powered hops to the end node and a satellite connection to the internet. Skype works just fine from the end node, it is a little surreal to be in this isolated, remote location talking in to a laptop!

    The key is having enough battery to get you through a multi day storm when there will be little sun. It doesn't matter how much solar panel you have when it isn't sunny as you are totally relying on the batteries then. Having more panels just gets your full charge back sooner. I believe we ended up with about 50A-hr of battery per radio.

    We also had to build a circuit that would cut the power to the 802.11 radios when the volts got below a certain level (~10V) otherwise something in the power supply circuit of the radio would pop. The circuit would then drop the radio back in when the volts got up to 11 or 12V indicating that the batteries were charged again.