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Green Cars You Can't Buy

Geoffrey.landis writes "Auto industry blogger Lawrence Ulrich notes that Honda is now making a "Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle" (or PZEV for short) version of the 2008 Accord, an all-new vehicle that is redesigned to meet California emission standards. He notes "So, just how green is a PZEV machine? Well, if you just cut your lawn with a gas mower, congratulations, you just put out more pollution in one hour than these cars do in 2,000 miles of driving." But the irony is that it's actually illegal for automakers to sell these green cars outside of the special states they were designed for! Apparently, anybody selling one of these ultra-green vehicles out of the correctly-designated venue — which means either California, or seven northeast-states with similar pollution laws — "could be subject to civil fines of up to $27,500. Volvo sent its dealers a memo alerting them to this fact, noting that its greenest S40 and V50 models were only for the special states.""

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  1. They will never be legal here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm totally screwed. I live in a red state.

  2. Re:Partially Zero? by archen · · Score: 5, Funny

    and more importantly, can you divide by partial zero?

  3. Folgers? by MajinBlayze · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah, the smell of technology innovation being stifled by stupid legal action in the morning.

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  4. Re:Partially Zero? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it's a bit like fuzzy logic. When a zero is sufficiently large, it's almost as much as a little bit of one.

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  5. No wonder they are close to zero emmisions... by ttapper04 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... you cant buy one :)

    Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine has zero emissions too; it does not exist.
    Or does it..?

  6. Re:Partially Zero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    PZEV requirements are called Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicles (SULEVs).
    SULEV is far too long for mainstream media. I predict SULEV will soon be shortened to SUV. That rolls off the tounge much easier. :)
  7. Re:New MSN Autos columnist puts his foot in it by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lawrence Ulrich seems to think that automakers should make a highly expensive clean-burning vehicles on their own and sell them at a loss, perhaps so they can go out of business in two or three years. Actually, I believe the US automakers are trying something along those lines, just without the "clean-burning" bit.
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  8. Re:Partially Zero? by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Funny

    > can you divide by partial zero?

    Of course you can. That's the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

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  9. Re:Partially Zero? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but only a little bit.

  10. Re:very simple reason for it by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does that mean it's partially non ridiculous?

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  11. Re:Partially Zero? by Tribbin · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle"

    You have to take it into context.

    It obviously means that part of the car has no emission.

    With today's technology they can easily make a car have only emission from the exhaust.

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  12. Re:It would be unfair competition by kindbud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does anybody else wonder whether the US government has been taken over by somebody (possibly giant alien lizards) who are deliberately trying to ruin the country?

    The Republican party believes government is incompetent to provide many basic public services and therefore underfunds it and runs it incompetently in order to prove their point.

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  13. Re:Partially Zero? by hublan · · Score: 4, Funny

    and more importantly, can you divide by partial zero? Yes, but you get a semi-infinite. Unless you divide zero by a partial zero, at which point the result is slightly undefined.
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  14. Re:Partially Zero? by GuyverDH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds almost "like a virgin".

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  15. Re:It would be unfair competition by jd · · Score: 2, Funny
    I know cognitive dissonance in government is common, but this is mental.

    After they closed many of the mental hospitals in America, they had to put the more dangerous lunatics somewhere, and they're far less of a threat to ordinary citizens being locked up in Congress than allowed out on the streets.

    As for the giant alien lizards, I have to disagree. Deranged creatures from the corridors of time seem much more likely.

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  16. Re:Partially Zero? by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 4, Funny

    Correct. The result of this calculation is either "small infinity", "mostly undefined", or "sort-of-not-a-number", depending on context.

  17. Re:Partially Zero? by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Rolls off the road much easier too.

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  18. Re:Partially Zero? by SC-James · · Score: 0, Funny

    Hurray for Super Ultra Vehicles!! (SUV)

  19. Re:It's a contradictory sounding term... by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Nope, it's in engineering. We're taught to despise Marketing folk. :-D

    Sigh engineering is a superior school. Poor Information Technology students learn to despise marketing folks all by themselves.

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  20. Re:Partially Zero? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    With today's technology they can easily make a car have only emission from the exhaust.

    This certainly is an improvement from (especially British) vehicles of yesteryear which emitted oil, gas and water even in the garage.

    Progress as promised!

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  21. Re:Partially Zero? by ROU+Nuisance+Value · · Score: 2, Funny

    But only for sufficiently small values of one....

  22. Re:Partially Zero? by SD-Arcadia · · Score: 2, Funny

    Still not clear. Can someone explain it with say, a car analogy?

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  23. Re:Partially Zero? by i_b_don · · Score: 3, Funny

    wow... i can't believe how fast my eyes glazed over when reading your post.

    Thank you for the college lecture flash back... every once in a while I forget about all the negatives of being in college and I only remember positives.

    d

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  24. Re:Partially Zero? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you're saying that the part of the car not consisting of engine and tailpipe produces zero emissions? Genius!!

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