The ratings here seem to bear out grandparent post's remarks about the ignorance and rudeness of online posters generally: An adult, mature, sensible contribution like Mendoksou's is only +1 and the grandparent post's ignorant, reactionary pomposity is +5.
This is an absolutely amazing bit of creativity, on par with the entire ID != creationism enterprise itself:
You science guys don't get it. Religions are high-level compsci protocol abstractions, and everybody's just arguing over the RFP content.
Ladies and germs, we have here an entire alternative explanation for the thousands of obvious errors of fact in the world corpus of religious tracts, and the millions upon millions of murders performed in the endless battles over which of those sets of erroneous facts are The One True Word. And all we need give up to achieve this glorious synthesis is the silly belief that words mean what they say, that a prediction isn't a prediction unless it can be relied upon, that human reason has some value, and that an explanation of good hygeine positing possession by unseeable non-material entities is a wee bit less valid than an explanation where we have *photographs* of the possessing *material* entities.
My hat's off to you, sir or madame. I honestly don't know whether you're the dumbest creationist troll Slashdot has ever seen or the most brilliant apologist for nonsense to ever walk the Earth. I suggest a career with the Society of Jesus, and hat in hand, ask you nice: Please STFU.
People are really, really going to fry your ass over that "Morris code" flub, buddy. Starting with the ghost of Sam Morse, I suppose. But hey, don't sweat it. All of us idiots get shit wrong, too.
"A friend of mine is working for an entity involved in this" + "They are 99% sure it was disgruntled CWA workers" == 100% ironclad credibility. As President of Slashdot, I order that we invade south San Jose and San Carlos and locate those WMDs. We don't want the next Morgan Hill to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.
Much as I loathe the vain, arrogant and idiotic Stevens, eliminating the Bush-instigated corruption and incompetence at the DOJ should be Holder's highest priority. Otherwise, there will be a lot more cases like this.
What's funny is watching so many who voted for Bush who still can't bring themselves to find anything to disagree with him on. There's nothing wrong with saying you find something disturbing even from someone you largely support.
You don't just start ignoring the parts you find inconvenient, as Democrats (with their blather of a "living Constitution") are wont to do; that way lies madness (or, more specifically, lawlessness).
Yes. Do please explain to the class about all the chuckleheaded Democrat blather about Terry Schiavo and FISA and the Patriot Act.
If it's not getting the job done, you propose an amendment. Get two-thirds of the House and Senate and three-fourths of state legislatures to sign off on it, and it becomes part of the highest law of the land. (Those supermajority requirements keep the Constitution from being amended for trivial purposes.)
Right, that's all you need: An amendment. Such as the 18th Amendment, which was proof postive that the amendment system works brilliantly against trivial stuff. It also shows how good ideas can become permanent parts of our constitution, since the 18th's continuing presence in that hallowed document has given rise to wonderful, successful, completely constitutional government programs like the War on Drugs!
Given that our form of government has far outlasted most others in existence at the time of its founding, I kinda suspect that the founding fathers actually were a bit smarter than the average bear.
Too true, older is always better (why, it's the main qualification for successful racehorses, football linebackers, fashion models, cartons of milk, eggs...I could go on forever!). And US democracy is far older than, say, systems of government around in 1776 like, say, the Parliament of the UK. Of course, monarchy is old as dirt and has not completely died out, but really, who today pays any attention at all to petty kings and their tiny fiefdoms?
They're certainly a damn sight better than the chuckleheads who infest DC nowadays.
Or the pig-ignorant and/or thoughtless drones who seem to have inherited the rest of the USA from the Founders, and want to return it to a constitutional "reality" that never existed. Dude, before you post again, visit ClueMart.
AC, may I suggest you read a bit more on this subject? I'd recommend you start with Manual De Landa's "War in the Age of Intelligent Machines". The author is no fan at all of the current US military/industrial complex (neither am I), but he has read the historical record on the impact of arms races on general technical development quite closely and is generally an honest reporter. He dates the starting point of this phenomenon much earlier than you seem to think, and if you bother reading this short and fascinating book, I think you will agree with him.
These parents don't see homosexuals as monsters or anything like that....What they do feel is that homosexuality is immoral, and showing it in a "normal" light promotes the view that it is normal. This, in turn, encourages people to act on their homosexual urges.
Your "reverse racism" argument is piffle. Fundies of every stripe in the US demonize and make war on gay people every day, in dozens of different ways -- from paying millions of dollars to strip gays of their fully adjudicated Constitutional rights, to the Westboro Baptist Church and its obscene taunting of the families of dead soldiers simply because gays are permitted to exist in the US, to doing absolutely nothing -- in fact, often justifying and applauding -- the random street violence that takes thousands of gay lives every year.
I share your impulse toward tolerance, but get real. The people you are defending see the existence of gay people as an affront to god. They stand for nothing but intolerance of and violent discrimination toward anyone unwilling to "renounce" being what they are. There is no accommodation to be had with people who see your existence as wrong, any more than there was peaceful entente possible with the Nazis, who believed the Jews to be vermin in human form, and considered their death camps a sort of public health service on behalf of the German people.
If there are in fact any fundamentalist Christians who sincerely "love" gay people, just "hate the sin", then let them start demonstrating their sincerity by purging their own lives and churches of obvious hatred, bigotry, and eliminationist rhetoric. Doesn't your beloved book counsel to remove the beam from your own eye first? In any case, until they do, accusations of "demonizing" a lot idiots who can't let their gay brothers and sisters live their lives in peace is just so much noise. Gay people and their allies and family members are well aware that they are under attack from a large, well funded, and powerful alliance of ignorant fanatics, from the Mormons to the Catholic Church to random bible-beaters like Westboro. We have every right to fight back any and every way we can, and you are going to watch us do exactly that from now on.
Oh FFS, more crapulent "history" about the willy-nilly ban on DDT. Sorry, but this is just fringe bullshit, on the same order as accusations about mercury in immunizations and frozen-alien storage at Area 51. That DDT was harmful to birds is by no means disproven, and "Silent Spring" had a slightly (read *COMPLETELY*) more complicated message than "Ban DDT NOW!". At a minimum, go read the Wikipedia article sections on the controversy, so you don't sound like an ignorant idiot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#DDT_use_against_malaria.
Not sure I did get it wrong, Jane Q. I was agreeing with the AC who posted "Mod parent up" and violently taking issue with Jamie's Nightmare, who did, after all, say this: "Per usual, security usually fails because of the user." But I also agree taht many people on the thread are aware that design is the main issue.
Quite.
And in a more general sense: Can (we) geeks in general PLEASE stop referring to users as "stupid" simply because they are NOT AS DEEPLY INTO THE SAME SHIT WE ARE?! I'm highly intelligent (recorded IQ over 160), and frankly, I HAVE OTHER STUFF ON MY MIND when I'm traveling (like "Where's the freakin WC?", and "After 19 hours in the air, I'm hungry and tired and miserable.").
For dear FSM's sake, if there is anything wrong with security design -- or product design in general -- all over the Earth it is this same ignorant, even STUPID, attitude on the part of the designers.
Haven't looked at your passport or traveled outside the country much lately, hm? There are machine-readable bar codes in US passports now, in addition to RFID. The "government workers" you unfairly malign regularly open and slide passports through readers/recorders, in the US and lots of other countries.
No army before WW2 eh? So how did we fight world war one? How did we fight the civil war? How did we fight all those wars before then?
Oh gosh, you're so clever! Got him there, dintcha?
The answer to your boobish rhetorical questions, in every case, is "by raising an army". Grandparent clearly meant a standing army; the US has a rule against maintaining standing armies in peacetime, remember? Of course, there hasn't *been* any peactime since WW2, so (much like our laws about torture) we don't follow that rule anymore.
Don't let the door hit them on the way out either. I don't particularly like paying an extra $2000 on my car just so some lazy, incompetent executive can draw a $200 Million bonus while running his company into the ditch.
I know asking for more money isn't popular, but he also needs to give Congress and the president a reality check and say "We're trying for another Apollo-level project on a mac-and-cheese budget. We've got to get more money for this."
Asking for additional funds for NASA is going to be about as popular as cancer for the next 18 months, at least. If a GM exec can't float a short-term loan, exactly how interested do you think Congress will be in giving Griffin a lot more billions to get us back to the moon?
I agree with your conclusions in every other respect, but a lot of the discussion on this topic seems to miss that rather obvious fact about the incoming administration's need to balance some pretty dire budget problems.
In any case, I fully expect "No Drama" Obama will just get Griffin on the phone and talk it over. He's been pretty rational about stuff like that so far.
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The ratings here seem to bear out grandparent post's remarks about the ignorance and rudeness of online posters generally: An adult, mature, sensible contribution like Mendoksou's is only +1 and the grandparent post's ignorant, reactionary pomposity is +5.
You science guys don't get it. Religions are high-level compsci protocol abstractions, and everybody's just arguing over the RFP content.
Ladies and germs, we have here an entire alternative explanation for the thousands of obvious errors of fact in the world corpus of religious tracts, and the millions upon millions of murders performed in the endless battles over which of those sets of erroneous facts are The One True Word. And all we need give up to achieve this glorious synthesis is the silly belief that words mean what they say, that a prediction isn't a prediction unless it can be relied upon, that human reason has some value, and that an explanation of good hygeine positing possession by unseeable non-material entities is a wee bit less valid than an explanation where we have *photographs* of the possessing *material* entities.
My hat's off to you, sir or madame. I honestly don't know whether you're the dumbest creationist troll Slashdot has ever seen or the most brilliant apologist for nonsense to ever walk the Earth. I suggest a career with the Society of Jesus, and hat in hand, ask you nice: Please STFU.
People are really, really going to fry your ass over that "Morris code" flub, buddy. Starting with the ghost of Sam Morse, I suppose. But hey, don't sweat it. All of us idiots get shit wrong, too.
Precisement, my 6-foot-bunny hugger :-)
"Lobby's getting juicy, tacticals are laying down foam...."
"A friend of mine is working for an entity involved in this" + "They are 99% sure it was disgruntled CWA workers" == 100% ironclad credibility. As President of Slashdot, I order that we invade south San Jose and San Carlos and locate those WMDs. We don't want the next Morgan Hill to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.
And you're an AC with nothing to contribute and a serious attitude problem. Go fuck yourself.
Much as I loathe the vain, arrogant and idiotic Stevens, eliminating the Bush-instigated corruption and incompetence at the DOJ should be Holder's highest priority. Otherwise, there will be a lot more cases like this.
There, fixed that for you.
We'd all seriously appreciate it if you'd stop being an anonymous slack-jawed yokel Nazi bitch who can't spell. If it wouldn't be too much trouble.
Yes. Do please explain to the class about all the chuckleheaded Democrat blather about Terry Schiavo and FISA and the Patriot Act.
Right, that's all you need: An amendment. Such as the 18th Amendment, which was proof postive that the amendment system works brilliantly against trivial stuff. It also shows how good ideas can become permanent parts of our constitution, since the 18th's continuing presence in that hallowed document has given rise to wonderful, successful, completely constitutional government programs like the War on Drugs!
Too true, older is always better (why, it's the main qualification for successful racehorses, football linebackers, fashion models, cartons of milk, eggs...I could go on forever!). And US democracy is far older than, say, systems of government around in 1776 like, say, the Parliament of the UK. Of course, monarchy is old as dirt and has not completely died out, but really, who today pays any attention at all to petty kings and their tiny fiefdoms?
Or the pig-ignorant and/or thoughtless drones who seem to have inherited the rest of the USA from the Founders, and want to return it to a constitutional "reality" that never existed. Dude, before you post again, visit ClueMart.
Pony-WNED!
AC, may I suggest you read a bit more on this subject? I'd recommend you start with Manual De Landa's "War in the Age of Intelligent Machines". The author is no fan at all of the current US military/industrial complex (neither am I), but he has read the historical record on the impact of arms races on general technical development quite closely and is generally an honest reporter. He dates the starting point of this phenomenon much earlier than you seem to think, and if you bother reading this short and fascinating book, I think you will agree with him.
What errant nonsense. Of course they see gay people as monsters and pedophiles. They say so, in public, every day. Just recently, Rick Warren made precisely that pedophile comparison in an interview (the accusation itself starts at 3:15) and then proceeded to lie about it. And there are thousands more like him throughout the American Taliban.
Your "reverse racism" argument is piffle. Fundies of every stripe in the US demonize and make war on gay people every day, in dozens of different ways -- from paying millions of dollars to strip gays of their fully adjudicated Constitutional rights, to the Westboro Baptist Church and its obscene taunting of the families of dead soldiers simply because gays are permitted to exist in the US, to doing absolutely nothing -- in fact, often justifying and applauding -- the random street violence that takes thousands of gay lives every year.
I share your impulse toward tolerance, but get real. The people you are defending see the existence of gay people as an affront to god. They stand for nothing but intolerance of and violent discrimination toward anyone unwilling to "renounce" being what they are. There is no accommodation to be had with people who see your existence as wrong, any more than there was peaceful entente possible with the Nazis, who believed the Jews to be vermin in human form, and considered their death camps a sort of public health service on behalf of the German people.
If there are in fact any fundamentalist Christians who sincerely "love" gay people, just "hate the sin", then let them start demonstrating their sincerity by purging their own lives and churches of obvious hatred, bigotry, and eliminationist rhetoric. Doesn't your beloved book counsel to remove the beam from your own eye first? In any case, until they do, accusations of "demonizing" a lot idiots who can't let their gay brothers and sisters live their lives in peace is just so much noise. Gay people and their allies and family members are well aware that they are under attack from a large, well funded, and powerful alliance of ignorant fanatics, from the Mormons to the Catholic Church to random bible-beaters like Westboro. We have every right to fight back any and every way we can, and you are going to watch us do exactly that from now on.
You mean theory of evoultion is makign no cents?! Huh?
are both fringe bullshit, of the same order as the belief that there is a worldwide ban on DDT brought about by a liberal conspiracy.
Oh FFS, more crapulent "history" about the willy-nilly ban on DDT. Sorry, but this is just fringe bullshit, on the same order as accusations about mercury in immunizations and frozen-alien storage at Area 51. That DDT was harmful to birds is by no means disproven, and "Silent Spring" had a slightly (read *COMPLETELY*) more complicated message than "Ban DDT NOW!". At a minimum, go read the Wikipedia article sections on the controversy, so you don't sound like an ignorant idiot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#DDT_use_against_malaria.
Not sure I did get it wrong, Jane Q. I was agreeing with the AC who posted "Mod parent up" and violently taking issue with Jamie's Nightmare, who did, after all, say this: "Per usual, security usually fails because of the user." But I also agree taht many people on the thread are aware that design is the main issue.
Quite. And in a more general sense: Can (we) geeks in general PLEASE stop referring to users as "stupid" simply because they are NOT AS DEEPLY INTO THE SAME SHIT WE ARE?! I'm highly intelligent (recorded IQ over 160), and frankly, I HAVE OTHER STUFF ON MY MIND when I'm traveling (like "Where's the freakin WC?", and "After 19 hours in the air, I'm hungry and tired and miserable."). For dear FSM's sake, if there is anything wrong with security design -- or product design in general -- all over the Earth it is this same ignorant, even STUPID, attitude on the part of the designers.
Haven't looked at your passport or traveled outside the country much lately, hm? There are machine-readable bar codes in US passports now, in addition to RFID. The "government workers" you unfairly malign regularly open and slide passports through readers/recorders, in the US and lots of other countries.
Oh gosh, you're so clever! Got him there, dintcha? The answer to your boobish rhetorical questions, in every case, is "by raising an army". Grandparent clearly meant a standing army; the US has a rule against maintaining standing armies in peacetime, remember? Of course, there hasn't *been* any peactime since WW2, so (much like our laws about torture) we don't follow that rule anymore.
nine-times FTW!!!!!
Nope. User simply doesn't understand the purpose of the punctuation marks on the keyboard.
I don't need no damn horseless carriage. My horse runs just fine.
There, fixed that for you
Asking for additional funds for NASA is going to be about as popular as cancer for the next 18 months, at least. If a GM exec can't float a short-term loan, exactly how interested do you think Congress will be in giving Griffin a lot more billions to get us back to the moon? I agree with your conclusions in every other respect, but a lot of the discussion on this topic seems to miss that rather obvious fact about the incoming administration's need to balance some pretty dire budget problems. In any case, I fully expect "No Drama" Obama will just get Griffin on the phone and talk it over. He's been pretty rational about stuff like that so far.