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Russia Tests World's Largest Non-Nuclear Bomb

mahesh_gharat writes "Russia has tested the "Father of all bombs," a conventional air-delivered explosive that experts say can only be compared with a nuclear weapon in terms of its destructive power.The device is a fuel-air explosive, commonly known as a vacuum bomb, that spreads a high incendiary vapour cloud over a wide area and then ignites it, creating an ultra-sonic shock wave and searing fireball that destroys everything in its wake."

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  1. Who's your daddy? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who's your daddy? FOAB! :-)

    Seriously though, Russia has for many decades going back to just after WWII had a predilection for one upping the West in terms of military hardware. They have often defaulted to building bigger engines than just about every other jet fighter (Mig-25), the biggest cargo plane I've ever been in, the An-224 (though there is a bigger 225), bigger submarines (Typhoon class), the Soviet KV Big Turret Tank of 1942 (exception for the German Landkreuzer) and more. Those Bear bombers are pretty damned big aircraft too...

    I'm actually not surprised to see weapons like this developed given the nuclear weapon treaties of the past 40 years, but if the participating members including Russia and the US continue pushing nuclear ambitions, we will have lost all credibility here.

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    1. Re:Who's your daddy? by BAlkyMAn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hehe... They say it's environmentally friendly. That is of course, if your environment is not within a mile or two of the blast zone. http://parthian-shot.blogspot.com/

    2. Re:Who's your daddy? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, environmentally friendly in this case means no readiation. So they can come in and rebuild as soon as it cools. With a Russian economy that is growing at 7-8% per year, they are capable of big rebuilding projects, so this is a rather useful weapon.

    3. Re:Who's your daddy? by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, the russian came out and said that they did in fact have our plans. They were stolen in 75, and according to Russia, did play a part in building their shuttle. But as I pointed out, they made a number of intelligent choices, in particular the changes of the engine placement. I only wish that they had not killed off the energia.

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    4. Re:Who's your daddy? by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      tu-160 was a bigger version of the B1-A

      The Blackjack might look like the Lancer but it really is a completely different aircraft. Not only is it bigger, it's also heavier, faster and carries a lot more ordnance.

      The Soviet Union designed the TU-160 as a counter weight to the US carrier groups. If WWIII had actually started, those birds were the only thing in their inventory that could effectively counter a Navy task force. In fact their entire strategy for a land war in Europe depended on them interdicting shipping from the US across the GIUK line. The bombers would attack the escort ships with massive conventional cruise missile swarms, or single nuclear ones.

      Bears, Bisons, Backfires and Blackjacks. That's why the Aegis cruisers were designed, and that's why the F-14 Tomcat and the AIM-54 Phoenix were rushed into service.

    5. Re:Who's your daddy? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      The hydrogen bomb has always protected your freedom from Godless communism. My one regret is that the building of hydrogen bombs is being done big Big Government in Washington rather than by skilled private contractors like Ryan Industries.

      Every American should have a small (<5MT) hydrogen bomb in their homes to drop on the advancing Reds from their flying car should the need arise. There's no need for costly quasi socialist spending on Statist "Air Ministry" rife with bureaucrats. If those Commisars knew that they had to avoid provoking millions of normal Americans rather than a small group of fellow travellers in Washington, I bet they'd be much more cautious.

      Better, if the cars were nuclear powered with a reactor and had an auto pilot like the German V2s, they could just be launched in waves by the militia to spread deadly radiation over an advancing Red army. Small towns would club together to buy a few cobalt salted 5MT devices to drop just in case the Reds proved to be hard to stop.

      Most Americans will buy at least one car, and our Founding Fathers believed in the right to bear Arms, not just guns. Why not try to combine the two?

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    6. Re:Who's your daddy? by Sibko · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a fuel-air bomb. It would be physically almost impossible for it to have the raw destructive power of the high explosives in the MOAB. You seem to be under some kind of misconception here. The MOAB is not a conventional high explosive, it is a Thermobaric weapon, or in other words, a Fuel Air Bomb. [Hell, even the name itself spells it out for you: Massive Ordnance Air Blast] The FOAB and MOAB work under exactly the same principles: Namely, the first detonation spreads the fuel over a large area, and then the second detonation ignites all that fuel, causing a massive shockwave.
    7. Re:Who's your daddy? by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Funny
      After seeing this long discussion, I seriously wish for Gandhi to come back.

      How big was Gandhi's fuel air explosive?

  2. Just in time too by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that Putin's dissolved that pesky and meddlesome parliament, his plans for the Russian conquest can proceed apace.

    First up: Ukraine! Ukraine is weak.

    1. Re:Just in time too by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 5, Informative
      Ugh. You do know that "dissolving the government" is absolutely standard procedure in every parliamentary democracy (ie -- most of the democratic world outside of the the USA)? Overreacting to it just demonstrates the provincialism of the American news system. What's next...? "Oh noes! The Governor-General dissolved the Canadian parliament!!! EVILLL!!!1111eleventy"

      What's interesting is *who* is getting pushed for the elections which will happen soon, not the ordinary and mundane mechanics of parliamentary democracy.

  3. INVADE! by phobos13013 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They have WMD! They harbor terrorists!

    Seriously? Isn't it ironic that MOTHER Russia built the FATHER of all BOMBS to outdo UNCLE SAM's MOTHER of all Bombs? Its almost mind-blowing...

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  4. Buzzword compliant by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is environmentally friendly, compared to a nuclear bomb, and it will enable us to ensure national security and at the same time stand up to international terrorism in any part of the globe and in any situation, Two of the biggest buzzwords: "environmentally friendly" and "international terrorism". Neither of which apply to this bomb. Can you really fight terrorists with giant bombs?
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  5. So how big is this thing? by sqrt(2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the great military advantages of modern nuclear devices is that they pack an enormous amount of power into a relatively small space. A small nuke can be made to sizes no bigger than conventional bombs, so the bombers/missile/icbm can carry a lot of them. They also scale very well, every small amount you can increase in size allows for a huge increase in power, normal bombs have a more linear scale. This thing must be huge since there has to be more conventional explosive packed into it to get the same effect, this limits the amount they can produce and carry. It's probably too big to be easily fit onto an ICBM, and if you could there'd probably be just the one warhead instead of the dozens that can be carried with a nuclear configuration.

    This is just another example in Russia's long history of impressive, unwieldy, and impractically large weapons. The Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever created and tested by man (even at half it's theoretical strength) broke windows hundreds of miles away and registered on seismic instruments all over the world even though it was detonated in Northern Russia.

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  6. Re:Enough with the hyperbole by chebucto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If the Father of all Bombs is only 44t, it's dwarfed by the Halifax Explosion. Admittadly, the Halifax Explosion was an explosion of a munitions ship, not a single bomb, but it's far closer to a nuclear explosion than that firecracker the Russkies set off. If you trust Wikipedia, the explosion set off 2.9kt of explosives, and consisted of:
    • 223,188 kilograms benzol
    • 56,301 kilograms of nitrocellulose (guncotton)
    • 1,602,519 kilograms of wet picric acid
    • 544,311 kilograms of dry picric acid (highly explosive, and extremely sensitive to shock, heat and friction), and
    • 226,797 kilograms of TNT
    The Explosion leveled Halifax, and caused over 10,000 casualties.
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  7. Father of All Bombs? by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry - the US will soon respond with their "Alcoholic Step-Dad of All Bombs."

    1. Re:Father of All Bombs? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      the US will soon respond with their "Alcoholic Step-Dad of All Bombs."

      Paving the way for a whole dysfunctional family of bombs.

      Pervy uncle of all bombs: only targets children.

      Crack whore daughter of all bombs: readily detonates for anyone at any time, but very cheap.

      Emo-kid of all bombs: ill-fitting black casing, sits in the bomb bay sulking, threatens to go off in an overly dramatic manner "to make everyone sorry" without realising that's why the other bombs won't talk to it in the first place. When one actually does go off (which is rare), nobody notices or cares except the over-protective MOAB.

      Third cousin twice removed of all bombs: everybody has one but nobody can ever recall it's name, only explodes at weddings and funerals.

      Grandfather of all bombs: guarantees lawn-area supremacy.

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  8. Link to FOAB's explosion video by snikulin · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's on Russian TV news channel web site:
    http://www.1tv.ru/news/n108915
    To play, click on a bomb's image in the right upper corner shown after flash loading.

  9. Environmentally Freindly? by DreadSpoon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It doesn't pollute the environment... it just incinerates it!

  10. quite possibly the cruelest weapon made by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Interesting

    preads a high incendiary vapour cloud over a wide area and then ignites it, creating an ultra-sonic shock wave and searing fireball that destroys everything in its wake.

    Here's a slightly more accurate description of what it does....to people.

    • People unlucky enough to be within the actual fuel-air mixture area are set on fire, both internally (lungs- they breathe in the fuel/air mixture) and externally (the infrared radiation immediately ignites their clothing, hair, and skin) while suffocating. That's pretty much the most painful way to die, hands down, that I can think of.
    • Anyone within the shockwave and following vacuum is liable to either be thrown against other objects or be crushed by them, or structures that collapse. This is the greatest hope you have, as it is the quickest potential way to die.
    • Anyone unfortunate enough to not be burned alive or crushed, will suffer from the pain of blown eardrums and collapsed or burst lungs, while simultaneously suffocating because all the air around them is devoid of oxygen; the fire consumed it. Oh, and everything around you that is flammable is burning whatever oxygen might be left.

    They're indiscriminate and quite possibly the cruelest way of killing people save WW1-era chemical attacks.

    The fact that the US and Russia are the only countries to use and develop them should speak volumes.

  11. Re:Mostly useful by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has it ever occurred to you that Russia could be using these bombs to:

    a) Sell to other countries.
    b) Act as a counter-balance to U.S. global hegemony.

    No, of course you haven't.


    Oh, but it has. Unfortunately they are completely useless for both purposes. Which, incidentially, is quite obvious.

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  12. Fighting terrorists with bombs by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure you can, if you don't mind a few casualties. The Russians seem to have a liberal policy about random deaths in terrorism matters.

    Example: when 32 Chechnyen separatists took over the Beslan School and had 1200 hostages ( several hundred of them children ), Russian security forces used tanks ( firing - according to one of the tank comander's testimony - "antipersonnel-high explosive shells" ), flamethrowers, and at least one Mi-24 helicopter gunship.
    At least 334 hostages died, and approximately 700 were wounded.

    This is a weapon for political control as much as for war. They already have more nukes than they can reasonably use. What is the point of building a non-radiactive bomb this powerful? The only reason seems to be so you can retake the territory soon after. They're going to use it on their own territory.

  13. Re:Mostly useful by Onetus · · Score: 5, Funny
    #include humour.h

    Communism is evil. A harsh statement, granted. But when you see the 100s of millions of people it has enslaved for the benefit of the few people at the top, there's no other word for it but evil. What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?

    Communism is one man taking advantage of another man.
    And Capitalism is the exact opposite of that.
  14. Re:What a LOAD of shit. by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bombers are not designed to attack navy ships.

    http://www.deagel.com/Land-Attack-Cruise-Missiles/Kh-15_a000869001.aspx

    Kh-15 is a supersonic, short-range attack missile carrying a 200-kiloton nuclear or 250 kg conventional warhead. It was designed to provide Soviet medium- and long-range bombers with an outstanding strike capability against targets protected by sophisticated air defense systems. This can be done thanks to its impressive maximum speed of Mach 5. Kh-15 guidance system is based on the inertial navigation and may be backed up with a radar homing head for anti-ship applications.

    Kh-15P designation refers to the anti-radiation version of Kh-15 which is a superb weapon for enemy air defenses suppression. Kh-15A and/or Kh-15S refer to an anti-ship variant. The Russian/Soviet Air Force deployed the Kh-15 on its Tu-160, Tu-22M and Tu-95 bombers. NATO calls this weapon the AS-16 Kickback. It is the Soviet counterpart to US AGM-69 SRAM.

    May I suggest you stop using Wikipedia as the source of your "expertise"? Or just shut the fuck up. Whatever works for you.

  15. Re:What a LOAD of shit. by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    God, I can't help myself, you really pissed me off. Your point about the F-14 and the AIM-54 is also painfully incorrect, since the cruise missile threat to US navy ships dates back to the Tu-95 and, which was first deployed in the 1960s with the predecessors to the current Kh-55SM ant-shipping missile, which is similar to the US AHM-84 Harpoon. Later the threat was the Tu-22M Backfire. One of the primary stated aims of the AIM-54 was in fact to intercept large cruise missiles launched at carriers, such as the AS-6. You seem to be high on Wikipedia, so I'll quote from it:

    The Phoenix was designed to defend the Carrier Battle Group against a variety of threats including cruise missiles, and its range and loiter capability provided defense in depth. During the height of the Cold War, the threat included regimental-size raids of Badger and Backfire bombers equipped with high-speed cruise missiles and considerable Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) of various types. The upgraded Phoenix, the AIM-54C, was developed to better counter projected threats from tactical aircraft and cruise missiles and its final upgrade included a re-programmable memory capability to keep pace with emerging threat ECM.

    Whaddya know, bombers attacking ships. With cruise missiles! Oh the humanity!

    The reality is that the Soviet Navy simply never hoped to match the blue-water capabilities of the US Navy, thus the use of the long-range bomber and the cruise missile as the primary attack weapon against surface combatants. Large numbers of Soviet bombers were tasked to naval aviation regiments throughout the Cold War.

    And finally, the manned strategic bomber went the way of the condor in the early 80s. The Soviets had no illusions about their ability to successfully penetrate US air defenses, which is why they increased their ICBM throw weight enormously during the 70s and 80s. That was the actual "missile gap", not the one Kennedy claimed existed in the early 60s. Soviet bombers in the Cold War existed almost solely to fight the US Navy. You won't read that on Wikipedia, but you could read it on Jane's or FAS.

  16. Re:What a LOAD of shit. by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, during WWII it was actually quite common for planes to attack surface ships with iron bombs, or even just strafe them with machine gun fire. That became problematic with the availability of air cover from aircraft carriers and better ship-mounted defensive systems, so it went out of style until cruise missiles were developed and standoff attacks were made possible.

  17. big bombs vs terrorists/freedom-fighters/whatever by TTK+Ciar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can you really fight terrorists with giant bombs?

    The Russians seem to think so.

    In 1999, the Russian Army evacuated the city of Grozny of civilians, leaving (obstensibly) only the dug-in insurgents in the city. Russian forces then cordoned the city and laid waste to it with massive barrages of fuel-air munitions, delivered via TOS-1. The city was totally destroyed.

    That was using Fuel-Air Explosives (FAE's), which use aerosolized hydrocarbon-based fuel. Judging from the mass-to-yeild ratio reported for this new bomb (~5.5x that of TNT), it's an aluminum-based thermobaric munition. Thermobarics use aluminum (or less commonly boron) based fuel, distributed and usually detonated by high explosive charge. Compared to fuel-air bombs this results in greater reliability, more energy released per unit mass, and much more energy released per unit volume (since 75% aluminum + 25% composition-B HE is about 2.5x denser than hydrocarbon-based fuels).

    For what it's worth: (1) the old-generation american fuel-air explosives used ethylene oxide as their fuel, which increased reliability but at the expense of energy density. (2) the american armed forces have aluminum-based thermobaric munitions in their inventories, too.

    And yeah, comparing FAE's and thermobarics to nukes is misleading. Thermobarics can offer up to ~8x the energy density of conventional high explosives, but even small nukes generate thousands times more boom per unit weight. Nukes are the cheap and easy way to destroy a city, but the Russians decided the political price would be too high, and used FAE's instead (which are much cheaper than equivalent-yield high explosives, but nowhere nearly as cheap per unit yield as nukes).

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  18. Re:What a LOAD of shit. by arivanov · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree, Tu 160 does not have anything to do with that. Now TU-22M Backfire is a completely different matter. It was designed as an antifleet weapon, built as an antifleet weapon and is still considered by the USA to be the most dangerous antifleet weapon in the Russian arms inventory.

    As far as what is feasible to attack with what here is a nice diagram: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/range.gif

    As you can see most of USA is within range even without considering the use of cruise missiles.

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  19. Re:What a LOAD of shit. by SorryTomato · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually you are even more wrong than the grand parent.

    Bombers are not designed to attack navy ships.

    Wrong. Take Tu-22M for instance. Or the Tu-16. Or even the B-52. Some of these aircraft served in hundreds in dedicated anti-shipping regiments.

    Battle carrier groups are heavily fortified structures.

    Wrong again. Heavily defended? Yes. Fortified? Hell No. Not since world war 2 when the armored battleships went the way of the Dodo. Modern warships dont have anything more than splinter armor.

    Even back then, they would use small fast aircrafts to hit our ships, not monsters aircrafts that make inviting targets

    Wrong two more times again. One, Small aircraft lack the range, endurance and payload to effectively hunt the carrier battle groups. Two, These "monster" aircraft are not quite the easy target you think they are because they have stand off weapons.

    Finally, you are wrong when you contradict the GP that Tomcat/Phoenix was a direct responce to these bombers. The Tomcat was specifically designed for intercepting heavy cruise missile carrying bombers.

    And you have the gall for berating the GP and mods about modding without a clue!!!

  20. Now George... by revengebomber · · Score: 5, Funny

    The bomb, George. The fuel-air bomb. Well now what happened is, one of our base commanders, he had a sort of, well he went a little funny in the head. You know. Just a little... funny. And uh, he went and did a silly thing. Well, I'll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes... to attack your country. Well let me finish, George. Let me finish, George. Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it? Can you imagine how I feel about it, George? Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello? Of course I like to speak to you. Of course I like to say hello. Not now, but any time, George. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has happened. It's a friendly call.

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