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Debian win32-loader Goes Official

An anonymous reader writes "After a long process of review and polishing, the win32 loader from goodbye-microsoft.com has finally made its way to official Debian CDs. Latest daily builds of lenny (the development version) are including it, making starting Debian Installer as simple as just a few clicks (OGG). The win32-loader version, now based on GRUB 2, includes new features such as detection and pre-seeding of Windows settings, and is translated to 20 languages."

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  1. Re:Huh? by ZOMFF · · Score: 5, Informative

    It appears that the win32-loader allows you to begin the install process of Debian from a Windows operating system.

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  2. Re:Huh? by Achoi77 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm assuming based on the screenshots, it's a little windows app that begins the debian install process. Functionally the Debian ISO it would be analagous to a 'windows upgrade' CD.

    But that's my guess

  3. EULA by thegnu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone remember to click right through the EULA like they do in the instructional video, or it won't work. :)

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  4. Well that's a bummer. by kwabbles · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't have any Windows machines to test it out on.

    Will this work in Wine? :)

    Seriously though - nice work, guys.

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  5. Re:Huh? by asphaltjesus · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Win32 loader is a new feature in the Debian installation CD. It makes it even easier to install Debian.

    The installation of Debian may be a challenge for some who are afraid of changing the disk boot order in bios. Since bios menus vary, it's practically impossible to make good documentation about getting a CD to boot when it doesn't by default. More subtly, it addresses that weird fear that windows really isn't going away when you install Debian. Personally, I think the distro will be more popular now that the installation cd stops dropping you on a command line where you had to figure out what to type to start the installation process.

    FYI: Debian's graphical installer is way, way ahead of the ubuntu installer u-bug-quity in terms of features and functionality. This is one of the many great things going on in Debian right now.

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  6. Just ran the installer by ZOMFF · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ran the win32 loader on a test-VM here at work. Pretty quick and painless, 4-5 prompts, 45 seconds of downloading, a reboot and debian was installing. However it was interesting to note that administrative privileges on the Win32 OS are not required. Not that big of a deal for most users, but could prove troublesome in some environments (Corporate, etc).

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  7. Re:the win32 debian package by frinkacheese · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now it just needs to be intergrated into a virus/worm the the whole windows world will be converted!

  8. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It goes much further than just starting the installer. win32-loader is a boot loader that can start a Linux distro from a few files on your (Windows) partition, so Windows users can enjoy the benefits of a fully functional Linux installation without having to repartition their drives, or being unable to boot Windows. So it's really a very easy way to install Linux for dedicated Windows users.

  9. Re:What? by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

    He must be married.

  10. I still prefer my method by boudie2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mr. Windows partition, meet Mr. fdisk.

  11. Re:What? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sid ain't so bad. The system itself is quite stable. What's not is the package repository. Once in a while a large update will present some conflicts in dependency resolution. This will prevent you from completing the update until it's fixed in the repository, but it leaves your system in a usable state. Not really a big deal. For most purposes Sid is an excellent choice. I wouldn't put it on a production server however.

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  12. Re:the win32 debian package by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Informative

    So in practical terms, does this mean that they can install Debian on a Windows box without having to burn a CD? That could be useful on systems that don't have a CD burner, and could also be easier in terms of cutting down on the number of steps, and eliminating the need to own CD-writing software. It would be totally cool to have an Ubuntu installer that you could download and double-click on, and that would automatically resize your partitions and leave you with a double-boot system; I think there would be a *lot* of people I could convince to try Linux if it was that easy. Although the normal Ubuntu install CD (not the alternate install) already has a live CD feature so you can run Linux without installing it, I've always hesitated to suggest to people that they try Linux from a live CD, because the performance is so horrible that I'm afraid they'll get a bad impression. Of course a live CD can be useful if you want to find out how much of your hardware is supported. Realistically, I think the main obstacle these days for someone wanting to install Linux isn't the need to burn a CD and boot from it, it's issues with (a) printing, wifi, and winmodems, and (b) being committed to file formats that are only supported on Windows.

  13. Re:Huh? by joto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And telling a newbie to go into BIOS setup to change settings is likely to scare the crap out of them.

    And the newbie would be right.

    Installing debian on a windows system should also scare the crap out of a newbie. He will loose all his old files (including family photos), even if this "win32-loader" allows him to keep his worthless bookmarks.

    While I have nothing against trying to convince people to try linux, I have something against the people who will try just about anything, including outright lying, in order to make people switch.

  14. Re:Huh? by Falstius · · Score: 5, Informative
    I haven't used goodbye-microsoft, but Wubi (which is supposedly based on it) does the same for Ubuntu. It works by installing Ubuntu to a file on the Windows partition. So not only do you not lose your Windows files, you don't even have to perform a relatively risky partitioning. It also leaves the windows boot loader in place and chain-loads grub o you don't have the "Ahh, how do I remove grub!!!!" questions.

    Its not the best way to run Linux, but it is a very safe way and faster and more permanent than a LiveCD.

  15. Re:Huh? by at_slashdot · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Wubi [...] does the same for Ubuntu. It works by installing Ubuntu to a file on the Windows partition."

    No it doesn't, this installer installs Debian on normal Linux partition not to a file.

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  16. the Tux Virus by hawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This scenario was labeled the "Tux Virus" many years ago.

    Typically, the scenario involved a win95 themed wm and a far-fetched belief that wine or openoffice could allow the user to be fooled at least briefly.

    hawk