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Social Networks At A Crossroads

mateuscb writes "A few years ago, social networking Web sites were just some newfangled technology that college students loved. But over time, they have metamorphosed into an unavoidable Internet phenomenon that is changing the way people of all ages keep in touch with friends, find long-lost acquaintances, explore new hobbies and even look for employment."

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  1. unavoidable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    still haven't joined one. facebook, myspace, hi5... who cares. I know who my friends are.

    1. Re:unavoidable? by justin12345 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My roommate is like that, he never created an accout on any SN site. He gets really pissed because he never gets invited to parties anymore as all the invites are distributed on MySpace (within our circle of friends). Likewise, he didn't buy a cell phone until 2006, and only then because at that point the cell phone was cheper then a land line. Before that, it annoyed everyone else that he was so hard to reach that even his close friends eventually stopped trying. I've never seen the nobility in not participating in cultural trends. All he ever did was isolate himself and alienate his friends.

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    2. Re:unavoidable? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then how do you get your self-esteem, if you aren't using social networks? I do not understand.

    3. Re:unavoidable? by Bluesman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This whole social networking (and cell phone proliferation) started as I went through college.

      My senior year of high school, cell phones were divided into two classes - "Mobile Phones" which were a brick with a handset attached that you kept in your car, and "Cellular Phones" which looked much like the phones you buy today but four times the size. Nobody who didn't have a full time job as a salesman had one.

      Four years later, the mobile brick phones were gone, cell phones were cheap enough that almost everyone I knew had one, and Instant Messaging had become mainstream.

      I noticed in that time that when they were constantly available, people became extremely loathe to make any concrete plans at all. Whereas four years before, I could say, "Hey, tonight lets meet at 7 at the club" and expect a yes or no response, after everyone had a cell phone the response was, "Well, uhh, just call me on my cell." Getting a group of people together was no longer a matter of setting a date time, and being able to reasonably expect them to show up, it now required 15,000 phone calls.

      I don't know how it happened, but cell phones and IM turned everyone into 14-year-old girls.

      Now if I'm expected to check your web site every day to see if you're having a party instead of the courtesy of a phone call or email, thanks, but no thanks.

      As such, I don't blame your friend in the least for not wanting to participate in the drama of keeping in touch with people like that.

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    4. Re:unavoidable? by AndyChrist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I might use social networking sites if they had less glittery animated text gifs, music that makes me want to stab my ears out, and mongoloid spelling and grammar.

      I have nothing against the concept, it's just that the vast majority of social networking site users (especially Myspace) are people I do not want to have any contact with whatsoever.

    5. Re:unavoidable? by Bluesman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather the "no" instead of the "maybe". You can't plan anything on "maybes."

      You're assuming that my whole world revolves around providing entertainment for people with cell phones. It does not, as much as they like to think it does.

      And I find the implicit "Well, sure, unless something better comes along" that goes along with the "maybe" to be insulting. There's something to be said for making a committment and keeping it, especially among friends.

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  2. "and even look for employment" by footissimo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..with the amount of employers looking through social network sites for information on employees...surely that should be "and even look for unemployment"?

  3. Linked In? by lottameez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm surprised linkedin wasn't mentioned. It's getting a lot of use by the professional social networking crowd.

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    1. Re:Linked In? by EvilIdler · · Score: 4, Funny

      >professional social networking crowd
      What the hell does that mean? Professional social networking?
      Prostitutes? Drug dealers?

    2. Re:Linked In? by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What the hell does that mean?
      Professional social networking? Prostitutes? Drug dealers?

      Yes, if your 'massage therapist' or your 'herb specialist' check their email often, they would be included too.

      Basically, it's anyone with work experience that has regular email access. I guess you could use your friendster account or your facebook account to network professionally, but most people (I believe) prefer to keep their personal lives separate from their professional ones (even if the separation is only one short url away).

      In other words, you could leave comments about the product quality and the customer service you've enjoyed from your local herbal specialist. And his boss could leave comments about his employee's strong work ethics and his dedication to the product.
  4. Unavoidable? by Threni · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're completely easily avoidable. Whenever I get sent a link to one, I reply with a link to http://isolatr.com/. People soon get the idea.

  5. it makes sense by fadilnet · · Score: 3, Informative

    It does make sense that online community sites/networks rock. I was never interested into these until this year. I tried Facebook. I'm not advertising facebook, BTW. It's just interactive. Since I don't have time (like most of you) to talk to friends in real life, and to offer them gifts or to poke them (yeah, try poking people in real life and you end up with police chasing you lol), I do it virtually. Most people find it easier to meet others online than in real life. How many hours do you spend procrastinating around on internet messengers or IRC channels, just for the sake of 'talking' to friends? Well, Online Community Networks is way cooler, interactive, and more importantly, you can find people you've lost. Had a girlfriend/boyfriend in high school whom you lost? Find him/her online. I guess online community networks are part of our lives (a bit like /.) - we wake up, check our emails, go there to check messages, poke people, send gifts, update our profile page and status, feed our virtual pets, send messages, etc all in a matter of minutes, and it does not tax on our real life schedules. Viva Facebook and others. I'm just sad that Yahoo can't turn 360 into something really cool. With Yahoo messenger backing it up, maybe it can. The privacy issue sucks though - example: Facebook profiles are being indexed by search engines (unless you edit your privacy settings). hmm..just a thought here, if Ajax write or the entire google docs, spreadsheet, etc is integrated into Facebook (because it's 'open'), can it be viewed as a true web OS? (don't want to go off-topic, but it's related - since when being viewed as a web OS, more people get interested into it)

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    1. Re:it makes sense by fadilnet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Very true. Once you start meeting new friends online, it switches to SMS and phone calls, and maybe rendez-vous in real life. However, most people keep communicating via the online community sites because it's free/cheap. E.g-> a virtual gift costs less than a gift in real life + the intention remains the same. Sending a message over facebook, hi5 or myspace, is free as compared to SMS (it's not free in many countries), etc.

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    2. Re:it makes sense by phantomlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Had a girlfriend/boyfriend in high school whom you lost? Find him/her online. Precisely why I don't use social networking sites. I prefer to be out of sight/out of mind for my stalker ex. She already suckered me in and wasted an extra year of my life once. I'd rather not let her have any way to get interested in my life again. Even if all she can see is my last login date, I prefer to let her wonder whether or not I'm still alive.
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    3. Re:it makes sense by putch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      what about just sending an email? why send the message using the stupid facebook message system. unless you want to leave a comment for others to see. just write a goddamn email.

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  6. Grrrr... paid journalism... by friend.ac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mean to sound like a Troll.. but gotta love those press junkies! That article smacks of a public relations exercise by YUNiTi. I've been approached many many times by people 'offering' to manage our public exposure.. by releasing various stories, even negative ones, to increase the sites exposure. We've even had stories sent to us 'about our site' and placed into comparison with myspace and facebook, that pitched in exactly the same way as this story - and for us to have it released to the major publications / sites would ONLY cost $X per release. Give us back proper journalism!

    1. Re:Grrrr... paid journalism... by mateuscb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It sure can smack of public relations excercise by YUNiTi. But, like all things, making guesses or assuming things can lead to bad nasty places. This may be completely out of context, but since this was metioned, why not delve in a little deeper. First a little background. YUNiTi has been developed solely by my brother and I, for the last two years. We feel there are so many useful things that networking sites could do to truly turn into a great tool, and yet they don't. They worry about things to keep people busy, like gifts, and "my status". Things you know are there to keep teens on their site all day and to keep their adds margin up. So, here we are the two of us, with a cool idea, with lots of weekend and nite hours put in. With no money to get the word out. So,we sent a few emails out to some publications, and the guys at SNL found it an intersing and notable site that had some potential. And he decided to write it about it. Its like you have a great cration, but you have no way of showing the world. So, i ask this of the slashdot comunity? How do you get something out you've spend so much time and truly belive in?

    2. Re:Grrrr... paid journalism... by turing_m · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahhh, proper journalism... I remember that era with such vivid nostalgia! How the unicorns pranced merrily in the fields, sun glinting from their horns. If you got up at dawn, you could see the shimmering of tooth fairies as they completed their morning errands. And back in those days, we were within a few dollars of actually ending third world poverty. I reckon it could have been solved if only we had donated the money we saved from our offices going paperless.

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  7. Fine Grained Privacy Is Not New by illectro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember when imeem launched its peer to peer social networking gizmo they made a great deal about the fine grained privacy settings that could be applied to everything that you were connected to, but over time they've reduced the ability of users to protect things, shifted everything from the software client to a website only, and morphed into something like 'Youtube for music'

    The new imeem is way cooler.

  8. "Unavoidable phenomenon" by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is the users of these sites believe they have stumbled across some "unavoidable phenomenon"? It sounds to me like a self-justifying phenomenon (or, more precisely, a phenomenon of self-justification).

    And here's the part I *don't* get -- all the comments from people saying "I don't have time to keep up with friends and family, but since I joined {Facebook/Myspace/etc} we can keep in touch and make new friends..." WTF? Maybe if you peeled your fat ass away from the computer and spent time with family and friends and maybe got involved with some activities you could make new friends.

    Maybe its just Wall Street greed coupled with the myopia of 20 somethings.

    1. Re:"Unavoidable phenomenon" by WrongHeaded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real benefit of facebook, at least as far as I'm concerned, is not the ability to poke or post or message or whatever facebook communication you like best. I use it effectively like a huge address book.

      When I'm heading home for the summer, and I think to myself, "Hey, it would be cool to hang out with my old HS buddies. I wonder what they're up to." I can start up facebook, search for them by name, friend them, and get their phone numbers.

      I don't have a little address book like my parents did until recently (I know that now they have an excel spreadsheet doing the same job, and I don't have that either.) I have facebook, which is like an address book that I can access from anywhere with the web.

      That's my 2 cents.

  9. In other news, green is the new black! by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few years ago, social networking Web sites were just some newfangled technology that college students loved

    ...Whereas now, the first round of those original college kids have graduated and some haven't yet moved on; additionally, their younger siblings have started using these services to get a head start on the Cool New Thing(tm). Woo-woo.



    But over time, they have metamorphosed into an unavoidable Internet phenomenon

    I'd call this a sad commentary on the steadily advancing age-of-first-real-job, not an "internet phenomenon". YMMV. In any case, I've managed to avoid them quite well, thankyouverymuch.



    changing the way people of all ages keep in touch with friends

    No, not really. The afforementioned "college kids who haven't moved on yet" use it to keep in touch. The rest of us still use the phone or email or, wonder-of-wonders, physically meeting one another.



    and even look for employment.

    "Look". Not "find".

    These folks have a rather rude awakening to look forward to... The rest of the world really doesn't give two shakes of a rat's ass about their pathetic little ego-pages. It doesn't care about their blogs, their favorite bands, their pictures of their cat/dog/iguana/fish-named-bob.

    Your future employer doesn't care about Bob-the-fish. He cares that you have the ability to work, in person, with others, and get the job done. The fact that you can't differentiate between "friends" and "people you've never met but add to a counter on your website" doesn't really help with that.

    1. Re:In other news, green is the new black! by sleight82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, not really. The afforementioned "college kids who haven't moved on yet" use it to keep in touch. The rest of us still use the phone or email or, wonder-of-wonders, physically meeting one another.

      I'd disagree...the fact that I have moved on (2000 miles from where 90% of my friends live) is precisely the reason I use it to keep in touch. It's not a substitute for phone calls, emails, and personal visits, but I can't afford a $300 trip to meet up for coffee with a friend, and time zone differences often makes phone convos difficult with more than immediate family. I think each form of medium has a place along a spectrum of options - personal visits -> video calls -> phone calls -> emails -> social networking blogs -> twitter -> shouting from a mountaintop.

      These folks have a rather rude awakening to look forward to... The rest of the world really doesn't give two shakes of a rat's ass about their pathetic little ego-pages. It doesn't care about their blogs, their favorite bands, their pictures of their cat/dog/iguana/fish-named-bob.

      But that's the great/worst thing about the Internet - you can put up anything, and whether anyone really cares is a moot point. But undeniably, there is someone is crazy enough to care.

  10. Social networking seems kind of over by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Social networking sites seem to me to be kind of over. A few years ago I was active on a few of them; Tribe and Nerve were fun. But the fun sites are over. Myspace is just the new AOL.

    Phone-based social networking is probably where things are going. Although, interestingly, the iPhone doesn't have social networking. Helio does, but nobody uses Helio.

  11. Growth Rate Peaked Last Year by broward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The rate of growth for most of the social networking sites peaked in late 2006, almost a year ago. The referenced article is a reverberation of the inflection point.

    http://www.realmeme.com/roller/page/realmeme/?entry=social_networking_meme_verified

    I predicted MySpace's peak in growth early in 2006, almost coincident to when it occurred. The introduction of Facebook's third party API is a sign of an industry entering a consolidated and standardization phase.

  12. Everything old is new again by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Through a decade of technological "progress" the Internet self-important-erati have slowly been inventing the equivalent of the venerable BBS. What's worse, those who arrived to the party late actually think they've created something new that hasn't been done before.

    It's both amusing and frustrating to see the BBS spoken of as a technology of yesteryear, while mainstream Internet culture gets closer and closer to being an exact duplicate of BBS culture. Strip away all of the fancy buzzwords and you've basically got the same thing: people connecting to each other online.

    As a BBS sysop of nearly 20 years (please visit us online!) I can say with certainty that nothing has changed. Everything old is new again. And may I say to the "Web 2.0" and "social network" people: you didn't invent it.

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