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Linux Devicemaker Sued In First US Test of GPL
An anonymous reader writes "For the first time in the U.S., a company is being taken to court for a GPL violation. The Software Freedom Law Center has sued Monsoon Multimedia over alleged GPL violations in the Hava, a place- and time-shifting TV recorder similar to the SlingBox. Interestingly, Monsoon Multimedia is run by a highly experienced international lawyer named Graham Radstone. According to his corporate biography, Radstone has an MA in Law from the University of Cambridge, England, and held the top legal spot at an unnamed "$1 billion private multinational company." He also reportedly held top management positions with Philip Morris, Pfizer, and DHL. Sounds like the makings of a good old legal Donnybrook ahead."
What remains untested is the interpretation of the GPL and there are large parts of the GPL which are open to different interpretation.
For instance, the definition of "derived work" is pretty key to understanding the the GPL and the definition of that phrase is from being a done deal. The FSF has an faq that give Stallman's definitions and interpretations but these are not binding on the GPL.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Actually, it's a little bit simpler than that.
Fair and personal use exemptions notwithstanding, copying copyrighted works without permission from the copyright holder is copyright infringement. Period.
GPL'd code is copyrighted. The GPL merely grants permission to copy to people. Period.
However, the GPL _ONLY_ grants permission to those who agree to the terms of the license. If one doesn't agree, then unless alternative arrangements have been made with the copyright holder, there is nothing granting permission to copy. Without permission, any copying that isn't otherwise exempt from infringement suddenly becomes copyright infringement, just like any other copyrighted work.
The only reason derivative works are allowed to be forced to be subject to the GPL is because copyright naturally extends to derivative works anyways, as long as any copyrighted content from the original exists in the derived work.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The big deal is that it will set precedent for future cases. This accomplishes two things. One being it makes it easier for future copyright holders to win a case by citing this case (assuming the SFLC wins) when making theirs. When another judge has already ruled that this sort of case one way, another judge (or the same judge) is more likely to go with that ruling, rather than going the other way. Everything else being equal in a case, if there is precedent set, it will usually tip the judge in favor of ruling with the established precedent.
The second, and perhaps bigger issue here is, as I've already said, set precedent... so if this case is handled poorly by the SFLC, and precedent is set improperly, it's going to make enforcing the GPL that much harder for the next person. While it's unlikely that the SFLC would lose, if their lawyers completely botched it, it would be very bad for the GPL, at least in the short term and would potentially encourage unscrupulous companies to continue or begin to infringe the GPL, since there is case law that shows it's unenforceable.
So yes, it's a big case. Any case that establishes precedent is a big case for the issue involved.
They're distributing GPL licensed software in binary form without the source code and without an offer to supply the source code on request.
These are requirements of the license.
It's really that simple.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Using your example of "Monsoon built a box, and put the BusyBox software on it, and uses the BusyBox software as a "black box" utility package."
I think the issues would arise if:
1) They are not telling anyone that they are using GPL software and not passing on the license or an offer for the source,
2) They have not modified BusyBox and are not passing on where they got the sourc0e for it from or passing on an offer for the source,
3) They have modified BusyBox and wont share the changes to their customers.
4) They are making some sort of claim that the GPL means that copyright doesn't apply - I have heard it before but never from a top lawyer.
In all cases the appropriate result would be that Monsoon either release the source, plus and modifications and derivatives, plus the license, to their customers, or they must stop using the software and presumably pay some compensation to both the copyright holder (for copyright violation / contract violation) and preferably also pay compensation to their customers (they are also harmed by this after all). In no case should they be compelled to release code that does not fall under the GPL (as decided by the court - if it gets there.)
Well that's my view anyway, but then I am not a top lawyer and have never worked for a $billion company. - IANAL this is not advice.
so the rest of your post is meaningless.
The GPL is a distribution license (as stated by Eben Moglen), which you are free to accept or reject. And the instant that you redistribute the work that it covers (and hence copy that work), then you are subject to copyright law, whether or not you agreed to the license.
And that's where agreeing or rejecting the GPL becomes relevant, because if you didn't agree to the GPL then you are guilty of copyright infringement, since nothing else gives you the right to copy. Simple.
Contracts require bilateral agreement. A distribution license doesn't require your agreement at all --- nobody forces you to agree to it, but it's on offer if you want it. However, if you don't accept it then nothing else will protect you from copyright infringement if you redistribute the work.
Copyright law is notoriously unclear on what a "derived work" is. But yes, this is a general copyright-law issue, not a GPL-specific issue.
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I'd like to see you boot a working Unix system without those tools. I'm not talking about running a shell. I'm talking about simply booting the system. Mounting the root filesystem, starting init, starting whatever daemons are necessary... The Linux boot scripts depend *very* heavily on these tools. (That's not to say it's theoretically impossible to boot without using 'ls', 'cd', 'rm', etc... But you would need *something* that accomplishes the same functions.)
Nope, it's not a contract. It's a conditional license, the granting and continuation of which is conditional upon complying with its terms. As soon as you break the terms you have revoked the license yourself, and may no longer distribute under it.
This is why Slashdot is a poor source for legal information, because people like you post ridiculous theories on it.
-- Alastair
The GPL is constructed in such a way that downloading the software is acceptance to be bound by its terms.
Bullshit. It is no such thing.
Read Section 0, second paragraph, and Section 5 (referring to GPL 2, which is the one in question here).
Offering the software for download indicates acceptance of the terms by the offeror of the download (who may be several steps downstream from the copyright holder). The downloader is free to do with it as he or she wishes, totally ignoring the GPL unless he or she wishes to further redistribute the code (modified or unmodified). The license, should they choose to accept it, is granted by the upstream copyright holder, not the offeror of the download.
-- Alastair
Even though they said something about requiring an EULA to download the firmware over two weeks ago, it's still freely available from their site.
myhava.com/support_downloads_hava.html
For the, "Firmware - 32 bit version" (4.4 MB), just strip the first 96 bytes & mount it as a cramfs image.
I have to say that I agree. In all such things I ask myself: "What would Eban Moglen do?" Until recently he was the legal genius behind the GPL. (maybe he still is, I'm a bit confused) His approach was always to resolve the problem without needing to sue. It really does seem to me that these guys went off half cocked. If you want to see what happens when you do that, check out SCO.
Well at first I thought as you did, at least until I went to Hava's forums to see what got everybody up in arms. The support drones first response was to accuse the users of violating Hava's EULA:
Greetings all.
I have a little secret to let you in on - HAVA runs Linux! Yes, much of the source is GPL and we should publish those sections which we have modified per the terms of GPL. A project is underway to pull this together.
A couple of observations - some of you appear to be violating the terms of the End User License Agreement, specifically:
Quote:
2. Restrictions
You recognize and agree that the HAVA Software including its structure, source code and the design and structure of modules or programs, constitute valuable trade secrets owned by Snappymultimedia or its licensors. You will not copy or use the HAVA Software except as expressly permitted by this EULA and, specifically, you will not
[...]
(b) yourself or through any third party modify, reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile the HAVA Software in whole or part, except to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law, and then only after you have notified Snappymultimedia in writing of your intended activities;
Seems to me that some of you have just come out blatantly admitting you are reverse engineering the firmware - or trying to. How should we handle this?
Also, please realize that NOT ALL of HAVA's important functionality is covered by GPL, so you won't actually have everything you need to get HAVA working.
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Best regards,
MyHAVA Support
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Eben Moglen, "Licenses are not contracts: the work's user is obliged to remain within the bounds of the license not because she voluntarily promised, but because she doesn't have any right to act at all except as the license permits."
[http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html]
-- Nick "Hallo this is Beel Gates, und I pronounce weendows as
Well, no. The license exists. There's no way to go back in time to make it not exist. That cat is already out of the bag.
Until you give notice of termination of the license, it is still in effect and you're still not bound by your legal promise not to sue for infringement.
[I assume you mean "you're still bound" :-) ].
Perhaps that's why the GPL has the following section?
...that is, giving notice in advance that performing certain actions will terminate the licence.
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