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Cyber Crime A Distant #3 Priority for FBI

An anonymous reader writes "A reading of the Justice Department's 2008 budget justification to Congress for the FBI indicates the agency is dedicating about 5.5 percent of its field agents to combating cyber crime, the FBI's stated Number Three priority, The Washington Post reports. Take away the agents dedicated to catching child predators online — a program that accounts for the vast majority of the department's prosecutorial victories — and about 3.6 percent of the FBI's agents are dedicated to cyber crime, the report notes. From the story: 'If the FBI's third most-important priority claims just over 3.5 percent of its active agents, how many agents and FBI resources are dedicated to the remaining Top Ten priorities?'"

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  1. It's not important yet... by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not important yet...kind of like airport security before 911.

    After China pwns all of the DoD's sensitive data, you can bet they'll pump all kinds of money at it.

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    1. Re:It's not important yet... by SnoopJeDi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You realize this is only talking about the FBI, right?

      And that this doesn't take into consideration the cybercrime divisions of several other government agencies?

      Right?

    2. Re:It's not important yet... by vishbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong angle? Perhaps they view cybercrime as a division that you don't necessarily just throw agents at. They may only have a specific number of agents with the specific training necessary to prosecute cybercrime cases.

      I'm just saying that perhaps looking at simple agent ratios wouldn't necessarily be an accurate reflection of the amount of attention that cybercrime receives. The other jobs may be more man-power intensive, even though they may be lower down on the priority list.

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    3. Re:It's not important yet... by Anonymous+Curmudgeon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking of ratios, it's interesting to note that, according to the article, they're requesting $258.5 million for 659 field agents. Does the $392,261 per agent seem excessive to anyone else? I suppose it depends on what kind of support staff gets lumped into that bucket.

      Also, how exactly do you define a field agent, in this case? Is the guy who hangs out in chat rooms, pretending to be a 14 year old girl a field agent, or are field agents the ones kicking down doors and confiscating computer equipment?

    4. Re:It's not important yet... by syn3rg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Parent is spot on: it's not something you throw Agents at, it's something you throw Information Analysts at.
      The FBI has allocated 659 (out of 11,868; or 5.5%) Agents -- with the authority to arrest and prosecute -- to the Cyber division. However, it has allocated 492 (out of 2303, or 21.4%) of it's Information Analyst positions to the task. That's close to a quarter of the guys who would be the ones actually investigating Cybercrime anyway.

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    5. Re:It's not important yet... by pokerdad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does the $392,261 per agent seem excessive to anyone else?

      Its not the agents that are expensive, its the mathematicians

  2. Lobbyists by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone knows that the FBI's most important priority, and the largest percentage of their manpower is devoted to lobbying congress for more power.

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    1. Re:Lobbyists by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone knows that the FBI's most important priority, and the largest percentage of their manpower is devoted to lobbying congress for more power.

      Same with big corporations. Gates' clever (and misleading) lobbying for more H-1B's is a prime example.

    2. Re:Lobbyists by dascritch · · Score: 4, Funny

      and 2 agents are running after UFOs, 11th Top Priority

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  3. Whaaaa? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    'If the FBI's third most-important priority claims just over 3.5 percent of its active agents, how many agents and FBI resources are dedicated to the remaining Top Ten priorities?'"

    I am not sure what you want. This reminds me of a conversation I once had with a user:

    User: Why didn't you add feature X in this revision?

    Me: If you remember, we sent out a feature ballot, and X was not voted high.

    User: That's because you put it toward the end of the ballot list, where people didn't see it.

    Me: We can't put everything at the top of the list.

    User: Why not?

    Me: (I fake a beeper call and leave)

    1. Re:Whaaaa? by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone who's studied this research seriously knows that the proper protocol is to randomize the order.

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  4. Espionage? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only on its own citizens.

  5. X Files by Rank_Tyro · · Score: 4, Funny

    What priority are the X-Files?

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    1. Re:X Files by barry_the_bogan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Last I heard, they just had two agents working on them.

  6. the logical answer by User+956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the FBI's third most-important priority claims just over 3.5 percent of its active agents, how many agents and FBI resources are dedicated to the remaining Top Ten priorities?

    Well, obviously, less than 3.5%. So, if you use the optimistic estimate that each of the other 7 in the top 10 priorities are slightly less than 3.5% (i.e. 3.4%), that totals 23.8%, which means the top two priorities are consuming at least 72.7% of the resources.

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    1. Re:the logical answer by Minwee · · Score: 2, Informative

      First off, as others have pointed out, you are assuming that there are only ten priorities.

      Second, and more importantly, you need to read the article summary again and try to see which weasel words apply to which statements.

      [...] the agency is dedicating about 5.5 percent of its field agents to combating cyber crime, the FBI's stated Number Three priority, The Washington Post reports. Take away the agents dedicated to catching child predators online -- a program that accounts for the vast majority of the department's prosecutorial victories -- and about 3.6 percent of the FBI's agents are dedicated to cyber crime, the report notes.
      The number three priority takes 5.5% of field agents. The 3.6% number is just a conveniently small fraction of that which was chosen because it looks better in headlines.

      Did you know that if you take away all of the right handed agents who speak English as a first language, there would be only 10% of all FBI agents even showing up to work in the morning? If showing up for work in the morning claims just over ten percent of its active agents, how many agents and FBI resources are dedicated to doing anything for the rest of the day?

  7. Only on Slashdot by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will you see support of websites like thepiratesbay.org and disdain for the RIAA and MPAA and complaints that the government is trying to monitor internet traffic and watch what we're doing and then turn around and complain that the FBI isn't taking cybercrime seriously...

  8. No prizes for guessing what the top priority is by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure #1 is taking up about 90% of the agents or thereabouts (no it doesn't say so in the document, far too long and too pdf for me to read or even search through the whole thing). Because terrorist attacks are soooooo much more scary than the other 9. I think we should bump it up to 100% and just forget about every other problem except for those darn terrorists.

    Priority 1 - Protect the United States from terrorist attack
    Priority 2 - Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and
    espionage
    Priority 3 - Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and hightechnology
    crimes
    Priority 4 - Combat public corruption at all levels
    Priority 5 - Protect civil rights;
    Priority 6 - Combat transnational and national criminal organizations and enterprises
    Priority 7 - Combat major white-collar crime
    Priority 8 - Combat significant violent crime
    Priority 9 - Support federal, state, local and international partners
    Priority 10 - Upgrade technology to successfully perform the FBI's mission

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    1. Re:No prizes for guessing what the top priority is by shanen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is that list a bad joke? Maybe it's somehow a second-hand Gonzo joke? The American legal system is really that twisted up after a few years of neo-GOP misrule?

      Actually, I suspect that it's distorted by misclassifications, which seems to be the norm of all government statistics these days. Most obviously, a lot of the computer-related crime probably gets refiled under higher priority categories. If a stock pump-and-dump scam is being run by Pakistani-based scammers, and there is any reason to suspect that they might be routing some of the ill-gotten gains into funding terrorists, then that investigation and any associated agents are presumably refiled under priority #1.

      With regards to the comments about pushing problems onto ISPs, that hasn't worked yet, and no reason to expect it to. They are making money the way things are. As long as they can pass their spam-related costs back to their customers, they don't really care. The backbone people are actually in an even better position to do something--and they care even less about who pays for the packets. The more packets the better, as long as they get paid, and they probably include spam in their business plans these days.

      My own belief is we need to move the costs downstream, as close to the spammers as possible, and thereby reduce the overall costs on the entire system. If an ISP doesn't do it, the backbone should cut them off and all the other ISPs should get together and go after that ISP's customers. If a webhost helps the spammers and refuses to nuke their spamvertised websites, the DNS people should cut them off, or even better, route their DNS requests for illegal services to police websites. That will give the wannabe customers something to think about. It just seems incredible to me that so much highly visible and clearly illegal activity continues to flourish.

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    2. Re:No prizes for guessing what the top priority is by Kamineko · · Score: 4, Funny

      Priority 11 - Serve the Public Trust
      Priority 12 - Protect the Innocent
      Priority 13 - Uphold the Law

      No, wait!

    3. Re:No prizes for guessing what the top priority is by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Informative

      Neoconservative was first coined in the 80s as a synonym for "Reagan Democrats." It was a derisive term for politicians who cynically took (or pretended to take) conservative positions that they do not believe on certain issues for the purpose getting elected. The implication was that they did not hold those views, and once elected would not behave conservatively as they suggested.

      It certainly shouldn't be applied to people who have always been conservative. Ann Coulter is not a neocon. Both of the Clintons are. Newt Gingrich is not a neocon, but neither is Nancy Pelosi. Dick Cheney is not, but both the Bush presidents (41,43) could be considered to be. Rudy Guiliani is shaping up to be one. Barack Obama has cleverly been on the campaign trail (or otherwise occupied) during a number of policy-defining votes during his freshman term, so it remains to be seen just exactly what he is, and what he's pretending to be.

      Neocons don't tend to control anything, principally because they, like moderates, like to stick their finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing before not really doing anything of substance.

      There is no logical reason why the word would be repeated so often about people it does not describe except to create a new definition. One which is intended to associate conservatives with a certain kind of nazis by way of a common prefix. It is very tiring to watch this in action. Especially as it appears to be succeeding amongst the ill-informed, non-critically thinking masses.

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  9. Basic Math by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the story: 'If the FBI's third most-important priority claims just over 3.5 percent of its active agents, how many agents and FBI resources are dedicated to the remaining Top Ten priorities?'" It must be less than or equal to 24.5% since 3.5% * 7 = 24.5% !

    Oh, was that supposed to be rhetorical?
    Sorry. This slashdot, we are all pedants, with the occasional pedantess, here.
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  10. Nice try by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But there's more to cybercrime than copyright infringement.

    Cracking/theft of secure data
    DDoS attacks
    Spam and the associated botnets
    Viruses

    All of which come far higher on the evil list than copying music and movies. IMHO.

    And the RIAA/MPAA hate is well documented on many sites and not unreasonable. So far the pirate bay has proven to be within the law in the place it is based and so is not related to crime at all.

  11. This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Federal law enforcement's duty isn't to protect anybody, it's to stalk and build dossiers on people who disagree politically with the powers that be. I think the FBI's recent revelation that they're tracking over a HALF MILLION "terrorists" domestically should be eye opening to anybody who blindly trusts secretive government (not just US) agencies.

    Like the saying goes: "Be glad you're not getting all the government you're paying for."

  12. My experience with the FBI's cybercrime division by sammy+baby · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few years ago I had the pleasure of attending a "CEO's dinner" at a regional tech trade show. (I'm not a CEO, I just happened to work for the meetings major sponsor.) The majority of attendees were the type of people who wear very expensive watches and attend regional tech conferences and use words like "synergy" a lot.

    The keynote speech was given by an FBI special agent, and was about cybercrime (I hate that word). He talked about where major risks came from, talked up InfraGard a bit, and generally gave common sense advice to the CEO types there. I remember thinking, "This guy can't really be a computer security expert, can he?"

    At one point, I zoned out, and when I tuned back in I thought he was using a Latino name repeatedly in a context I didn't understand. So I glanced up at his powerpoint slide, then back at him, and then back at the slide, until I made the connection.

    He was talking about "warez," but he was pronouncing it "Juarez."

    I found it very hard to take him seriously after that.

  13. Yup by planetheidi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I've seen on the front lines, the Bureau has definitely been cutting back significantly on anything except intelligence gathering. Of course, fighting cybercrime was always challenging for them - I mean, go figure, most cybercrooks are International or very well proxied. Most of the time, the FBI just weeded out the terminally stupid. So honestly, it's not going to make too big of a deal in the short run.

  14. is it just me... by christopherjrider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    or is this just plain silly.

    Assuming for the moment that the top 10 are fairly evenly staffed, that's about 55%, give or take. That leaves about 45% for everything else.

    Seems roughly right to me. There are far more than 10 "big problems" in our good ol' US of A.

    1. Re:is it just me... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is kind of silly. 3rd highest priority seems very high, far above organized crime, corruption, violent crimes etc. The article makes is sound as if FBI doesn't care about cybercrime when in fact its exactly the opposite.

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  15. Yeah, I know. by CompMD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Number of Special Agents on the Cyber Crimes Task Force at the Kansas City field office: Five.

    I know three of them. They're good, and they have a good conviction rate, but still, only five? I don't know how they do it.

    1. Re:Yeah, I know. by tacocat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe Kansas is just a good home town kind of state and not rampant with crime but white picket fences and apple pie?

  16. And how is this a problem??? by rwyoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the level of incompetence of law enforcement agencies with respect to anything technical, why on earth would you want cybercrime at a high priority??? The less time they spend on it, the less damage they can do.

  17. Busy, But... by maz2331 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know those FBI folks are pretty busy and all, but could they just spare a LITTLE time to go arrest the SCO management team already?

  18. From a person who has done this before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though from the UK perspective, I would point out one thing.

    The primary aim of ALL government-operated organisations, in any part of the world is:

    SECURE YOUR BUDGET

    If you do not do this, you can whistle for any other work. If there is no independent audit or pressure to keep you primarily focussed on your work, more and more time will be spent fighting for your budget.

    So I suggest that between a quarter and a third of FBI staff are primarily engaged in this process. It will involve writing reports, attending liaison meetings, and general admin - all intended to ensure the presence of the FBI in other state run operations is expected, costed, and budgeted for.

    Of the remaining 2/3 of the staff, I suspect that anything up to half their time may be spent on either supporting the obtaining of the main FBI budget, or internal work intended to ensure that their portion of the money does not go to some other section.

    That leaves around 1/3 of staff time available for performing the priority tasks of the FBI.

    The same goes for the CIA, the British Security Service, and any other government body whose accounts are not open to independant audit. I have been through this loop before in Whitehall. Were you surprised at the cost of weapons development, or any other secretive government activity? Now you know. Remember, it's NOT commercial!

  19. Re:My experience with the FBI's cybercrime divisio by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

    He was talking about "warez," but he was pronouncing it "Juarez."

    I found it very hard to take him seriously after that. But that's how the illegals are getting in, those damn tubes run right under the Rio Grande. Go to Juarez's site and you can hop a tube straight into the US of A. It's not like a dumptruck! It's a series of tubes! Soylent Green is made of sherbet!
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