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The World's Languages Are Fast Becoming Extinct

Ant sends news of a report, released a couple of weeks back by the Living Tongues Institute for Endangered Languages in Oregon, on the alarming rate of extinction of the world's languages. While half of all languages have gone extinct in the last 500 years, the half-life is dropping: half of the 7,000 languages spoken today won't exist by the year 2100. The NY Times adds this perspective: "83 languages with 'global' influence are spoken and written by 80 percent of the world population. Most of the others face extinction at a rate, the researchers said, that exceeds that of birds, mammals, fish and plants."

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  1. I welcome... by ZiakII · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our new Chinese/English speaking overlords.....its the first step to having Firefly back on TV.

  2. Good thing? by icthus13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't this be a good thing? Less languages will mean more people speaking the same one, thus promoting better communication.

    1. Re:Good thing? by reddish · · Score: 5, Informative

      From The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy:

      "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
    2. Re:Good thing? by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Nunavut language has a special word that means "bears are evil", for which there is no English equivalent, as we have no special word that refers specifically to the type of evil that can only be associated with a bear.

      Bearvil.

      As soon as there is a concept which someone needs to express, they will come up with a word for it. See "haxor", "0wned", "automagical", etc.

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  3. Maybe... by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...we should look at is as the world population's inability to communicate is going extinct.

    Not everything that is old, traditional, or entrenched has the value nostalgia makes us want to apply to it.

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  4. SUV's by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not quite sure how yet, but have a feeling that SUV's are in part responsible for this.

  5. What will happen to English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What will happen to the grammatical, pronunciation, and spelling differences between British English and American English (as well as others)?

    For example, British English uses collective nouns (Microsoft are instead of Microsoft is) while American English thinks of the collective noun as singular.

    In the contrary, American English uses subjunctive form while it seems British English doesn't use it .

    Then you have all of the people that don't understand the differences between intransitive (takes no object) and transitive. (Lay and lie, anyone?)

    What is going to happen to the English language? Increasingly, I see blatant grammatical errors on signs in big box stores, advertising, and even documentation!

    Is grammatically correct English where the native speakers understand the differences of English in different countries?

    How students possible learn a native language like German and hope to speak it correctly with the proper articles if they don't even the grammar rules of a language with commonalities with the language that they would like to learn?

    Is this why foreign languages are dying? Or is it imperialism? Or is modern communication technology giving English even more priority over other languages?

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    1. Re:What will happen to English? by mmarlett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      English, as a language, is a tar baby. Punch it and it will stick to you. English is wiping other languages out (becoming the lingua franca, if you will) for two -- no, three -- reasons. One, money and power. Two, it's as flexible as it is convoluted. Three, pure entertainment.

      Don't think American's use collective nouns? Bull. Don't think British English uses the subjective form? They must not be watching TV.

      If you want rigid adherence to rules of grammar and spelling that don't keep up with the actual usage, go speak French. Or Latin. Or be the 27th idiot to learn Esperanto, which has no problem keeping up with actual usage (your contributions would be welcome, I'm sure).

      Now, excuse me while I lie about getting laid.

    2. Re:What will happen to English? by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is going to happen to the English language?

      It is evolving faster than probably any language ever has before, and the rate of its change is likely to increase.

      For years now, there are more users of English as a second language than there are native speakers of the language. If we have not done so already, we are coming close to the point where there is more correspondence in English between people who learned English as a second language than there is correspondence that involves at least one native speaker of English. We are also moving toward the point where there sum of all documents ever published in English by native English speakers is smaller than the total of all English documents written by non-natives.

      It is now not uncommon for a Finn, a Pakistani, an Israeli, and a Brazilian to collaborate on a software project written in Python, Ruby, or Perl, and use English as the language for all aspects of the project even though none of them are good speakers of English.

      English is getting stripped of a bunch of silly rules that were never really core to the language, and is being expanded by a bunch of new concepts that new users are bringing in from their own native languages. The result is probably going to offend the sensibilities of a lot of the older English teachers in English speaking countries. Gee, that's too bad if they can't keep up. But the benefits of a global language are worth putting up with jarring phrases and strange sounding usages.

    3. Re:What will happen to English? by Rufty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nothing is new. English started so that "Norman knights could chat up Saxon barmaids"
      And now it's used for Russian Rubyists to insult Portuguese Pythonistas? Plus ca change ...

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    4. Re:What will happen to English? by spxero · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's also the apostrophe's property of showing ownership or possession.

  6. Re:Reminds me ... by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, it's not our fault that we were taught the universal language as children.

  7. Re:Good /bad thing? - Irrelevent. by ashitaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There have been thousands of cultures that have developed, sometimes to world-conquering levels, then faded and disappeared. Some did so naturally through being unable to self-sustain, others were the result of genocide or forced assimilation. Whether you feel sad about it or not, if Hitler had succeeded the Jewish culture would definitely not be the first to disappear through violent means. Not by a long shot.

    The difference now is that there are forces that speed up the extinction of non-self-sustaining types of cultures. Here in Canada there are more than a few First Nations languages which no more than a couple of people still speak. These are being recorded and documented as quickly as possible but it is understood that these will die out as soon as there is no one who needs to use them as part of their daily existence.

    Is it sad that this is happening? Only if you don't realize the fact that the only reason there are so many different languages on earth is because of historic geographic isolation of all the different peoples. With instant worldwide communication and the ability to travel to just about any spot on the earth within a day or two, the conditions that allowed disparate languages and cultures to develop in the first place no longer exist.

    That being said, languages are still developing and evolving, but now due more to artificial forces such as intentional introduction of slang as personal identification and new technologies and methods that need new terms to describe. e.g.: "Double-click the minimize control to select the desired HDMI input". Perfectly understandable to you and me, complete gibberish to most people over 50. And that's just in English.

    We live in interesting times. The second case of technological development having a profound effect on all mankind, the first being the industrial revolution. I believe this second phase will have a much greater effect than the first.

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  8. Not all languages are equally expressive by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are some things you just cannot say in certain languages because they lack the constructs and idioms. At one stage my father and I could speak English, Afrikaans and Zulu reasonably well and we'd often mix these all and be able to express richer thoughts than by just sticking with one language. Having moved away from South Africa, my ability to speak both Afrikaans and Zulu have fallen away badly and I can now really only communicate in English.

    Various words just have no real translation. "Gesellig" (Dutch) just means so much more than the dictionary equivalents: genial, social. Similarly "mana" (Maori) means more than just pride or spirit.

    Kill a language and you kill a culture. Kill a culture and you end up with disaffected people. You just need to look at Inuit, Uustalian Aboriginal and various other groups to see that this is a bad thing.

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    1. Re:Not all languages are equally expressive by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Various words just have no real translation. "Gesellig" (Dutch) just means so much more than the dictionary equivalents: genial, social. There are lots of words that have meanings that fall right in the middle of a cluster of words in another language, but have no perfect translation. Thing is, that's largely irrelevant. There's no large, gaping hole in your ability to describe your world to others simply because there's no exact word in English that means the same as "gesellig".

      Similarly "mana" (Maori) means more than just pride or spirit. Yeah, it means prestige/honor. You might argue that "prestige" doesn't capture the true essence of "mana", but I'd argue that you don't know the true meaning of "prestige". Unless you can articulate what's missing, you can't say there's a gap in the meaning. If you can articulate the diference, then you've demonstrated the English is perfectly capable of communicating the concept--- it just doesn't have a singular word for it. There's nothing magic about having a special word for something. If it's truly an important concept, a word will be created for it, or borrowed from another language. Language is a living, flexible tool. It can adapt to anything.

      Kill a language and you kill a culture. Kill a culture and you end up with disaffected people. RTFA. No one is "killing" these languages. They're dying because people are abandoning them. Cultures are dying for the same reason. The notion that aboriginal culture should be preserved at all costs ignores the fact that doing so requires that we keep people living in stone-age squalor and forbid them modern conveniences like manufactured clothing, steel tools, or (horrors!) television! Cultures come and go. Old people decry it, young people embrace it. It's the oldest story in human history.
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  9. Linguists, anthropologists hardest hit. by nocensposteri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, it is good that people can communicate as we move towards a one-world language. It breaks down a powerful barrier to understanding, as language is deeply intertwined with culture, history, and worldview.

    So thats good, practically speaking.

    Unfortunately, since language is so powerful in molding minds, we lose a lot when a language dies. We lose profound knowledge about a culture and the way it sees the world. To an anthropologist or linguist, this loss is irreplacable, which is why there are projects about whose goal is to record native languages before thier last speaker dies. Piecing together the natural history of humanity becomes that much harder when language dies.

    Like everything else, you take the good with the bad.

  10. I know you're just joking, but... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know you're just joking, but, just in case, consider this: how much manipulation is facilitated by the fact that those doing it can cherry-pick what they translate, and rely on a mass of sheep who don't know the other language and can't be arsed to check?

    If someone in, say, America were to tell you that the Canadians as a whole are preaching holy Jihad upon the infidel Americans, everyone would just call him nuts. There are maybe millions of people who live close to the border or travel across the border, and can tell you relatively first hand what the Canadians actually say. Or if not, you can just order a newspaper and read for yourself what they do say. Even if they were to manage to find one nutcase preaching holy war, everyone would point out just that: it's just one idiot that noone else takes seriously.

    Now try Americans vs Arabs, Arabs vs Jews, or whatever other manipulation across a language barrier. Now that works much better, doesn't it? You can cherry-pick which extremists (on both sides) to translate out of context, to make it sound like a whole language or ethnic group is hell-bent on wiping you off the face of the Earth. (Never mind that no group that size ever agreed on anything else, for as long as we have a recorded history.)

    It goes sorta like this: Some fringe group on side A does a bit of fist shaking and maybe sabre rattling. Idiot politicians or journalists on side B take that out of context, maybe even mis-translate it a bit, present it as "Look what side A is saying about us!" Then some easily excitable nutcase on side B goes, basically, "yeah, well, I say nuke the idiots until they glow and let their god sort them!" Then idiot politicians or journalists on side A (or whoever has a vested interest in stirring up the pot) take _that_ out of context, maybe even take a pick of words when translating to sound even more ferocious, and present it as "Look what side B is saying about us!" Loop.

    Sometimes even the subtle meaning of one word can be altered enough in translation to cause a big rift, although technically it is a honest-to-god translation.

    E.g., a lot of the relatively early Christian problems leading schisms and heresies, a good thousand years before Hus and Luther, were... translation problems. Stuff that made sense about Christ in Greek, sounded like a major heresy when translated in Syriac, because the nuances of some words were different.

    And that was guys who did a good faith effort to translate the scriptures and the dogmas decided in the church councils. Now imagine what you can do when you aren't that honest, and don't stop short of outright distorting the other side's words.

    Or the even shorter version: if that quote was right, the USA, the UK, Canada and Australia should be the greatest enemies in history.

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  11. English does not borrow from other languages.. by Chas · · Score: 5, Funny

    English follows other languages down dark alleys, hit them over the head, and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar.

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    1. Re:English does not borrow from other languages.. by rssrss · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

      -- James Nicoll

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  12. The death of language is GOOD, not bad. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A language is just a communication protocol. Would you say that having 7000 incompatible networking protocols is a good thing? No, it patently isn't. Thousands of incompatible languages simply help create pockets of ignorance and deprivation. The only people who benefit are those who can translate.

    Having said that. The corollary is that learning multiple languages is a good idea for an individual. If you live in the UK and speak only English then you are excluded from the largest economies on the continent; France Germany etc. The French and Germans all speak English. If their economies tank, they can always look for work in the UK.

    Speaking of which, I have a German lesson this evening.

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