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UC Berkeley Posts Full Lectures to YouTube

mytrip writes to tell us that Berkeley is now using YouTube as an important teaching tool. Today marks the first time a university has made full course lecture available via the popular video sharing site. Featuring over 300 hours of videotaped courses initially, officials hope to continue to expand this program.

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  1. Awesome! by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

    By watching these, it will have the same effect on me as getting UC Berkeley degree!

    (Except for the job offers and stuff.)

    1. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm surprised the internet hasn't made us reexamine the entire nature of our higher education system. Is congregating people in one spot for four years to learn something really the best way to do it? Of course there are physical things that you need access to for a lot of classes, but we could be looking at a future where education is a lot more accessible, transparent, and open. If you could sit in on lectures and classes just because they interest you, there may be a lot more people learning things and getting exposed to knowledge they otherwise wouldn't have. You're right that there would need to be some way to certify and verify things, and that's really the main strength of the current system. I can't help but thinking there's got to be a better way. But we're definitely not there yet, and old institutions die hard. In some ways we're actually moving away from this ideal, college is getting more and more expensive and the State is helping out less and less.

      Whenever you make education more widely available you improve all aspects of society, so it's in everyone's interest to be able to do something like this. Is progress being held back simply because of technological hurdles or is there elitism and old-thinking that's keeping the system from evolving?

    2. Re:Awesome! by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm all for making this kind of material publicly accessible. If someobdy wants to watch these lectures, it's great that they'll be able to do that from the comfort of anywhere there's a computer and network connection.

      As a Berkeley grad though, I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through. Especially in Computer Science, most of the lectures probably didn't differ a whole lot in content or form from those taught at other less prestigious institutions. Most of what I learned came from being surrounded by other driven students in a unique environment and completing challenging assignments. In particular, the first of those is all but impossible to capture in an online manner.

    3. Re:Awesome! by lymond01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These will serve multiple purposes, the most common one likely being a bunch of kids sitting around a table working on homework late at night and they get to a problem or analysis and one asks, "What did the prof say about this?", they bop online, fast-forward through the lecture, and listen again to the professor's wise words.

      If you miss a class, you can view the lecture online.

      Attending a centralized campus doesn't work for everyone, and online lectures are a good thing for full-timers. But I wouldn't TRADE one for the other -- attending college is like being hand-held into the real world in terms of responsibility (doing your own laundry), being social (interacting with peers), and building relationships (both friendly and business).

    4. Re:Awesome! by GnarlyDoug · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's a really narrow view on your part. There are a lot of people who would love to get an education. But they can't afford it. Or they can't fit it into a schedule because they need to work strange hours to feed thier kids. Or they live somewhere where a college isn't handy. Or, or, or...

      This is the start of education for the masses. Books are nice, but they don't convey enough information of certain types. The lectures will help go beyond that. Even barely literate people will be able to use these to learn. It will also be a huge boon to people with dyslexia and other issues. Even more important is the time-shifting aspect. Learn when you have time. Thanks to this trend a lot of people who might not have otherwise been able to get access to this type of education will now be able to do so. In time they'll probably be able to take tests as well and for very little money get a degree at their own pace and within the needs of their own life.

      The exciting thing about this is that it will actually allow the internet to do something really great. Provide effective, free, and high quality education to ANYONE who can get a computer and an internet connection. Which is rapidly becoming almost everybody in the world.

    5. Re:Awesome! by AndersOSU · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library.

      Anything that can be said in a lecture can be written in a book. Anything that can be drawn on the board or presented on an overhead projector can be presented in a book.

      Education doesn't come from sitting for lectures. At best the lectures provide the very most basic information to start the learning process. The real learning happens from interaction, assignments, and studying for tests. The value of a university isn't the lectures, it's the resources available to someone when they don't understand something they're studying. Whether that's classmates learning the same things at the same time, or expert professors and grad students (TAs) available through recitations or office hours, it's not recorded lectures and textbooks.

    6. Re:Awesome! by mikael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Have you not heard of the Open University that is run by the BBC? . You an cregister for the course, get the course materials sent to you by post, and the lectures would be broadcast on TV at the odd hours that no-one else would be watching. In those days, the main channels only started at 9.00am for school programming, and closed down at 12.00pm . Between those hours , Open University lectures would be broadcast, and repeated on the weekends. That allowed people to work their day jobs and study part-time, even more so if they had VCR.

      But now, the matierals are easier to distribute. From their website:

      The course materials

      We use a variety of media to help you learn. Your course may use any of the following different media that you will use from home (or wherever you choose to study):

              * printed course materials,
              * set books,
              * audio cassettes,
              * video cassettes,
              * TV programmes,
              * cd-rom/software,
              * web site,
              * home experiment kit.


      When Saturday morning kid's TV was boring, you could just change channels and watch presentation on mobius strips, fitting cubes into spheres, coastal erosion, the dangers of matching the harmonics of airplane engines/wings, bridges and wind speed, lasers and travel at relativistic light speeds.

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    7. Re:Awesome! by GnarlyDoug · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The fact that a handful of people said that about TV has what to say about this argument? The technologies aren't even remotely similar. Also, unlike with TV, we are already seeing that the educational possibilities are beginning to emerge on their own. It's not ivory tower speak. It's happening.

      Posting content to the internet is basically free and mostly unregulated. The content is available on demand. The internet also provides a means for feedback, chatting, and community discussions about the content to instantly spring up.

      Broadcasting on the airwaves is regulated by governmental monopolies and is a scarce commodity. It is regulated, censored, and horribly expensive. No ability for feedback loops or interaction.

      The internet reduces the cost of transmitting, storing, and replicating all forms of information to almost zero. Education is mainly a form of information. That is why it will become a tool of education. Even if only 0.1% are interested in using it that way, it will provide that function.

    8. Re:Awesome! by GnarlyDoug · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library....The value of a university isn't the lectures, it's the resources available to someone when they don't understand something they're studying.

      First, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests different people learn better with different approaches. Not all people learn well from reading the written word. Hearing it or seeing it will provide a great benefit for speed, retention, and comprehension for many people. Just because you do well with books does not mean everyone does.

      Second, a book is no more interactive than the lecture series will be. The lecture series + book is a much better combination.

      Third, with the internet you will soon have blogs or interactive discussion boards around these lectures. It's just the way the internet tend to be. So it will become interactive to a lessor or greater extent. Even if you miss most of the interactive action, if the discussions are retained it is likely the bulk of your questions that arose will be answered, making it far superior to reading a book in isolation. At minimum you'll get the added benefit of a FAQ, and if you're lucky you'll have an active forum and possibly even the ability to communicate with an authority.

      Fourth, this is just the start. Soon these educational videos will include dynamic information. You can't show a heart pumping in a book. You can't show a sterling engine in operation in a book. It's static. With video you can show, well, video. These lectures won't stay just being a video of some professor. Eventually someone will start putting out educational video that is much richer in content and leverages what you can do with video. There are tons of things you can do with video that you can't do with a printed page.

      Fifth, thanks to the feedback loops of the internet and network effects, the best videos will be found, rated highly, and rise to the top. So the best sources of information will soon be easy to find.

      The current crop of videos aren't all that important. It's what they probably portend for the future that is important. Fully dynamic, multiple approach (written, visual, auditory), interactive, free, at will education.

    9. Re:Awesome! by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sorry, but I really don't see how anyone is going to learn something from a non-interactive lecture on the internet that they couldn't learn from a book in a library.

      I'm an auditory learner. I do much better by sitting in a lecture (even when I'm not fully paying attention) than I do from reading a book myself. I also have an uncanny ability to remember, nearly down to the word, conversations that happened years ago -- this infuriates my wife but my friends find it to be crazy.

      So, while I could learn this material from a book, and have, it's much easier for me to do it by listening. I guess textbooks on CD would be a godsend for me -- although extremely boring ;)

      Just because YOU don't learn in one particular way doesn't mean that others won't.

    10. Re:Awesome! by JoshWurzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through

      You obviously never took Chem 1A with Professor Pines. The man blew something up or set something on fire during every lecture (on purpose). If I hadn't already known I wanted to be a structural engineer, he'd have convinced me to major in chemistry. A brilliant man. Makes me sad when I hear about everyone out there who struggles with freshman chem because it doesn't engage them correctly.

    11. Re:Awesome! by jumpingfred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You obviously never took Chem 1A with Professor Pines. The man blew something up or set something on fire during every lecture (on purpose). If I hadn't already known I wanted to be a structural engineer, he'd have convinced me to major in chemistry. A brilliant man. Makes me sad when I hear about everyone out there who struggles with freshman chem because it doesn't engage them correctly.
      Is he still teaching that course? I took that course 20 years ago.

    12. Re:Awesome! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When Saturday morning kid's TV was boring, you could just change channels and watch presentation on mobius strips, fitting cubes into spheres, coastal erosion, the dangers of matching the harmonics of airplane engines/wings, bridges and wind speed, lasers and travel at relativistic light speeds I think you know you're a geek when, as a child, you get up early on Saturday mornings and quickly get bored with cartoons and start watching whatever the OU are showing.

      Yes, I did it too.

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  2. How long will that be free? by asklepius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You would think that YouTube would balk at being the distributor for a university. Will they try and make money with this?

    1. Re:How long will that be free? by kebes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would think that YouTube would balk at being the distributor for a university.
      Why? They don't mind being the distributor for thousands of independent creators... nor do they mind being the distributor for the numerous "web TV shows" that have official YouTube channels.

      Will they try and make money with this?
      Of course they will. They'll apply the same business model that they are applying to all content uploaded to YouTube... Which is, apparently, to generate a huge community of video-posters and video-watchers, and then to make money off of promoted videos and selective advertisements.

      I fail to see how a university uploading videos that people want to watch is any different from anyone else uploading videos that people want to watch.
  3. Good for them by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free sharing of knowledge will only help create more and better engineers and scientists. MIT does something similar as well- at least outlines, and sometimes full lecture notes and videos are available at http://ocw.mit.edu/ for almost all their courses.

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    1. Re:Good for them by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, that's what universities are about. Or were, rather. Free flow of information and research based on the findings of those before you. Standing on the shoulders of giants and such.

      Today, few universities can really afford sharing and distributing their research. It usually belongs to someone else.

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    2. Re:Good for them by neapolitan · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Yes, good point. I've used the MIT course syllabi for for teaching myself a few topics needed for programming, and they have, on occasion, been very helpful. Harvard streams all its lectures so we could watch them in our dorm rooms, but they were not released outside of the firewall.

      Much as I would like to think that releasing video lectures will make people tune in on their Saturday night and become wonderfully educated citizens, I think this will be an evolutionary tool for a (relatively) niche market. Keep in mind that a vast repository of knowledge is already locally available for free for modest effort at your local library, in book and video forms, and look how masses of people are beating down doors to get in there.

      Nevertheless, I do feel the possibilities are large, and a few immediate points come to mind:

      - A complete (spoken) language course on Youtube / web for free would be very valuable. I could easily imagine sitting down for many hours watching a series of these and emerging with conversational language. This would be very useful prior to a planned trip so you could hit the ground running.

      - Courses are very good at integrating study tools for a topic. If you try to learn calculus by picking up a book, you can probably do it. However more complex / scattered topics (Renaissance painting in Italy, Advanced concepts in cryptography, etc.) are very easily done using lectures plus book supplementation to guide one so you don't get lost / swamped in the topic.

      Personally, I can't wait for video lectures to become freely available. I watched Andrew Morton at Google on Google Video as part of the speaker series, and found it quite interesting. However, I'm a geek, and you probably are too.

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    3. Re:Good for them by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 2, Informative

      Keep in mind that a vast repository of knowledge is already locally available for free for modest effort at your local library

      Have you been to a public library recently? The largest in my state doesn't even have any journal subscriptions. I know the quality varies from place to place, but a fairly high percentage of them are struggling along with almost no budget at this point.

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  4. videotaped intercourses by mynickwastaken · · Score: 2, Funny

    Over 300 hours of videotaped intercourses?
    Did they mean Porntube, isn't it?

  5. Wardrobe! by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is really great of them (even the podcasts they used to have were terrific) but they really need to get a fashion consultant to work on some of those professors...

    Clicking around randomly, I had to laugh at the attendance for Chemistry 3B, lecture 21. Yeah, that's about par for the course for Orgo that late in the term.

  6. Has anyone here actually tried by MeditationSensation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    educating themselves with all this online courseware stuff? Seems to me like most people would still need the oversight of having papers due, the classrooms discussions, and the 1-on-1 talks with professors to get the most out of a subject. But I could be wrong.

    1. Re:Has anyone here actually tried by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have. In the end, you have to buy the course books- the lecture notes just aren't detailed enough. They're an aid more than a main source, and they were written with that purpose in mind. Other than that, its no more difficult than any other way of learning from books. The ability to talk to fellow students and figure stuff out is missed (although replacable with web forums as underused as that idea is), but definitely doable. As for talking with professors- I don't think I ever did that in my undergrad, so for me its not missed.

      I'm reading the course book for MIT's signal analysis course now. I'm actually understanding the concept of Fourier transforms better now than I did in college with a professor teaching it- the book actually explains the math, something my prof never did.

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  7. I'll be taking... by vjmurphy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sleeping Kittens 101
    Girls Fighting Girls 273: Advanced Techniques
    I Love Turtles Symposium

    The future looks bright!

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    1. Re:I'll be taking... by zeromorph · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot: "Advanced particle physics 3B, lecture 21: Will it Blend?"

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  8. Hey! What do you think you're doing? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    The internet wasn't created to distribute information, dammit!

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  9. Also positive for good lecturers... by KokorHekkus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...since this will allow students to evaluate their lecturing style in addition to the other aspects that they consider when choosing a course. Personally I would have taken a harder calculus class if could have had another better lecturer. And conversely there are a few non-core courses that I would have dropped if I'd seen the way they were taught.

    And hopefully in the end it will lead to a somewhat higher standard in lectures all over in the long run even if there are some that will never change.

  10. Last gasp before the masses realize... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Berkeley is now using YouTube as an important teaching tool.


    I wonder if this is the last gasp before the masses realize...

    If you need to pay your own way though college (like I did), you're much better off buying 100- and 200-level credits at the local junior college and saving your money for the 300+ level stuff universities specialize in. (The teaching quality of 100/200's in the junior colleges is usually better than that at universities too - you get an actual teacher with a masters who came up through the high school ranks instead of some useless grad student who's stuck with you because he/she can't get a job.)

  11. Re:Attendance by faloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because, depending on the professor, attendance might still be mandatory to get the coveted piece of paper at the end.

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  12. Berkeley Webcasts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    UC Berkeley has been webcasting their classes for several years now. http://webcast.berkeley.edu/ It looks like they're just offloading the storage and network to youtube now.

  13. Depends by iknownuttin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Seems to me like most people would still need the oversight of having papers due, the classrooms discussions, and the 1-on-1 talks with professors to get the most out of a subject.

    For a course that I have to take - yes. For something that I'm really interested in - No.

    I wish I can remember the term, but there's this style of teaching/learning that's called something like Discovery Learning - I think. Anyway, here's an example of how it works and this is how I learn(ed) computer science (I'm 42 and always learning) in a nutshell:

    I see something, an algorithm, a piece of code in a language I've never seen before, whatever. I then say to myself, "WTF is that! I have to find out!" I then Google for it and start reading up on it. When I was a kid and learning how to program graphics, I started teaching myself geometry and trigonometry so I could eventually get the Apple II to draw graphics. The information has stuck with me until this day. Now, the grammar that I had to learn hasn't - as if you couldn't tell.

    I really think if our education system got away from the rote learning and drills and allowed kids to learn and have fun at it - it can be fun when you are personally discovering something - our education would greatly improve.

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  14. The Berkeley Advantage by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a Berkeley grad though, I generally wouldn't attribute very much of the value of my education there to lectures I sat (or slept) through. Especially in Computer Science, most of the lectures probably didn't differ a whole lot in content or form from those taught at other less prestigious institutions. Most of what I learned came from being surrounded by other driven students in a unique environment and completing challenging assignments. In particular, the first of those is all but impossible to capture in an online manner.

    Blah blah blah, all code for: "You can't take LSD over the Internet."

    ;)

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    1. Re:The Berkeley Advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm only a college professor, so what do I know, but I would have said that the main difference between reading the book/watching the film and actually taking the class would be that the professor grades your paper and gives you feedback on it. Maybe that's not true in engineering classes, but in history classes most of my time goes into reading student writing and commenting on it. In this way, students learn to construct and defend logical arguments.

  15. Still a better value for the dollar... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But the top colleges do teach even the low level courses in a different way.


    Not sure about that - I picked up my bad attitude at Duke U, and they like to think of themselves as a "top" school. (Maybe I should have accepted MIT's invitation instead.)

    Look at MIT's calculus course- far more about the theoretical underpinings of calculus than just endless differentiations. While you do get the credits far cheaper the junior college way, you don't learn as much.


    I suppose that might be marginally useful if you're going to get a doctorate in math someday, but I was just a lowly engineering major trying to get on with life without picking up student loan debt. If I was interested in the bells and whistles, I could have gone to the local bookstore and picked up a book on the history of math, mathematicians, etc.

    Instead, I was self-funded and debt-free a year out of college: the kind of accomplishment that gets employers' attention when competing with lightweights who coasted through college on their parents' dollar.
    1. Re:Still a better value for the dollar... by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am an engineer, and utterly uninterested in a doctorate in math. I also paid my own way, and thanks to doing 2 years of college concurrent with high school debt free the moment I left campus (albeit flat broke and with no car). I wish my courses did more of the theoretical underpinings. You can have a 50 dollar calculator solve a derivative for you. The understanding of how those formulas are derived, why they work, and the ability to think that way and apply them to things you learn later is priceless. That kind of problem solving ability and way of looking at things that I've found with study post college is worth more than all my college classes combined.

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  16. As a Berkeley Student... by PAKnightPA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a Berkeley Student, the first thing I thought was YES! Now I don't have to go to class. But seriously, this is why I really like UC Berkeley. They are a public school and seem to really take that to heart. While they wont give any schmuck a degree, they are funded in large part by the taxpayers so why shouldnt anyone be able to take advantage of what they have to offer?

  17. already available on UC Berkeley website by Komi · · Score: 5, Informative

    These are already available on the UCB site. I do like the YouTube format better, but the selection from the Berkeley site is currently larger. They have some great analog transistor design classes there.

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  18. spoken language course by Simonetta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    - A complete (spoken) language course on Youtube / web for free would be very valuable. I could easily imagine sitting down for many hours watching a series of these and emerging with conversational language.

        One way to pick up French or Spanish is to use the alternate audio and subtitles found on nearly all Hollywood DVD movies. Often there is both audio and subtitles in both French (for the Quebec audiences) and Spanish along with English second subtitles for the deaf.

        When paying close attention to the spoken dialog you will notice that it doesn't match the subtitles. That's because the films are actually translated twice by different teams. Once for the audio dubbed dialog and again for the subtitles.

        For French try and find modern French movies that have made it to the USA. The dialog and titles (for deaf French speakers) usually match exactly.

        For Spanish try paying close attention to the spoken language that is often used for public announcements. Our streetcars repeat every announcement like station stops and cross connections in Spanish. Also try using the auto checkout in grocery stores and ATMs in Spanish.

        You could actually try talking to people who are speaking the language that you are trying to learn. This has mixed results in real world contacts. Also try using the web translators like Systran or even the excreteable BabbleFish. Libraries have foreign language sections. Often popular titles are available translated into Spanish and sometimes French. Harry Potter and Steven King novels are often available in both English and Spanish, but in different sections of the library. There used to be books with French (and German) written on the left page and the parallel English text on the right page.

        The library may have language DVDs or CDs that can be ripped and copied quickly. If you can rip an entire CD of language dialog in a minute or less, then why not just grab five or six of them. Polish, Portugese, Thai, Japanese, Urdu... Why not?

        If you take public transportation, try the game of evesdropping (very discretely) on people speaking foreign languages and trying to determine what language they are actually speaking. I've quietly listened to people from Mexico and realized that they weren't speaking any language that remotely resembled Spanish. When I asked my Hispanic friend (soy estan gringo) about this, she said that they probably were speaking Mayan or some pre-Columbian Indian language that survived in the distant rural villages of Central Mexico. You will eventually be able to tell Spanish from Brazilian, Japanese from Chinese, Polish from Russian, and even if you become a bus-language master, the differences between the various SouthEast Asian languages like Lao and Vietnamese.

        Anyway, I'm rambling... ironically... lots of language..so little to say.