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Self-Tuning Electric Guitar

avirrey writes "The Technology Review has an interesting article on a Gibson Self-Tuning Guitar. Purist argue that you shouldn't need a guitar that self-tunes. Others argue that this will allow an artist to change tuning with one 'favorite' guitar, instead of having to swap out between songs." Ok I know what I think- freakin' sweet. Only technology will guarantee my sucking on the electric will at least be reasonably in-tune suckiness. Dear Gibson, Slashdot really needs to review your guitar. We'll need several review units and we lost your return address.

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  1. Technical review... by xtracto · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...Know what I think- freakin' sweet. Only technology will guarantee my sucking on the electric will at least be reasonably in-tune suckiness. Dear Gibson, Slashdot really needs to review your guitar. We'll need several review units and we lost your return address..."

    Yeah, and since slashdot is made by its community, we will need 900,000 test units =o) (sorry 900000+ id noobs =oP no testing for you)

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    1. Re:Technical review... by my+$anity++0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Make that a flat million.

    2. Re:Technical review... by Swampash · · Score: 5, Funny

      No vibrato bridge. Less scale length than a Strat. Lame.

    3. Re:Technical review... by irtza · · Score: 4, Funny

      YES, 893217 makes the cut. Now, for me to practice my current great hit: random noise 44, soon to be followed by random noise 45. For those that missed random noise 1-43, I am afraid you will never get that opportunity as they're kind of hard to repeat... and I am not exactly sure how they go anymore.

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    4. Re:Technical review... by IconBasedIdea · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its a Gibson, not a Fender. Its always gonna be a shorter scale neck, and almost always without vibrato.

    5. Re:Technical review... by Swampash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, I had no idea. What a coincidence then that I chose exactly those two things to illustrate a point of difference between a Gibson and a Strat. I mean, holy cow, what's the chance of me doing that? It's just... freakish.

    6. Re:Technical review... by zeromorph · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok stop it. Emacs/vi and GPL/BSD are bad enough if you go on like this we will also have a Fender/Gibson flamewar. What's next Beatles/Rolling Stones?

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    7. Re:Technical review... by lastchance_000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I want a Tom Servo to turn my tuning pegs.

      That would be fricken' awesome.

      He could comment on my playing, as well.

    8. Re:Technical review... by killproc · · Score: 4, Informative



      Actually, you should RTFA. The Gibson solution "PHYSICALLY" tunes the strings, not virtually like the Line 6.

      The new Fender VG Strat has a virtual mode that acts as you describe.

      From all the press, this new Gibson is the real deal.

      Hopefully my wife will "approve" another "investment".

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    9. Re:Technical review... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like Microsoft Clippy.

      "It looks like you're trying to play a D chord! Would you like to:

      • Play a D Chord
      • Play the chord as-is
      • Look up chord fingerings in the online help
    10. Re:Technical review... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tube amps are better than solid state amps.

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  2. determinism finally! by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a software engineer, the one thing I hate about playing the guitar is that every time I pick it up I have to tune it, otherwise I won't get the same results as I did last time I sat down to strum. Is a little determinism too much to ask?

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    1. Re:determinism finally! by xtracto · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a software engineer, the one thing I hate about playing the guitar is that every time I pick it up I have to tune it, otherwise I won't get the same results as I did last time I sat down to strum. Is a little determinism too much to ask?

      I do not know about the physics of that stuff, but I play guitar as a hobby (classical, flamenco and heavy metal [acoustic and electric) and from what I know, the amount of tunning you have to do depends on the material of the guitar (at least for acoustic) and the quality of the strings. Also, one of the things they told you to do after you just replaced a string is to stretch it a lot and loosen it to make it expand all the material has to expand, otherwise you will tune it but as the new string expands, you will have to tune it again in five minutes.

      I think this would be more appropriate for the likes of Joe Satriani or Steve Vai when in a concert they use a different tuning for some different songs... but I still like it more if they showcase different kinds of guitars and maybe it might be useful when/if they have to change tuning "on the fly".. but of course, it might not be possible to re-tune the guitar as fast as it is needed...

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    2. Re:determinism finally! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, I always get the same results when I strum a guitar -- ear-destroying crap.

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    3. Re:determinism finally! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think this would be more appropriate for the likes of Joe Satriani or Steve Vai when in a concert they use a different tuning for some different songs...

      I don't think it would, unless all the alternate tunings are very similar to each other.

      Getting the best sound out of a guitar using a specific tuning is not only a function of the tension on each string, but also the gauge and wrap of the strings. Take a guitar in normal EADGBE with medium-gauge strings and tune the bottom string down a step to D, and it'll still sound pretty close to ideal; but tune everything down a fourth to BEADF#B, and the sound will be thin and lifeless. You'll need to switch to heavier strings to play with that dropped tuning.

      Besides which, half of the fun of a Steve Vai show is to check out all the different guitar models he has. There's his standard Jem, and there's the one with the brilliant blue LEDs inlaid into the fret markers, and there's the enormous heart-shaped guitar with three necks...

    4. Re:determinism finally! by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If this system is fast enough, it could re-tune between each strum so you can play an entire song on nothing but open chords!

    5. Re:determinism finally! by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 4, Informative

      WARNING: Do not strum guitar with remaining fingers.

    6. Re:determinism finally! by Mantaar · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll make up an analogy that you, Mr. Software Engineer, should be able to understand:

      Self-tuning guitars are like IDEs. They can make it easier for the professional, but more often than not they don't.
      Let's explain this a bit:
      When I started to play the one most important thing I had to learn was to be able to tune my freakin' bass. While tuning, you will learn how your instrument sounds when it's OK and well-tuned and you'll learn to immediately recognize when it's mis-tuned and sounding strange. That knowledge can and will save your ass on stage and during rehearsal. A good novice's etude is the following: completely de-tune your instrument and then tune it without using an electrical tuner. Do that at least twice a week and in about half a year you'll be able to tune that thing alright, even if your shiny electric box is currently out of order. A few strings will probably go plunck! and take direction towards your face, but that's OK, because a scarred face and an empty purse are a musician's trademark. What is more important though is the fact that you'll have your ears trained - your hearing will have improved a real freaking lot!

      People who can't tune their instrument can't play it. Period. (I'm talking mostly about string/fret/fretless instruments here). And if you think you have to tune your instrument too often that's because your instrument sucks. Otoh, if you can't tune it properly, you suck, as a musician.

      That said, this can really be an interesting choice for a professional, as it's really a nuisance to have to tune your guitar on stage (or during rehearsals). This is not intended to make your practicing at home easier, but to get rid of one of the big problems that happen when some 3000+ W of electromagnetic radiation are frying you and your instrument on stage. Thus, if you really intend to become a competent player, you'll not use this unless forced to. Because the next time you sit around the camp fire, you'll get laughed at by the girls for not being able to properly tune that random piece of wood you've found somewhere. You see, just the same as with IDEs. If you intend to learn a language, better first learn to use a plain text editor and a shell, so you'll get behind the basic stuff. Getting to know your instrument is The Basic Stuff and one good method of achieving this goal is to tune your guitar on a regular basis. When you sit down to start practicing (or playing), the very first thing you do is check your strings and tune them! Consider this to be just another aspect of everyday life with your guitar.

      My personal opinion about this new technology is: I don't need that, mostly because my main instrument is a six-string fretless bass. But I fear many kids will rush into the store and learn to play on them - while completely ignoring everything I've said above. I hope Gibson will make those things reasonably expensive so that only professionals would consider buying one. The amount of horribly mistuned kids on stage is already way too high! (And now don't come and say: but this guitar will prevent mis-tuning on stage in the first place! No, it is not going to, as playing in tune does not only rely on your instrument to be tuned. You have to be able to fret your strings properly and do the one thing that's pretty much most distinctive about guitarists: bending. Here, no LED-featured toy will help you.)

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    7. Re:determinism finally! by Cecil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The specific (and nearly impossible to perfectly replicate) sound that the vibrating strings make is the reason to play a guitar. Get rid of that and you might as well just use a synthesizer instead.

    8. Re:determinism finally! by yurnotsoeviltwin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The sound coming from the strings would be different, and the feel of the fretboard wouldn't be right. If my guitar is significantly out of tune, I can tell just from the feel of the string tension. If it gets bad enough, the strings rattle against the frets. A strum on a guitar is not just a set of six pure tones, it's a complex and beautiful thing.

    9. Re:determinism finally! by adminstring · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the guitar is in tune with itself, an internal computer can shift pitches to give alternate tunings. That's what the Line6 Variax does. The problem is that if the guitar isn't in tune with itself, how does the guitar computer know if you are out of tune, or if you're just bending a string? You could run a guitar through an Antares Auto-Tune, but then when you bent a string, it would jump from one pitch to the next like a piano, and you'd lose a lot of the guitar's expressiveness for soloing.

      The good thing about the Gibson is that you only pull on the knob when you have strummed the open strings, so the guitar knows that no notes are being bent... it knows what the pitches should be when you strum open strings, so it has no problem tuning it to those pitches.

      Your idea could be implemented if, like on the Gibson, there were a button to let the guitar know it was in "tuning mode." When the button was pressed, the guitar would listen to see how out of tune it was, then when the button was released, the pitch-correction computer inside could change the pitch of each string by exactly the right amount to bring the guitar's output into tune, although the strings themselves would still be out of tune, and you could still bend them all you want without having the pitch "snap" to the next note like a vocal that has been auto-tuned.

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  3. Silly technological overkill by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Informative

    It takes me (and most other guitarists) a few seconds to tune a guitar.

    It's a pleasant, harmless little ritual, and somewhat calming before you play a gig.

    This is a silly and expensive gizmo, IMO.

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    1. Re:Silly technological overkill by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed, but there are five situations where it could be useful, IMHO:

      • Fast tuning changes mid-song (need to be in drop-D for a stretch).
      • If you left it on, the ability to instantly correct minor variations in pitch would make setting up the guitar almost a non-issue instead of a pain.
      • If you can make it cheap enough, it wouldn't matter if you didn't let the neck cure long enough (causing the axe to get out of tune constantly) so long as the hardware could keep up, so the crap guitars could get a lot better and/or the good guitars could start to really suck without anyone noticing.
      • It would be great when you're playing with four other guitar players and nobody seems to agree on the pitch.
      • Twelve string.
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  4. I bet this will be a tough sell by Rizzle_p_Mizzle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that this looks like a super-neato piece of kit, but I would be willing to bet it will have trouble selling because: 1. It's one more thing that might break on stage. 2. Guitarist love tradition and tend to resist change. How long has the Les Paul been in production in its current form? Something like 60 years. The most revered amps are point-to-point wired vacuum tube models. Most people who are willing to drop this kind of coin on guitar gear would probably go for some aged custom model before they went for this. I'm not saying it's not useful, just that I would be surprised by significant commercial success.

  5. I thought about doing that once. by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought about designing a self-tuning instrument once, but for piano, where the tuning process is a lot more painful. It would consist of basically a high speed camera and a strobe light that could be tuned to any frequency. For each piano pitch, it would hit the string, start the strobe, and compare the position on consecutive beats like a strobotuner, adjusting until it wasn't moving. Either that or just use a much faster high speed camera and skip the strobe light. The point is that by using optics instead of resonance, you could accurately discern an individual string's fundamental frequency without the need to stop down the remaining strings. Kind of what they did with piezo pickups, but a heck of a lot closer together. :-)

    The whole thing could be built into a block that snapped down onto the three pins on a given model of piano and took advantage of the fact that there's more than one of them so that it wouldn't have to mount to anything else. With the single bass strings, you'd have to tune them by hand, but they're the easy strings.

    Never built it. Never cared enough, never had time, never thought it would sell, etc.

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  6. I already have a tuner... by Landshark17 · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I want is an amp that goes up to 11.

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  7. Tuning a guitar is a ridiculous notion by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How to play Guitar by David [Jad] Fair

    I taught myself to play guitar. It's incredibly easy when you understand the science of it. The skinny strings play the high sounds, and the fat strings play the low sounds. If you put your finger on the string father out by the tuning end it makes a lower sound. If you want to play fast move your hand fast and if you want to play slower move your hand slower. That's all there is to it. You can learn the names of notes and how to make chords that other people use, but that's pretty limiting. Even if you took a few years and learned all the chords you'd still have a limited number of options. If you ignore the chords your options are infinite and you can master guitar playing in one day.

    Traditionally, guitars have a fat string on the top and they get skinnier and skinnier as they go down. But he thing to remember is it's your guitar and you can put whatever you want on it. I like to put six different sized strings on it because that gives the most variety, but my brother used to put all of the same thickness on so he wouldn't have so much to worry about. What ever string he hit had to be the right one because they were all the same.

    Tuning the guitar is kind of a ridiculous notion. If you have to wind the tuning pegs to just a certain place, that implies that every other place would be wrong. But that absurd. How could it be wrong? It's your guitar and you're the one playing it. It's completely up to you to decide hoe it should sound. In fact I don't tune by the sound at all. I wind the strings until they're all about the same tightness. I highly recommend electric guitars for a couple of reasons. First of all they don't depend on body resonating for the sound so it doesn't matter if you paint them. As also, if you put all the knobs on your amplifier on 10 you can get a much higher reaction to effort ratio with an electric guitar than you can with an acoustic. Just a tiny tap on the strings can rattle your windows, and when you slam the strings, with your amp on 10, you can strip the paint off the walls.

    The first guitar I bought was a Silvertone. Later I bought a Fender Telecaster, but it really doesn't matter what kind you buy as long as the tuning pegs are on the end of the neck where they belong. A few years back someone came out with a guitar that tunes at the other end. I've never tried one. I guess they sound alright but they look ridiculous and I imagine you'd feel pretty foolish holding one. That would affect your playing. The idea isn't to feel foolish. The idea is to put a pick in one hand and a guitar in the other and with a tiny movement rule the world.

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  8. Strangely... by Belgand · · Score: 4, Funny

    In America, self-tuning guitar tunes itself. In Soviet Russia, self-tuning guitar is tuned by you!

  9. meh, Modeling Guitars are Much Nerdier! by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 3, Informative

    My friend recently got a Variax modeling guitar and I got to play it the other day. It looks like a really basic electric, but it has individual pickups for each string and a really realistic synth computer inside that models all kinds of guitars and other stringed instruments. And this ain't no crappy MIDI guitar, it responds naturally to bends, harmonics, etc. It can also do on-the-fly alternate tunings, but without actually changing the physical tuning! It feels so weird playing an electric guitar with a whammy bar and the sound of a banjo coming out.

    Then he set it up running into a pitch tracker outputting a sine wave, fed into a Marshal stack simulator. Try to beat that signal path!