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Using Social Networking Tools to Write a Book

WikiTiki writes "Safari Books Online has a new interview with Barry Libert, one of the authors of 'We are Smarter Than Me: How to Unleash the Power of Crowds in Your Business.' Barry and his coauthors decided to create a wiki and invite the community to help build this book which aims to give advice on using social networking tools like blogs and wikis to businesses. Barry has some interesting comments about both the challenges and payoffs in using social networking tools to create a book about social networking tools."

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  1. Using social networking to whitewash a fence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tom gave up the brush with reluctance in his face, but alacrity in his heart. And while the late steamer Big Missouri worked and sweated in the sun, the retired artist sat on a barrel in the shade close by, dangled his legs, munched his apple, and planned the slaughter of more innocents. There was no lack of material; boys happened along every little while; they came to jeer, but remained to whitewash. By the time Ben was fagged out, Tom had traded the next chance to Billy Fisher for a kite, in good repair; and when he played out, Johnny Miller bought in for a dead rat and a string to swing it with - and so on, and so on, hour after hour. And when the middle of the afternoon came, from being a poor poverty-stricken boy in the morning, Tom was literally rolling in wealth. He had besides the things before mentioned, twelve marbles,part of a jews-harp, a piece of blue bottle-glass to look through, a spool cannon, a key that wouldn't unlock anything, a fragment of chalk, a glass stopper of a decanter, a tin soldier, a couple of tadpoles, six fire-crackers, a kitten with only one eye, a brass door-knob, a dog-collar - but no dog - the handle of a knife, four pieces of orange-peel, and a dilapidated old window sash.

    He had had a nice, good, idle time all the while - plenty of company - and the fence had three coats of whitewash on it! If he hadn't run out of whitewash he would have bankrupted every boy in the village.

    Tom said to himself that it was not such a hollow world, after all. He had discovered a great law of human action, without knowing it - namely, that in order to make a man or a boy covet a thing, it is only necessary to make the thing difficult to attain. If he had been a great and wise philosopher, like the writer of this book, he would now have comprehended that Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do, and that Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do. And this would help him to understand why constructing artificial flowers or performing on a tread-mill is work, while rolling ten-pins or climbing Mont Blanc is only amusement. There are wealthy gentlemen in England who drive four-horse passenger-coaches twenty or thirty miles on a daily line, in the summer, because the privilege costs them considerable money; but if they were offered wages for the service, that would turn it into work and then they would resign.

    The boy mused awhile over the substantial change which had taken place in his worldly circumstances, and then wended toward headquarters to report.

    -- Mark Twain

  2. read it by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Barry and his coauthors decided to create a wiki and invite the community to help build this book

    I think I've seen his book. There's a 600 page chapter that consists solely of links to online pharmacies.

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  3. Skeptical about mob rule by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to admit that I'm a bit skeptical about the premise that bringing more people into a problem will somehow make it better. Usually, the biggest disasters that have befallen mankind have had a committee in it somewhere, and a lot of this collaboration stuff really just is a way of even forming bigger committees. At some point, anything genuinely great happens because an individual groks the whole thing and jumps to the center of the stage with an answer. Sure, Linux has a bunch of contributors, and that's cool, but if you look in a bit more closely, it's really a federation of projects driven by a bunch of maniacal owners and visionaries.

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  4. Did you know... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that the amount of social networking elephants has tripled in the past six months?

  5. Actually, he's wrong by nagora · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "We" is only smarter than "me" if "I" am below average intelligence or "we" are very small in number. A chess grandmaster would easily beat the whole of /. if we were voting for our moves. In fact the only way to make "we" smart enough to win such a game would be to have another grandmaster vetoing the choices. In which case, what does he need us for?

    TWW

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    1. Re:Actually, he's wrong by ZombieWomble · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interestingly, the game you describe was played, almost exactly. Kasparov played the MSN chess community, and beat them after a rather long game. The fact that it was a rather long game is less surprising when you realise that the game was in no way mob rule, but was in fact guided on what moves to vote for by four or five officially appointed chess masters. Other similar projects which lacked this fudge factor ended rather earlier, it seems.

    2. Re:Actually, he's wrong by ccalvert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It depends what you are trying to do. If you are trying to predict the outcome of the next election, for instance, polling a large number of people is more effective than asking any one expert -- unless the expert happens to be a pollster. If you trying to understand what material appeals to the widest range of readers, then asking for input from a large number of people would be a good idea. If you don't have access to a major media outlet, and you want to reach a large audience, then using social networking skills might be a good idea. Surprisingly, it appears that letting lots of people collaborate on a software project can work also -- so long as you have the right safe guards and project leaders in place. Of course, your point about chess is a good one, and I don't think any number of collaborators would likely create a better novel than Moby Dick. The truth is that this isn't a binary type of thing. Experts are good in some cases, and crowds are good in some cases, and sometimes both are needed.

      - Charlie

    3. Re:Actually, he's wrong by Procasinator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In which case, what does he need us for?

      Obviously, he would need us to say the funny things! Chess grandmasters are notorious for be unfunny!

      I claim "You sunk my battleship" everytime we lose a piece. So everyone else, get your own jokes!

    4. Re:Actually, he's wrong by vertinox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A chess grandmaster would easily beat the whole of /. if we were voting for our moves. In fact the only way to make "we" smart enough to win such a game would be to have another grandmaster vetoing the choices.

      Chess is an example of linear application. You can only make one choice at a time. Its easy to scale to one person or computer.

      This is why a computer can beat Gary and a group of humans can't. Now if the task is parallel then many persons can help.

      Take your old animation houses for Disney. It doesn't help them that they have the next Leonardo Da Vinci on staff if he can only draw 100 frames of animation per hour. They need a team of 100 persons working independently to create their feature film in a reasonable amount of time.

      I suppose the same could apply to writing novels or any task that can have multiple tasks completed at the same time.

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  6. Brilliant! by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Announce book topic showing the power of crowds, invite others to write your book for you to prove the thesis
    2. Sit back, sip iced tea.
    3. Profit.

    Underpants gnomes ain't got shit on this guy.

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  7. Mass Authoring is a steaming pile by water-and-sewer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorry for the inflammatory subject line, but I am the author of a best selling travel guidebook to Nicaragua http://www.gotonicaragua.com/. Travel guidebooks are one area that are the frequent subject of ill-fated "let's do a travel wiki" ideas that immediately turn into steaming piles of horse crap. Here's why: the crowds are stupid; many can't write, and everyone's pushing an agenda.

    The reason why travel guidebooks continue to sell in the Internet age is because the Internet is a huge, unfettered mixing bowl of ignorance. People are still willing to turn to professional writers and editors to sort through all the horse crap and turn it into something concise, concrete, and helpful. I too would prefer to pay $17 for a book for my next trip to Morocco than trawl through the Internet forums trying to separate fact from fiction from propaganda.

    These travel wikis come and go, but they all bear the same characteristics: huge number of Google ads, a couple of lame wiki posts that two or more prolific authors debate back and forth without conclusion, and huge chunks of background material, insight, or commentary. The masses can't produce that, and anyone who's ever participated in a corporate meeting where 7 people need to come to a conclusion about something they differ in opinion about, knows why.

    There's a place for this kind of approach, but mass authoring as I've seen it done, only works if one person is the lead author and has near dictatorial privileges and the diplomacy and savvy to use that power wisely. If you let the madhouse run the party, you get a madhouse. And that's why people like me can still earn the big bucks selling travel information to a place like Nicaragua in the Internet age.

    By the way, I helped introduce Linux to Nicaragua. That ought to be worth something on Slashdot! http://therandymon.com/content/view/68/98/.

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    1. Re:Mass Authoring is a steaming pile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I beg to differ, Wikitravel.org is doing pretty fine without any Google ads and has loads of well-written guides for locations around the world. In fact, during my last summer's round trip around Europe, I found it to be more accurate and up-to-date in many listings than the few years old travel guide I had with me. I'm now a semi-frequent contributor to the site myself and definitely see a future for sites like Wikitravel which will always feature fresher content than their printed "competitors".

    2. Re:Mass Authoring is a steaming pile by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've written a series of three articles (the first two of which ran on slashdot) about free books. The first article (from 2000) discusses the fact that a lot of free books were getting written, but almost none of them by open collaborations with lots of people in them (but almost none != zero). The third one (from 2005) discusses wikibooks, which has utterly failed at the group authoring model for college textbooks (which was its initially stated goal), but has done well with some other genres, such as game guides.

  8. No go by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was tried on the C2 wiki (the first web wiki, actually), at least as a "story", and it was a disaster. Part of the problem was that everybody had a different idea of the kind and style of book it would be. It was hurky jurky, going from one style to another.

    In one paragraph it may go into detail about the beauty of the main love interest of the story, and then in the next paragraph a meteor smashes into her, killing her.

    The next few chaptures talk about how the detective tries to prove that the meteor was a man-made conspiracy. Then somebody made the detective part of the conspiracy, which triggered a fight over whether it should really be a nested house-of-mirrors novel or not. The sci-fi nuts and the mystery nuts got into a fat holy war.

    Then somebody changed the meteor into a plane-crash to make it more "normal", but didn't bother to change all the references to the meteor and astronomer consultants.

    It is kind of like improv Jazz: fun to play, but not always fun to listen to.

  9. Naked Came The Stranger, etc. by Scarbo27 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does no one remember the 1969 novel "Naked Came The Stranger?" This was an early attempt of what it looks like Barry is trying to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Came_the_Stranger A similar conceit was seen in the piano/orchestra pieces "The Yellow River Concerto," composed by a Maoist collective of Chinese composers. I don't want to spoil it for you, but it sucked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River_Concerto As far as I can tell the only masterpiece ever created by a committee is The King James Bible.