At the same time, these are market segments. I know you allowed for this, but it's like you don't see the importance.
Secondly, there are segments beyond genres. Some people want cheap and quick games (ala the iPhone). The actual genre of the game is irrelevant, it's the novelty of these games.
To say people don't buy games depending on there need investment is also ridiculous. People might not think to themselves 'hmmm, i like short, easy to complete games. so, i should go for that segment. let me see, what games are out in that segment nowadays' but subconsciously they will go for these games: that's why games on iPhone, DS, Wii, etc have become some popular.
Motion control, 3D games, etc. These are all segments.
There more to the video game market to genres - you are the one being foolish.
The attacker can get full control over the remote computer.
The exploit code is the least significant part of this. Any exploit code could be used. If the user needed to escalate privileges for instance then another vulnerability might be attacked. But who cares: the point is the presenter is vulnerable, and critically so. What has leet code got do with anything?
From my reading, Project Natal has technology in place to not get "confused by the dog walking in front of the TV again."
Or in the very least has access to software to detect certain events after acquiring 3DV Systems. Can't find the reference at the moment, but I wouldn't completely underestimate Microsoft here.
I would think the Xbox 360 has serial numbers. Buying from a game store, you might be lucky and they won't check (probably only would if the process is automated).
Of course statistics are only a sampling of reality, my only point is that the average Male (and Female, but Males on average make more) in Queensland will probably make 1.5 million in total earnings during his lifetime. Of course the unemployed and the high-makers effect the likelihood.
Obviously big outliers can cause problems, but I would hope a Government commissioned study would have a larger sample size than in your fictional example.
The average wage in Queensland is $61,464 (figures from around 2009). So, the average person would earn that in his lifetime (around 25 years working).
Of course, I don't what he is earning, but he is more likely to make that much in a life then not, assuming people on average work for 25+ years (fair enough assumption).
Mate, I wasn't trying to 'put me in my place (in your view[or others])' (why the quotes?), I'm just surfing the net and taking the time every so often to chime in on discussions. We are barely discussing something of critical importance here.
I just found your level of smugness and bad comprehension funny. As long as we both get laughs, it's been a good day.
No more replies anyhow, so good bye. You live up to your name too much: I won't be able to get rid of ya. Enjoy your day/night/whatever.
Your explanation still fails, since steam ala valve is based in the U.S. if they charge 50 euros they are actually making more money, off of people overseas, then domestic people, but nice try.
Which is obvious, and doesn't invalidate his argument at all. He point is that they pretend it is $1 to every €1. That people paying in EU are paying more then follows.
He called it the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro). It might not have been obvious to you, but he meant that is how many US products (particularly electronics and software), not how the current currency rate is.
It's not about you being wrong about the price difference, it is about you being wrong about the OP. You are the one that can't keep up.
You should copy and paste your previous reply for future use, instead of arguing yourself down to -1, Troll. And if you gonna act smug, make sure you don't cause yourself a/facepalm moment.
You are getting completely wrong, which we all do from time to time, but your smugness just makes you look stupid.
The OPs point is that if something is $50 in the US, it will probably be €50 in the EU. So, they ignore the currency rate, and charge as *if* $1 = €1, when in reality, we are paying more.
The absence of a trim method is not a DOM problem: I should be a method available on String.
As for the lack of this consistency, this is due how Javascript scopes references to methods. Being able to change this behaviour can be handy at times, but often not the expected behaviour.
Oh, I understand. You jumped straight into a thread without understanding what it is about.
You try to discredit me through attacking my character, instead of attacking my premise. I don't think you even understand my premise.
I never suggested there was less malware for Windows than OS X (cause obviously Windows is littered with it). I never suggested to ignore bugs (where did you get this from?). All I suggested was that Windows Vista/7 has many security features built in that Mac OS X does not. And it is of my opinion, for example, a person surfing with IE8 in Vista/7 is more secure than that of a person surfing Safari on OS X. However, I still think you are more likely going to be targeted on a Windows platform than an Apple one - so while the security of product might be better or on par with Mac OS X, it will be more likely of the 2 to have malware.
Being a target does not make a product less secure, but rather makes security problems more likely to arise.
I do think it's a baseless and obviously biased claim when people say Mac OS X security is fantastic, and in the same breath say Windows is so far behind in this department. This people are usually Mac fanboy's or M$ bashers.
If you read more you'll find that this isn't the default setting, so "out of the box" this doesn't happen. So yeah, you're talking BS once again.
Do you understand what this bug does? It causes an infinite loop. It's a DoS. A silly one to let creep into the system, but not the most critical of problems.
Attacks will be most limited to those within the LAN (as having 139 or 445 accessible outside of the network would be strange).
Is this what your argument has descended too? Point out bugs? Do I have a good refute if I show some silly bugs from Mac OS X.
No doubt it does, but you haven't proven anything. You are trying to debase my character, rather than talk about the facts between the 2 platforms.
ASLR is not exactly new (implementations haven't existed since 2001) and I never suggested that it was the be-all of security. It's another layer - but a good one to have on a system.
ASLR has been enabled by default in the linux kernel for a while, and has been in Windows since Vista.
Mac OS X has a rather broken implementation that is practically useless. They are not the first ones to have a faulty implementation, but instead of addressing it they decided to ignore it.
If you don't see how ASLR is important I can't really convince otherwise. Again, it's not the end-all, but it does create a large stumble block for reliable execution of memory corruption bugs.
I know you know you haven't got much to say due to the lack of anything concrete to say:
If you know what you were talking about you would know IT TAKES A LOT MORE than playing about with memory to make a system secure and the MS systems do not do very well in those areas - thus a very silly lie.
Care to expand on the emphasis? Or are you talking out of your ass. Can you show me how Windows is doing less in these "areas" than Mac OS X, or are you just another fan boy. I have shown where Windows (and other various other operating systems) have a security layer implemented that Mac OS X hasn't. Show me the opposite - where Mac OS X has implemented things that Windows hasn't. I'm guessing you will come back with an unfounded claim about quality (or not come back at all).
Don't get me wrong, there are lot of things I like about OS X (having a decent terminal for one). But I stand by with my disagreement that Mac OS X is inherently more secure platform than new versions of Windows out of the box.
My point is that a remote executable vulnerability on Windows 7/Vista is harder to pull of then on Mac.
I suggest reading about malware and you will understand that there was no point to "debate", just a very silly lie on your part.
Where is my lie?
Your cut and pasted technobabble is relevant in other places but has nothing to do with what you are attempting to make it mean.
Where did I do this. None of what I said was technobabble. It's well documented.
I'd love for you to point out my mistakes, maybe I'll learn something. Be better than condescending reply that really has no substance, and means nothing.
You said that the Mac has no viruses because of low market share. Safari obviously has a correspondintly low market share, thus it must have less vulnerabilities per your own logic. Either that or your logic on this topic is WRONG.
What does that even mean? When did I say anything about the number of vulnerabilities? For all I know IE8 has 10 times that of Safari. What I am saying is that if IE8 get hacked, say buffer overflow, on Windows Vista/7 an attacker is less likely to be able to run shellcode - whether it's return to libc or to their own shellcode - because the locations of these things are randomised (ASLR).
If, however, on Safari I get a buffer overflow I can more easily get the hooks because there is no randomisation of address space layout.
Learn about computer architecture, and common vulnerability types and exploitation techniques.
Second, "these would have allowed worms". NO. You don't get a free pass on this FUD. They either did or did not allow worms. No theoretical "would have".
Okay, many of them did allow worms. The vulnerabilities that allowed for execution of arbitrary code allowed worms.
If you want to learn more, do some reading. I am not addressing you anymore. You didn't even try to debate the point, you just sprouted non-sense.
The fact that OS X has never had a virus or worm (don't know how true this is) doesn't necessary show the platform is secure.
It well know that the scale of market share of Windows VS OS X more than tilts towards Windows. This means, as attacker, Windows is the most profitable to target. Hence we see more exploits.
It's like if I owned one house in Harlem and the other in Luxembourg. The house in Harlem would more than likely being broken into quicker than the on in Luxembourg. This is external to the houses: it's the environment outside of it.
Botnets are not only comprised mostly of Windows machines running IE
Safari has had plenty of bugs (if we are comparing browsers too), and these would have allowed Worms quite easily.
Could you tell me, how many bugs can you find for IE8 that are being *exploited* on Vista or Windows 7? There was one pre-release (in IE8 beta). Keyword is exploited here, because thanks to ASLR, the vulnerabilties that are being found and exploited on XP are notoriously difficult to exploit on Vista/7.
As for the 80% of virues. How about 8 out of 10 tested. And let's not forget this viruses were just put on the system, which usually come by other means (usually browser exploits - which are covered better in Windows Vista/7 with ASLR than Mac).
ASLR, as well as many other security initiatives, go a long way to protect Vista/7 users from vulnerabilties within Windows itself and 3rd party products that support it. Mac OS X is one of the few platforms that haven't implemented this.
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Not good for Linux.
I wonder if there is a feedback loop back to the distributor/maintainers in these ventures? It will
At the same time, these are market segments. I know you allowed for this, but it's like you don't see the importance.
Secondly, there are segments beyond genres. Some people want cheap and quick games (ala the iPhone). The actual genre of the game is irrelevant, it's the novelty of these games.
To say people don't buy games depending on there need investment is also ridiculous. People might not think to themselves 'hmmm, i like short, easy to complete games. so, i should go for that segment. let me see, what games are out in that segment nowadays' but subconsciously they will go for these games: that's why games on iPhone, DS, Wii, etc have become some popular.
Motion control, 3D games, etc. These are all segments.
There more to the video game market to genres - you are the one being foolish.
And how is this lame, or only a nuisance?
The attacker can get full control over the remote computer.
The exploit code is the least significant part of this. Any exploit code could be used. If the user needed to escalate privileges for instance then another vulnerability might be attacked. But who cares: the point is the presenter is vulnerable, and critically so. What has leet code got do with anything?
By your BS definition.
That's like saying cooking is only cooking when you produce all ingredients from the seed, etc.
Bigs words? You're funny. The largest word he used is "specifically".
Freshmen high school would be able to understand that.
From my reading, Project Natal has technology in place to not get "confused by the dog walking in front of the TV again."
Or in the very least has access to software to detect certain events after acquiring 3DV Systems. Can't find the reference at the moment, but I wouldn't completely underestimate Microsoft here.
Why no spaces?
I would think the Xbox 360 has serial numbers. Buying from a game store, you might be lucky and they won't check (probably only would if the process is automated).
But surely Microsoft themselves would.
Of course statistics are only a sampling of reality, my only point is that the average Male (and Female, but Males on average make more) in Queensland will probably make 1.5 million in total earnings during his lifetime. Of course the unemployed and the high-makers effect the likelihood.
Obviously big outliers can cause problems, but I would hope a Government commissioned study would have a larger sample size than in your fictional example.
The average wage in Queensland is $61,464 (figures from around 2009). So, the average person would earn that in his lifetime (around 25 years working).
Of course, I don't what he is earning, but he is more likely to make that much in a life then not, assuming people on average work for 25+ years (fair enough assumption).
In US$, this would be closer to 1.3 million.
I would think the man being dead and all would have damped his enthusiasm anyway.
Stop hiring Rajesh FFS!
Mate, I wasn't trying to 'put me in my place (in your view[or others])' (why the quotes?), I'm just surfing the net and taking the time every so often to chime in on discussions. We are barely discussing something of critical importance here.
I just found your level of smugness and bad comprehension funny. As long as we both get laughs, it's been a good day.
No more replies anyhow, so good bye. You live up to your name too much: I won't be able to get rid of ya. Enjoy your day/night/whatever.
No, you came back with the retort:
Which is obvious, and doesn't invalidate his argument at all. He point is that they pretend it is $1 to every €1. That people paying in EU are paying more then follows.
He called it the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro). It might not have been obvious to you, but he meant that is how many US products (particularly electronics and software), not how the current currency rate is.
It's not about you being wrong about the price difference, it is about you being wrong about the OP. You are the one that can't keep up.
You should copy and paste your previous reply for future use, instead of arguing yourself down to -1, Troll. And if you gonna act smug, make sure you don't cause yourself a /facepalm moment.
You are getting completely wrong, which we all do from time to time, but your smugness just makes you look stupid.
The OPs point is that if something is $50 in the US, it will probably be €50 in the EU. So, they ignore the currency rate, and charge as *if* $1 = €1, when in reality, we are paying more.
In otherwords:
Is the OPs point!
The absence of a trim method is not a DOM problem: I should be a method available on String.
As for the lack of this consistency, this is due how Javascript scopes references to methods. Being able to change this behaviour can be handy at times, but often not the expected behaviour.
Read http://www.alistapart.com/articles/getoutbindingsituations/ to see how apply/call can help set-up the correct binding for this and a method.
JavaScript behaves this way to support prototypal inheritance.
Go to Options and change Comment Post Mode to Plain Old Text.
That will take care of the newlines (inserting <br /> tags for newlines).
Oh, I understand. You jumped straight into a thread without understanding what it is about.
You try to discredit me through attacking my character, instead of attacking my premise. I don't think you even understand my premise.
I never suggested there was less malware for Windows than OS X (cause obviously Windows is littered with it). I never suggested to ignore bugs (where did you get this from?). All I suggested was that Windows Vista/7 has many security features built in that Mac OS X does not. And it is of my opinion, for example, a person surfing with IE8 in Vista/7 is more secure than that of a person surfing Safari on OS X. However, I still think you are more likely going to be targeted on a Windows platform than an Apple one - so while the security of product might be better or on par with Mac OS X, it will be more likely of the 2 to have malware.
Being a target does not make a product less secure, but rather makes security problems more likely to arise.
I do think it's a baseless and obviously biased claim when people say Mac OS X security is fantastic, and in the same breath say Windows is so far behind in this department. This people are usually Mac fanboy's or M$ bashers.
You, I think, are just an idiot.
If you read more you'll find that this isn't the default setting, so "out of the box" this doesn't happen. So yeah, you're talking BS once again.
Do you understand what this bug does? It causes an infinite loop. It's a DoS. A silly one to let creep into the system, but not the most critical of problems.
Attacks will be most limited to those within the LAN (as having 139 or 445 accessible outside of the network would be strange).
Is this what your argument has descended too? Point out bugs? Do I have a good refute if I show some silly bugs from Mac OS X.
Here is an infinite loop DoS bug that existed in AFP (Apple Filing Protocol): http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0142
Probably should have been caught a lot earlier. And didn't require fuzzing/analysis to find (because it happened naturally in production).
No doubt it does, but you haven't proven anything. You are trying to debase my character, rather than talk about the facts between the 2 platforms.
ASLR is not exactly new (implementations haven't existed since 2001) and I never suggested that it was the be-all of security. It's another layer - but a good one to have on a system.
ASLR has been enabled by default in the linux kernel for a while, and has been in Windows since Vista.
Mac OS X has a rather broken implementation that is practically useless. They are not the first ones to have a faulty implementation, but instead of addressing it they decided to ignore it.
If you don't see how ASLR is important I can't really convince otherwise. Again, it's not the end-all, but it does create a large stumble block for reliable execution of memory corruption bugs.
I know you know you haven't got much to say due to the lack of anything concrete to say:
Care to expand on the emphasis? Or are you talking out of your ass. Can you show me how Windows is doing less in these "areas" than Mac OS X, or are you just another fan boy. I have shown where Windows (and other various other operating systems) have a security layer implemented that Mac OS X hasn't. Show me the opposite - where Mac OS X has implemented things that Windows hasn't. I'm guessing you will come back with an unfounded claim about quality (or not come back at all).
Don't get me wrong, there are lot of things I like about OS X (having a decent terminal for one). But I stand by with my disagreement that Mac OS X is inherently more secure platform than new versions of Windows out of the box.
I agree, but that wasn't my point, and that wasn't the OPs point.
To quote the OP:
Care to expand?
My point is that a remote executable vulnerability on Windows 7/Vista is harder to pull of then on Mac.
Where is my lie?
Where did I do this. None of what I said was technobabble. It's well documented.
I'd love for you to point out my mistakes, maybe I'll learn something. Be better than condescending reply that really has no substance, and means nothing.
What does that even mean? When did I say anything about the number of vulnerabilities? For all I know IE8 has 10 times that of Safari. What I am saying is that if IE8 get hacked, say buffer overflow, on Windows Vista/7 an attacker is less likely to be able to run shellcode - whether it's return to libc or to their own shellcode - because the locations of these things are randomised (ASLR).
If, however, on Safari I get a buffer overflow I can more easily get the hooks because there is no randomisation of address space layout.
Learn about computer architecture, and common vulnerability types and exploitation techniques.
Okay, many of them did allow worms. The vulnerabilities that allowed for execution of arbitrary code allowed worms.
If you want to learn more, do some reading. I am not addressing you anymore. You didn't even try to debate the point, you just sprouted non-sense.
Yes, no problem.
The fact that OS X has never had a virus or worm (don't know how true this is) doesn't necessary show the platform is secure.
It well know that the scale of market share of Windows VS OS X more than tilts towards Windows. This means, as attacker, Windows is the most profitable to target. Hence we see more exploits.
It's like if I owned one house in Harlem and the other in Luxembourg. The house in Harlem would more than likely being broken into quicker than the on in Luxembourg. This is external to the houses: it's the environment outside of it.
Safari has had plenty of bugs (if we are comparing browsers too), and these would have allowed Worms quite easily.
Could you tell me, how many bugs can you find for IE8 that are being *exploited* on Vista or Windows 7? There was one pre-release (in IE8 beta). Keyword is exploited here, because thanks to ASLR, the vulnerabilties that are being found and exploited on XP are notoriously difficult to exploit on Vista/7.
As for the 80% of virues. How about 8 out of 10 tested. And let's not forget this viruses were just put on the system, which usually come by other means (usually browser exploits - which are covered better in Windows Vista/7 with ASLR than Mac).
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowssecurity/archive/2009/11/06/windows-7-vulnerability-claims.aspx
ASLR, as well as many other security initiatives, go a long way to protect Vista/7 users from vulnerabilties within Windows itself and 3rd party products that support it. Mac OS X is one of the few platforms that haven't implemented this.
So, they'd have to come up with a new name for the debugger... and it probably wouldn't be half as clever!