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iTunes DRM-Free Tracks Now Same Price As DRM Tracks

jawtheshark writes "Apple has made the decision to revise the pricing of Plus songs on the iTunes Music store. Whereas previously the DRM-less tracks were more expensive than the 'normal' option (at $1.29 vs. $0.99), DRM-less tracks bought via ITMS will now be priced on the same level as DRM'd tracks. 'Apple plans to expand iTunes Plus to include certain indie music labels starting Wednesday, October 17 (or sometime this week, at least) ... This expansion won't include all independent music labels just yet, although we're optimistic that more will be included in the future. While we have no information on whether the iTunes Plus songs are selling well, we assume that the decision to drop the price is a response to the Amazon MP3 store. Amazon sells individual tracks for between 89 and 99 apiece, all without any DRM restrictions. With that in mind, it's kind of hard for Apple to compete at $1.29.'"

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  1. Hard, but not impossible by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With that in mind, it's kind of hard for Apple to compete at $1.29 Most iPod owners aren't going to bother downloading from Amazon and importing into iTunes. So Apple still could compete, but only by relying on users who don't know or care enough to switch to the alternative. Even so, this is still a good move.

    Now I have to figure out how to tell the DRM-tunes from the non-DRM tunes. It was easy when there was a price difference.
    1. Re:Hard, but not impossible by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Non-DRM songs are called "iTunes Plus", they show up in your play list with a "+" next to them. I've upgraded a few of my songs from the DRM to non-DRM versions for $.30, I wonder if they will be offering free upgrades for those who haven't upgraded already?

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    2. Re:Hard, but not impossible by Galaga88 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't even take effort to import the tracks into iTunes. The Amazon downloader automagically opens up and handles all the importing for you (at least on Windows.)

    3. Re:Hard, but not impossible by aliquis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shouldn't the naming be the other way around? Normally companies brags about how the device supports extra security features as if that was a good thing ;D

    4. Re:Hard, but not impossible by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep but it makes a big hole in the Apple/iPod ecosystem.
      Amazon has now made using a none iPod as easy or easier then an IPod.
      No DRM hoops to jump through. It just works. And it costs no more than iTunes. Add in that you can use them with you iPod it now gives Amazon a bigger potental market than Apple. Amazon can now sell to everybody that has a Music player.
      Now if the Networks will just jump on the no DRM bandwagon.

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    5. Re:Hard, but not impossible by iainl · · Score: 4, Informative

      As I understand it, they're 256kbps AAC files. Which is good, because it's a much better codec than mp3. It's also something of a myth that only iPods play them; lots of other machines, from PSPs via Zunes and Zens to Nokia mobile phones can handle the format.

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    6. Re:Hard, but not impossible by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 5, Informative

      i would hardly call AAC obscure. it has more device market penetration than WMA, that real defecation and OGG combined. even the zune plays AACs! ;)

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    7. Re:Hard, but not impossible by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not obscure, but it is more rare than MP3. Just about every device made in the last 3 years plays MP3s. Once you start counting CD players and other such devices, you'll find a lot of players that don't support AAC. Sure many portable music players support it, but not all, and very few devices that aren't portable music players support it.

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  2. I realize all of this will continue to evolve... by trudyscousin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...but for now, I'm not terribly impressed. Apple:

    - still has only EMI (and the independents) at this new rate (compared to Amazon, which also has Universal)
    - still embeds buyer information inside the files
    - is still more expensive (ten cents, granted, but still...), and
    - chose to react rather than innovate

    It's the fourth bullet point that dismays me the most.

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  3. Competition is good by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe Amazon had something to do with it, but Amazon was only trying to compete with iTunes Store. Personally I think consumers win there is competition like this.

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  4. All tracks to be 99 by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know it's nothing novel to complain about the quality of Slashdot summaries, but it really would have been nice to mention that the new price for all songs is 99. The last line in the current summary gives the impression that they were all going to be $1.29...

  5. Huh by BlowHole666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why are they selling DRM and non-DRM for the same price? Is that sort of like:

    "If you want to ride the roller coster you have to get corn holed first, or you can just get on the ride."

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    1. Re:Huh by Vokkyt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Leverage really. If they talk to a label and say that DRM doesn't sell while the label says DRM is necessary and consumers don't care, Apple can pull out comparison charts of new releases that had both DRM and DRM-free copies, and show [what I'm hoping will be] the staggering difference between the two.

    2. Re:Huh by BlowHole666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes but this does not make up for the STUPID user. Most people on Slashdot know what DRM is. The 15 year old girl who wants her hip-hop for her pink ipod will not. I think itunes needs a big ass message that pops up explaining what DRM is and have a "Yes I Want This" button and a "No Thanks" button and let people pick that way.

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  6. More important (to me at least) by Trelane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazon and Magnatune work on Linux. Or just about any OS, for that matter. And they work with any MP3 player ('cause they're, you know, MP3s).

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    1. Re:More important (to me at least) by allcar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amazon does not work well on Linux, though they do promise that a linux version of there MP3 downloader is coming. At the moment, linux users can only get single tracks, which is more costly than the whole album. I am struggling to understand the need for a specific piece of software for albums. Why not just sell albums as an archive (Zip perhaps, to be Windows friendly) of all the MP3 files? That's what Radiohead did. Also, the Amazon service is still (at least nominally) available to people with US addresses.

    2. Re:More important (to me at least) by Trelane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At the moment, linux users can only get single tracks, which is more costly than the whole album.

      Good point. I'd not realized the price discrepancy.

      Also, apparently you cannot re-download without the magic software. (can't find my source for this anymore. It was either Ars Technica or a Planet that I read.)

      Regardless, at least it works to some degree, in contrast to iTunes. And Magnatune Just Works Better. :)

      Regarding US-only: I did find this.

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    3. Re:More important (to me at least) by allcar · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I just tried a new purchase on Amazon and was rejected with the following message:

      We are sorry...
      We could not process your order because of geographical restrictions on the product which you were attempting to purchase. Please refer to the terms of use for this product to determine the geographical restrictions.
      We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. This, in spite of the fact that I have previously made purchases with a false address in CA 90210! They've obviously tightened up the rules. How depressing! No doubt, downloads will cost 1GBP, rather than 1USD, when they finally make it to the UK.
  7. Boiling RIAA by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brilliant.

    Announce the "intermediate" step of "no DRM, we'll pacify you by raising the price. X months later we'll do what we really wanted to."

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  8. Re:Nice by BlowHole666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes competition is good. I has caused apple to lower it's price to keep a few of it's customers. It also has caused some music labels to rethink how they sell music. (I know one of them is selling music online with non-DRM).

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  9. Radiohead album a factor as well? by dj42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm curious if Radiohead's Name-Your-Price album prompted the announcement, Apple thinking they could catch a bit of positive press while the anti-RIAA/DRM sentiments are flowing.

    Who knows.

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  10. Now I'm really upset by FieroEtnl · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're dropping the prices of DRM-free music? But what about us early adopters who've already bought music from them? Are they going to give us a refund since they clearly scammed us of our hard-earned money? Maybe I'll just sue Apple...

  11. Re:3... 2... 1... by faloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I might say something like "Apple has been forced to reduce pricing to compete with other online music stores after losing a major contract with Universal. Combined with the relatively closed nature of the iPod, and negative publicity about the iPhone, Apple looks like it will have to do some major adjusting in order to continue to remain dominant in a market that they helped create."

    But I'm not a pundit.

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  12. DRM digging it's own grave by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me that DRM is digging it's own grave, thanks to the immense popularity of the iPod (I heard in the US like 80% market share).

    The iPod uses DRM, but only Apple's DRM. And it can of course play unprotected songs.

    Apple does not license it's DRM to other vendor: in effect becoming the only vendor selling DRM'ed songs to 80% of the market of digital music players. The rest of the players can fight of the left-overs.

    Apple gets a lot of market power: the labels want to sell music, but only music with DRM. To reach the majority of the market, they must play together with Apple. And Apple has proven not to be very easy a business partner.

    Thus the only way the music labels can tap into that 80% of the market, without going through Apple, is by selling non-DRM'ed songs. And there is a good reason for a music label to have multiple resellers for your product: then the resellers have to compete with each other to buy their music. Which likely gives rise to higher prices for the labels.

    This way I see DRM having dug it's own grave: one DRM scheme became very popular, giving one player a very powerful virtual monopoly over online music sales. The label-mandated DRM now locks everyone in to that one player: Apple with their iTunes Music Store. And the only way to break this monopoly is to drop DRM, and that is exactly what is happening now.

    And already we see the fruits of this development: iTunes forced to lower their prices, other stores offering flexible pricing options ('priced between 89 and 99 cents' - not much of a difference but there is flexibility), and certainly this will start opening the market for more online music resellers. This can not be a bad thing.

    Getting even more off-topic: here in Hong Kong recently retail chain HMV started to sell tracks through ATM-style kiosks. Digital sales, but not online. These kiosks are in their retail outlets, offering buyers a huge collection (about half a million tracks or so; that requires quite a large brick 'n mortar store to house), and instant downloads to their digital music player. Again they use DRM: in this case Microsoft's Plays For Sure scheme. Now without DRM I'm sure HMV would have a much bigger market. I have no idea on the market share of Plays For Sure devices, though it's for sure less than half. So DRM free can instantly double one's market. If PFS devices are only 20% of the market (just a guess), they could increase their market five times just by dropping the DRM.

    I doubt the record labels will ever agree that DRM limits their sales; confirming the R in DRM stands for Restrictions. Not Rights. Restricting not only what the user can do, but restricting your own market even more in the process.

    Wouter.

  13. Let's State the Blazingly Obvious by DannyO152 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So the dinosaurs bellow in the night, pull their tracks, and now look at the shelf space for the independents: smaller, hungrier people who see opportunity in the new distribution technologies. The dinosaurs seem to have forgetten the door they left open during the three years they didn't get MTV.

    If I were Apple, I'd talk to the independents and help them start some internet radio channels and provide sponsorships so the new channels can afford the air talent and the short-term loan to Sound Exchange (who will be collecting all internet recording performance fees and then giving out to the record companies who hold the copyrights on the recordings.) People only buy what they hear and can find.

  14. Re:I realize all of this will continue to evolve.. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - still has only EMI (and the independents) at this new rate (compared to Amazon, which also has Universal)

    Maybe I'm a bit naive but I thought it usually took time, work, and negotiation to reverse the practices of an entire industry. Apple did it first with EMI. EMI is sticking to their strategy hoping that they will survive and has started to offer it to Amazon. Universal is not happy with Apple right now so this is a bit of revenge on their part. Other than that, what is the major complaint here?

    - still embeds buyer information inside the files

    Information that is not hidden and can easily be removed. Information that reveals nothing more than the owner of the file. Information that has been embedded in every track Apple has sold (DRM or not) since the begining of iTunes. It's Apple's way of trying to track if someone buys a DRM free track and puts it on a P2P. When you buy anything (especially with a loyalty card), don't you think more information is gathered about you and sold to third parties?

    - chose to react rather than innovate
    It's the fourth bullet point that dismays me the most.

    Company 1 offers new product or service.
    Company 2 offers more or better features than Company 1 months later.
    Company 1 matches Company 2's offer a few months later.

    In your scenario, you've called out Company 1 for failure to innovate. Wasn't Apple the first of the two to offer DRM free tracks? Didn't Apple convince EMI to do so? In my world, the two are just competing.

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  15. The likely outcome by Y-Crate · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we look at the situation, we can see that there is a major problem with Amazon's service:

    Step 1 - Universal wants higher prices, but Apple refuses.

    Step 2 - Universal dumps Apple and goes to Amazon, and Amazon starts selling songs at prices lower than the iTunes Store.

    Step 3 - ?

    In Step 3, Universal needs to achieve the goals it set out with contract re-negotiations with Apple. The goals were higher prices, with a larger percentage going to Universal for sending over a digital copy of an album four years ago. (The artists, are, as you might imagine, quite irrelevant in their calculations).

    So why are they selling tracks at $0.89? To drive people away from the iTunes Store, knock it off its pedestal as the dominant online music retailer, and then jack up the prices once that has occurred and there is a new major player on the block who is more...accommodating...to the wants of the major labels.

    Am I suggesting that people abandon Amazon and start paying more of their hard-earned money to Apple? No. What I am suggesting, and what I have done, is to put a moratorium on my online music purchases until things settle down a bit, as I strongly believe Amazon is going to end up screwing us in the end. We have to keep in mind the only reason Universal went with Amazon was because Apple refused to let them dictate terms that would end up raising the price of online music to a point higher than physical CDs themselves.

    It's ridiculous to think that these prices are going to last, and that when the "correction" comes, that it will be anything but drastic. Giving Amazon a great deal of business, and thus, the big labels more leverage over operations that have fought for the end users, is detrimental to online music retailing as a whole.

    Let me reiterate, the problem is not that the music is being sold by a company other than Apple, but WHY that music is being sold by a company other than Apple at the prices currently asked.

    1. Re:The likely outcome by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree that the whole thing wit Amazon is kinda fishy, but I don't agree that it should stop people from buying from Amazon. The way I see it is this: People should buy cheap DRM-free music from whatever source they like, and avoid buying DRMed music.

      Because let's say people drop iTunes and move to Amazon, buying tons of MP3s. Well, the MP3s don't tie them to continuing to use Amazon's service. You can still use your iPod, or any other MP3 player you choose. Now let's imagine that, having won a lot of market share, the big labels force Amazon to raise prices and use DRM. Right then, stop using Amazon.

      Your years of using Amazon won't tie you to Amazon as long as it's all DRM-free. And if Amazon is a huge success with cheap DRM-free music, and their sales dry up when they increase price and add DRM, then it sends a clear message: consumers want cheap DRM-free music. Consumers are willing to pay for cheap DRM-free music. If you want to make money selling music, the music must be cheap and DRM-free.

      That's the message we all want to send, right?

  16. Re:I realize all of this will continue to evolve.. by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple invented this juggernaut knows as online music stores. A billion or more song sales don't happen due to lack of innovation.

  17. it proves DRM is worthless by Kartoffel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since DRM and DRM-free tracks cost the same, it proves that DRM is worthless!

    song_value + DRM_value = song_value
                  DRM_value = song_value - song_value
                  DRM_value = 0

  18. Re:I realize all of this will continue to evolve.. by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...but for now, I'm not terribly impressed. Apple ... still embeds buyer information inside the files

    What precisely is the problem here? It's not as though you're sharing those files around is it? And it's only your name, in an easily removable tag. I'm yet to hear a serious reason why this is so bad that uses actual logic. At the absolute worst and most cynical, it could be described only as a "minor inconvenience."

    Apple ... still has only EMI (and the independents) at this new rate (compared to Amazon, which also has Universal)

    And that's because Apple clearly don't want Universal to go DRM-free, is it? And you know this how, exactly? Could it be because EMI were willing, but other companies wanted different rules or wanted to break Apple's dominance? Will I end every sentence with a question mark? No, I have other punctuation waiting in the wings!

    Apple ... chose to react rather than innovate

    Other people have reminded you that Apple were doing this before Amazon. Not first in the online world (it's not hard to find other labels like eMusic) but they were the first really big, unquestionably legal player to offer DRM-free tracks.

    Apple ... is still more expensive (ten cents, granted, but still...)

    Good point. Apple picked the 99 cent price point early on and stuck with it. There have been many accounts of pressure applied to Apple to raise the price, and they've resisted. Hopefully Amazon's lower price will force Apple to compete at that level (really, I mean force the labels to realise this level is the price people are willing to pay).

    I think you've tried hard to criticise Apple here, but failed to come up with a compellingly damning criticism. Better points could have revolved around the poor support for indie DRM-free tracks (improving now though) and purchase of lossless media (256kbit versus lossless is hard to hear though). Sadly you didn't grasp the nettle of opportunity when you could've.

  19. Do the tracks have phthalates in them? by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh my God Apple dropped another price! It's just like the iPhone all over again. SUE!! SUE!!

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  20. Re:Hardly easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >How is it easier to put songs on your non-iPod from the Amazon store when they DON'T CARRY THE SONGS???

    Funny, people griped about iTunes for the same reason when it started... but it got better. Amazon's service is relatively new. It might just get better with time, too. Imagine that.

    Stop whining, please? It's tiresome.

  21. AAC is not Apple's proprietary format by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    That they won't offer anything other than AAC.

    AAC is just the MPEG 4 audio codec, it's a publicly defined standard, and somewhat better quality than MP3 for equivalent file sizes. There are a few other media players that support it... but most only support MP3 and Microsoft's proprietary WMA. It's ironic, too, when some company whines about Apple's "non-standard" formats when it's *their* decision, not Apple's, not to support MP4.

    One wonders if Microsoft cuts them a deal on the license for WMA if they leave out MP4/AAC, OGG, etcetera...

    You can transcode to MP3 if you need to, if you must buy a media player from a company that kowtows to Redmond.

  22. The Complete Interpretation of the Events by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's ridiculous to think that these prices are going to last, and that when the "correction" comes, that it will be anything but drastic. Giving Amazon a great deal of business, and thus, the big labels more leverage over operations that have fought for the end users, is detrimental to online music retailing as a whole.

    It's ridiculous to think that these prices are not going to fall more, maybe even to a point that I will find reasonable. Universal essentially lost the war, and now they're just trying to pick up the pieces. This is how I interpreted the whole series of events:

    1. Universal and others start telling Apple that they want higher prices
    2. Apple realizes that the iTunes store helps sell iPods, so they want to keep the prices reasonable. In addition, since the iPod has a huge market share, they're fairly comfortable in just saying 'no'. Plus, it's good publicity for Apple, because everyone sees them as standing up against the big bad evil labels.
    3. Labels decide to play that game to get the higher prices. They now want "tiered" pricing. They spin it by saying that some songs are worth more than others, so why should people have to pay $0.99 when they could be paying less for the less popular songs? In truth, most songs will actually cost more and, strangely enough, the public who usually buys this sort of BS didn't fall for it.
    4. Universal tries to find other ways of making the extra money. Gets into a sweet deal with Microsoft for royalties on every Zune sold. Then tries to use that as leverage and claims Apple should do the same.
    5. Nobody buys the Zune.
    6. Universal tries the tiered pricing again. Threatens to not renew their contract if they don't get it.
    7. Apple reminds them of the huge iPod market share
    8. Universal and other labels who want a better deal start complaining that the iPod's DRM is closed, preventing people from buying music at other stores and playing them on the iPod. If they can bypass the iTunes music store, then the iPod's huge market share doesn't matter. They could buy their songs at any store and play them with their iPod, so the labels would feel alright about not renewing their contracts with Apple.
    9. Apple knows that the labels do have a point, and that they are using drm as a method to maintain their monopoly. They know they can't win that one in the courts, so they start this whole campaign of, "we really don't want DRM at all, but they're forcing us to do it."
    10. The idiot public thinks that Apple really does dislike DRM. What apple is betting on instead is that the labels will be unwilling to sell music without DRM, so it's not going to be an issue. They do need to sell their bluff though, so they hook up with MGM. "You wanted higher prices for your songs, right? Well, we'll give you the higher prices if you sell no-DRM songs with us." They believe this will accomplish two goals: The first is to show that they are serious about disliking DRM, the second is that with the higher prices, few people would get the no-drm / higher bitrate songs. Few people even know what drm is, they're just going to get the lower priced version of the song.
    11. Universal is in a really tough spot. They can't just go begging back to Apple, or they're likely to get an even worse deal then they had before (more of the $0.99 going to Apple). The lack-of-interoperability argument doesn't work anymore because of the MGM songs. They really have only one of two options. Stay with the completely irrelevant DRM model and sell songs that won't play on the iPod, or enter deal with other companies to sell DRM-free songs, so that they WILL play on the iPod.
    12. Microsoft won't consider that, of course. Doesn't give them any advantage in selling hardware.
    13. Wal-Mart is all about it. It will give them an edge when they launch their music store. "It plays on the iPod." They also want to be highly competitive, so they negotiate to make their songs cheaper. "It pl
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  23. Re:Switch the naming around by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Funny

    I agree with you, but you must be new here. Slashdotters will tell you that ripping a CD causes irreparable file damage rendering the song unlistenable and DRM exists solely to lock consumers into having to buy iPods. I mean, nobody buys iPods because they are the best player on the market, they only buy them because they have to because of all their iTunes songs. And iTunes sucks so hard too, makes you wonder why people need iPods in the first place, since no true slashdotter would ever use such a debilitating business model like iTunes. Yeah, that's my take on it in my first full year of slashdotting, but I'm still here, so I must like the punishment.

  24. Re:Hardly easier by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The reason Amazon gives on their website is:

    "Amazon MP3 does not yet offer the complete Dixie Chicks catalog. Not all record labels have approved all of their music for sale as MP3s, but we're working to expand selection. "

    Since these same labels haven't approved non-drm sales in the iTunes store either, what makes you think they will on the Amazon site? The same "matter of time" will never happen, given the current greedy culture of the labels.

  25. Re:Free music by skarth · · Score: 2, Informative

    - Jam sites. These are websites where you plug your MIDI instrument into your PC, go to the site, find a channel where someone else who is playing their MIDI instrument to the website, and join into the groove. A musician's Napster. Actually I don't know if these even exist. Please let me know if they do. If not, please code it as your senior project.

    http://www.ejamming.com/

  26. Re:Nice by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes competition is good. I has caused apple to lower it's price to keep a few of it's customers. It also has caused some music labels to rethink how they sell music. (I know one of them is selling music online with non-DRM). You think Apple lowered the price because of competition? Apple weren't profiting of people's desires to have DRM free music, Jobs said himself that he is opposed to DRM, and that having DRM creates overhead that increases the cost.

    If anything, the technical expertise and overhead required to create, operate and update a DRM system has limited the number of participants selling DRM protected music. -- Jobs So of course he wouldn't sell DRM music for extra if he didn't have to. He wouldn't be so hypocritical as to call for everyone to embrace and request DRM-free music, and then charge extra for DRM-free music.
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  27. Re:Nice by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You think Apple lowered the price because of competition?

    I do.

    Apple weren't profiting of people's desires to have DRM free music,

    That's false. People were paying more money for the same music. If, as you indicate below, having DRM increases costs, then people were paying more money for something that was cheaper to produce. Either Apple was profiting from people's desires for DRM-free music, or Jobs lied about DRM increasing costs.

    Jobs said himself that he is opposed to DRM, and that having DRM creates overhead that increases the cost.

    This is true, but doesn't support your assertion that Apple wasn't profiting from the desire for DRM-free music, in fact it undermines it. Both the fact that it costs more to produce DRM'ed music and the fact that Jobs opposes DRM'ed music would support the notion that Apple would profit more from DRM-free music.

    So of course he wouldn't sell DRM music for extra if he didn't have to. He wouldn't be so hypocritical as to call for everyone to embrace and request DRM-free music, and then charge extra for DRM-free music.

    Huh? There's nothing hypocritical about that. For years, Apple has asserted that their computers are a greater value, and charged more for them. Jobs insists that DRM-free music is a greater value, and that everyone should insist upon having it. What would be at all inconsistent about charging more for a better product?

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  28. Re:Nice by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What would be inconsistent and hypocritical is to prop up DRM systems for years only to suddenly decide to drop the DRM...with a price increase. For the music industry, it has always been about taking something away, then slowly selling it back to you at higher cost.

    DRM free music is a higher value, but one that other stores have already been selling at $0.99, hence Apple has to cut costs to compete, its that simple. I truly believe they dropped the price because they couldn't compete anymore on the no-drm front.