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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th

David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""

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  1. The student edition is now $47 more by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Informative

    It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students. But starting with iWork and iLife it seems that the student discount is only about 10%. So whereas Tiger cost $69 for the edu version, Leopard costs $116.....

    1. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by Crizp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If that works for you; fine. Some of us, though, have grown tired of fucking around with flaky wireless drivers, bad 3D support for new gfx cards etc. But we still like to be able to go to the core via the command line when necessary. We just usually like to get work done.

      So get over yourself, it obviously isn't for you. And before the "Linux noob" comments come; my servers are Slackware and have been since at least ten years ago.

    2. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by VCAGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think it still is, though it appears that Apple has reduced the places where you can get those steep discounts at...their online "Education" store pricing is higher than it used to be, but since they don't bother with compliance checking, I think I can understand why. I attend UCF, and a quick check of our computer store's ordering page shows that Tiger (M9639Z) is $69, and that Leopard (MB021Z) will also be $69. iWork '08 cost me just $39...a quick check of a another Florida university's computer store showed the same pricing.

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    3. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by sribe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just went to the Apple Education Store, looked at Leopard, and it is indeed showing up at the higher price of $116.00 for me.

      My apologies. I checked the institutional price, not the student/faculty price which does indeed show up as $116. I guess the Tiger troll left me hyper-sensitive!

  2. Re:Macbooks by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not likely, but you have the ability to get Leopard cheaply if you buy a Mac after October 1st.

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

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  3. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by CommandNotFound · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't exactly call this 'bashing'. More of a jab. With six version of Vista, MSFT pretty much walked into that punchline.

  4. Let's see by Centurix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "According to the Microsoft website, Windows Vista will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Windows Vista goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Microsoft's retail stores and Microsoft Authorized Resellers, Microsoft announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Microsoft's online store. "Vista, the nth major release of Window, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Bill Gates, Microsoft's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $600.""


    hmmm...
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  5. Interesting by Thyamine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.

    I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.

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    1. Re:Interesting by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait until you ditch OS X and install Linux... you will need tissues and moisturiser.

    2. Re:Interesting by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it

      Apple are not perfect - they have priorities and make assumptions that may not suit everyone. They tend towards a "closed" PC-as-appliance mentality, and would probably be just as monopolistic as MS if they could get away with it. They over-hype things. Sometimes they just plain screw up...

      but...

      ...you at least get the impression that you have been deprioritised, locked-in, monopolized and possibly screwed by someone with some sort of vision making an intelligent and possibly risky effort to turn out a better product rather than a committee of PHBs and marketdroids taking input from a focus group.

      Also, Apple have managed to take UNIX and wrap it in a genuinely friendly GUI front end, c.f. KDE/Gnome/X who have taken Linux and wrapped it in a usable but clunky and over-engineered GUI that is still suffering from its ancestry as a way of letting Unix geeks run 8 simultaneous instances of their favorite CLI shell in translucent windows.

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    3. Re:Interesting by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...you at least get the impression that you have been deprioritised, locked-in, monopolized and possibly screwed by someone with some sort of vision making an intelligent and possibly risky effort to turn out a better product rather than a committee of PHBs and marketdroids taking input from a focus group. So where Microsoft is merely an evil corporation, Apple is a cult.
  6. Best upgrade? by p00n0s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs Well they wouldn't get far claiming it to be worst upgrade they've ever released...
  7. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by Jaxoreth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?
    Because it's a major upgrade, not a point release.
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  8. Damn, "Time Machine" sounds cool... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html

    Automatically hourly incremental backups to an external disk, with everything done readable in the filesystem as simlinks so you can look at arbitrarily hour-snapshots for the past day, day snapshots for the past month, and weekly snapshots thereafter.

    COOL!

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  9. 300+ features... by Techguy666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a list of all the new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html

    I'm praying that it's not just more bloat like Vista. It seems like Leopard is good on paper, better Boot Camp for those who still need Windows; better iCal for the people who use their Macs for organizing their life; Instruments, Core Animation, Unix certification, built-in Sandboxing for programmers; and other doodads for Joe-user such as a cooler Photobooth... But then, do I need my address book to make calls to Google Maps or the OS-wide dictionary to reach out to Wikipedia? Those last two are cool but I get worried when my "OS experience" is tied in anyway to whether I have network or Internet access.

    1. Re:300+ features... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      A lot of the new features (mostly the ones that aren't hyped on the main page) are specifically for developers. It's been that way with most of the OS X releases -- the best features are actually for developers. From memory there's full 64-bit support, CoreAnimation (CoreImage, released with Tiger, was a great tool for developers), a Dashboard development tool and Objective-C 2.0.

      All of the new developer toys are nicely exposed through well thought out APIs, with free documentation and were announced two years ago and a pre-release of the OS made available a year ago so developers could get a jump start.

      Apple has to put a few nice Joe Public features in the new OS so people will upgrade to it so there's a bigger market for all those third party developers.

  10. Re:problem is... by spud603 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a lot that was done on the base level that will improve general usability. Finder is fixed (we hope). It's UNIX compliant now. Better use of 64-bit and multi-core processors.
    Also, some of the "eye candy" will be very useful: easy backup and multiple desktops built in (I've been using a 3rd-party solution for this for a while now that works remarkably well, but has a number of glitches).
    I'm not beating down the door for 10.5, but I am looking forward to some of its conveniences.

  11. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?
    Being mainly a linux user I don't understand your reference (something about "ultimate"?) - however, I do think the artificial limitations on most versions of Windows are very annoying. Somebody at Microsoft actually went to extra effort to restrict you to only 5 network connections. Or the fact that only one remote user can log in at once. It's just very, very Lame.
  12. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Informative

    In order to maintain the longevity of the OS X name, full milestone upgrades of OS X are called point releases. People lambaste OS X for that numbering convention, as if OS X milestone releases are not as significant just because Apple isn't moving the first digit of the version number with each release. It's a really stupid critique, FWIW.

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  13. Wikipedia built in... by Vokkyt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the Dictionary Section:

    "Wikipedia in Dictionary

    Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."

    From the Parental Controls:

    "Wikipedia Content Filter

    Limit access to profanity in Wikipedia."

    Huh...interesting.

  14. Re:Yes, but... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course it will. After all, Apple told you for years that their machines were so expensive because PPC was infinitely superior to x86.

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  15. language distortion field? by drjzzz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The "Technology" highlights include:

    Bonjour
    Holisticly provide access to ethical communities vis-a-vis client-focused

    That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?
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  16. Translucency is so overrated by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.

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  17. Re:problem is... by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Finder *is* definitely much improved. On a lower end system, its much faster and has enough features and speed increase it makes using Path Finder negligible.

  18. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?

    It's not like charging for a "point release" is unique to Apple. Microsoft did so for the upgrades from Windows 3.0 to 3.1, and from Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) to 5.1 (Windows XP). The thing that determines whether it is worth it to users is what new functionality they get for their money, not which digit of an arbitrary numbering scheme some guy in the marketing department decided to increment.

  19. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by C0rinthian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because version number means EVERYTHING, and actual content means NOTHING.

  20. Re:The 300 release by tod_miller · · Score: 5, Funny

    > That is hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on the web.

    You must be new here.

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  21. I find your lack of vision disturbing by Shadowlore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And you've done what, exactly, with it? Your vision is where?

    Just because you don't do things such as writing on translucent materials or glass things doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Not all technology is for every person. For example, those who actually build things by hand (quilters, seamstresses, wood workers, metal workers, etc.) quite frequently use translucent or clear materials for patterns, templates, and sometimes finished products. How about clear measuring cups? I've seen chefs use clear containers and mark various levels and information on them using erasable markers. Then there is the clear surfaces with map inlays used by tactical planners and tac-rooms. In the Army, decades ago, we would use clear or translucent materials over maps to create different plans and routes, and lay them over various maps. Oh, and waaay back in elementary, junior, and senior high school, and lo even in college, transparencies were used in classrooms with overhead projectors. I've seen the use of transparent or translucent overlay "technology" used in the real world by police, firefighters, medical personnel, construction crews, demolition crews, surveyors, etc..

    So since many of us DO use it, translucency (or transparency by your reference to glass) by your own argument IS great, and you simply lack the vision to make use of it, right? It isn't translucency that is overrated, it's your post.

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  22. More than a Service Pack(as made famous by Boston) by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's no service pack... it's a space station...

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  23. 26th October... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...was the day Doc Brown completed the first test of his Time Machine.

    What a bunch of geeks.

  24. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by RogerWilco · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft does the same and sometimes Windows point releases cost as much or even more:

    Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11

    Windows 4.0 a.k.a. Windows 95
    Windows 4.03 a.k.a. Windows 95 OSR2
    Windows 4.1 a.k.a. Windows 98
    Windows 4.9 a.k.a. Windows ME

    Windows NT 5.0 a.k.a. Windows 2000
    Windows NT 5.1 a.k.a. Windows XP
    Windows NT 5.2 a.k.a. Windows 2003

    And the gaps in release dates of the above aren't a lot different from the OS X ones, maybe a bit larger (1.5-2 years vs. 1-1.5 years) and they have some clever naming system since 1995, but then so does Apple (Panther, Tiger, Leopard)

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  25. Re:Bittorrent edition a non starter... by mr_josh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bull. Apple isn't wasting their time looking for pirated copies of the OS during service. PLEASE cite an example of someone being turned away for having an illegitimate copy of the OS. For that example, please cite a way of determining what is a pirated copy of the installed OS.

  26. That sucks, but it's not Apple's fault. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You do realize that 298 of those 1195 SEK are tax, right? So subtracting that out, you get a real price of 897 SEK, which is only 68 SEK more than the US price, or about $10.60 USD.

    I doubt that you'd be able to order a US version and have it shipped to Sweden for less than $10 in shipping.

    Seems like a pretty fair price to me. Maybe you should vote for politicians who support lower taxes if you don't like it?

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  27. But can it copy more than 16,400 files? by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...or does that cost extra?