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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th
David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""
It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students. But starting with iWork and iLife it seems that the student discount is only about 10%. So whereas Tiger cost $69 for the edu version, Leopard costs $116.....
Monstar L
Very likely. Its also likely if you just (within a week or two ago) purchased your mac you might be able to get the new version free of charge. I know this happened with my parents computer and Panther awhile back.
Not likely, but you have the ability to get Leopard cheaply if you buy a Mac after October 1st.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
I wouldn't exactly call this 'bashing'. More of a jab. With six version of Vista, MSFT pretty much walked into that punchline.
hmmm...
Task Mangler
I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.
I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.
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Yes, http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/
867MHz+ PPC.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html
Automatically hourly incremental backups to an external disk, with everything done readable in the filesystem as simlinks so you can look at arbitrarily hour-snapshots for the past day, day snapshots for the past month, and weekly snapshots thereafter.
COOL!
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Here's a list of all the new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
I'm praying that it's not just more bloat like Vista. It seems like Leopard is good on paper, better Boot Camp for those who still need Windows; better iCal for the people who use their Macs for organizing their life; Instruments, Core Animation, Unix certification, built-in Sandboxing for programmers; and other doodads for Joe-user such as a cooler Photobooth... But then, do I need my address book to make calls to Google Maps or the OS-wide dictionary to reach out to Wikipedia? Those last two are cool but I get worried when my "OS experience" is tied in anyway to whether I have network or Internet access.
There's a lot that was done on the base level that will improve general usability. Finder is fixed (we hope). It's UNIX compliant now. Better use of 64-bit and multi-core processors.
Also, some of the "eye candy" will be very useful: easy backup and multiple desktops built in (I've been using a 3rd-party solution for this for a while now that works remarkably well, but has a number of glitches).
I'm not beating down the door for 10.5, but I am looking forward to some of its conveniences.
Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois?
Because it's an easy and slow moving target?
I don't recall how many versions of Vista exist, and have given up trying to keep track of what is wrong generally with Vista, but if late night talk show hosts were more technically inclined, I'd wager there would be as a steady stream of jokes about Vista, at least as many as there are about embarassing celebrity goofups and blunders of the day.
So laugh. It's funny. Hell, I don't even own a Mac, and I'm laughing. But I doubt I'm alone in saying that I am paying close attention in anticipation of my next computer purchase.
In order to maintain the longevity of the OS X name, full milestone upgrades of OS X are called point releases. People lambaste OS X for that numbering convention, as if OS X milestone releases are not as significant just because Apple isn't moving the first digit of the version number with each release. It's a really stupid critique, FWIW.
Part of the hardcore faithful who believed in Apple long before it was cool again to do so
From the Dictionary Section:
"Wikipedia in Dictionary
Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."
From the Parental Controls:
"Wikipedia Content Filter
Limit access to profanity in Wikipedia."
Huh...interesting.
Of course it will. After all, Apple told you for years that their machines were so expensive because PPC was infinitely superior to x86.
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That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?
to err is human, to forgive is divine, to forget is... umm...
If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.
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It's just competition, doesn't annoy me. Fairly standard practice for a company to say, "unlike the competition, our product does this", especially when you are not the market leader. Market leaders are assumed to be the best, so competitors have to knock them down a notch and challenge the assumptions. Look at Ford's recent ads. Guy pulls up at night next to a competing product, and starts going over all the ways the Ford is better than the other car. Mazda has an ad where a Toyota owner is ridiculed for going the "normal" route of buying a Corolla, instead of the "more feature-full" Mazda. Hey, I managed to get a car analogy in here!
And "The Steve's" point is spot-on. With Apple, you don't have to decide between levels of product like you do with Windows. Home Basic? Home Premium? Ultimate? Apple is saying they designed an OS with lots of new features, and you get all those features if you buy the product. Simple as that.
Finder *is* definitely much improved. On a lower end system, its much faster and has enough features and speed increase it makes using Path Finder negligible.
I follow some of the Apple 'rumor' sites. Curiously there are no known updates on the Mac Pro and the Mac Book Pro seems to be rumored for an upgrade in the Winter. Apple seems to be weaning off the Mac Mini (as I hear the Mini has had poor sales). It seems new hardware will have Leopard included but will not be upgraded.
Consider most iMac users will *require* an enclosure if they want to use Time Machine as it will only work with an add-on drive and not on the system disk.
This leaves me to ask, will we see a go-between on the Mac Pro and the iMac? I'd really love to see a lower cost tower than the Mac Pro. Expandable hard drive bays, upgradable video card and an extra DVD drive in the same case would be most welcome. My iMac G5 is in need of replacement and the footprint of the system when I account for the external DVD and dual-HDD enclosure doesn't make it seem as worthwhile for space saving.
You likely have too little ram (let me guess, a pathetic 512mb stock right?). Bump it up to 2gb, and the Mini will be great.
It's not like charging for a "point release" is unique to Apple. Microsoft did so for the upgrades from Windows 3.0 to 3.1, and from Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) to 5.1 (Windows XP). The thing that determines whether it is worth it to users is what new functionality they get for their money, not which digit of an arbitrary numbering scheme some guy in the marketing department decided to increment.
Lets see... Windows 95 came around 1995, few years later there was Windows 98, couple years later we had windows ME, couple years after that we had Windows XP. Only Vista has been a long upgrade cycle, and aren't we all glad they took the extra time to make sure they got it right on Vista?
Because version number means EVERYTHING, and actual content means NOTHING.
> That is hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on the web.
You must be new here.
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And you've done what, exactly, with it? Your vision is where?
Just because you don't do things such as writing on translucent materials or glass things doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Not all technology is for every person. For example, those who actually build things by hand (quilters, seamstresses, wood workers, metal workers, etc.) quite frequently use translucent or clear materials for patterns, templates, and sometimes finished products. How about clear measuring cups? I've seen chefs use clear containers and mark various levels and information on them using erasable markers. Then there is the clear surfaces with map inlays used by tactical planners and tac-rooms. In the Army, decades ago, we would use clear or translucent materials over maps to create different plans and routes, and lay them over various maps. Oh, and waaay back in elementary, junior, and senior high school, and lo even in college, transparencies were used in classrooms with overhead projectors. I've seen the use of transparent or translucent overlay "technology" used in the real world by police, firefighters, medical personnel, construction crews, demolition crews, surveyors, etc..
So since many of us DO use it, translucency (or transparency by your reference to glass) by your own argument IS great, and you simply lack the vision to make use of it, right? It isn't translucency that is overrated, it's your post.
My Suburban burns less gasoline than your Prius.
That's no service pack... it's a space station...
Bow-ties are cool.
Using google currency converter:
129 USD In SEK:
129 U.S. dollars = 828.979584 Swedish kronor
and the list price for apple store sweden:
1.195,00
hmm
1195 SEK in USD:
1 195 Swedish kronor = 185.957535 U.S. dollars
So thats a 56$ premium. I don't think so.
Congrats, apple. You just won a pirated copy of Leopard!
...was the day Doc Brown completed the first test of his Time Machine.
What a bunch of geeks.
Microsoft does the same and sometimes Windows point releases cost as much or even more:
Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11
Windows 4.0 a.k.a. Windows 95
Windows 4.03 a.k.a. Windows 95 OSR2
Windows 4.1 a.k.a. Windows 98
Windows 4.9 a.k.a. Windows ME
Windows NT 5.0 a.k.a. Windows 2000
Windows NT 5.1 a.k.a. Windows XP
Windows NT 5.2 a.k.a. Windows 2003
And the gaps in release dates of the above aren't a lot different from the OS X ones, maybe a bit larger (1.5-2 years vs. 1-1.5 years) and they have some clever naming system since 1995, but then so does Apple (Panther, Tiger, Leopard)
RogerWilco the Adventurous Janitor
If the Mini hadn't sold well, they would have dropped it by now - not did a minor update to it a few months back.
I know a number of people that have minis, and like them (the new Intel versions are a lot more powerful than the older G4 ones).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Bull. Apple isn't wasting their time looking for pirated copies of the OS during service. PLEASE cite an example of someone being turned away for having an illegitimate copy of the OS. For that example, please cite a way of determining what is a pirated copy of the installed OS.
Except for the fact that you can run pretty much every OS out there on an Intel Mac.
You do realize that 298 of those 1195 SEK are tax, right? So subtracting that out, you get a real price of 897 SEK, which is only 68 SEK more than the US price, or about $10.60 USD.
I doubt that you'd be able to order a US version and have it shipped to Sweden for less than $10 in shipping.
Seems like a pretty fair price to me. Maybe you should vote for politicians who support lower taxes if you don't like it?
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I am going to second this. There are a lot of great RegExp libraries available for Cocoa that have some great developers behind them. The shining one to me would be OmniGroup's OFRegularExpression (http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/). It has an easy license to work with, and is easy to embed in a project. Why should Apple spend resources trying to rebuild what is already there (or spend money updating it) when OmniGroup already has an interest in keeping it up-to-date?
Actually, as Vista is VERY different under the hood, it's NT 6.0. 2000 was NT 5.0, XP was 5.1, and XP x64 was NT 5.2.
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...or does that cost extra?
I don't want the ultimate version, I'd just like the late-2006 JDK 6 version.
You know, the "I wish I didn't regret buying a mac for Java development version". The one on the shelf next to the "Boy I'm glad I didn't donate my old Linux thinkpad since its all I have for Java 6 development" version.
My mac is great -- unfortunately I don't get to turn it on much these days.
Same old story. . .
1) Apple starts doing great
2) Profit!!!
3) Apple gets really egotistical and forgets that other developers exist. (And thinks that archaic languages like Pascal and Objective-C are the only games in town. While coming up with some platforms external developers can't code at _all_ for like the iPhone, early Newton, etc.)
4) ???
5) Struggle for a few years and almost die!
6) Repeat
I wish they'd "Think Different" this time. Here's what I would suggest.
1) Support cross-platform development languages so developers could choose their platform (think Java) above others.
2) Support cross-platform standards for documents like Oasis/open-office formats instead of the egotistical AppleWorks, ClarisWorks, Pages hubris. That way they don't almost die when Microsoft decides not to upgrade Microsoft Office for 8 years or so.
3) Support developers that develop for their devices instead of handcuffing them with bogus languages on their main platform (languages that no-one knows or cares to know in the general industry) or worse, disable them from writing real apps like on the iPhone.
4) Make laptops that don't burn the users' genitals.
5) Be less secretive about things that aren't new features and don't need to be secrets. (Like APIs, and platform development - like JDK development).
6) Listen to the users even _after_ they get popular. It seems they score huge points with users after creating stuff the users want, then they completely ignore them for years until it is too late.
I like Apple, I don't care for the Red Sox. I want Apple to stop playing like the Red Sox.