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Vista Runs Out of Memory While Copying Files

ta bu shi da yu writes "It appears that, incredibly, Vista can run out of memory while copying files. ZDNet is reporting that not only does it run out of memory after copying 16,400+ files, but that 'often there is little indication that file copy operations haven't completed correctly.' Apparently a fix was scheduled for SP1 but didn't make it; there is a hotfix that you must request."

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  1. That's OK then by Sub+Zero+992 · · Score: 4, Funny

    the box I "make use of" has just 15,000 mp3s...

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  2. Billy G says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    16k files should be enough for everybody.

    1. Re:Billy G says by Seismologist · · Score: 2, Funny
      I hate to reply to my original posting, but I overlooked another quote on the same wikiquote page above:

      We will never make a 32-bit operating system.

      - Bill Gates At the launch of MSX in 1983

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    2. Re:Billy G says by Nazlfrag · · Score: 3, Funny

      32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition perhaps?

  3. Welcome to Windows Vista by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 5, Funny

    At the end, there will be free therapy. And Cake!

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    1. Re:Welcome to Windows Vista by QuantumPion · · Score: 4, Funny

      the cake is a lie
      the cake is a lie
      the cake is a lie

  4. Re:Maybe this stems from... by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't it a little odd that if you strip off the first and last digits of the number "16,400", it's 640, as in 'no one needs more than 640k"?

  5. No more going back to XP? by dtouchet · · Score: 5, Funny

    M$ is scared that people will try to copy their documents to another computer before reverting back to XP. Smart, very smart Micro$oft! On a tech note, what kind of number is 14,600? I would have thought 16,384 would be better.

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  6. Refresh of an oldie... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Vista fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Vista PC (an Intel Core 2 Duo w/4 gigs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my ancient Mac running OS 9, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Vista PC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

    In addition, during this file transfer, Firefox will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Notepad is straining to keep up as I type this.

    I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Vista PCs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Vista PC that has run faster than its Mac OSX counterpart, despite the Vista PC's same chip architecture. My 286/12 with 2 megs of ram runs faster than this 2.4ghz mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Vista is a superior operating system.

    Vista lovers, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use Vista over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.

    1. Re:Refresh of an oldie... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Funny
      God what an ass kiss! I mean, read that post in the context of Slashdot:

      I don't want to start a holy war here
      And...

      I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems
      And...

      Vista lovers, flame me if you'd like...
      I'm sorry, but if you where not going for "holy war", than you where going for what essentially constitutes a Slashdot Blowjob. Zero meaningful content, AC.
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  7. It's because by zsouthboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    they can only send 16,000 files to the RIAA and MPAA to check, at once.

  8. 16400+ files ? Let me guess ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... the exact number is 16384 ?

  9. Exxon Val-Vista by roadkill_cr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, the fools! If only they'd built it to let you copy 16,401 files!

  10. What about those of us who need high performance? by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want an OS that lets me re-organize my pr0n anytime I want. I *need* to be able to select 50K-100K files at a time and move them from place to place without slowdowns. Ever try, in Windows, to search your network for all the *.jpg files, select a few hundred thousand of them in the search window, and drag them to the new firewire disk you just plugged in? It's painful, lemme tell ya.

    Anybody want to suggest an OS that would work for me? I'm serious.

  11. Re:Maybe this stems from... by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Funny

    and then you take the 640, divide by 2, get 320, remove the last 0, and get 32, the reverse of 23.

    Then you multiply 23 by 30, get 690, take 42, reverse it to 24 and subtruct this from 690. You get 666.

    What does that tell you? Ha? Ha?

  12. Re:Maybe this stems from... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

    What does that tell you? Ha? Ha?

    You've got too much time on your hands?

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  13. Re:Actual info... by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Funny

    only files with altnerate data streams trigger the leak

    Well that's what you get for crossing the streams. Egon warned us. Kaspersky's risking total protonic reversal. I guess they were fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing.

  14. Oh quit whining by downix · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a minor problem, absolutely rare event, occurs with next to no regu...

    **OUT OF MEMORY ERROR, SYSTEM HALT**

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  15. When will people learn to buy the cable? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It appears that, incredibly, Vista can run out of memory while copying files."
    That's not really the incredible part. What is incredible is that Vista can copy any files at all without buying a special cable! This is what you get when you hack Vista and just start copying files left and right without buying the cable. If you buy the cable, it doesn't run out of memory until after 16,500 files!
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  16. Re:Maybe this stems from... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have found the first slashdot user that has no porn.

  17. Re:Maybe this stems from... by someone1234 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is a similar bug in all unix, probably linux too.
    If there are 16k files in a simple directory, type rm *.
    If it works, try the same with 32k files.
    Then 64k files. Eventually it will fail :)

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  18. Re:Maybe this stems from... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, it's more like 90 / 90000, but you're only a few orders of magnitude off.

    Not necessarily his fault, maybe he used Excel to calculate it...

  19. Not really that simple in Vista... by kwabbles · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not a simple operation. Think about how a file copy works within Vista:

    1. The file is opened.
    2. The file is scanned for viruses.
    3. The file is scanned for adware.
    4. The file is scanned for DRM violations.
    5. The user is asked if they're really sure they want to copy the file.
    6. The user is asked again if they're sure they want to copy it.
    7. The OS makes a judgement on how long it will take to copy so it can update the pretty stats in the gui.
    8. Lots of flashy graphics and widgets are loaded to show you a pretty animation while you wait.
    9. The file is copied.
    10. The destination file is verified that it is intact.
    11. The destination file is scanned for viruses.
    12. The destination file is scanned for adware.
    13. The destination file is scanned for DRM violations.
    14. The file is successfully copied.

    Hell - I'm surprised their OS can even handle copying 1,600 files, let alone 16,000.

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    1. Re:Not really that simple in Vista... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Need to add a couple more steps.

      1a The file(s) is scanned for creation date, last access date, file type, etc.
      1a.1 If it is a known file type, it scans for metadata
                  WMA: bitrate, artist, album, title, etc
                  BMP: width, height, bpp, etc
                  EXE: Source, Author, Revision Number, compatibility info
      1a.2 If it is unknown, barf all over user.
      9a Unable to copy, file is in use, delete original file.
      14a disable undo. (Has anybody actually gotten undo to work in windows explorer?)
      15 Reboot unexpectedly

  20. Re:Maybe this stems from... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Vista is now forced down my throat"

    I got news for you, that is Vista, but it isn't your throat it being forced into.

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  21. .. But there's no sense crying over every mistake by hendrix2k · · Score: 2, Funny

    you just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

  22. Copy Music? Never by bazald · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft employees buy another copy of their 13K+ music collections if they want another copy.

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  23. Re:Maybe this stems from... by hoover · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't this be "divide by 8.3" in the true DOS spirit of things? ;-)

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  24. Possible workaround: Use ONE file for everything by failedlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    I expected this very problem to happen and have taken corrective measures. Simply, I use one large file for everything.

    Think about the innovation that is being created here. I can access all the spreadsheets I have ever created whilst updating my current webpage project, search for an e-mail archive and read the latest TPS Report Coversheet without changing files. It means I don't have to partition my hard drive. And I only have *one* file ever to backup.

    This has simplified my daily work to the point I fired all my IT staff. Thanks Microsoft!

  25. Re:Maybe this stems from... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but everyone knows one-in-a-million chances come up nine-times out of ten.

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  26. Re:Maybe this stems from... by Nosklo · · Score: 5, Funny

    why the heck does Windows need to scan directories to be deleted before deleting them is beyond me (...) Same thing for copying, Windows wastes time scanning the source directory for no apparent reason since it won't tell you you have insufficient disk space to complete the operation The scan is to know beforehand the size and number of files before copy/delete operation, so windows can make a <sarcasm>VERY RELIABLE</sarcasm> progress bar, with a <sarcasm>VERY RELIABLE</sarcasm> estimated time that <sarcasm>ALWAYS</sarcasm> measures correctly the time left for the operation to complete.
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  27. 16,400+ on Vista? by Joseph1337 · · Score: 0, Funny

    Well there is a old legend that if you copy more than 666 files on WindowsME and open a linux related site at once Steve Balmer will apear from the monitor, throw a chair at you and you will be desintegrated

  28. Re:Not Just Vista by Jaxoreth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft should do itself a favor and ditch the VMS underpinnings of Windows (some of which they have probably forgotten how to maintain) and build your nice GUI on top of BSD or something similar.
    Are you honestly suggesting grafting a proprietary GUI on top of BSD and selling that as a commercial operating system? That would never work.
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  29. Who can copy 16,400 files anyway? by r_jensen11 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Honestly, how can [Cancel or Allow] anyone co[Cancel or Allow]py that m[Cancel or Allow]any files anyway?

  30. Re:Maybe this stems from... by marcosdumay · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Windows wastes time scanning the source directory for no apparent reason since it won't tell you you have insufficient disk space to complete the operation until the target drive runs out of disk space..."

    No. When removing a file, Windows will always tell you beforehand if you lack disk space for the operation. It is a feature, stop complaining.