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TSA to Contractors - Encrypt Your Laptops

eweekhickins writes "After two laptops were lost containing the personal data of 3,900+ truckers who handle HAZMATs, the Transportation Security Administration has ordered its contractors to encrypt any and all data. 'After the second theft or loss, the TSA conducted an IT forensic investigation that ascertained that the (previously) deleted information could be retrieved if a thief had the proper training. "So even though [there's only a] small chance of [the data being misused], we did notify all affected individuals and advised them of what steps to take to protect themselves, and we mandated that contractors need to encrypt any and all data in addition to any deletion procedures that might be in place," Davis said.'"

132 comments

  1. TSA makes /. encrypt stories too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

  2. sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure pal

  3. Overheard conversation by postbigbang · · Score: 5, Funny

    "No, not the keys to the truck and trailer, I need the damn keys to the laptop!"

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    1. Re:Overheard conversation by TechwoIf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That would be funny if it did not actually happen to me. I drive a truck and cross the boarder to Canada and back to the USA. I was literally asked for the keys to the laptop by customs.

  4. Many have been told to backup... by psychicsword · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Though many never do, will this be the same?
    I think that even if you force the security measures in place people will always find a way around it. People write their passwords on a Post-in note or tape it to their monitor. These security measures are good but definitely not perfect.

  5. It's always sad by techpawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That these kind of measures are retroactive instead of proactive.

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    1. Re:It's always sad by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Reactive"

      It's more likely it was pitched, but either for cost or time, management probably shot it down. Never mind there've been high profile laptops missing all over, like the VA one. Being naive, I would wager that the IT department would like to lock down the systems as tight as possible (I know I would) but are being thwarted by management becaue it'd make things too hard, too different, or cost too much.

      It's always after the sole data server blows up that they decide "oh, guess that backup option would've been worthwhile." (Had this happen too. Financial data, customer data, and no paper trail. But the tape drive cost 'too much'.)

    2. Re:It's always sad by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      You could look at this a few different ways. First you could say that this is partially active and not totally reactive. Laptops were lost or stolen with large quantities of data, it's not sure if that data was used for nefarious purposes right at least it hasn't been disclosed publicly. So you could say that this is a semi active response. Some one said we got darn lucky lets remove this vector.

      Also think about all the ways some one can get to your data. You have to step up your protection to all of these threats all the bad people have to do is find the weakest link. Now I'll be the first to say that a good DAR policy should have been an obvious precaution but thats neither here nor there. At least they are taking steps make this not the weakest link.

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    3. Re:It's always sad by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they could actually take retroactive measures, they'd be much happier. "Johnson, I need to secure that data so that it didn't get stolen three days ago!"

      Chris Mattern

    4. Re:It's always sad by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I keep wondering, if the data is that sensitive, IT departments should have it physically never leave the data center. Instead, offer different means of access via secure means, such as Remote Desktop, ssh, a secure webapp available after connecting to a VPN, or some other means of accessing the data and gathering reports from remote. Keep the data available, but have it physically reside in the (relatively) secure environment of the data center.

      If someone needs offline access (for example in a remote location with no Internet access), that is a different story, but in a number of laptop theft cases, there is no real reason the info is physically sitting on the laptop.

      Of course, this won't prevent an employee from doing an export of all the tables to their laptop, but having the sensitive data behind a username, password, and a SecurID token means that the losses due to a stolen laptop will be minimal. Add a decent FDE program (BitLocker is decent because it doesn't get in the way of users, provided they can access their user), and a laptop loss can be written off as "just" hardware.

      A number of Dell laptops and desktops have the ability to have CompuTrace installed in the BIOS. This is another good tool to help find stolen goods.

      By using the tools out there, from WDE, to having data physically residing on a different location (although there are cases where this isn't possible), to CompuTrace, damage done from a stolen laptop can be greatly mitigated.

    5. Re:It's always sad by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      &%*%*& coworker pulled the network cable for the room while i was submitting a comment to this. apparently it got poofed. Anyway...

      There's the conflict between management and IT again. IT wants secure, management wants easy and convenient, and management nearly always wins out.

      I deal with a similar situation in that, as an outsourced tech, I pretty much can pitch whatever, but it's up to the customer to decide if they want to impliment policy. Usually I'm overruled. "Stuff has worked fine for now, why change it?" I've had to dole out local AND domain admin rights on Windows server domains simply because it was easier for them.

      Unfortunatly, it usually takes incidents like this, where the proverbial cobra finally bites the proverbial ass after said ass has been dangling over said cobra for a while. THEN they start implimenting policies that say "Do not place ass within biting range of cobra."

    6. Re:It's always sad by Sancho · · Score: 2, Informative

      Many companies have policies that state that machines must be password protected--BitLocker, OS X, etc. handle encryption seamlessly if this is the case. There is no convenience reason not to use it on company laptops if they're managing sensitive data.

    7. Re:It's always sad by rk075771 · · Score: 1

      yes.its true..they also can use Data Encryption Standard(DES) that provide authentication and proof that the data was not fabricated by someone and only the legitimate can decrypt the data.

  6. Encrypting Personal Information by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2, Funny

    After two laptops were lost containing the personal data... we mandated that contractors need to encrypt any and all data Is there anything to say besides "Duh"?
    1. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by beavis88 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there anything to say besides "Duh"?

      Yeah - "Don't write your encryption passphrase on a sticky note and attach it to your laptop"

      Because you just know that'll be the next TSA directive.

    2. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by afidel · · Score: 1

      This may be the most insightful thing ever posted to Slashdot in its ten year history.

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    3. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Hmm, after the first one was lost, the data was set free already, so now after the second one was lost, the crooks have a backup too. Good luck with encrypting lost data.

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    4. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      Is there anything to say besides "Duh"?
      Yes: Mmmmm! Donuts!!!
    5. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by Stray7Xi · · Score: 1

      Of course it already is policy, every IT dept says not to write down passwords but it still happens. The real problem is a lack of security auditing. A flawless policy is useless if its not enforced. Someone needs to go verify that there aren't sticky notes with passwords on the computer, that the drive is encrypted.

      Of course "inspectors" are usually associated with bureacracy and corruption. However TSA is already built around useless bureacracy not effectiveness, so how can it hurt.

    6. Re:Encrypting Personal Information by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      People write down passwords because they can't remember them. This is often due to setting too many rules for which characters the password can contain, and making the user change their password too often. The other problem is, is that people have to remember too many passwords. Different passwords for their home computer, banking website, gmail, office computer, debit PIN, and probably about 5 other things.

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  7. Not Enough by s31523 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, so I have my Open Office document with goodies of HAZMAT data in it. I deploy my favorite encryption program and encrypt the document. Then I delete the original document. Same problem exists. Encryption is not enough.

    Either the data needs to be "shredded" or stored in it's natural form on a fully encrypted volume.

    1. Re:Not Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      An idea might be to put a VMWare Virtual Machine inside a TrueCrypt volume.
      This way your entire OS will be encrypted.

    2. Re:Not Enough by apparently · · Score: 1

      That one's been on my To Do list; I'm curious to see what the performance hit is.

    3. Re:Not enough by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      We agree that the keys to encryption need to be well managed, and penalities for any kind of data loss need to be incredibly severe.

      Not flying or going to an airport since 9/11 (presuming *because* of 9/11's aftermath) as a result of your demands, would appear to border on paranoia in the extreme, however. Someone has your IP address for the message you posted, and has already traced you back. It's in your service provider's info sent to the NSA. You didn't have an https connection, so everyone saw what you wrote here today. Feel better? In a wonderful world, security wouldn't be a problem. That doesn't excuse bad data handling, rather it says that it's really loose and stupid not to have required encryption up until now.

      Now if I can just find those keys....there might be a protocol, like packets over pigeons, for truckers. I wonder.....Peterbuilt AES??

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    4. Re:Not Enough by ic3scrap3r · · Score: 3, Informative

      Full Disk Encryption. That is the only answer. Otherwise you are relying on the user to make security decisions and they don't understand security.

      Full Disk Encryption is just that. It encrypts the entire thing and requires pre-boot authentication. Even the OS is encrypted.

    5. Re:Not Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currently a VM'ed MINIX takes roughly 3 hours to boot on a Linux Machine running 2x quad core Xeon (2.2Ghz) with 4GB memory.

      (joke btw)

    6. Re:Not Enough by mlts · · Score: 1

      I'm running the VM I use for Web browsing in a TrueCrypt container (less for security than ease of backups), using VirtualPC, and I also have a Linux VM running under VMWare that is also residing on a TrueCrypt volume.

      Performance on either is a little slower, but if the VM has enough RAM, its not too bad.

      I'd give it a try, you probably won't notice the performance difference for most applications, especially Web browsing.

    7. Re:Not Enough by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      Full Disk Encryption. That is the only answer.

      True, and so easy there's no excuse. Debian 4, and from my understanding Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy due tomorrow, both offer full-disk encryption upon initial installation. It is so easy, why not? Also, because it is so easy and low-cost, I don't understand why enterprise and government don't immediately start a review of laptop OS' and their required client functionality, because of this built-in feature that is a royal pain on Windows.
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    8. Re:Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone has your IP address for the message you posted, and has already traced you back.
      Please. Every GeoIP service I've checked has missed me by nearly ten miles. What's worse, one put me right in the middle of a baseball stadium.
    9. Re:Not enough by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Triangulation errors don't matter with nuclear weapons.

      And if the accuracy is that bad, it means you're in a desolate area, so reversion to a google map ought to do the job, unless you're in a cave. And if you're in the niddle of a baseball stadium, that narrows it down a lot! Mine currently is placed either in NJ, or in a western burb of Chicago, both very far away from my actual locus.

      Nukes wouldn't even do it. But maybe some cool X-files laser-from-the-sky might figure out my latencies and zap me on the spot. No matter.

      That the TSA didn't mandate encryption is a travesty. After all, Security is their middle name.

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    10. Re:Not enough by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Encryption is not perfect. It can be broken. Sigh, you clearly don't get it. Encryption isn't to keep it from being broken. Encryption is to delay access for as long as possible. Any encryption scheme can be brute force cracked if one has the time to do so. A desirable scheme should require the correct key, and make brute forcing the key take centuries. And that is assuming the algorithms are sound and that the passphrase or key is strong enough to do the trick.

      Encryption really shouldn't be thought of as a way of keeping anybody from reading it, it should be though of something that delays finding the embarrassing information encrypted until 200 years after you're dead.

      And to that point, CC numbers aren't very useful if the card has already expired, a SSN isn't particularly helpful if the person who was issued it would be 130 years old. Basically its just a tactic to make it as inconvenient as possible for an unauthorized party to use the data.
    11. Re:Not enough by ehrichweiss · · Score: 1

      You forgot that if the laptop was stolen from a trucker then the thief isn't likely to want to spend the same amount of time on a trucker's encrypted laptop, that may only contain nudie pics the trucker is trying to hide from his wife, as they would one stolen from the FBI where they'd almost be certain of getting something fun to view.

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    12. Re:Not enough by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is one of the many reasons I haven't set foot in an airport since 9/11. Let me guess, another is that your hat sets off the metal detector?
    13. Re:Not enough by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      Every GeoIP service I've checked Unless you've checked the one used by the NSA, your argument doesn't really matter.
    14. Re:Not enough by Daimanta · · Score: 1

      Any encryption scheme can be brute force cracked if one has the time to do so. Actually, that is incorrect. One-time pads and matrix multiplication are both methods that are uncrackable without the key.
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    15. Re:Not Enough by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1

      Except, to give credit where credit is due, Vista Ultimate includes Full Volume encryption functionality as well.

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    16. Re:Not enough by Nephrite · · Score: 1

      Exuse me, could you please provide me with some links on matrix multiplication cryptanalysis? That information on it's unbreakabilty is completely new to me. Thanks in advance.

    17. Re:Not Enough by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      Ahh, pre-boot authentication... You'd think that any company requiring laptops to have full disk encryption would want that. Not, apparently, where I work. My full-disk-encrypted laptop boots all the way to the Windows login prompt without asking for anything, even though there's a device driver loaded extremely early on. I know it's not talking to the company server either, because it'll boot at home with no network access whatsoever.

      I wouldn't be too terribly surprised to find that people with desktops have encrypted disks too.

  8. Contractors by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, it's Lockheed.

    1. Re:Contractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This would surprise me, as I know at least in my division of Lockheed all laptops have mandatory full disk encryption. Posted as anonymous for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:Contractors by frankwatkins · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, Lockheed Martin can only do what the prime contractor (IBT) directs and pays for. I think someone else noted this in another thread.

  9. this should read by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We don't want people knowing how much crap happens at a typical bridge, or airport. So only autherized personal should have access to the data. Hmm, my ignorance is comforting as I type this.

  10. You can't believe how sad... by WED+Fan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That these kind of measures are retroactive instead of proactive.

    Yeah, I installed TruCrypt today so I could encrypt my drive yesterday.

    Uh, dude, I think you mean "reactive".

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    1. Re:You can't believe how sad... by techpawn · · Score: 1

      descriptive of any event or stimulus or process that has an effect on the effects of events or stimuli or process that occurred previously
      Having people start to encrypt because of stolen laptops is a retroactive solution to the problem of the wild data
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    2. Re:You can't believe how sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having people start to encrypt because of stolen laptops is a retroactive solution to the problem of the wild data

      Except that this won't magically encrypt the data that was stolen, therefore it has no effect on the "effects of events" that occurred previously.

    3. Re:You can't believe how sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it did change policy for all other laptops

  11. Windows by WED+Fan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Can we have someone post something to the effect "that if MS weren't so evil, they'd encrypt the drive already and we wouldn't have this problem"?

    For gods' sake, people, this is /., if you don't post about how this is MS evil doing, entropy will set in.

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    1. Re:Windows by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      If MS preencrypted the drive, the default pass word would probably be something like MSr0cKs01 or something and it would never be changed and most likely useless.

      There, is that good enough for you? I know it sort of slams the users too but what the hell, it is a slow news day.

  12. The norm for govt. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 2, Informative

    As someone who works for a govt contractor (state & local govt, not federal), ironically in the security field lately, I've noticed that retroactive measures for security lapses are generally the norm, and not the exception. The govt organizations themselves are too cheap to do security right in the first place, and many contractors are too greedy to include proper security measures in their govt projects since those will cut into their profits. Fortunately, my employer has a clue and we don't suffer from such moronism, but we sure see a lot of it when we have to come in and finish or repair a system implementation that a prior contractor botched up.

    1. Re:The norm for govt. by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 1

      I work for a federal agency and I see a lot of "stepping over dollars to pick up dimes" when it comes to security. We have CAC authentication and there is now talk of all hard drives being encrypted, while everyone carries around a flash drive full of contractor information and a pst file. It feels like we are going through the motions just so a director can have a nice bulleted list of how secure we are. There is plenty of talk about security with government agencies, but very few properly implement even basic security practices.

  13. Don't forget! by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Always put the password somewhere near your laptops in case you forget it. Security is aight, but there's nothing worse than forgetting your password!

    1. Re:Don't forget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YA!!!11!!one! liek puting it on a stikee note on da screenz. secyooritee ftw!@1!!

    2. Re:Don't forget! by rk075456 · · Score: 1

      yes you right, nothing is worse than forgetting your own password.

  14. And it seems... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

    Due to the problem with most computers NOT being able to offer full HD encryption, to use a X86 emulator (like VirtualBox) with an encrypted directory via TruCrypt.

    That problem is it does NOT provide good stego. I've went over that before, but there's a way to prove by contradiction that there is a likely chance of hidden partitions in data.

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    1. Re:And it seems... by jojo1835 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What they should be looking at is VMware's ACE product. Built in encryption, security policies, and the ability to expire a VM after a certain amount of time. Add to that the ability to lock out USB devices and un trusted networks, and you have a pretty cool product.

      I'm not as concerned about the laptops being lost as I am about contractors keeping the data on their laptops as long as they like.

      Tim

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    2. Re:And it seems... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      ---What they should be looking at is VMware's ACE product. Built in encryption, security policies, and the ability to expire a VM after a certain amount of time. Add to that the ability to lock out USB devices and un trusted networks, and you have a pretty cool product.

      And I dont see an easy to maintain that kind of security with exception of TPMs. They support remote network control as you describe.

      If I was attacking that kind of setup, I'd extract the HD partitions to my emulator (yes, a real ICE) and proceed to crack the passwords. Once I have the passwords, I'd go towards the VM, while rolling back times to last known access (by checking T/D stamps on windows system files).

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    3. Re:And it seems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If I was attacking that kind of setup, I'd extract the HD partitions to my emulator (yes, a real ICE) and proceed to crack the passwords. Once I have the passwords, I'd go towards the VM, while rolling back times to last known access (by checking T/D stamps on windows system files).

      You really need to put that into non-gibberish english. Cracking the passwords of the host OS is the easiest part -- you get zero points for that one. How are you going to attack the VM? Does VM expiration just use the system clock?

    4. Re:And it seems... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Im assuming high hostility against a federal machine. So, no, the host password will NOT be easily extracted. You know.. SysKey, encrypted ~/windows directory, encrypted user directories... Not fun. To combat that, you use an ICE. In Circuit Emulator.

      Next the VM... Yes, you could roll back the clock, but how would one prevent that simple of an "attack"? Record via signed encrypted file when the last time/date access was. Ok.. so now we can just 'freeze' the VM so restart starts with those very files at that exact time.

      The question is "How can we verify accurate and precise time in a VM?" The answer here is that the VM needs to have a secret that is shared with a trusted server, however one must also have trusted access to the CPU to verify that no tampering takes place during the critical connection. To combat replay attacks, the VM client could send a very fine granularity time (say HH:mm:ss:SSS) and request a response using this time. Any significant deviancy from this timebase would seal off the VM.

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  15. German truckers out of luck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't take your laptop through a German airport now...

  16. "Only a small chance"? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Be serious here!

    You steal a laptop. If you're not a complete dimwit, you first of all check what you got. So you boot the thing up and notice that you have a government laptop in your hands.

    Question for 100: Do you want to know what's on it? Let's even assume you don't know jack about computers, but do you want to know what's on the box?

    Now, it's fairly trivial to get information out of a hard drive and restore deleted information (unless it's been overwritten, where it becomes less trivial). A halfway informed person with a bit of knowledge is enough, you don't need a forensic expert. All you need is the usual program(s), downloadable at leisure. And presto, instant information recovery.

    The question is not whether information can be gained from the laptop, the only question is whether the thief has the brains to use it. That he has access to it without any hassle is a given. The only thing that matters is whether he knows a fence for information rather than just hardware.

    And yes, those people exist...

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    1. Re:"Only a small chance"? by s31523 · · Score: 1

      The question is not whether information can be gained from the laptop, the only question is whether the thief has the brains to use it.
      Or the motivation... There is a good chance the thief just took his/her booty to a pawn shop and sold it. The person who ends up buying the laptop from the pawn shop will most likely pop the latest Ubuntu Boot CD in and re-format (only a geek would buy a used laptop from a pawn shop). The laptop could have contained the answer to who really killed Kennedy, but, now it is really gone!

      Seriously, the TSA is having a hissy about a few laptops that got stolen, but the reality is that probably hundreds of laptops get stolen everyday, these jack-asses were just unlucky and probably not the victims of precise targeting by a terrorist. In my opinion the value of "sensitive" data becomes lost when the people that created it know it has been leaked. So if you want to steal sensitive data you want to make sure the owner doesn't know you stole it, i.e. wait for a moment to strike, boot the laptop, steal the data, then leave. No one is the wiser...
    2. Re:"Only a small chance"? by squidfood · · Score: 1
      So you boot the thing up and notice that you have a government laptop in your hands.

      And if it's from one of the smart gov agencies that followed policies since the SSA lost some laptops, you may or may not notice that through BIOS it's phoned home provided it's been reported stolen, and you've got full disk encryption on your hands. Have fun!

      The real question is why "smart" doesn't seem to extend to TSA and their contractors. Agency I contracted for mandated that over a year ago.

    3. Re:"Only a small chance"? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You steal a laptop. If you're not a complete dimwit, you first of all check what you got. So you boot the thing up and notice that you have a government laptop in your hands.

      You're forgetting that most smash 'n grab thieves *are* complete dimwits. They're going to take the box to the pawn shop for cash for their next hit of a controlled substance. They couldn't undelete a file to save their life.

      If someone has the wherewithal to undelete files and sell the contents to the Russian Mafia, they're not going around stealing random laptops.

      And if it's a targeted hit, then they're probably smart enough to guess that your password is "18wh33ler".

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    4. Re:"Only a small chance"? by nilbud · · Score: 0

      You're only talking about time sensitive data, 3,500 home addresses and social security numbers isn't such an easy one to change. Can you imagine how much a custom mud-flap maker would pay for that list.

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    5. Re:"Only a small chance"? by mlts · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thieves are getting smarter though. Its on the news often how the data stolen on a laptop was worth millions. Even the local "swipe and run" guy at the university prowling the library for people who briefly leave their laptops unattended are becoming aware that the data on the laptop is just as valuable if not more than the hardware itself, so they will be more likely to find a partner in crime to extract the data from it for either selling to someone else for ID theft, or just outright extortion. If a thief can't use the info, there are people who they can sell it to who can.

      Even if its a personal laptop with nothing more sensitive than Facebook cookies, that is still valuable info to a thief.

      I strongly urge anyone with a laptop to spend the $100 or so and buy a decent WDE (whole disk encryption) program. There are a number of good programs out there to choose from. I personally use (on different machines, of course) PGP, Jetico's BestCrypt, and MySecureDoc, and found them all to be pretty much install and forget (other than providing the passphrase at boot.) PGP and Jetico both offer eToken support for added security, so someone stealing the laptop would have to have the eToken, the laptop, and the password of the eToken to obtain any useful info.

      One feature of Jetico's offering I like is the fact that you can install it on a BartPE CD, which makes recovery of a damaged, encrypted filesystem a lot easier. You do not need to decrypt the volume completely, just mount it, and do the repairs needed.

    6. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the same token, the smash-n-grab junkie isn't going to reformat the drive and prep it to be fenced out to an end user, either. When it falls into the hands of somebody smart enough to do that prep work, chances are awfully good that that somebody will be smart enough to know it's worth checking what info the laptop already contains.

      Chris Mattern

    7. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Thinking like a real slashdotter. Remember that jury guy in the RIAA case that hadn't used the Internet? Well, most of the drifters, hobos, junkies, pickpockets and others doing most of the petty theft often don't really strike me as anywhere near qualified or interested. They're interested in moving it for some quick cash either to a fence or online, if sophisticated enough at that. That means the only thing they care about is not having a big "STOLEN" sign all over it, and it's plausible to format it to protect your data. And even if they do have the skills, there's something to the time value of money - how often are you really going to find something that translates to hard cash? Even if you found something it probably involves breaking & entering, blackmail, fraud etc. that'll take a lot of time, effort and risk. Most just want to KISS and keep a good cash flow going.

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    8. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Wiping a laptop without first checking its contents? Are you nuts? Especially a Geek would do anything to sniff around the HD, if only to add to his blog how a company sold a laptop without properly wiping it.

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    9. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but is his fence a dimwit? Few are, believe me that. A trader in used goods of shady sources has to be pretty smart or he won't be in business for long. And they usually smell a chance for more money if there is one.

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    10. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, but he will probably not try to sell it himself. He will take it to some shady pawn shop, where the owner may have a lot more experience how to make the most out of the crap that comes to him, what parts he can sell and for how much.

      And that "parts" includes the information.

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    11. Re:"Only a small chance"? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that most smash 'n grab thieves *are* complete dimwits. They're going to take the box to the pawn shop for cash for their next hit of a controlled substance.
      Agreed, but don't discount the pawn shop owners, or whomever buys the laptops from those pawn shops. You'd be surprised at how organized small crooks can become. Take for instance the Nigerian scammers, apparently there is an informal market of Nigerian scammers selling and trading leads with each other. So it doesn't matter if a scammer lives in Africa, he can try to scam you, and if you take the bait, he can resell your information to someone who specializes in the banking transaction part of the scam, and then that scammer can take it a step further and resell your information to another scammer who lives in the US and who has access to limousine he can show up in. And so on, and so on.

      Another better example might be copper. These days, we have lots of thiefs destroying and stealing copper plumbing and devices with copper in them so that they can resell those parts for pennies on the dollar to the copper industry (it's a real waste). Now, those thiefs may be dimwits and meth-addicts, but apparently they don't need to know how to melt copper or to know how to recycle copper to make money on it, they just need to resell the used copper to the right person, who will then in turn sell it to the right person, and so on and so on. So coming back to our original discussion regarding laptops, whoever belongs at the top of such a food chain, it will be his job to maximize the dollar amount on each laptop stolen, and one can't automatically assume such a person is not going to have the knowledge necessary or the incentive to harvest your information on your hard drive so he can resell it somewhere on the open market.
    12. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You steal a laptop. If you're not a complete dimwit, you first of all check what you got. So you boot the thing up and notice that you have a government laptop in your hands."

      Actually, I'd say if you boot it up, you are a complete dimwit. Seriously, a lot of computers nowadays have location tracking software installed, or built right into the BIOS in some cases, that as soon as it can find an Internet connection, calls into a central server owned by a recovery service.

      I wouldn't steal a laptop, but if I did, I'd either boot it from a boot-CD, and try to analyze the drive for recoverable data that way, or pull the hard drive completely and hook it up to a computer I trust, that boots off of my own hard drive, and uses the stolen drive as a non-boot device. Less chance for it to phone home that way. Also, gets me around the problem of having to know the username/password to login to Windows/Linux if I booted the system up on it's own.

    13. Re:"Only a small chance"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck would you connect it to the internet? Meth-heads are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.

  17. Now that got me thinking by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So even though [there's only a] small chance of [the data being misused], we did notify all affected individuals and advised them of what steps to take to protect themselves, and we mandated that contractors need to encrypt any and all data in addition to any deletion procedures that might be in place

    The data that goes out, why spend incredible efforts tracking every action of the victims in case it's a fraud.. versus, invalidating the data that went out?

    Your social security number was leaked because of the government? The government changes your social security number, fixes their data, and the old one remains as a trap waiting for some fraudster wanna be try and use it.

    1. Re:Now that got me thinking by faloi · · Score: 1

      The data that goes out, why spend incredible efforts tracking every action of the victims in case it's a fraud.. versus, invalidating the data that went out?

      Because, right or wrong, that social security number is your magic number. It sounds simple to just invalidate it and get a new one. And if it were more like a credit card, it would be that simple. You run the risk of having to update one or two automatic payments out of your account, and that's about it. To get your social swapped, a bunch of government agencies would have to co-operate. Which is a pretty big issue on its own. Credit reporting agencies would have to be notified, banks, employers...darn near everybody you've ever done business with.

      On the one hand, it's nice to say "they hosed it up, they should have to eat the cost to fix it," but the total cost would be enormous. Perhaps not in this case, but consider the case where the DoD wasn't sure exactly which vet's info might've gotten out into the wild. You're talking about the government, the same people who one way or the other screwed up the first time, having to track and change info for every person that is in, or ever has been in the military. And it has to be done properly. My info may or may not have been part of the info that was compromised, and I'd rather have them reimburse me for any losses that I might suffer than jump head long into my life and mix everything up if there's no need.

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  18. As a Government Contractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have to say that everybody is all for encrypting your laptop until you realize what that means. For us we are running Pointsec (or as some people call it, PointSuck) on every laptop in the company. It's annoying because Pointsec is a dog to install and about 1 in 10 people who do end up having it crash before it reaches the magical 1% and have to rebuild their machine from scratch. They say it doesn't affect disk performance, but it is yet another layer of overhead that makes the Core2Duo based Laptops we use now take 10 minutes to boot up (10 minutes until the disk dies down and it's usable at least, thanks to Symantic, ZoneAlarm, Patch Checker, Radia, etc...) and not feel any faster than the previous generation laptops.

    It has been especially annoying for my department because we have lots of older hardware (like Sony Vaio Picturebooks that are really nice for portable testing, and Sharp Zaurus SL-C7xx series linux boxes that we really have no way of encrypting, and must plant clear instead, even though they'll never have any kind of vital information on them). Not to mention all of the people who are in to dual booting (we now use VMware a lot instead, although VMware has several issues that make it annoying, the most basic of which is the clock drift). It's also been a pain for our laptop re-imaging system (which is basically dead now)

    In the end I'll be glad if my main work machine is stolen since I'm pretty sure Outlook doesn't encrypt anything and I have confidental information on it, but the cost is a lot higher than the price of one copy of Pointsec.

    1. Re:As a Government Contractor by mlts · · Score: 1

      I personally have not used PointSec, but I have had excellent results with other encryption programs, where you install, encrypt the boot/system volume (PGP can journal the encryption so a cold power failure won't juice the data), then not worry about it other than punching your password at bootup.

      Performance wise, I've not noticed any slowdown (the bottleneck is the HDD rather than the encryption layer.)

      Please don't discount WDE programs in general because one of them is underperforming. I have used WDE programs for years [1] and have had very few instances of catastrophic data loss where the program caused nothing on the HDD to be recoverable. However, I do make sure to do backups often just in case.

      [1]: IANAMF (I am not a Mac fanboy), but what is ironic is that Macs around 1989 were one of the first machines to have complete WDE utilities like Fileguard, A. M. E., Empower, even FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit which automatically loaded the encryption driver on any SCSI hard disk plugged in. To this day, I still have not seen anything as secure as Casady & Greene's A. M. E.

    2. Re:As a Government Contractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. Pointsec is the death of your machine. Since our company installed it (Big three-initial-corporation) we've been losing disks right, left and center.

    3. Re:As a Government Contractor by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I was a contractor for over a year at a financial institution using Pointsec. There were three problems that I noticed.

      First, it effectively rendered the machine single-user. It's perfectly possible for a Windows machine to have multiple users, each with their own passwords, but either Pointsec can't do this or wasn't configured to.

      Second, when a disk goes it's apparently unrecoverable. I had one laptop get trashed for some reason during a central software install. It would start Pointsec, but then could not boot into Windows. Since it couldn't boot into Windows, it couldn't do anything with the encrypted data, so there was no possibility of booting into anything else and trying to find out why it wouldn't boot into Windows. I expected IT to wipe the drive and re-image, but I was told that wasn't legal: since this was a financial institution, they couldn't destroy data by wiping disks before backing it off onto something, and of course they couldn't back it off, because there was no possible way to read it. I wound up with a loaner for quite some time. I don't know what they finally did with the laptop; did they just swap out disks?

      Third, it meant that I couldn't borrow an unused desktop while waiting for IT to do something, since the guy who had it couldn't remember the Pointsec password. This wasn't a permanent thing, since IT could use some sort of administrative password (and, of course, such passwords need to be guarded very well, so we couldn't have access), but it reduced me to frustrating idleness for a few hours. (Of course, if somebody had had a spare machine, and had known the password, I'd have to be careful about leaving the computer, since if it went into screensaver while I was logged in as myself I couldn't get it back into Windows.)

      Full-disk encryption is a neat idea, but I haven't seen an implementation without serious problems yet.

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  19. In Soviet Russia........ by y86 · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russian laptop encrypts you!

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia........ by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "In Soviet Russian laptop encrypts you!"

      Also in Soviet Russia.... they know how to make 'In Soviet Russia' jokes.

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    2. Re:In Soviet Russia........ by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 1

      That's stupid. "In Soviet Russia" is supposed to contain some amount of wit, not just any random sentence reversed.

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  20. Oh, and don't drop big heavy objects on your head by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    Guess some people have to be told what should have been obvious.

  21. Easy encryption, but not with Windows by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Informative

    The latest versions of Puppy Linux have an easy-as-pie way to encrypt everything. Just burn a CD, boot from it, then at shutdown you're prompted to save your session. You can save to the hard drive or any other storage device, and you have the option to encrypt the data.

    Boot from the CD, and it'll find and load the data you stored. Enter your password (correctly, one would hope) and go. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

    Of course, you can't use your insecure Windows "helpers". But if they were *really* concerned about data security... well, I won't go *there*.

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    1. Re:Easy encryption, but not with Windows by Curate · · Score: 1

      Not with Windows??? Did you know that Vista (Enterprise and Ultimate, but not Home) comes with a full-disk encryption feature called BitLocker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitlocker)?

  22. Ch-ching! by bug · · Score: 2, Informative

    The TSA can issue orders like that until it is blue in the face. If it ain't in the contract, and it ain't in the Federal Acquisitions Regular (FAR), then the only way this happens is if TSA (in other words, the taxpayer) chooses to *pay* for it to happen.

  23. Effective solutions? by WPIDalamar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are there any real-world effective laptop encryption solutions?

    Encryption requiring a simple password:
        They key space will be limited making for easy cracking.

    Encryption requiring a sufficiently complex password to avoid above:
        The password will be too hard to remember so people will write it down... on a sticky note on the laptop.

    Encryption requiring an external device to supply complex key:
        This will fail because many people will either attach the device to the laptop, or keep it in the same bag as the laptop.

    I guess the simple password solution is the best since it would at least require a degree of technical expertise from the thief to get around.

    1. Re:Effective solutions? by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

      I'd say use a fingerprint scanning device. I rarely saw anyone put a finger in a laptop bag, and the key has to be programmed before the laptop gets lost/stolen.

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    2. Re:Effective solutions? by jandrese · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of the military is going towards the CAC Card, which is good because since it is your badge you have to take it with you when you go somewhere (you can't just leave it plugged into your workstation when you stand up to go somewhere, because eventually a guard will stop you and ask why you're not wearing your ID, and then you're in trouble).

      Now they have a lot of issues with their implementation currently, but the underlying concept is a good one.

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    3. Re:Effective solutions? by mlts · · Score: 1

      The best compromise for this I've seen is a hardware token. Of course, people are likely going to keep it in the same container as the laptop, but most hardware tokens can be configured to render themselves inoperable after a number of wrong password attempts.

      Now, even if someone has the token and the laptop, they have 3-15 tries to guess the password on the token, and usually that password is 8 characters or more.

    4. Re:Effective solutions? by cadeon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Are there any real-world effective laptop encryption solutions?

      Are there any real-world effective encryption solutions, period?
      Encryption, overall, is a slippery slope of hate and doom. The only way (currently) to encrypt something is to use a key that's long enough to take a 'really really long time' to guess. Unfortunately, 'really really long time' shortens with growing processor power.

      It wasn't all that long ago that we were using 40bit encryption for online banking. . . now that's unthinkable, we're using longer keys . . . with longer keys comes more overhead, and we're not any closer to a real solution to the encryption problem.

      Expoential systems cannot exist in perpetuity. We need to come up with a new system for encryption or have fewer secrets, I'm a fan of the latter.

    5. Re:Effective solutions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safeguard Easy from Utimaco

      I deployed it two years ago. Full drive encryption, with pre-boot passwords enabled. Failed attempts at the pre-boot password causes an increased delay prior to the next attempt, and it just keeps increasing the delay which means that brute force attempts won't work, oh you also need to guess the ID as well as the password.

      Very ugly experience for users when they forget their pre-boot passwords, but if you want real security...

    6. Re:Effective solutions? by dhavleak · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are some solutions. I'm mostly aware of those in the windows world, but from reading this thread I'm sure there are others from third-party vendors as well.

      You're dead right that encryption requiring a password (simple or complex) is easy to crack -- that's a gimmick, not true security.

      Encryption using an external device isn't really necessary though. This line of thought actually confuses two separate issues -- Authentication, and Encryption.

      The Authentication part (as I'm sure you're aware) is more about "Are you who you say you are". This can be done with your standard challenge response (user and pass), biometrics, or a hardware solution (such as smart cards). All have thier pros and cons and depend on educating users on the correct procedures. Biometrics are insecure for a variety of reasons (won't get into it here), user/pass is insecure for another variety of reasons. Smart cards of course can be stolen/borrowed/lent but they at least have a password (or Pin) as well. At this point, they seem to be one of the safer Authentication methods.

      Then comes the Encryption part of it. Most encryption schemes are going to use some sort of symmetric key algo, and some block ciper algo. There are tradeoffs to be made between speed, random access, and security, and an algo should be chosen (or will already have been chosen by the tool you are using) depending on the purpose you are using the system for.

      Now comes the part where you are trying to decide how to keep that symmetric key safe. Naturally, anyone with access to that key has access to your document. But you want to distribute it to people who you want to give access to your document. That's the key management part, and honestly this is the tricky part.

      Before giving any user a key, you want to make sure that they should indeed have a key. (i.e. whoever protected the document, has given access to the person requesting). You want to make sure that the process requesting the key is not running in a debugger (otherwise it's game over right there -- they can just step to the point where your data is decrypted and get a dump). You want to make sure they are not running in a hypervisor (game over for the same reason). There are various obfuscation techniques that can do this with varying levels of success. You also want to make sure that the process requesting they key is going to play nice. (i.e. what if I write a program that uses the encryption API, following all the rules etc., but once it decrypts the data it merely dumps it out in plain text). There are ways of doing this, that are roughly the same as using a digital signature on a module. i.e. you can have an authority with a cert-chain, that tests apps and signs them into their chain if they find that they behave nicely. So if an app's signature roots to that certchain, you know the app behaves nicely, and the app has not been compromised.

      The code-signing, key management etc. stuff is always based on PKI (or it should be). Any information protection system that does not do good key management, obfuscation to guard against debuggers etc, use a good (well-reviewed) algo and block cipher for encrypting the data is a toy and should not be used if your data is really sensitive.

      Etc. Etc.

      Basically, depending on how sensitive your data is, there are various systems that already fit the bill for the TSA. I am at least aware of RMS (encrypts ms office docs and email for example, in a domain environment - essentially works only with RMS-aware apps such as ms-office and outlook), EFS (encrypts marked folders in a file system), and Bitlocker (encrypts complete volumes) from Microsoft. I know about PGP/GPG but I'm less familiar with non-MS solutions (perhaps others could reply here? there have been many mentioned in this thread already).

      One interesting thing to note. The underlying infrastructure of information protections systems is basically 99% identical to DRM systems. And the drawbacks are similar as well. None of the systems are uncrackab

  24. Mod Parent Informative by mpapet · · Score: 1

    Generally, a very informative post that generally conforms with my experience.

    the govt organizations themselves are too cheap to do security right in the first place,
    Most of the orgs comply on paper, but operationally its pretty bad.

    and many contractors are too greedy to include proper security measures in their govt projects since those will cut into their profits.

    The blame goes both ways. I've been in situations where good security was seen as not necessary by the agency. There is also the nasty problem of politics winning the bid instead of specs/price/service. And yes, the contractors cut corners.

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  25. Encrypt the drive by Skapare · · Score: 1

    Encrypt the drive ... except for a partition or flash module with enough of the OS to get started and prompt for the drive key password.

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  26. Theft OR loss? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

    I like how TFS says "theft OR loss". Which one is it? Are they trying to shrug off accountability or are they just idiots?

    1. Re:Theft OR loss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they trying to shrug off accountability or are they just idiots?

      Yes.
    2. Re:Theft OR loss? by kiore · · Score: 1

      Overall it's probably theft and loss.

      For each individual laptop it is either theft, or it is loss.

      For some laptops it isn't known which.

      Some laptops may have even have been both lost and stolen.

      Then there's Schoedinger's laptop ...

  27. Even More Sad by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    Having people start to encrypt because of stolen laptops is a retroactive solution to the problem of the wild data

    Wrong, Sparky. "REACTIVE" is the word. But, thank you for playing. Johnny will tell you what your consolation prize is...Tell him what he won, Johnny!

    Johnny: A dictionary...Now, look that up in your Funk and Wagnel.

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  28. Not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encryption is not perfect. It can be broken.

    How about this: don't drive around with laptops full of sensitive data.

    I don't care if downloading the data to a laptop is cheaper; it puts me at risk! If you are going to be handling my data, then I demand that you take better care of it.

    Not that my demands mean anything at all. This is one of the many reasons I haven't set foot in an airport since 9/11.

  29. Truecrypt! by NitroWolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    I use Truecrypt to encrypt a partition on a drive and store all of my documents there. It's transparent to the user, once you've mounted your volume(s) and it's pretty danged fast, too. You can do encryption with Twofish, Serpent and AES or a cascading combination of them. Pretty damned secure, opensource and free.

    You can even encrypt a whole device. If you do that, it just looks like a blank volume and a thief won't even know there is data on the volume to be decrypted.

    1. Re:Truecrypt! by mordeith · · Score: 1

      what about bootlocking or drive locking....is that gonna help with security....

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    2. Re:Truecrypt! by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

      TrueCrypt is an excellent program, the devs have put a lot of thought into every aspect of security. I use it for encrypting external drive volumes completely so if someone does a smash and grab on my stuff, they will end up with hardware, but the data is protected by a passphrase and a keyfile stored on the (WDE encrypted, using a hardware token) boot drive.

      The biggest thing to remember with TrueCrypt, if you lose the first 1024k or so of an encrypted volume, you have completely lost the volume because the first part contains the encryption key (or keys) for the rest of the data. ALWAYS back up the volume headers (they are encrypted with the same mechanism as the volume itself, so they just need to be stored safely) of all critical volumes.

      Of course there will be people saying that "I don't use encryption programs, I have nothing to hide." That is analogous to saying "Don't have a front door as you might has something to hide." Its not the governments these programs are for (most governments can obtain the decryption key via other means including a rubber hose), its thieves. These days, TrueCrypt and other security programs are highly necessary to keep a $1000 laptop from becoming a loss of many thousands in ID theft.

    3. Re:Truecrypt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until Microsoft actually documents, and proves, that they don't copy my encrypted files into a temporary directory, some index, the registry or whatever, I wouldn't trust TrueCrypt on Windows.

      Yes, I use TrueCrypt on my XP laptop. But for all my personal stuff, I use NetBSD with cgd. With that, I know what is going on.

      Encryption doesn't mean anything, if your OS suddenly decides to copy half of the file onto an unencrypted partition because of some "indexing service".

    4. Re:Truecrypt! by mlts · · Score: 1

      Boot locking, as in setting a hard disk password in the security section of BIOS?

      Setting a hard disk password (all IDE and SATA hard disks made since 2001 or so have the ability to require a password before access is granted) is decent security, however how truly secure it is, is debatable. Some people have claimed there are backdoors and universal passwords, others have claimed that only a low level recovery service that has the clean room and tools to look at the actual bits stored on the platters can access the data.

      Password recovery is also different. Some laptop vendors have a way to unlock a password locked hard disk, if you provide them the "challenge" serial number from the hard drive ID. Other laptop vendors will just shrug and tell you you are out of luck.

      Because the ATA password locking is not definite, I use WDE. I then know that the data is encrypted, and not just protected with a system that could just be smoke and mirrors.

    5. Re:Truecrypt! by mordeith · · Score: 1

      ahh mosta the laptops ive had to work on in the last 10 yrs or so have been bootlocked in one way or another....i appreceate your responce...i tell my clients and family to bootlock and drivelock there laptops...wit both #ers n letters...insofar ive not found an easy not destructive way of defeating it....as for backdoor passwords ive riun your typacal library brute force attacks against the usual ones...to no avail....my personal info isnt on hardisk anywhere that isnt truecrypted or somesuch.....what about biometric

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    6. Re:Truecrypt! by maxume · · Score: 1

      When you view your documents, how do you go about making sure that none of the data in them gets shoved into virtual memory?

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    7. Re:Truecrypt! by pev · · Score: 1

      So you've stored your documents on an encrypted partition. What happens to all the "~wrdxxxx.tmp" temp files then? Generally they're in your user or windows's temp directories and probably have all sorts of recoverable juicy info. I'm not convinced that anything other than full disk encryption (pref in hardware) is really worth the effort...

      ~Pev

  30. Windoze indeed! More Welfare for M$ on the Way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that even if you force the security measures in place people will always find a way around it.


    So the requirements will be used to force contractors to buy Vista and use bitlocker. Sure, there are better solutions available using free software and the government has spent all sorts of money on Bastile Linux for just this purpose, but that won't keep Steve Balmer in coke. M$ is having a hard time after the outright rejection by the FAA and DOT, the Fortune 500, higher education, their Wintel press buddies and anyone with a memory. They have to work on less established, less competent and much easier to manipulate and bribe agencies like the TSA, local school districts and so on and so forth.


  31. FDE works too.. by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most Thinkpads support something like Full Disk Encryption. Password in the BIOS, and you can't boot without it. The disk is literally unusable without the password.

    My gig at I%$&#, they had me write my FDE password down and give it to the nice Systems tech. That way, when I left, they could recover the disk and reissue the machine after the usual shredding and wiping.

    Without it, they would have to throw out the drive and buy a new one.

    And yes, you need to remember your password. This you write down and leave at home, or with the Keymaster in the office, or your boss.

    Honestly, this is not that hard.

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    1. Re:FDE works too.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Thats just an ATA password, as enclosed with the ATA spec. That means without that password, the HD motor just doesnt start up.

      All you need is disk microscopy to recover data. Just send it offshore to a semi-legitimate firm for data restoration on backup DVDs. It'll cost a thousand or so.

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    2. Re:FDE works too.. by kasperd · · Score: 1

      The disk is literally unusable without the password.
      I consider that to be a design flaw. It should be possible to change the password without knowing the old one, but of course doing so would mean all data on the disk were lost. But are you really sure the disk encrypted the data? And could you verify the quality of the encryption? Maybe flashing a new firmware on the drive would have allowed you to bypass the protection.
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    3. Re:FDE works too.. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      On the Thinkpad I used, the FDE password was not just an ATA password. the drive it self was encrypted with this, and not having it meant the drive was unreadable on any system.

      I may have mislead you. It isn't a BIOS password, it's a pre-boot password. No password, no boot. It just cycles through another POST and askes for the password after the retries wear out.

      If it were just an ATA password, what good would that do?

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    4. Re:FDE works too.. by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Informative

      My understanding (and we grilled our supervisor on this one - he was good) is that flashing the drive would REQUIRE the password. But even if it didn't, the data is encrypted. If the password is on the drive firmware, flashing it would lose the password and woops, no data.

      This is the hardware encryption scheme - supposedly, even if you put the drive in another Thinkpad, that chip has a different hardware key and even the right password won't decrypt. So it encrypts data onto the drive.

      Yes, you could send it out to be extracted. Then go about breaking the key. We didn't get much guidance on the password, but mine was 8 characters and included upper/lower and symbols. It would be nontrivial to extract the drive and decrypt.

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    5. Re:FDE works too.. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      An ATA password is kept on a certain part of the disk that is normally inaccessible. The HD will not work if you dont provide that ATA password, whether or not you switch machines with that HD.

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  32. Social security numbers by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

    Your social security number was leaked because of the government? The government changes your social security number, fixes their data, and the old one remains as a trap waiting for some fraudster wanna be try and use it.
    Sounds good, but as with credit cards and bank account numbers it still ignores the unfathomable stupidity of requiring you to trust arbitrary third parties (e.g. merchants with whom you conduct business) with information that carries privileges only some of which you'd like to grant.

    The social security number is a unique identifier. It should be used to refer to you, to unambiguously distinguish your identity from someone else's, not be construed as any kind of authentication token. Having power over someone because you know his name belongs in a fairy tale, not a purported security scheme.
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  33. TSA stands for by sheldon · · Score: 1

    Thousands Standing Around

    1. Re:TSA stands for by rinaazlin · · Score: 1

      Transportation security administration. http://www.tsa.gov/

    2. Re:TSA stands for by mzinni · · Score: 1

      What's yellow and sleeps six? A PennDot truck. That's funny here in Pennsylvania.

  34. Who should pay for the identity theft coverage? by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

    "So even though [there's only a] small chance of [the data being misused], we did notify all affected individuals and advised them of what steps to take to protect themselves
    " In my opinion, any company, corporation, organization or government entity that misplaces (through loss or theft) sensitive financial data should be responsible for paying for identity theft coverage for as long as the potentially affected individuals live. Then maybe they wouldn't be so damned quick to store all of that data or just hand it out to every contracter they hire.

    Telling someone "So sorry, we lost a disk with all of your credit-card numbers, social-security number, personal history. We suggest you buy identity theft coverage right away." is total bullshit.

    One of the banks that I used to do business with had 2 laptops stolen with my information on them. They told me they were going to be good enough to *give* me 1 free year of credit protection. I told them that the data on that drive wasn't ever going to *go away* and that they were going to pay for that coverage for the rest of my life. We argued and I basically said that if I ever had my identity stolen, it would come back to haunt them as they had as good as given out my data to whoever stole the laptops. Eventually I got them up to 10 years of coverage, however I let them know that that did not let them off the hook and that if anything happened after that time frame, they would be paying to take care of it one way or another.
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    Who is general failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  35. Bitlocker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Wouldn't a laptop with a TPMv1.2 chipset and Bitlocker fix this? Can't crack the password db since it's encrypted. Only two ways in: stonewall the 40 number recovery key in vitro or guess the luser's password in vivo. Both a tough nut to crack.

  36. Need to make it easier to use encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the biggest problem with using encryption is making it easy for people to use without having to go through a lot of hoops. I recently decided to try to setup an encryption solution on my laptop, because of worries about this sort of problem, and a curiousity to see if I, as a geek, could get encryption in use as easily as I think it should be to do.

      One solution to this is something like PGP whole disk encryption. The problem is, that is something that has to be purchased separately, and in a lot of cases, will slow a person's computer down significantly. Whole disk encryption is not really efficient, as you don't really need to encrypt system files and program files (though it is nice to encrypt the swap file, encrypting most other system files is a bit of a waste - though it might make your system harder to tamper with, I suppose). Dedicated encryption/decryption hardware could take the penalty out of this approach (something like the encryption engine that Via has added to their recent CPUs - gotta hand it to Via for innovating a potentially very useful [even if it seems somewhat obvious, they did manage to be the first, which makes me wonder why Intel/AMD didn't do this long ago] enhancement for CPU hardware).

        What I ended up going with personally was setting up an encrypted virtual drive, using TrueCrypt, as that seems like the currently easiest solution, under windows. Under Linux (I have my laptop setup to dual-boot), I followed a guide to get my home directory and swap partition encrypted with LUKS. Getting that setup seemed like it was harder than it should be, but once it was setup, it seems to work pretty good.

    But, it seems to me that operating system vendors (Microsoft, Red Hat, Novell, Debian, Ubuntu, etc) need to work on making it easier for users to setup to transparently encrypt user data (home directories/profile directories, swapfiles/partitions, etc), without having to encrypt system and program files. When I'm playing a game, I don't want to pay for the performance penalties of decrypting game-related files, which I don't really care if they are encrypted (which also gets into maybe the OS vendors need to figure out a way to come up with virtual memory management systems that allow programs like word processors and spreadsheets to allocate memory that gets paged to encrypted swap, while games and such would allocate on an unencrypted (higher-performance) swap partition/file.

    People won't 'work-around' the encryption once it's easier to use the encryption than to not use the encryption.

  37. Easier than a rubber hose. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait till you mount the encrypted volume, then snatch the computer. . . or covertly record the person entering the passphrase over their shoulder. . . or steal the external device with the keyfile. Encryption can be useful against a random robbery, but if someone knows you use encryption, and that someone is determined, encryption won't do a heck of a lot of good. Doesn't matter if it's government or criminals, they can both do the same things. And if they don't mind going the violence-or-threat-thereof route, and you are still determined, there's always the "You sure got a pretty/nice wife/husband/son/daughter/mother/father. Sure would be a shame if something happened to 'em".

  38. Is Truecrypt really secure? Does it compress data? by KWTm · · Score: 1

    Something funny happened with my Truecrypt today.

    I agree with the parent and sibling postings that Truecrypt is a great program to have, and I use it all the time. I set all my Truecrypt volume sizes to equal 650MB, so that I can burn it to CD-ROM easily (e.g. archived copies of my finances, etc.). The fixed size means that someday I can pick a few of my Truecrypt volumes to include a hidden volume, but most of them won't have hidden volumes --but any attacker can go spin his wheels trying to look for a hidden volume where there isn't any.

    Lately I've been making a lot of backup text/XML files within my Truecrypt volume, approximately some 650MB of text files, but then yesterday something unexpected happened:

    I ran out of room.

    I was surprised because I thought TrueCrypt would have compressed the text files before encrypting them. I had read that files such as text files have low entropy --that is, high predictability-- and thus the cryptographically secure thing to do is to compress them first before encryption, or else it is a cryptographic flaw that makes the encryption more predictable and thus easier to break.

    To be sure, even with this vulnerability, my TrueCrypt volume is probably going to be unbreakable by most standards, but can someone either verify or refute my statement? I had assumed that, for purposes of cryptographic security, TrueCrypt would automatically compress my data, and thus I would be able to stuff a lot more than 650MB of text files into my 650MB volume.

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  39. If everyone used encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If everyone used encryption, would encryption be made illegal? If not made fully illegal, would *more* laws not be passed to criminalize just about anyone who owns a computer because they might be using encryption? I seem to get the sense that government is beginning to fear the general population more and more because of the all the increased access to technology that people have. It is fairly trivial to encrypt one's communication over the internet and I think this quite frankly scares the bejeezus out of law enforcement officials. For that matter, why doesn't Slashdot use https for submitting posts?

  40. ttt... rrr... by Aleksej · · Score: 1

    For a moment, I thought it was "TCPA".

  41. Guilty! by Wolfger · · Score: 1

    Seeing has how the mere act of encrypting data has been used in court to establish guilt, I'm thinking I don't want to be one of the TSA's contractors.

    1. Re:Guilty! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Seeing has how the mere act of encrypting data has been used in court to establish guilt

      Has it been? The only case I've heard of that being alleged was one here in Minnesota, where the prosecution said that somebody who committed whatever crime would almost certainly have an encryption program. It was of no more significance, than, say, car color. If a crime is committed, and the getaway car is described as a blue compact, then if I come under suspicion the fact that I drive a blue compact is relevant. It doesn't establish guilt, and it's no way near enough evidence to convict, but I would expect the prosecution to bring it up in court.

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    2. Re:Guilty! by Wolfger · · Score: 1
      I misspoke, slightly, in my original post. From one of several news articles:

      A Minnesota appeals court has ruled that the presence of encryption software on a computer may be viewed as evidence of criminal intent.
      If the mere presence of encryption software can be used as evidence of criminal intent, it's unethical (and, arguably, criminal) for the TSA to require contractors to encrypt the data on their computers.
  42. Re:Is Truecrypt really secure? Does it compress da by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    TrueCrypt encrypts at the *block* level, not the file level. Whatever the OS tells it to write to a particular block, it writes.

    So format the TrueCrypt partition with NTFS and turn on folder compression if you want additional compression.

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  43. Are You Damn Sure?? by rk075846 · · Score: 1

    well of course it do have bad effects..that's why many people refuse to use it!! for me,as long the laptop is in your eyesight,u will be safe!!