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Infrequent Anonymous Cowards Reliable on Wikipedia

Hugh Pickens writes "Researchers at Dartmouth University have recently discovered that infrequent anonymous contributors, so called "Good Samaritans," are as reliable as registered users who update constantly and have a reputation to maintain. A graph from page 31 of the group's original paper (pdf file) shows that the quality of contributions of anonymous users goes down as the number of edits increases while quality goes up with the number of edits for registered users."

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  1. Not news by Titoxd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unlike what some users may tell you, many anonymous users contribute content and not vandalize. The quality of the edits per se is all over the place, but this is to be expected, as there is no way a new contributor can know all the nuances of the in-house referencing system, or the indications made by the Manual of Style. But they do try.

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    1. Re:Not news by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that this is really all that surprising, people that just do one or two edits aren't typically doing it because the have an investment, they are generally doing it because they found an error.

      Some presumably do deface the pages, but I don't find it terribly surprising that somebody that primarily uses wikipedia would be more reliable than somebody that spends most of their time building a reputation. There's just so much more incentive to fix it if you are using it. That isn't to say that named contributers are inherently bad.

    2. Re:Not news by Whiteox · · Score: 5, Funny

      (By the way, in US english, commas and periods should ALWAYS go inside the quotes.) * Citation Required

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    3. Re:Not news by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am not a registered Wikipedia user, so anything I do is anonymous. I've only made a few (3 or 4) edits to articles, always to fix minor typos or spelling errors I've seen while reading.

      Every time I have done so, it has been rolled back within minutes, which I assume means that registered editors are watching for anonymous changes and removing them no matter what. As a result, my current attitude towards Wiki editors can be summarized with the words "fuck you."

      Hopefully, some of those pricks will read this article and change their attitude, but I doubt it.

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    4. Re:Not news by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The American style is inconsistent. We put question marks and exclamation points inside the quotes only if it is part of the quoted content. Note the difference in these sentences:

      Are you "working a late night"? (Translation: are you sleeping with your secretary? See comment below about terms used ironically.)
      I asked him, "Are you working a late night?" (I asked an innocent question.)

      Similarly, we treat punctuation with regards to parentheses in this way. A period goes inside the parentheses only if it is a complete sentence.

      I am smarter then you (but you knew that).
      I am smarter than you. (My dog is smarter than you.)

      However, the American style says to put periods and commas inside the quotation marks in all cases. I would argue that American usage is simply wrong here, as it is thoroughly inconsistent with all other punctuation combinations. Thus, I make it a point (despite being American) to ignore it and follow the much more rational British rules. The rules for punctuation should logically be determined by whether the punctuation is truly part of what is being quoted or not.

      For example, if I use a term in an ironic way, I might put that in quotes.

      The "nice girl" dumped me yesterday.
      In that context, if that were at the beginning or end of a sentence, punctuation should logically go outside the quotes.

      I got dumped by a "nice girl".

      Putting it inside the quotes implies that you are quoting the period as though "nice girl" were a complete sentence or some reasonable facsimile thereof. It just doesn't make sense. If a wookiee can live on Endor....

      The same holds true if you are using quotes to define new terminology (though this is less frequently done with quotes these days and more frequently done with boldface text or other typographic conventions).

      This type of memory is known as "Random Access Memory".

      This stands in contrast with cases in which punctuation would logically be part of the quote.

      "This is stupid," he said. (The comma takes the place of a period.)
      He said, "This is stiupid."

      But I digress.

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  2. ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    RESPECT ME!

  3. ... and more reliable than Slashdot summaries by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Informative

    That study was published by Dartmouth College. Dartmouth University is an unrelated entity in Canada.

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  4. Or... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at it another way... registered users who are "experts" are no better than the riff-raff.

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  5. At what point do these posters become registered? by Nrbelex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another interesting study might determine how many posts a person usually makes before becoming registered...

  6. well duh by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is to be expected. A lot of people read wikipedia to look up stuff and learn and all that. They never really wanted to edit it though cuz they're lazu. And then when they look up a topic near and dear to their heart like a specific video game or show and find something incorrect or totally lacking and just can't bear to not do something about it. But that's as far as the motivation takes them. I'd assume the majority of editors are like that. Who has like hours and hours to write really good articles all the time?

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    1. Re:well duh by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who has like hours and hours to write really good articles all the time?
      The nuts. The fanatics. The giving-geeks-a-bad-name mom's-basement-dwelling sociopaths
      With all due respect, that is a rather narrow-minded view of the people who spend significant time contributing to Wikipedia. Do you similarly think of people who volunteer their time at soup kitchens as "Nuts. Fanatics. The giving-hard-working-people-a-bad-name social rejects." Or perhaps you think that open-source software coders are "Nuts. Fanatics. The giving-coders-a-bad-name time-wasters."

      Luckily, not everyone views volunteering as a waste of time, or indicative of fanaticism. Many people contribute to Wikipedia because they value information and education. They enjoy challenging their mind. This is their hobby (instead of Sudoku and crossword puzzles), or perhaps even their passion. This is their way of contributing to a greater good.

      We don't want to edit it because we are *adults* with lives and jobs and families and deadlines who want our encyclopedias to be encyclopedias and not some kind of bring-your-own-violin pick-up jazz concert.
      You are more than welcome to ignore the free spread of information and impromptu musical gatherings, and focus on all the important things in your adult life. However it is rather unfortunate that you cannot see the value in what other communities achieve when they willingly devote time from their busy schedules to a communal project.
  7. True on slashdot too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Which is why I should be allowed to accrue karma.

  8. Road to hell paved with good intentions by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I fully admire the eagerness of individual contributors, anonymous or not, to improve Wikipedia.

    Unfortunately, not all edits which are good-intended actually contribute to the overall quality. Of course, edits which fix simple things like revert vandalism, fix a typo, update a number etc, are all good. But the rest pose a potential problem. First off, newcomers, while well-intented, simply do not know the way Wikipedia works. They may include unsourced or poorly sourced material, insert a POV without even realising it, piss off another editor by being careless (and thus start an edit war) etc.

    But even those edits which do not break any Wikipedia rules or guidelines still can cause damage, this time much more subtle. The thing is, a (good) Wikipedia article is not just a collection of facts, even if every single fact is relevant, neutral, sourced, and deserves to be in the article. An article is a unified piece of work. It should flow to the reader, not bump. Information must be properly organized and related to each other. A major suffering of Wikipedia is the so-called "contribution creep", where people just keep dumping more and more facts into the article. The result is grossly disproportional coverage of some sections compared to others, a huge overemphasis on bullet-point lists rather than coherent paragraphs, lots of small factoids which while each good on their own right, do not belong together, parts of articles being outdated compared to other parts, and a lot of other problems which make Wikipedia look like a search result by Google rather than a real encyclopedia.

    Early on, Wikipedia's first priority was to fill its databank with stuff, and all contributions (other than those breaking policy) were welcome. Recently, WP is at the stage of more stringent enforcement of policies, as well as guidelines and styleguides. And by all means, that is very important and should be the first priority. But it's not enough to be a good encyclopedia. Making sure everything is neutral, notable, verifiable, attributed, legal, and formatted according to style, is all sub-article tasks, which you apply to a particular sentence, paragraph, or image. But then you have to pause for a moment and look at an article at the big picture. Does it flow smoothly? Are all sections balanced? Are all parts equally updated? Would an average reader get a proportional representation from the article?

    You can easily handle the sub-article problems (those that break a clearcut policy or guideline) contributions from anonymous edits (as well as non-anonymous edits). But "Contribution creep" is biggest problem to the overall article, where there is no clearcut right or wrong. And that's why, no matter how important anonymous edits are to Wikipedia (and they certainly are), the already developed articles should be marked as "revised" and new contributions screened before updating them. Not because of potential vandalism or policy violations (those are easy to fix), but precisely to manage contribution creep and make sure well-intented contributions don't introduce speedbumps to an article and break its coherent organization and flow.

    1. Re:Road to hell paved with good intentions by Titoxd · · Score: 5, Informative

      You have described the dilemma of the Wikipedia editor/administrator.

      There are edits that are obviously unhelpful; there are others that are clearly helpful. But there is a gray area of edits that falls in between, and for which editors' reactions vary a lot.

      A good example is an anonymous/new editor adding unsourced information to a carefully-sourced Featured article. You can't let the information just remain there, as editors have gone through that page, double-checked the citations and validity of the statements, and generally polished the article to have its prose crisp and clean. But you cannot just revert the edit wholesale, as the edit was not done in bad faith. While sometimes the edits can be fixed, there are many times that the edits are incorrigible, and need to be completely reworked or removed (such as introducing widespread, irrelevant rumors on the biography of a celebrity).

      So, at this time, some editors remove the text, with an explanation in the edit summary. Sometimes anonymous editors read the edit summaries, sometimes they don't. Often they wonder why their text got removed, justifiably so. Some users take that personally and begin accusing us of being "grammar Nazis", or even "suppressors of the truth" (I've heard that one before). But in a way, we're just trying to keep everything in order.

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  9. Re:At what point do these posters become registere by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doing such a study requires checkuser access, which is something only a few people on Wikipedia have. Fortunately, I am one of them. I just sampled ten users out of the new user log. I am assuming a 1:1 mapping between IP and user (that is, that a user made no anonymous edits except with the IP he used to register his account). The number of anonymous edits prior to registeration for each user was:

    A - 0
    B - 0
    C - 0
    D - 2
    E - 0
    F - 0
    G - 0
    H - 0
    I - 0
    J - 0

    In short: most of the people registering accounts had made no edits prior to registering. It's common knowledge on Wikipedia that something like half of all accounts registered never make any edits at all, so this makes sense.

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  10. Oyu? by benhocking · · Score: 4, Funny

    It took me a while to figure out what y'all were talking about, but luckily, Wikipedia knew.

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  11. ease of logging in by sh3l1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I often don't log in when i want to edit an article, because i don't care how my "rep" is, i just want to fix something.

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  12. Re:Of course... by Titoxd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, did you provide a reason why you deleted the content?

    The bots are not infallible. They do catch a ton of the really ridiculous crap that people add to Wikipedia, but they miss some, and have a few false positives as well.

    If you are not some random vandal, one thing that you could (actually, should do, as I strongly recommend it) is that you specify why you remove content in the "Edit summary" box. If you say, "Removing movies unrelated to mafia", the bot leaves you alone, or if someone sees the bot revert your removal for an invalid reasons, they can always revert the bot. I've done that myself many a time.

    Remember: Humans watch the Recent changes feed too. If you provide a reason for the human, the human may leave you alone. Otherwise, you're just a random IP that is removing content for no reason whatsoever, which happens all day, every day. ~~~~

  13. Re:Of course... by Carthag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Look at the edit summary 2. Find the name of the bot that reverted you & click it 3. Find the user who runs the but and go to his page 4. Talk with him. You're way too angry for way too little reason. I'd understand if you got angrty if someone shot your or something, but getting angry over a minor misunderstanding is ... a bit much.