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Can Google Kill PowerPoint?

theodp writes "Far from a PowerPoint killer, Slate's Paul Boutin finds Google's online presentation tool Preso more like a PowerPoint commercial — a half-baked app that shows how powerful Microsoft's program really is. But if you have your druthers, Boutin suggests ditching both and opting for Apple's Keynote, which helped snag an Oscar for Al Gore and inspired this Dear-PPT-Letter. 'The first hurdle ... You can't use it on a plane. Google Preso only works if you've got a live, high-bandwidth Internet connection. You can save the finished product to an HTML presentation on your laptop, but you can't edit the saved version or upload it back. The Splunkers would need to finalize their presos early in the morning in a rented conference room, where both Wi-Fi and Verizon wireless cards have been known to fail. That would kill the presentation.'"

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  1. Oh yeah by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google is going to "fucking kill powerpoint."

    1. Re:Oh yeah by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wouldn't say that, but, when people need to be able to collaborate on and share a presentation, this is a fairly cheap way.
      Wish is was available around a year ago. Had to do a group presentation for a class, divided it, and got all of the project members on Gmail so we could work on it as a Google document.
      The real challenge was American laziness. Punks wouldn't work on it until their backs were against the wall, at which time the old MS Office reflexes kicked in, and we used PowerPuke.
      You can lead the horse to the water, but it had better be a fire-hydrant-delivered enema if it's hydration you're after.

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    2. Re:Oh yeah by Instine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bingo. Its collaborative, cost effective, and a back to basics. If you want to make something slick for TV/film or a crowd that appreciate unnecessary fluff, fine use PowerPuke. If you want to collaborate on, make and deliver an effective presentation to others (I'm sure 99% of presentations are not made on a plane but back at the office) then it is fast and easy and no nonsense. I love it. I hate the completely pointless features in PowerPoint and similar, enticing you to spend hours on a shaded backgrounds, faded transitions and border combinations. Like I say, unless it needs to be visually slick for a TV audience, that time is wasted time.

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  2. Using an online app for presentations a dumb risk. by VidEdit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doing an important presentation that is 100% reliant on perfect internet connectivity is currently a stupid, stupid idea. It might work ok for presentations on your home turf in company meeting rooms but for remote presentations, training and sales it is a totally not yet ready for prime time idea. Someday perhaps, but not today. There are enough things that can go wrong with a presentation without using an on line app.

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  3. Offline Google applications by BrerBear · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wasn't Google getting ready to use its Google Gears plugin to allow offline access to its apps? That includes features like offline storage and resource loading and works cross-platform.

    It doesn't sound like this would be a barrier for much longer.

    1. Re:Offline Google applications by waferhead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps an online presentation app is for those PHBs not bright enough to be able to download and install Openoffice? (Impress)

      It's not Powerpoint.
      OTOH, it's not Powerpoint, and doesn't rely on web access, and is probably 95% compatible with Powerpoint, likely 100% for the most commonly used features.

      I have assembled bit of existing PP presentations into one in OO.org with only minor issues.
      (Being able to simply dump the whole thing to a PDF for the dead tree version is a nice feature as well)

      I have also FIXED borked PP presentations that had crashed powerpoint every time.

    2. Re:Offline Google applications by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does OO.org print the slide as it appears?

      I know with PP I need to save as .jpeg and drop into another program and print lowres versions of the slides (last known incident was with 2000, so PP apologists need not be rude, just tell me it was fixed). Otherwise I would get lame or no background.

      if OO.org prints the final slide as it appears I could actually have a major use for it even though we pay for Office. If I still had some of the troublesome presentations I would jsut test.

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  4. Just kill presentation software by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone else think all presentation software should be banned, on the basis of services to humanity?

    • Slideshows can support effective presentation styles well
    • Most slideshows don't do this
    • Instead they're full of bullets
      • and sub-bullets
      • which don't really add anything
      • and are hard to read while listening to the speaker
      • and often just say the same anyway
    • Instead, we could just go back to explaining things orally
    • Slideshows should be reserved for useful supporting graphics
    • That doesn't mean random clip-art! :-) :-/ }:-)
    • In fact, almost everything promoted and supported by presentation software like Powerpoint is widely acknowledged by communications trainers as a bad thing

    Conclusions: we should just abandon the concept, and save zillions of hours of wasted office time every year.

    (But it won't happen, because it would expose managers who suck.)

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    1. Re:Just kill presentation software by SpeedyDX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not so much a critique of presentation software so much as a critique of how people USE it.

      Whoever sets up the presentations for Steve Jobs, for example, tends to do a pretty good job for his keynotes.

      I personally use presentation software not to present information to others, but as "cue cards" for myself.

      Presentation software has its uses, although I would agree with you that most of the time, it's used very, very poorly.

    2. Re:Just kill presentation software by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not so much a critique of presentation software so much as a critique of how people USE it.

      You're right of course, and my post was meant to be humorous rather than entirely literal.

      However, presentation software is like word processors, only worse: it's one of those things where businesses expect everyone to be able to use it effectively, yet never provide any training. As a consequence, those businesses get information being poorly presented and therefore lose time due to inefficiency. Good presentation style is like good graphic design and typography: the audience doesn't even notice it, they just take in the content efficiently and come away with the intended impression.

      Steve Jobs is, as you noted, an excellent presenter. Most corporate people aren't, as you can tell by the number of insanely overcomplicated diagrams, extensive bullet points, clip art "jokes", and transition effects they manage to cram into what should have been a simple, concise presentation.

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    3. Re:Just kill presentation software by xtracto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does anyone else think all presentation software should be banned, on the basis of services to humanity?

      I do not think so. I am doing a PhD in Multi Agent systems and usually make my presentations in Powerpoint with the Texpoint extension to add LaTex code. In my last two presentations I have used OpenOffice.org Impress with tex2png because I now use Linux for everything in my "work".

      However, some of the best presentations I have seen have been done in LaTex using the Beamer class. However when I tried to use it (some time ago) I found it quite complex (even though I write all my papers and am writing my thesis in Latex...).

      Presentations are a tool, as any other tool it can be used wisely or stupidly. That does not make the tool more or less useful.

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    4. Re:Just kill presentation software by znu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whoever sets up the presentations for Steve Jobs, for example, tends to do a pretty good job for his keynotes


      This article comparing the presentation styles of Jobs and Gates is quite relevant here. (And quite entertaining.)

      Most people treat their slides as a sort of scratch pad. They don't figure out what information they're going to present, then figure out what they have to say and what should go on the slides. They figure out what they're going to say by writing it on the slides. Then they go in and read the slides.

      Doing really first-rate presentations is hard. The vast majority of business types who are expected to give presentations don't remotely have the graphics design or (more importantly) information design skills to do it well. Even when you have first-rate people doing it, it takes quite a lot of time. Supposedly a Steve Job keynote takes weeks to prepare, and there's probably an entire team involved.
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    5. Re:Just kill presentation software by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Seriously, it's not presentations that are the problem, it is a combination of:

      1. Presentation software that offers little more than bullet points and a picture here and there.
      2. Users who have no real training or skill in creating a presentation, but can't find an art department in their company because the manager decided that, with so much presentation software available, why continue paying for people who know how to make a presentation?

      I've seen some really good presentations, created by professionals, that incorporated various visual cues, OLE objects (to render some sort of object in real time), etc. I envision presentations that are somewhat interactive -- for example, embedding a 3D rendering object that allows the use of a mouse to rotate the object and zoom in, so that you can answer questions from the audience and show the 3D model in whatever way is necessary to explain some detail. Or an embedded web page, so that you don't have to stop, pull up a web browser, go to the web page, then switch back to the presentation program, and go back to full screen mode.

      Really, embedded charts are a good start, but don't go far enough. We need to embed objects that can be updated in real time. Sadly, that requires the skill of a professional presentation designer, and like I said, who wants to pay for someone like that when you can just make a bunch of bullets? Seems to be the solution to everything these days: bullets.

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    6. Re:Just kill presentation software by Oddster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't consider your post Funny - if I had mod points, I'd rate you as Insightful. I was going to write a post exactly like yours, but you beat me to it. Powerpoint itself is a powerful communications tool in the hands of a skilled presenter. Powerpoint is a dose of sulfur stench which refuses to exit your nostrils even after leaving the auditorium when in the hands of a poor presenter. Unfortunately, far too many people equate "I can create a Powerpoint slideshow" with "I know how to present to a group of people" and "my presentation is ready." Your presentation is not ready when you make that final save to the PPT.

      The best presentations I have seen (and given) have pointedly not been ones which used Powerpoint, but used pure speech, speech plus whiteboard, or speech plus drawing on transparencies on an overhead projector. Powerpoint handicaps both the presenter's and audience's thought flow by conforming to a rigid structure, where the next point of discussion is always predetermined, which is completely counterproductive to the interactive learning and discussion a live presentation seeks to encourage in the first place. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of communication problems Powerpoint introduces.

      Powerpoint is a bit like an F1 car in that particular respect: Give it to somebody who knows what they're doing in the particular (rare) scenario where it is appropriate, and you may see some incredible feats. Under any other circumstances it will lead to a crash and burn just trying to get off the starting line.

    7. Re:Just kill presentation software by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      No no, we should just ban bullets

      Bullets don't kill presentations, people kill presentations...

      Someone had to say it... I still don't know why it had to be me...

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    8. Re:Just kill presentation software by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally I don't understand why people don't just use html from any of a few hundred WSYWYG web design programs and just throw in a few dozen BLINK tags or flash if they really want to be as annoying as powerpoint. The final grave for any decent presentation is on a web server anyway.

  5. Keynote by NickCatal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to say, and this is after using Powerpoint many times over, Keynote blows PP out of the water. It has to be one of the best applications for the Mac when it comes to real-world usefulness.

    Google's online apps are crap (except Gmail.) I don't want to have to be tethered to an internet-enabled computer all the time, much less use everything inside of a web browser. Word & Excel are great applications (well, the 'ribbon' thing kinda pisses me off) and have really set the bar for office applications. I've tried OpenOffice, NeoOffice, Pages, Omni, etc, etc, etc and I keep going back to Word and Excel. And I don't want to consider myself a Microsoft (or Apple) fanboy at all.

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    1. Re:Keynote by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The individual apps are powerful, no question. They've got a lot of gotchas though. In the case of Powerpoint vs. Keynote, lack of features is a GOOD thing. In the case of some of the other apps it's not, as much, which is why unfortunately I can't use Pages full time.

      Office is definitely powerful, but it lacks polish. For example, I'm writing a paper and I want to make a figure that consists of four graphs. Okay, text box, stick in figures, no problem. But now I want to label them, A, B, C, D. Grab the text tool... oh, can't put text in a text box like that. You used to be able to put it in a frame, but MS decided we don't need frames anymore. Okay, I don't want my figure labels to go wandering off whenever I edit my paper, so I'll take everything out to a layout program like Omini Graffle and make the figure as one big image there. Done. Copy, paste... what? Word decides my figure should be resampled to about 20 DPI. That's not going to work. Save to a file and then insert? Nope, same thing. The only solution I could find was to save a several hundred DPI version then let Word downsample it to a reasonable level. Yuck.

      I'm sure Office is just great for doing things that you absolutely can't do any other way. But for the day to day, common tasks? It always turns into a fight for some reason.

    2. Re:Keynote by toQDuj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yessss. I can help you there, I think :). After giving quite a few presentations in powerpoint, I switched to keynote, because:
          - It handles video much better. I use POV-Ray movies to illustrate the technique I'm using. Powerpoint just can't display it without hiccups.
          - It has a smooth transition called "dissolve" which fades in and out the items and slides in your presentation. I find that this is the least obnoxious of all effects, and doesn't quite "shock" the audience like the effect of having a slide suddenly appear (i.e. when having no transition).
          - It has sane templates, with a sensible colour scheme (i.e. no more than a few different colours, don't make it look like a circus).
          - It gives me a useful "presenters display" in which I see on my laptop screen the slide as it will look like when I click, the current slide, the presentation time and my notes. This prevents me from having to see what's on the slide by turning my back to the audience.
          - Animations in slides are handled much better, I can have much more of them in a slide than in Powerpoint. Editing the sequence is also quite a bit simpler. Thus, I can have a bulleted list of keywords on the left, and an appropriate supporting picture or graph appear on the right of the slide.
          - It supports true transparent images, and vector graphics. I can copy, paste and scale anything from a suitable PDF for example.

      But most of all, it allows you to quickly make slides a la Steve Jobs. I can advise this to anyone: aim for having your slide contain no more than one word, one image, one movie or one graph on a suitably unobnoxious background. Let bulleted lists appear one item at a time, and talk about only the item that is highlighted (the one that appeared last). And remember: the slides are not there for you. They are for the audience.

      B.

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  6. Oh, please... by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "a half-baked app that shows how powerful Microsoft's program really is.

    The main issue w/PPT, in all seriousness, is how it teaches users to haplessly mangle modern communication, ignoring brevity, sowing wordiness, giving birth to new definitions of redundancy...nearing the point of celebrating mediocrity, just because it can.

    PPT makes it soooo easy to generate content - a good thing? Not when 18 slides would do and the user gleefully churns out 32 more. "Can I borrow that ppt template you used to draft a brief for the stockholders..? I have to write up the company picnic announcement..."

    MS has never introduced that concept into PPT authoring, and again, such mindless encouragement is the main issue tossed around when you hear moans from a crowd forced to sit thru all the unnecessary verbiage they knew was coming when the presenter said "Ok, let's take a quick look at the powerpoint I brought along...".

  7. Maybe Presentations aren't for you by Bryansix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nobody should use Powerpoint in the first place unless the presentation is tried and true, and the visual stimulus actually adds value to the presentation. I had so many professors in College who sucked at teaching and the fact that they used Powerpoint just made it worse. It was usually just long winded quotes straight out of the text in a font too small to read on the screen. You would have to go over the powerpoint before class or print it out just to be able to read it thus totally defeating the medium.

    The Point is that people shouldn't be using Powerpoint or anything like it unless they have the time beforehand to make it something usefull.

  8. Summary by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Funny
    Powerpoint

    Strengths

    • Standard
    • Multiplatform
    • Powerful
    Weaknesses
    • Microsoft=Evil
    • Somewhat Expensive
    Preso

    Strengths

    • Free
    • Works OK
    • Google=Good
    Weaknesses

    • Sucks
    • Only Online
    • No Animation ,li>No Image Tools
    • Can't Bet Company On It
    Keynote

    Strengths

    • Better than PowerPoint
    • Lickable
    • Apple=Good
    • Finer Control
    • Create LOL Cats in Record Time
    Weaknesses

    • None. That Shalt Not Question the One and Holy Jobs

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    1. Re:Summary by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Keynote ... Create LOL Cats in Record Time

      And on reflective black glass surfaces! Ooh!

      They're in ur presentation, eating ur clipartz!

      I think I need a shower now. (shudder)

  9. Totally uninsightful review by rmcd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was a review for someone who doesn't read slashdot. There wasn't one subtle point. It's well known that google docs require being online and it's also well-known that google is working to change this. Anyone who has spent five minutes examining the capabilities of any of the Google apps knows they fall far short of Microsoft's software. The "power-point killer" designation strikes me as idiotic for a 1.0 version of a new class of software (browser-based presentation creation).

    Moreover, suitability is all about what you're presenting. Suppose the reviewer had asked a mathematician to do a comparison of these three presentation packages on the one hand with LaTeX/PDF on the other, for the purposes of giving a mathematical talk. I can tell you from experience that Powerpoint is a joke for this purpose. (I'm not a mathematician but I do include a lot of equations in my slides. LaTeX/PDF rocks.)

    Just a few months ago I watched a colleague give a powerpoint presentation and stare in horror at his projected slides because, without realizing it, he had rendered them totally unreadable by using his tablet PC to add last-minute graphics to them (supposedly using the tablet feature as it was intended). You can screw up with Powerpoint too.

    This is the very beginning. The interesting thing to speculate about is what the office suite arena will look like three years from now. I'm betting that Google will, at the very least, shake things up a *lot*.

  10. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by iron-kurton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not just stupid to rely on an internet connection, but also to use BETA versions for anything serious - I can attest to that. After forgetting my DVI converter for my MBP, and borrowing my professor's windows laptop to do a presentation, IE barfed on it, and I had egg on my face during the presentation. Words were cut off, text boxes jumbled, some slides didn't even show. He didn't have FF.

    A fellow colleague offered me her (earlier version) MacBook, but it didn't work in Safari at all. All I got was a blank screen. She didn't have FF either.

    It is a stupid idea to use BETA versions for something even remotely serious. I've learned my lessons: never rely on an internet conncetion, never use BETA software, and never assume that just because it works in Firefox, it works elsewhere.

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  11. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by kisielk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's where the Google Gears technology is supposed to step in and let you bring your content offline. While not yet ready for prime time, I wouldn't be surprised to see it integrated with all the Google Docs applications in the next 6 months.

  12. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by GIL_Dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't even trust the local connection at my office (and this is a campus of 5,000 people). Too many times in the past the proxy server array has come to a halt or even - get this - some jacknut on a backhoe cuts all of the fiber into the complex. Yep - multiple providers giving us access to "the cloud", but the bundles of fiber still come in through one entry point and it has been cut in the past.

    If I was going to do a presentation at all, the whole thing would be local and have absolutely no dependency on a network. I actually DO presentations frequently in front of small audiences (so far up to 300 people) and you always want to have the thing work no matter what. This means multiple notebooks, a couple of memory keys, maybe a copy on CD, and anything that is going to be demo that requires the network should have slides that have a canned copy (or a movie) of the demo. Otherwise you risk leaving the audience not only underwhelmed with your lack of foresight, but also not getting the full benefit of the materials you intended to show them.

    Online only presentation? Not gonna do it; wouldn't be prudent...

  13. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by heinousjay · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you really learned is even more fundamental - it's not done till it's tested. Keep that in mind and you'll go wrong very infrequently.

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  14. Beamer by Verte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..as well. The one argument I've heard against it is that it can't do animations, but honestly, I can't figure out how to add animations to powerpoint 2007 documents either, however that may have to do with the animations I was trying to import [made with Maple]. With that argument gone, Beamer has better support for mathematical formula, makes you organise your document correctly, and looks a lot cleaner, IMO.

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  15. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doing an important presentation that is 100% reliant on perfect internet connectivity is currently a stupid, stupid idea. It might work ok for presentations on your home turf in company meeting rooms but for remote presentations, training and sales it is a totally not yet ready for prime time idea. Someday perhaps, but not today. There are enough things that can go wrong with a presentation without using an on line app.

    While I know it's all the rage to imagine everything from Office to Photoshop as a web app, I simply don't want to rely on having an internet connection for anything that doesn't inherently require it (browsing the web, using ftp, ssh or email, etc). Widespread access to the internet is not universal access to the internet, and connection quality varies so greatly, that I don't want to have my productivity beholden to the whims of the local network (if there even is one) that I happen to be using, and deal with the fact the processing power of my machine has been rendered irrelevant thanks to someone downloading 500 simultaneous HD hentai torrents.

    Even if everything works 100% of the time, it is still an unnecessary layer of vulnerability, and not just from a security perspective, but from a "I can never know for sure that the experience will be the same each time I run the app."

    On my machine, I know a crap app will run poorly each and every time, and that a well-done app will most likely perform as it should each and every time.

    Anytime, anywhere access with predictable performance is something that no online app developer can offer, and I'm not going to move to any of their products because of that.
  16. Re:Using an online app for presentations a dumb ri by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's even worse since everyone seems to be copying a second rate product in the first place.

    Powerpoint is the wrong way to do presentations that are in any way more complex than a slide show. Want to skip back? Hit the back arrow twice or remember the slide number and punch it into the keyboard. Even with dual monitors you don't get much more than the ability to see what's ahead of behind.

    Proper presentation software would give you a proper click able control screen where you can click back and forth.

    I find it somewhat sad that the best way to view power point presentations is actually via Software designed to run a church service

  17. newsflash: Malaria better than Birdflu! by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, presentation software is a scourge, so what does it really matter which one is better?

    The problem is the usual MS phenomenon - you make something apparently easy, so everyone does it, and everyone does it horribly.

    Business letters used to be a lot better in both quality and looks when they were done by secretaries. Today, too many CEOs write them themselves, ignoring that a) their time is too expensive for that and b) they aren't the CEO because they are good at writing letters.

    Some problem with most windos servers and networks - they're owned and broken because you can be hired as a "windos admin" with zero real-life experience at age 20. And many corporate networks are run by people you wouldn't trust to drive a bus.

    And again, same problem with Powerpoint. Because it's so "easy", people who have no clue about how to build a good presentation are doing so. And, not surprisingly, what they build sucks. I've seen business/sales presentations done by high honchos that I would've hit any of my people over the head for.

    So for 99% of the people who use powerpoint, it really doesn't matter. No matter what tool you give them, they'll create crappy presentations with it.

    And the other 1% don't use powerpoint anyways.

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