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Blogger Wins 1.5 Year Legal Battle

FixYourThinking writes "After nearly one and a half years of harassment from a relentless attorney, it seems that quietly a blogger in South Carolina has won a monumental ruling in favor of bloggers. In a summary judgement requested by the Defendant, Philip Smith was able to obtain a special sanction after the Plaintiff attorney put a 'notice of lien' (called lis pendens) on Smith's residence. The judge also reprimanded the Plaintiff attorney for abusive deposition and court procedure. The case set forth the following; 'It's not the format; it's the content and intention that make text journalism / reporting.'"

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  1. 1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad.

    It took me 10 months to get a traffic ticket dismissed last year. Exxon's managed to dodge justice after it's Alaskan f-up for 18 years with legal maneuvers.

    1. Re:1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad by edward2020 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And don't forget R. Kelly's criminal suit that he has pending against him. That's been, what, like 6-7 years since he... well, we know what he did.

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    2. Re:1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad by dintech · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe I can lie...

    3. Re:1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad by everphilski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So much for the right to a fair and speedy trial...

      It's a right the incriminated must invoke.

    4. Re:1.5 years for a court case isn't that bad by Iridium_Hack · · Score: 2, Funny

      Grammar Police - Notice of Ticket: I'm Sorry Sir, but use of the possessive pronoun "its" does not require an apostrophe. Your use of the contraction "it's" is improper and is normally restricted to situations where it shortens the common two word phrase "it is". Your blog is classified as improper usage by the Grammar Police Authority.

      Show up at your local Grammar Police office within the next 30 days to be booked for your infraction. Fail to do so and your every letter will be audited for punctuation errors.

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  2. I just wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The ruling made it clear that blogging is commentary and/or editorializing, but not reporting in the journalism sense. In 99% of all cases, bloggers are not journalists and they should not be given the rights of someone who holds a press card.

    1. Re:I just wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FYI, You're confusing the word 'right' with the word 'priviledge'.

    2. Re:I just wish by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ruling made it clear that blogging is commentary and/or editorializing, but not reporting in the journalism sense. In 99% of all cases, bloggers are not journalists and they should not be given the rights of someone who holds a press card. I think the Content and Intention keywords cover this. Even if a blogger has aspirations (intention) of journalistic writing, they shouldn't just roll up expecting a press card without some previous work (content) to back up that position. If a blogger wants to call themself a journalist, they'll have to earn it - just like someone working for a print publication.
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    3. Re:I just wish by Br00se · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At the risk of feeding a troll. There is no reason to provide any special protections to a "professional" journalist. Anyone that keeps a record of events should enjoy all the protections allowed by law. Having a press card does not make you immune from making mistakes or from being unethical or incompetent. Trust me, I've worked in newspapers for 17 years. I've worked with people who are considered processional journalists and with citizen journalists in my community, and there is no reason to legally distinguish between the two.

    4. Re:I just wish by dwiget001 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, nope. A right cannot be taken away. It is a right, you have it, period. Freedom of the press is just that. Doesn't matter what form that press is. And the ruling does no such thing regarding blogging not being journalism. And, a press pass is something given by and entity (event runner, sponsor, etc.) to members of the media (whatever media that happens to be). A "press pass" is not a governmental issued thing, period. It would be unconstitutional for the government to issue any such thing and only allow people with the "press pass" to engage in *press*. Read your Constitution, make sure you understand the big words, starting with "Constitution".

    5. Re:I just wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is no word "priviledge". Perhaps you were referring to the outhouse on the cliff?

    6. Re:I just wish by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A "press pass" is not a governmental issued thing, period. It would be unconstitutional for the government to issue any such thing and only allow people with the "press pass" to engage in *press*. Read your Constitution, make sure you understand the big words, starting with "Constitution".

      Three words: Free Speech Zones.

      Compare and discuss amongst yourselves. Is it constitutional to say that you can express dissent locked up inside of this fence after we've already corralled and ID'd you, or do you have the right to free speech everywhere. Don't taze me bro!!

      Two more words: Habeus Corpus.

      Is it constitutional for the government to suspend Habeus Corpus of citizens and non-citizens alike as they see fit? Bonus points if you can identify the part of the constitution which expressly forbids this.

      Three more words: Warrantless Wire Tapping.

      Surely, it can't be constitutional to eavesdrop on everyone in case you might be able to find something, right? Because, you're supposed to be secure in your person and papers from unreasonable search and seizure, right?

      The current administration, with the help of their crack (head) legal minds, have allowed all sorts of things to happen which are blatantly unconstitutional. Singling out this one aspect (while, theoretically valid) is, in practice, pointless.

      If they can get an AG to issue a legal opinion, claim executive privilege to prevent any form of legal action, as well as refusing to answer questions to congress ... then, in effect, they can do anything they want to. And, apparently, there is nobody around who can force them to comply with the law. They passed into unconstitutionality years ago, and they seem to be making up exceptions that allow them to override the rule of law and the oversight of Congress.

      A right cannot be taken away. It is a right, you have it, period.

      Let us hope that remains true. Because, the government has already taken away rights. And, they continue to do so. As has been stated here on Slashdot so often, "National Security" and "Protecting Children" are the secret codes to unlock the constitution.

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    7. Re:I just wish by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's brain dead easy to get a press pass to most any event. Hell I got a camera bag full of them from the past 4 years, over 1/2 were given to me without me asking... I walk into the event with 3-4 digital slr's around my neck and a vest and the gate guy hands me a press pass.

      99% of being "press" is looking and acting like you belong there. the rest is talking your way into getting the pass.

      Hell I did it so good last year, I was asked before I left the event that if I could be paid to be their official photographer next year. I got a paying photog job out of just looking like I was a press photographer.

      By the way, keep every press pass you are given. If you are questioned about where your pass is (because you did not social engineer one at the entrance and wandered in from the side) and you are rummaging through a bunch of old ones they usually wave you through. Worst case they send you to the trailer to get one. then it's a 50/50 chance you get one or you get told no.

      The fun part is getting back stage at concerts.. sometime a press pass can get you there.

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    8. Re:I just wish by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You're an AC, so I'll type this slowly ...

      Nobody has the power to take away a right.

      Morally, you're correct. In practice, the people with the laws and the guns can trample them fairly easily. And, they're doing it.

      You need to understand that a right is not given by anybody and can not be taken away by anybody. It is yours by the very nature of being alive.

      Oh, I understand that, in the abstract, a right should be recognized as something which is inalienable and not something which is granted or revoked. In practice, I believe there are a lot of situations in which the theoretically immutable right can be stripped away by someone who doesn't care.

      See, as much as I believe that (ideally) what you say should be true, there's that little practical measure by which the rights of some people are being taken away (or trampled on, or ignored, or infringed, or abrigated, or what have you) -- that is happening now.

      Just because the government is infringing on the rights of the people does not mean they don't have them.

      Infringe upon them long enough, pass laws saying they were never there in the first place, and get your AG and justice department to erode them long enough, and they're eventually gone. Failure to fight for your rights can, in fact, mean that they get taken away from you by someone who isn't quite so concerned with the niceties as you.

      People who rule by force don't give a flying fsck about your theoretical rights. They just do it how they want to. When the man with a gun doesn't agree with your assertion that you have a right to do something, he's not going to get the finer points of your argument. Once people decide your 'quaint' notion of inherent rights is something they don't want to listen to any more ... then you're SOL.

      Failure to prevent it happening now means in a few generations, asserting you ever had these rights will be a matter of historical curiousity -- and, of no immediate practical benefit. At present, the current administration is trying very hard to undermine both the constitution and your rights ... all in the name of National Security.

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    9. Re:I just wish by Sique · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If a blogger wants to call themself a journalist, they'll have to earn it - just like someone working for a print publication.

      It's interesting to listen to your statement about journalists, but it just describes how you define a journalist.

      I don't know the legal situation in the U.S. that much, but at least in Germany journalist is not a protected profession. Everyone and his dog has the right to call themselves "journalist". If you write for a respected magazine or for the unregurarily edited paper of the local sunflower growers association, doesn't matter. You don't even need to have published anything and are still allowed to call yourself a journalist.
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  3. IANAL, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From TFA:

    The Plaintiff attorney forced me to reveal trade secret information regarding an invention of mine and also forced me to reveal several of my clients personal information. One subject of a completely unrelated article that I posted was contacted and prompted to say something bad about me. Instead, he contacted me and I posted his letter on my website.
    IANAL, but isn't there an issue that the plaintiff could raise here? I would think contacting a third party & requesting them to issue derogatory comments was actionable in some way.
  4. What's so special about that press card? by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Half sarcasm and half serious: Give me one good reason that someone with a press pass deserves rights that you don't have without it.

    1. Re:What's so special about that press card? by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Half sarcasm and half serious: Give me one good reason that someone with a press pass deserves rights that you don't have without it. Logistics. Someone holding a press pass acts as proxy for the wider population. The press pass is just a convienient way to manage the number of people you have a deal with, and hopefully a gaurantee of some measure of professionalism in their interaction (as opposed to say, the "Don't tase me bro" guy).
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    2. Re:What's so special about that press card? by monkeyboythom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I'd written all the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people - including me - would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism.
      - Hunter S. Thompson

    3. Re:What's so special about that press card? by king-manic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Logistics. Someone holding a press pass acts as proxy for the wider population. The press pass is just a convienient way to manage the number of people you have a deal with, and hopefully a gaurantee of some measure of professionalism in their interaction (as opposed to say, the "Don't tase me bro" guy). press protection is not given based on how many people you may represent. Freedom of the press is to ensure free dissemination of ideas and the "don't tase me bro" guy is just as valid of an opinion as Anderson Cooper or Rush Limbaugh. There is no guarantee that a person working for mass media represents an opinion any greater then his own nor is he likely to be more literate about any particular topic aside for English language for print journalists and make-up and diction for TV journalists. Many bloggers have a better grasp of specialty issues then mass media journalists.
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    4. Re:What's so special about that press card? by cHiphead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But why is that right extended to CORPORATE news org employees and not Slashdot commentors? We regularly act a proxy for the wider population in our comments, whether or not that wider population agrees with what we have to say or report (which is the same case as a news organizations' reporters and editors content).

      The "dont tase me bro" guy is an exception and a straw man argument to level in this discussion, although his intent must be proven as non-news and fictional. In retrospect, his incident DID finally inspire me to read the Greg Palast book (Armed Madhouse), so perhaps even the pranksters can have a news worthy purpose.

      Do/Did you work in a news org of some sort?

      Logistics are not the issue, control of the news flow(not just from a propaganda angle, from a corporate value and advertising revenue viewpoint as well) is the real issue.

      Cheers.

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    5. Re:What's so special about that press card? by samschof · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am sure the government and large media companies would love the right to designate who is and who is not a journalist. I think we are safer regarding all citizens as journalists.

    6. Re:What's so special about that press card? by Otto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the "don't tase me bro" guy is just as valid of an opinion as... You can say that he has the right to speak, sure, but that's not the same thing. Frankly, he's a damned looney nutter, and so no, his opinion is not valid. In my own opinion, of course.

      What do you define as "press protection" anyway? Why should he get such treatment? Because he has an opinion? That's no good, everybody has an opinion. No, press protection generally is, in fact, a matter of numbers. If somebody has enough people listening to them, then they have more of a right to speak (actually, more of a right to NOT speak, since that's what "press protection" generally does) than other people.

      Sorry, but that's a simple fact. When more people listen to you, what you say is more important. You can curse the darkness all you like, it's when you talk into the lights that you make a difference.
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    7. Re:What's so special about that press card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In my Con Law class I was told that all the rights of the press were derived from the rights of general citizens, and that every right a reporter has, a normal citizen also has.

    8. Re:What's so special about that press card? by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone holding a press pass acts as proxy for the wider population

      Apologies for this US-centric post, but I don't remember "reporter" being on the last ballot I cast. I also don't recall reading that Thoman Paine needed a press pass for his "Common Sense" articles.

      I've read the Constitution, and I don't remember anything in the 1st amendment regarding press passes, or government powers to issue them. That document doesn't grant rights to citizens; it specifically states that you already have all rights. What it does is grant power to government, and limited power at that,

      Sadly, opinions like yours have allowed government to gain far greater powers than granted by the Constitution.

      -mcgrew

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    9. Re:What's so special about that press card? by king-manic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can say that he has the right to speak, sure, but that's not the same thing. Frankly, he's a damned looney nutter, and so no, his opinion is not valid. In my own opinion, of course.

      What do you define as "press protection" anyway? Why should he get such treatment? Because he has an opinion? That's no good, everybody has an opinion. No, press protection generally is, in fact, a matter of numbers. If somebody has enough people listening to them, then they have more of a right to speak (actually, more of a right to NOT speak, since that's what "press protection" generally does) than other people.

      Sorry, but that's a simple fact. When more people listen to you, what you say is more important. You can curse the darkness all you like, it's when you talk into the lights that you make a difference. Importance is not dictated by the number of people who listen. Extremely important information and opinions can go unheard. Free speech protection and various rights, privileges, and related laws help ensure opinions are not silenced. If the power that be came down on Micheal Giest (prominent columnist/copy right blogger/law professor) or another notable person in the blogsphere he should be afforded the same protection as if he was a columnist for the Phoenix star. They publish their opinions for others to see. What is the difference between a blogger and the independent press? The "don't tase me bro" guy may be a nutter but you ought to hear what he says before you write him off. I have not so I have yet to write him off.

      No one has any "more right to speak" then they have "right to be heard". Minority opinions and minority insights should be afforded the same protection as majority opinions and insights. Rush Limbaugh is not right because 13.5 million Americans listen to him, he is right or wrong based on the content of his speech. I am not wrong simply because only 0-100 people see my post, I am right or wrong based on the content of my text. Affording any less protection is to diminish the nascent "social media" that is set to become part of the mainstream media for the next generation.
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    10. Re:What's so special about that press card? by king-manic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you and others here seem to confuse freedom of the press with freedom of speech. If the founding fathers didn't think there was a difference why then would they provide for both. Also, one is not a subset of the other. The democratization of media via the internet is blurring the line between the two. Social media. The founding fathers lived in a time when a printing press was very expensive, existed in limited numbers, and distribution of the content was extremely difficult. It's very different today. I am a person who gets more news via the internet then any traditional media and our numbers have grown. Thus to me Micheal Giest is the same as Andy Greenberg of forbes. Today any person with a opinion has a chance of getting it displayed in prominent places (slashdot). The better written and targeted the more likely it will be displayed. You don't have to be a journalist only reasonable aware of what the editor prefers. There are drawbacks but you'd be silly not see the short comings of the existing mass media.
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    11. Re:What's so special about that press card? by 2short · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "You can say that he has the right to speak, sure, but that's not the same thing. "

      Freedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of the press? I agree, and so do the authors of the first amendment, who chose to protect both.

      What protections, rights or privileges do you think should be extended to journalists who have press passes and not to journalists who do not?

    12. Re:What's so special about that press card? by beav007 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The case set forth the following; 'It's not the format; it's the content and intention that make text journalism / reporting.'"

      If that's the case, perhaps CNN have something to worry about...
  5. Does this work in reverse? by TheGoodSteven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If a blogger can be given the same rights as a journalist because of the content of his message, does that mean that media outlets - TV shows, newspapers, etc., can have it taken away if it is found that their content isn't really news?

    1. Re:Does this work in reverse? by BadMrMojo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The quote in TFS implies a similar issue. This is not as much a monumental success for blog[i]gers[/i] as it is for blog[i]ging[/i].

      The quote says that text is possibly protected, regardless of format. While I approve wholeheartedly of that notion, it also implies that for any text to be considered protected as journalism, it needs to meet an nebulously-defined standard of "content and intention." I also happen to agree with that as well but I can see how others might not share that opinion. Most bloggers, even after this decision, still fall under the same unprotected, non-informative, masturbatory umbrella as before - the medium itself just got a little official recognition.

  6. Now if he could get paid for the inconvenience ... by meburke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article didn't mention whether the sanctions had any fines or reparations attached. Luckily the blogger was able to argue his case pro se, but this is not normally advisable and it is mostly unsuccessful. The original blog was apparently written in high temper, but the writer still managed to keep his cool. As a warning to other bloggers: Speak from verifiable experience (yours or others'), and speak the truth with precision. You may be entitled to your opinion, but you may have to defend it, so hyperbole and angry characterizations count against you.

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  7. Why the third person? by cooley · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From TFS:

    After nearly one and a half years of harassment from a relentless attorney, it seems that quietly a blogger in South Carolina has won a monumental ruling in favor of bloggers Directed at the story's submitter, "fixyourthinking":
    Hey buddy, I'm really glad you (rightfully) won your court case and all against those jerks, but why post it to Slashdot with a sentence like that? The use of the word "seems" implies to me that you're trying to pretend you're not Phillip Smith.

    Aren't you, in fact, the defendant in this case? Submitting stuff and pretending you're not the owner of the blog you're linking to, and implying you're not the fellow referenced in the case, is just a little lame IMHO.
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    1. Re:Why the third person? by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Funny

      "This just in: I'm not being sued anymore, in a landmark ruling which is sure to shake the judiciary to its core. More at eleven."

      Huh, guess he does qualify as a journalist. ;)

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  8. Press Pass != Rights by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Informative

    A press card doesn't grant you any rights that a normal citizen does not enjoy.

    You can't grant someone rights. They either have them or they don't.

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    1. Re:Press Pass != Rights by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Judges are usually respectful of a reporter's desire for confidentiality


      Didn't a New York Times reporter just go to jail for not naming a source? I think you're mistaken. Granted, she just wanted a book out of the deal...

      Press passes are issued by some organization and only give the wearer privileges with regards to that organization. If you get an event press pass, you're treated as press for that event. If the police give you a press pass, you can cross police lines. Neither an event organizer or the police are required to give a pass to anyone. If a newspaper gives you a press pass, no one is under any obligation to honor it, it only carries the weight of the reputation of the entity who printed it. Same with professional press organizations.

      Regardless, you can't give yourself a press pass (or at least one anyone will respect), someone has to recognize you as Press. Which means "editorial" style bloggers will probably not earn the privilege but ones that do actual journalism have a chance. And that's what it is, a privilege, that can be taken away. A right can't be taken away (except through criminal proceedings), nor bestowed by a piece of paper.
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  9. Not Censorship. by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least not government censorship.
    This was first of all a civil case. You can sue anyone for anything.
    So here is what happened.
    "BidZirk struck back with a lawsuit claiming defamation, privacy invasion and trademark violations. After losing its request for a preliminary injunction, BidZirk appealed to the Fourth Circuit, which denied its request. Very messy discovery followed, with both parties getting chastised for their conduct*. Finally, in this ruling, the court granted Smith summary judgment, and threw in some sanctions against plaintiffs' counsel to boot."
    Somebody didn't like a company and posted a nasty opinion of them. They got their lawyer to sue. The case went to court and was tossed out.
    In other words a great example of the system working.
    It sounds as if BidZirk's lawyers so messed up this case that the plaintiff might even have a shot act getting his legal fees.

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  10. when will companies understand? by KeepQuiet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When will companies understand that if they launch a big campaign against something/someone found online, it just spreads like wildfire and usually ends up with their humiliation. Dear companies, just suck that bad review up and give better service next time.

  11. Bullshit. by PhxBlue · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ruling made it clear that blogging is commentary and/or editorializing, but not reporting in the journalism sense. In 99% of all cases, bloggers are not journalists and they should not be given the rights of someone who holds a press card.

    Okay, go to a local newsstand. Pick up a paper, pay the $.50, and open up to the editorial page.

    What's the difference between that editorial page and a blog? The format. So saying that "blogging is commentary ... but not reporting in the journalism sense" is bullshit.

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    1. Re:Bullshit. by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's just the paid and college degree holding journalists that get their panties all bunched up when a lay-person dares to practice their craft without a blessing from them. honestly I see lots of "bloggers" that are better journalists than the high paid magazine and newspaper guys and gals. This threatens the "pros" and scares them. It also scares the government as many voices can not be censored as easily as a few.

      I personally do news photography and videography. I get crap from "professionals" all the time because I was not stupid and did things the old way like they did. I sell my shots as a freelance. I end up paid very well for my hobby, and that utterly pisses off professionals that worked their way up and went to journalism school.

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  12. Here is the case file online by steveshaw · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-scdce/case_no-6:2006cv00109/case_id-138245/

    It is also available on PACER, which may be more complete, but there is a per-page access fee involved.

    Go to the bottom for the Order Granting Summary Judgment.

    Herlong is an excellent judge, I'm had a few cases in front of him. Good for the blogger. I hate other attorneys who treat opposing parties like this. It gives us all an even worse name.

    1. Re:Here is the case file online by steveshaw · · Score: 2, Informative

      The judge sanctioned him $1000, payable to Smith. A pittance, I know, but this type of sanction is very rare to begin with. Also, no lawyer worth a damn wants to be officially sanctioned. Of course, this guy may not care.

  13. Re:Now if he could get paid for the inconvenience by steveshaw · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Re:A lien for what? by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    "we are suing you for a brazillion dollars.

          Actually, the unit of currency in Brazil is not the dollar but the "real". Oh, wait...

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  15. Speedy trials by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Informative

    The right to a speedy trial is for criminal cases, not civil.

  16. Familiarity . . . by Dausha · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am not familiar with the 1.5 year lawsuit between a blogger and a corporation. However, I heard of a similar 18-month lawsuit where the corporation sued an individual and lost. Could these two lawsuits be related?

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  17. I'll go one further .... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I've worked with people who are considered processional journalists and with citizen journalists in my community, and there is no reason to legally distinguish between the two."

    I'd actually go further ... there is probably good reason to distinguish between the two, where a citizen journalist may be more reliable (in general) than a "professional" one. Plenty of Professional Journalists have been found fabricating stories / events just to spice up the copy to increase viewership/circulation.

    I trust the more "raw" version of an amateur over the sanitized (aka Doctored) versions coming out of many journalists. Remember too, that lately it was the less than "professional" journalists that have broken the news on these types of doctorings, from Photoshoped photos to CBS' fictional documents about GWB ...

    So, count me as one of the few that no longer trusts his news from major sources. they aren't reliable enough for me.

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  18. Check out Daily Kos by coyote-san · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check out Daily Kos (http://dailykos.com) yesterday. Some idiot 'with a press card' was basically making the same point, and specifically named Markos ('kos') as an example.

    Oops. As Markos points out, the critic didn't even bother to click the 'About' button where he would learn that he has an undergraduate degree in journalism, has actually worked as a paid journalist, and oh yeah also has a law degree. He isn't some guy ranting from his mother's basement.

    I've seen this pattern countless times. Someone says a "blogger" isn't qualified, yet even a casual examination shows that the blogger is not only highly qualified, they're often more qualified than their would-be critic.

    Does this mean that this is true of all bloggers? Of course not. But at this point I think we've clearly crossed the "better to let 20 murderers walk than hang one innocent man" threshold and bloggers should be treated with respect and as bona fide journalists unless they demonstrate otherwise.

    Unrelated note: you do realize, don't you, that Fox News has successfully argued in court that it should not be held accountable for factual errors in its reports because it presents 'opinion and commentary', not 'news', programming? Why are they entitled to 'journalist' protection while people with appropriate experience and/or advanced degrees are held up for ridicule?

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    1. Re:Check out Daily Kos by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unrelated note: you do realize, don't you, that Fox News has successfully argued in court that it should not be held accountable for factual errors in its reports because it presents 'opinion and commentary', not 'news', programming?

      Not just factual errors, but known factual errors (the rest of us call them lies). They were given a statement, they checked and found the statement to be false. They used the statement anyway because it sounded better than the truth. They knowingly spread information they believed to be false.

    2. Re:Check out Daily Kos by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "But at this point I think we've clearly crossed the "better to let 20 murderers walk than hang one innocent man" threshold and bloggers should be treated with respect and as bona fide journalists unless they demonstrate otherwise"

      Absolutely. And since I wouldn't piss on a J-school graduate if he was on fire, much less treat him with respect, I guess that's how I'll treat bloggers as well. As for the government, "journalists" should have no fewer rights than I do, but certainly no more.

      Somewhere along the way, the journalists have gotten it into their head that they are part of a fourth branch of government: "representing" the people and providing oversight. And now, they have started acting like members of government - priveledged, out of touch with reality, and believing the laws don't apply to them.

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    3. Re:Check out Daily Kos by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You sound like a complete ass that is assuming I'm wrong. A one-word order? Thanks, but I think I'll not bother doing your work for you. Any of the top-10 results on my Google search would have been sufficient, indicating that you are too stupid or too lazy to search yourself, but that you have your mind made up and even if I did post a reference, your response (even if just an internal response) would be "that's not credible."

      If you are, in fact undecided on this issue and would like more information, perhaps you should try asking politely. Or try a search engine, they have lots of results.

    4. Re:Check out Daily Kos by zildgulf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unrelated note: you do realize, don't you, that Fox News has successfully argued in court that it should not be held accountable for factual errors in its reports because it presents 'opinion and commentary', not 'news', programming?

      Not just factual errors, but known factual errors (the rest of us call them lies). They were given a statement, they checked and found the statement to be false. They used the statement anyway because it sounded better than the truth. They knowingly spread information they believed to be false.


      That is called "Truthiness", or by Fox News "Fair and Balanced", or by many people in my neighborhood, "The Truth".....

      Let's call it "bald-faced lying" and go home :)

  19. Re:Right! by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Funny

    No sex in the champagne room. Sorry.

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  20. Did the system work? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay, this guy decided to fight, and he won. But, what about the other 99% of the time when the blogger just says "f**k it" and removed the blog entry? What about huge legal fees that bloggoers may be forced to pay, just to use their constitutional rights?

    What about the chilling effect that this bogus litigation has on other bloggers?

    IMO: the system working is debatable.

  21. Re:A lien for what? by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slander of title?

    Probably would work. Usually you can't sue for slander of title over a lis pendens, but since there was no actual basis whatsoever for the lis pendens litigation immunity probably wouldn't apply. Might also be a basis for malicious prosecution and/or abuse of process.

  22. Journalists by rossz · · Score: 2, Informative

    For some reason journalists think they are given special status by the Constitution. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Constitution does not give special status to anyone. Nor does it give anyone the freedom of speech or the press. It recognizes freedom of speech and press are natural rights. It makes it very clear that the government can not interfere with these rights. Your right to publish is as important as is the right of someone working for a newspaper. This case simply reinforces this fact.

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  23. WWHSTD? by rs79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ah Hunter.

    When I worked in the computer graphics industry I used to get comped passes to all the big graphics shows - siggraph, ncga etc. One year they didn't arrive in time so I called up and asked how i get a press pass. They said "bring a letter from your editor".

    Now, this was at a time when very few people had laser printers.

    So I printed up a letter on "Thompson/Hunter Communications" lettterhead explaining I was a reporter for "bitter reality" magazine.

    They took it, hook, line and sinker.

    "Bitter reality? I've never seen that"

    "It's a Canadian magazine, notice the Toronto address"

    "ah yeah, right"

    "So is this the weirdest magazine you have here today".

    "no. cruise line cuisine is".

    I wanna know which of you pricks pulled THAT stunt. I mean come on...

    At any rate not only did I get in free, I got access to the press room with free food and drink bit also get $1400 worth of conference preceedings and every book they had without even asking. I had to borrow a hand cart to get them into the trusty Subaru.

    Yeah. I love press passes. Hunter was onto a good thing there. And is of course where I got the idea.

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  24. Re:blogging by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, blogs are a communication medium. As was clarified in this ruling and subsequent statements, it's the intent and method that make journalism.

    Consider this: If a journalist from a "real" newspaper decided to do reporting for a "blog", would that somehow lower the quality of the work he's doing -- even if he writes in the same manner as he did for the "real" publication?

    Dead trees do not a worthy statement make.

  25. Plantiff's attorney sanctioned $1000 by old7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The court finds that the degree of Plaintiffs' counsel's culpability weighs heavily in favor of sanctioning the Plaintiffs' counsel, Kevin Elwell ("Elwell"). Elwell is a competent attorney who knew or should have known with the most basic research that his actions were improper. In addition, after Smith moved to strike the lis pendens, Elwell argued in court that the lis pendens was proper. Elwell had no basis to support his position. (Mem. Regarding Sanctions 2.)
    Further, the court finds that Smith has been prejudiced by the filing of the lis pendens. The title to his property was clouded for over six months. Smith alleges that during that time he was attempting to sell his property. Moreover, the public interest in preventing legal counsel from filing improper lis pendens and encumbering property is great. A lis pendens is a very powerful document and the statute is strictly applied because a lis pendens clouds the title to property. There is no evidence that Elwell's client is responsible for Elwell's wrongful conduct. However, taking into account the facts and the factors listed above, the court finds that based on Elwell's grossly improper conduct, he should be sanctioned in the amount of $1,000.00 payable immediately to the Defendant.
    Follow link to read the actual opinion, http://www.citmedialaw.org/bidzirk-llc-v-smith
    Opinion in pdf format as "Opinion & Order on Summary Judgment (10-22-2007)"
  26. Reference by slashqwerty · · Score: 2, Informative
    I suspect the parent post was referring to the BGH lawsuit. It was actually a FOX affiliate that was sued, but IIRC the whistleblowers were fired at the behest of the station's corporate parent. The station lost in a jury trial. The ruling was overturned on appeal on the basis that Florida's whistleblower law applied to violations of laws, rules, and regulations. The court concluded the FCC only has a 'policy' against falsifying news (interestingly that argument was rejected on three separate occasions before the trial). To add insult to injury, the plaintiffs were ordered to pay FOX's $1.7 million in legal fees.

    In their legal filings FOX argued that they had the right to fill their news with outright lies. That's a little bit different than what the court ruled so instead of citing the ruling many reports say something to the effect of, "FOX won a lawsuit by arguing they could tell outright lies in the news."

    The background on the story is somewhat interesting. The reporters investigated a story about rBGH. They had it all ready to air when Monsanto found out about it. Monsanto contacted FOX and threatened to pull their ads if the story went forth. FOX responded by ordering the reporters to effectively report the opposite of the truth. The reporters refused and threatened to report the station to the FCC. The station responded by firing them.

    The plaintiffs used to have a web site up detailing the issue but I can't find it right now (they may have taken it down). IIRC, FOX went ahead and aired the fake story anyway (which was unrelated to the lawsuit).