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Australian Army Invests in Electrical Shirts

Stony Stevenson writes "The Australian Defence Department has injected $4.4 million worth of funding to further Australia's national science agency's (the CSIRO) research into designing clothing which can be used as a self-recharging electrical source on the battlefield. The Defence Department is hoping the technology can be used to replace cumbersome disposable batteries that soldiers must carry on the battlefield. The Flexible Integrated Energy Device (FIED) will be used to store and provide energy over a continuous period of time. It can be charged by either vibration energy harvesting or through plugging into an electrical power point."

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  1. Cold ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    As long as it can keep beer cold.

    1. Re:Cold ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a better idea, involving kangaroos and treadmill-powered refrigerators.

  2. heh. by apodyopsis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thats great, now they just need to give out a load of free pin ups pics so they can all get to work cranking up a good charge to power their gear.

  3. Now say after me by bakuun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The first law of thermodynamics states: "The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings".

    This means that while it is perfectly possible in theory for soldiers to charge batteries by running around, they will have to exert that extra energy themselves. I doubt that any soldiers (already heavily laden with weapons, body-armour and other gear) will want to wear suit that requires more energy from you for movements than normal suits.

    1. Re:Now say after me by bestiarosa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, but I guess those shirt will harvest energy from body heat the soldiers would have lost anyway and from movements the soldiers would have done anyway. This way, the shirt would only be recycling energy which would've been otherwise lost.

      On the other hand, imagine if the battery somehow breaks starting to leak acid all over the guy's skin.

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    2. Re:Now say after me by das_magpie · · Score: 2, Informative

      I doubt that any soldiers (already heavily laden with weapons, body-armour and other gear)

      Yes but this is a start in the reduction of heavily laden gear.

      The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings".

      Whats this really matter its still a plus for the soldiers system must do the work regardless and the expended energy is going into a system which has a positive effect on the soldier as it is lighter then previous disposable solution?

    3. Re:Now say after me by psxman · · Score: 5, Funny

      imagine if the battery somehow breaks starting to leak acid all over the guy's skin. ... He'd become a superhero?
    4. Re:Now say after me by bestiarosa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hadn't thought about this possibility.

      Super Battery Acid Man fighting for the freedom of Iraq!

      Yeah, right.

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    5. Re:Now say after me by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      SBAM Man! Fighting injustice by clogging up enemy inboxes!

      I somehow doubt they'd be using lead acid batteries.. heavy and nasty.. lithium polymer would be better.

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  4. Styling by Edgyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are they going to look like Dynamo from the movie ''Running man''?
    If not, I'm not interested.

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  5. Yeah, but... by amake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...if [the extra exertion required to charge this shirt] is less than or equal to [the energy needed to haul around those batteries the shirt will be replacing], then it's a net win. In fact, even if the shirt requires more exertion, it might still be worth it not to have to worry, "Do I have my batteries with me today?" "Are my batteries charged?"

    1. Re:Yeah, but... by jank1887 · · Score: 3, Informative
      that's not what he said. Let me translate:

      Current method is inefficient. New method is also inefficient, but not as bad as first method. Thus, even though the total system energy will be depleted eventually, less is being wasted rather than being converted to useful work in the new method. SO IFF the new method is 'less bad', the overall system will see an improvement in function. No perpetual motion required. The guy still has to 'plug in' at some point.

    2. Re:Yeah, but... by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Y'know... I think you just invented perpetual motion!
      Bull. You almost have to wonder if people should even be taught the laws of thermodynamics, they're so eager to run off and leap to unsupported conclusions. Every single story in any way related to power, somebody refers to the laws of thermodynamics to "prove" it's not a good idea because "the power still has to come from somewhere." I got news for you kids, that doesn't mean all power sources are equally useful, economic, reliable, efficient, or anything else.
  6. Ask any Grunt... by NewToNix · · Score: 3, Funny
    And he'll tell you all that's needed is a fuel cell powered by sweat. Then he could pack even highly inefficient energy weapons into battle & still have power to spare.

    Just for those of you that may not be familiar with the term: Grunt

  7. So we're buying NEW stuff now? by vandan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought our politicians only saw it fit to buy decommissioned US junk, such as 30 year-old helicopters, and the odd fleet of dud tanks and fighter jets. Perhaps this is Howard's idea of renewable resources. Personally, I'd rather just put the grunts put to work in a more economic - imagine how much clean energy we could produce if we took our soldiers from the bloodbaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, and lined them up in a big grid of treadmill generators. We could put a picture of Kylie Minogue in front of them, and maybe a picture of Bin Laden behind her. This would pretty much motivate the lot of them.

    1. Re:So we're buying NEW stuff now? by Onetus · · Score: 2, Informative

      and doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources Actually we do. Our economy is based on exporting numerous resources to the world.
      Most of the exportable metals, plus coal, coal and more coal.
      We've also got the oil and natural gas reserves in Bass Strait.

      Oh and strangely enough Fosters beer. Why you overseas people drink it, we'll never understand.

    2. Re:So we're buying NEW stuff now? by z0idberg · · Score: 2, Informative

      As well as 40% of the worlds uranium deposits.

    3. Re:So we're buying NEW stuff now? by Namors · · Score: 3, Informative

      doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources
      Well I wouldn't say that exactly
      http://www.australianminesatlas.gov.au/info/info.jsp

      Australia has about 5% of the world's EDR of magnesite
      Australia has 10% of the worlds EDR of Iron ore
      Australia's EDR of industrial diamond 19% of the current World total
      Australia's 37% of of worlds EDR of Nickel

      The USGS estimate of World gold reserves of 42 000 t was similar to 2005 According to the USGS, South Africa still has the World's largest reserve of gold at 6000 t (14.3% a similar level as in 2005. According to the USGS Australia has the second largest reserve with approximately 12% of the World's holdings.)

      Australia has the World's largest resources of uranium in RAR recoverable at less than US$80/kg U (equates to EDR), with 27% of World resources in this category (at December 2006). Other countries with large resources include Kazakhstan (14%), Canada (13%), Niger (7%) and South Africa (7%) (Source: OECD/NEA & IAEA.)

      Based on USGS data for other countries, Australia's demonstrated bauxite resources of 7.8 Gt rank second in the world after Guinea with 8.6 Gt and ahead of Brazil with 2.5 Gt, Jamaica with 2.5 Gt and China with 2.3 Gt.

      Australia is the world's largest iron ore exporter and, as a producer, ranks third (with 16%) after China (31%) and Brazil (18%).

      Produces about 40% of world bauxite and over 30% of world alumina, making it the largest producer of bauxite and alumina.

      Based on USGS data for other countries, Australia has the World's largest EDR of both zinc (18% of the World) and lead (32%). Australia has the World's second largest EDR of silver (16%) behind Poland (18%).

      I'd peg a stable government and an educated populace
      Most the Time it feels the other way around. :P
      now to stay on topic
      We need this type of forward thinking as we have a massive country and a tiny population.
      The old work smarter not harder.
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    4. Re:So we're buying NEW stuff now? by EnigmaPenguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I only really would point out two things.

      "and doesn't have any highly lucrative natural resources"
      Who would ever want all that oil, gas, coal, bauxite, various other heavy metals, gold, uranium ( of which we have a lot of), diamonds, pearls right? Some people postulate that war will be waged over the worlds resources one day, why not consider that a point when you have all those people screaming about peak oil. Whether you believe it or not, it only takes for the enemy to believe it.

      "it's also completely surrounded by water"
      Not the best defensible position is it.

      Other than that you'd be right, we have an okay standing minus the war in Iraq and it really wouldn't do well for the invader on the world stage. I'll also concede that considering the Indonesian's purchase of military hardware from Russia for the coming decade (This includes a whole range of weaponry that could cause a lot of damage) we could have issues. After the F111 retires our long range bombing is reduced until the joint strike fighter program finishes up. This obviously limits our actions in regards to strategic options and its not as if they wont hear a collins class coming.

      It just might be wise to improve our own technology in regards to ground forces, be it for the regular peace keeping or out right war.

  8. Sounds like a great idea, perhaps. by backbyter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The extra weight of the clothing is offset by not having to carry the extra batteries. So it shouldn't place anymore weight on the troop. I know it's much more convenient for me to wear a loaded photographers vest than it is to carry the bag. Same weight, but the distribution of that weight on your shoulders feels much better at the end of the day.

    My concerns are these.

    What's this vest made of? If a trooper takes a bullet through the vest, what type of stuff from the vest is going to follow the bullet into the body?

    If this shirt is meant to be worn under armor then what impact does the constraint of being sandwiched between the body and the armor have on the overall effectiveness of the shirt?

    If the shirt is meant to be worn over the armor, is there any redundancy to the power generation when the shirt takes a hit? With batteries, the trooper could always ask a buddy for a spare battery. Asking for the shirt from your buddies back, in combat, would probably be looked on negatively.

  9. Just a question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...hoping the technology can be used to replace cumbersome disposable batteries that soldiers must carry on the battlefield. The Flexible Integrated Energy Device (FIED) will be used to store and provide energy over a continuous period of time. It can be charged by either vibration energy harvesting or through plugging into an electrical power point." Just curious .. if the vibration energy is derived from a battery powered device, does this mean that our female soldiers on solo assignments can safely assume they will never run out of batteries?
  10. Surely FRIED... by casley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on... Flexible Rechargeable Integrated Energy Device is much better. I'd wear a fried shirt - wouldn't you?

  11. Much better idea by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Build some solar cells into their helmets.

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  12. fremen by rucs_hack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sooner or later this kind of tech is going to result in a stilsuit. Hope so anyway, those things are just too cool not to be instantiated.

    Seriously though, if we colonise mars, they will be more then interesting, they may well be essential.

    Frank Herbert had way more right than people realise. Except for the spice thing, but if I have this right, in his original musings on the story, spice wasn't as important, and it was Stilgar, not Paul Atraides who was to be the major character.

  13. Re:Just finish high school physics? by bakuun · · Score: 2, Informative

    This system sounds as if it is harvesting waste energy. (the running that the soldier is already doing) The running is not waste energy - the energy used for running is spent up doing just that - running. Granted, the muscles will produce heat, which can be used - but the article seems to suggest that it is not heat which will charge the batteries, but rather the actual motion.
  14. Re:Just finish high school physics? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

    But they have to run regardless of which system they have used. They are actually replacing heavy non-rechargable batteries, which may run out, with this new system, which probably weighs about the same, but provides much more reliable power.

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  15. Re:Yeah, but, but yeah by Martian_Kyo · · Score: 2, Funny

    now the question will be "did my shirt get mixed in with the non-electrical laundry?"
    and "will this thing shock me everytime it rains?"

  16. What happens... by Nameisyoung007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If a soldier gets shot? What would typically be a bad flesh wound now has an electric battery system thrown in there as well...

  17. Another feature by Maljin+Jolt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Shock shirts: soldiers will _always_ obey their orders without any hesitation.

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  18. Re:Women soldiers by Eivind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That problem lessens itself if you've got both types of soldiers.

  19. Re:Cant wait till I can get one of these! by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having spent some time in the field wearing various uniforms, I have to say, the idea of wearing a bunch of plastic and metal fibers in the field doesn't sound very appealing. It sounds like a recipe for heat exhaustion.

    Are other energy sources really so inconvenient that this is justifiable?

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