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Hans Reiser Interview on ABC's 20/20

baegucb_18706 noted that ABCs 20/20 has a lengthy article on the saga of the Hans Reiser murder trial. I'm not sure if this article provided any information that you might not have known if you read the earlier wired interview, but it's still a really strange story.

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  1. I see! by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Interviewing Hans Reiser about the Hans Resier murder, eh? Clever.
    How about interviewing Harry Buttle about that known terrorist Harry Tuttle?

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    1. Re:I see! by megaditto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe Chewbacca is a paedophile?

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    2. Re:I see! by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 3, Funny

      Anyway, I'm typing this up on a machine running Reiser FS

      Any of your files gone missing?

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  2. She's in Russia by FunkyELF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    She hated him. She staged it and went back to Russia. Aren't their kids over there now? Go interrogate her parents...she can't be too far from them.

    1. Re:She's in Russia by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The direct physical evidence against Reiser is limited, but police have built a detailed circumstantial case. In this day and age I didn't know you could take a murder to trial purely on circumstance. I'll admit it's extremely weird, but do they actually think they can convict him beyond a reasonable doubt in this day and age with no direct evidence? It almost seems irresponsible to try otherwise. No body. No DNA. No weapons of any sort found. Basically they have more evidence for Jimmy Hoffa's murder than they do this one. Heck, good luck proving she was actually murdered!
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    2. Re:She's in Russia by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course she also removed his car-seat, and put that "how to dispose a body" book into his stuff, too...

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    3. Re:She's in Russia by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) As the article says, he was living out of his car. Strange, but not unheard of - especially for someone who likely has few friends and is of limited financial means. 2) He didn't have a book on how to dispose a body, he had a book on murder investigations. As he was the target of one and didn't have a lot of money, this seems pretty reasonable. I'd probably do the same thing.

    4. Re:She's in Russia by DustyShadow · · Score: 3, Informative

      At least they had a body in the Peterson case.

    5. Re:She's in Russia by yoprst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The chances of her being in Russia are just plain reasonable
      People don't fly anonymously, do they? Isn't it easy to check if she's left the country?

      Lovely sig, by the way

    6. Re:She's in Russia by Xiph1980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You might want to watch this TED-talk about statistics before you say something like that:
      Peter Donnelly: How juries are fooled by statistics

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    7. Re:She's in Russia by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She was a translator for a Russian "Dating Service" or one of it's clients, seems a few "seasoned" freinds could be pretty easy fot her to aquire along the way. As likely as not a few parasitic "seasoned" freinds would be hard to avoid around that business.

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  3. Re:Is that pic caption right? by should_be_linear · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the pic caption is wrong - isn't that Hans on the right side?

    Who knows, only Reiser certainly knows for sure. Mysteries just keep adding up in this strange story.

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  4. Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser by phaunt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Einstein murdered his wife, he would be a murderer, not a genius. He would have been both a murderer and a genius. Maybe you meant he would have been remembered today as a murderer only, but I very much doubt that.
  5. Renaissance man, indeed. by bryanp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reiser, whose work kept him overseas in Russia for months at a time, wanted more children and did not want Nina returning to work as a doctor.

    "I ran the business and I expected my wife to take care of the kids," he said.


    Wow. Wotta guy. Let's see, I want to marry an intelligent, highly educated doctor and then turn her into a brood mare who stays in the kitchen making cookies. Yeah, that'll work.

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    1. Re:Renaissance man, indeed. by bryanp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I was insulting a man who marries a woman and tries to force her to stay home with the kids when that wasn't what she wanted to do. But then you might have know that if you'd RTFA.

      I have no problems with one parent staying home. I know several people who do that. Two families I'm thinking of the wife is the breadwinner and the husband is the stay-at-home dad.

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    2. Re:Renaissance man, indeed. by mingot · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, hey, you can insult women who want to devote their lives to their children all you like. And I could call you a feminazi supporter. But I won't, because I'd like to think I'm above that.

      Is there a name for this sort of statement? You know, the "I'd call you x, but I'm above that sort of thing".

    3. Re:Renaissance man, indeed. by Plutonite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. She seems to be one hell of a bitch, obviously married him only for the money and the oh-so-prized citizenship.

      "She divorced me the day she became a citizen. I don't know whether it was the exact day but same month"

      And from TFA she also was cleaning out his money. He introduced her to his best friend, to take care of her while he was away, but this highly intelligent, educated doctor you speak of let the man introduce her to drugs and fuck her while reiser wasn't there. Sounds like some Russian skank who wanted to escape being a translator for a dating service in KGB land. And beautiful? She looks barely average.

      As for your blood-mare comment, I'm sure the governments of Sweden and similar nations who pay women to stay at home and care for their children several YEARS have something to say to you. I have the utmost respect for stay-at-home moms who are helping to build solid families for this country.. definitely more than your favorite juknie/ho "doctor".

      Reiser could've had so much better for a wife, no matter how "weird" he is. Reiser also doesn't have the nicest of friends, unfortunately. Kind of tough when you're best friend is a homosexual serial killer who wanted to sleep with you then decided to give it to your Russian wife when you said no. Jesus fucking Christ, Hans, are there no other people in the world to make friends with?

    4. Re:Renaissance man, indeed. by kv9 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kind of tough when you're best friend is a homosexual serial killer who wanted to sleep with you then decided to give it to your Russian wife when you said no. Jesus fucking Christ, Hans, are there no other people in the world to make friends with? this story is so badass (especially if he killed her, manages not to get convicted then kills his buddy by bashing his head in with an oversized dildo) that Tarantino should consider it for one of his next movies.
  6. No body by hey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a reasonable system there is no way somebody can be convicted of murder without a body.

    1. Re:No body by Ossifer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem for the prosecution is that in the absence of any real evidence suggesting murder (pool of blood, scene of an altercation, etc.), any conceivable theory by the defense trumps a murder story.

      The cops/prosecution decided Reiser must be guilty since he's really weird, despite no real evidence that a crime was committed at all. Having followed the case locally (from across the bay), I and many others were surprised the case even passed basic plausibility by the judge holding the preliminary hearing.

      The reality is, in fact, that she may very well be alive and well in Russia...

    2. Re:No body by risk+one · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed, people without a body have enough to worry about without being convicted of all sorts of crimes.

      Simple discrimination against being unable to manifest on the corporeal plane, that's what it is.

      (I have nothing of value to add to this discussion)

  7. Soo... by DustyShadow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So Reiser's best friend had sex with Reiser's wife, confessed to the cops that he is a serial killer, but conveniently says he didn't kill Nina...and yet the cops don't arrest him. Sounds like we got the smart ones on that force.

    1. Re:Soo... by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Police frequently focus on more than one subject at a time. There have also been cases where they will stop public focus on one suspect while monitoring him for changes in behavior. This doesn't mean that they've ruled out whomever they're publicly talking about, but if the pressure is removed from one that is deemed more likely, then that person may slip up. Details of ongoing investigations are often not public records, so we won't know until after any trial is finished.

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  9. Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For several years prior to his wife's disappearance, he's been very strapped for money. He basically bankrupted himself to keep paying the russian programmers who were working on the reiser4 file system. His wife or friend may or may not have been involved in his money problems.

  10. OT: two job familes bad? by doom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Partly for that reason. In my opinion, it's rare for a maladjusted child to come from a home where the father works, and the mother cares for the children, but it's common for maladjusted children to be latch key kids with both parents working 2 jobs.

    Do you have stats to back that up, or are you living your life based on what you've seen on television?

  11. Re:He couldn't get a hotel room? by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've carried large sums of cash and my passport. Does that make me a murderer on the run?

        It's completely circumstantial evidence.

        But, if you put enough pieces together, circumstantial evidence can be damning in front of a jury, regardless if the truth is there or not.

        From what I've seen, there are several ways it could have gone.

        1) He killed her (the presumption of law enforcement)
        2) Her new boyfriend, the drug and kinky sex fiend, killed her.
        3) She's a sex slave, living in a crack house somewhere in the less friendly neighborhoods of any major US city.
        4) She left town, and is living somewhere else in America or Canada.
        5) She left the country, possibly for Russia.

        As someone else said, they don't believe she could be in Russia. Any country with enough land and population, provides a place for anyone to hide comfortably, even in plain site. She could be working as a doctor, using her own name, with enough clients to be very comfortable, and still no one would notice.

        I don't know all the facts, just the ones that have been presented in the media and in interviews. I'm not following closely though. I just know, none of us have all the evidence at our disposal, so none of us can make really educated opinions on it.

        For all we know, it was some one-off killing, where some random lunatic saw a crying woman in a parking lot, killed her, drove her 1000 miles away, and buried her in a shallow grave. Heck, we've all done that once or twice. (j/k)

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  13. Re:Death Penalty! by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This kind of thought is the reason that we have the system that we do. Just because someone is a complete and utter dick doesn't mean that they're guilty of murder. Controlling? Probably. Abusive? Perhaps. But there are a lot of controlling, abusive dicks that don't murder their wives. There's evidence against him, but it has to go through a court first. I was saying this to others in the Scott Peterson case, too, and it's important that it not just be a formality.

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  15. Re:Death Penalty! by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know what fascist dictatorship you live under, but in my part of the world it's "innocent until proven guilty".

  16. Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Suicide, while deplorable... Freedom is based on ownership of your own body and mind. You get to define what your life means to you, and no-one else. To state that suicide is deplorable is to deny an immediate consequence of the most basic principle of freedom.

    Suicide is usually distressing for family and friends. It is sometimes the result of mental illness. But it is not "deplorable".
  17. Re:Is that pic caption right? by ickoonite · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who knows, only Reiser certainly knows for sure.

    One would presume that the lawyer has a reasonable idea which one he is as well...

    :P

  18. Re:Doctor and translator? by Cassini2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Translators get paid in foreign dollars. Doctors are civil service positions in Russia, so they get paid poorly. A Doctor could moonlight as a translator in Russia, and make more money from translating than from saving people ...

  19. Re:Reiser Must Die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Your angry ranting leads me to believe you're one of:
    1. A troll - in which case, a very bad one, as you've had to post many times to maintain this thread;
    2. An abuse victim - in which case, unable to bring your tormentor to justice, you take out your anger on a man you only know from press reports;
    3. An abuser - so ashamed of yourself and in such denial that you're condemning your fellow abusers to death to assuage guilt. Like a gay Republican, except that there's nothing wrong with being gay.

    Whichever it is, I'm happy to have had the chance to serve on a jury; I had the opportunity to diplomatically convince my fellow jurors to ignore the preconceived rantings of one prejudiced hick in our group and instead look at the evidence for the crime under consideration. Indeed, this hick happened to conclude guilty as I did - the difference was that I came to the conclusion based on what was presented to me throughout the case and after hours of discussion with my fellow jurors; this dolt had come to the decision by first recess on day one.
  20. Whoosh! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hint: check the spellings ... carefully ... very carefully ...

  21. Re:Is that pic caption right? by mickwd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, he's a smart one, this Hans Reiser.

    A simple switch when his lawyer isn't paying attention, and his lawyer spends the rest of his life in jail....... .....while Hans gets paid all the money he paid him in fees.

    That's just cunning.

  22. Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, what selfish family and friends is all I can say

    Selfish that you want people that you love to live? Selfish for a son to ask his father not to blow himself away but to try and find a job so he can see him grow up? Selfish for a daughter that needs her mother, a husband who needs his wife?

    Those are some lazy, worthless relationships, you advocate. The best of human bonds are unbreakable... what you have, is pure Walmart family.

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  23. ANY evidence you'd like to talk about? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me assemble your "evidence" here:

    Reiser was a very controlling husband who dominated his wife.

    He trashed her career so he could work on his, would disappear for months at a time in Russia, and then, by other witnesses, often screamed at her over the phone.

    remove the passenger seat.

    $9000 in cash

    That is the evidence. Now, here is where your speculation starts -- and by "speculation", I mean "making shit up":

    I've had to live in my car, but I've never been in a situation where I felt like I needed to remove the passenger seat.

    I've never had to live in my car, so you must never have had to, either, right?

    Just because you never had to remove the passenger seat doesn't mean it's impossible for anyone to, or that the only reason you could possibly ever have is to clean blood from it.

    Even in the USA, Reiser could have rented a room for like $200-$300 a month, an apartment for $500-$600

    So what?

    There are any number of reasons you might be living in your car. Money is only one, perhaps the only you can think of. Or perhaps he needed the money for something else.

    the most convenient way to put money in the hands of a Russian programmer is electronically.

    The most convenient way to put money in anyone's hands is electronically, yet US people write checks all the time. Why should Russian programmers be any different?

    And now we move to the exercise in creative writing...

    Reiser killed Nina in the car, and cleaned it out thoroughly, which explains why it was wet, except for the seat she was sitting in, which had to be removed. The seat is probably with the body, most likely. The $9000 in cash and passport were to allow him to leave the country and go to Russia, and the reason he ran from the cops, to begin with, is that he knew that he did it.

    And you just made all of that up.

    Go look up the definition for "reasonable doubt". We send people away when there is no other reasonable explanation for the evidence.

    Well, fuck you. I've had a wet car, I've removed the seat from a car, I've had friends run from the cops (stupid thing to do, but still, doesn't make them guilty), and I have carried more cash than I should. And I've never killed anyone.

    Maybe he did kill her, but nobody knows. Because nobody knows, and because we're in America, he should walk.

    Unfortunately, because we're in America, you also have committed no crime by being an ignorant hate-spewing fucktard.

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  24. Re:Is that pic caption right? by FPCat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But wouldn't revealing that violate attorney/client privilege?

  25. What is going on? by realdodgeman · · Score: 3, Informative

    What the hell happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Yes he is an insane motherfucker, yes he bought books about murder trails, but that still doesn't prove anything.

    Also, knowing that he is a programmer, he doesn't think like must people do. That makes him look crazy. But it still doesn't prove anything.

    The US legal system seems more and more broken, and if he is sentenced to jail without further evidence, it just proves to me what I thought all along.

    I am not saying that he is innocent, but I am saying he should be treated like he is until he is proven guilty!

  26. Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Selfish that you want people that you love to live? Yes, actually, it is selfish to expect someone else to live in suffering so that you don't have to feel the pain of their loss.
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  27. Re:Good way to screw up your life Reiser by witte · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your example reminds me of Einstein's pal, Fritz Haber.

    He drove his wife Carla Immerwahr nuts by demanding she be a housewife (like Reiser) while she a chemistry researcher with ambitions, and it was not a happy marriage.
    She committed suicide, coincidentally right after Haber introduced gas warfare in WW1 and killed 5000+ allied soldiers at the first front line trial in Ypres.
    (Look it up on wikipedia, it's a colorful story.)

    Interesting detail : Fritz Haber received a nobel prize for the "Haber" process for production of ammonia.
    He also invented zyklon B.

    Irony : Haber was of jewish origin.