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Predator-Style Helmets Allow Pilots to See Through Planes

nitroy2k writes "It is only the neck and shoulders that prove there is a human being in there somewhere. And this isn't any Star Trek or Final Fantasy kind of trick, but the next generation of RAF fighter pilots' look, which kinda makes you wish you were in the army." And you thought Air Wolf had badass headgear.

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  1. Air Wolf by Cytlid · · Score: 4, Funny

    And you thought Air Wolf had badass headgear.

      You'll have all the kids thinking "Is Air Wolf a new game for the wii???".

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    1. Re:Air Wolf by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad it's not virtual.

      Instead, you can look "cool" while committing war crimes - you know, like Guernica.

      Let's bomb Mommies and their babies into hamburger. Their standing over our oil.

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    2. Re:Air Wolf by dfetter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong: its a stealth-strike fighter, not for carpet bombing. And of course we know those "surgical strikes" never go astray, killing wedding parties or friendly forces, right?</sarcasm>
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    3. Re:Air Wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sure they cut the "NOT! ROFL" at the end from the recording.

    4. Re:Air Wolf by tempaccount · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't believe 30 year old technology is making the frontpage of slashdot. You do realize the Apache helicopter already does this. Heck it's even got 157 power zoom so the gunner can look at the moon and watch satellites go by. The pilot can look straight down at his crotch and see the ground go by underneath him. And if you think vertigo is a problem in a fixed wing aircraft, it's not, rotary wing pilots have adapted to that tech already.

    5. Re:Air Wolf by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wrong: its a stealth-strike fighter, not for carpet bombing. And of course we know those "surgical strikes" never go astray, killing wedding parties or friendly forces, right?</sarcasm> Don't hold your wedding on a carpet, problem solved !
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    6. Re:Air Wolf by Jerry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What part of " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." don't you understand?

      IF "the right of the people" in the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean you and I then it doesn't mean you and I in the first and freedom of speech is a myth ready to be repealed by some facists or Marxist judge.

      Some Federaljudges disagree with your. (http://www.mcsm.org/indivright.html)

      The part about "well regulated" is being upheld also in the fact that assult weapons, grenade launchers, and other military weapons for offensive purposes are still prohibited from individual ownership.

      So, your assertion that the 2nd Amendment only applies as a collective right to the National Guard or Police is not supported by the courts or by the phrase "right of the people".

      Disarming the people only makes them more likely to be victims of those who ignore gun laws anyway. Since Britian outlawed guns in 1997 the number of gun crimes have doubled. http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=102&category=factsheets

      Now the British lawmakers are going after bb-guns! Because home owners now have to resort to bats, golf clubs and kitchen utensils to defend themselves from ARMED intruders laws are being proposed to outlaw kitchen knives! There are cases on record where home owners are begin arrested for defending their home and themselves and the police are appearing as witnesses for the intruders after they sue the home owner for injuries suffered while they attempted to rob the home owner. Is that insane enough for you?

      Trade the 2nd Amendment for security and you will have neither the 2nd NOR the 1st nor any other admendment.

      The words of the Declaration of Independence still apply:
      "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

      Did you notice that the Right enumerated (and expanded upon by the BIll of Rights) are UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. That means they cannot be taken away nor can they be voluntarily surrendered or given up.

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  2. This Isn't New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I worked on a military aircraft program, and we had the same thing. A head-tracking helmet that displayed the video to the pilot and had an imposed an outline of the aircraft so you knew where you were looking.

    This is really just new packaging of an old idea.

  3. army? by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 5, Informative

    which kinda makes you wish you were in the army

    So you could admire the cool helmets the Air Force, Navy, and Marine pilots have?

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    1. Re:army? by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      which kinda makes you wish you were in the army

      W's trying to lour us geeks into Iraq with cool gadgets. What's next, a Beowulf cluster of Linux tanks and a night with Natalie P.?

    2. Re:army? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      W's trying to lour us geeks into Iraq with cool gadgets. What's next, a Beowulf cluster of Linux tanks and a night with Natalie P.?

      but leave looking like goatse

    3. Re:army? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No, the F-35 is more of a stealth fighter than the Harrier, which is actually being replaced by the Eurofighter Typhoon. BAE is in-fact involved in the development of the F-35 as well.

      I thought the general idea was that Typhoons would replace Tornadoes, while JSFs would replace Harriers? They were looking into a navalised Typhoon for use on the new carriers, but I'm not sure what became of that.

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    4. Re:army? by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Navalised Typhoons are the backup plan in-case the Americans don't come through with the F-35's flight system software, which they are somewhat bizarrely not handing over. I heard there was some progress but it all seems to have gone somewhat quiet of recent.

      Apparently the UK has plans to develop a navalised Typhoon, but plans are very different from an actual plane. So, in otherwords.. if the UK doesn't get the flight software for the F35 then the UK pulls out of the JSF program, doesn't buy any F35's and instead develops a navalised Typhoon.

      Of course, there are good points and bad points to that:

      Good:
      * The Typhoon is faster, has a longer range and in every regard except for stealth/low radar visibility outperforms the F35
      * We won't be dependant on the USA in the slightest

      Bad:
      * It will take time and lots of money to develop a navalised Typhoon
      * The Typhoon isn't capable of VTOL (useful for the current Invincible class carriers, not so much for the new QE class carriers)
      * A navalised Typhoon will cost more maintenance wise than an F35 for carrier usage. (think wear and tear, landing vertically with a nice lift fan doesn't damage an aircraft airframe or under carriage anyway near as bad as an arrestor hook landing)

  4. The scenic view by GaryOlson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seeing right through their own aircraft fuselage to the ground below...
    How many pilots will get vertigo the first time they look down thru their seats at the ground zipping by a few thousand feet below? I would. Will the masks include organic fluid caching and isolation?
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    1. Re:The scenic view by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ground doesn't zip when it is a few thousand feet below, even at mach 2. You need to be close for that effect.

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    2. Re:The scenic view by EaglemanBSA · · Score: 4, Funny

      Good point though, my brother is an airline pilot, but he's terrified of heights. He's fine, as long as he can't look down.

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    3. Re:The scenic view by dshk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You fear of instability. An aircraft is stable. If you sit in it in a seat you are in a stable situation. I haven't tried it but I guess even if you jump out of it with a parachute you feel safe, because the parachute and you together make a stable system (you can assume that you eventually open it, it opens successfully etc.). On the other hand if you stand on a 1 meter tall table you fear because you are in a physically instable position.

  5. Army? by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Informative
    "... which kinda makes you wish you were in the army."


    The Army flies helicopters, not fixed-wing aircraft.

  6. The memories! by StarfishOne · · Score: 2, Funny

    And you thought Air Wolf had badass headgear.

    Thank you for that bit of nostalgia! Now I'm browsing YouTube for cool startup sequences and intro's of AirWolf again! :)

    What can I say more? Dom, give me the turbo's! :D

  7. Earlier ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/10/new-helmet-allows-fighter-pilots-to-peer-through-the-jet/

    engadget, CA - 23 hours ago
    No, the headgear in the photo above wasn't some unused prototype created for The Terminator; rather, it's a snazzy new helmet designed to give fighter ...

    CC.

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    1. Re:Earlier ... by stu72 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Way earlier.. in fact, the original source material:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=492631&in_page_id=1965&ito=1490

      Why not just link to that in the first place?

      Reading 18 blog summaries to just get back to the original story is ridiculous. If you want to credit the guy who happened to tip you off, by all means, but stop wasting our time, link to the original article.

      And then of course there's the old saw about how blogs will replace newspapers - interesting that their original material often seems to come from them.

      I'm sure I'll get flamed with comments like, "but what about the blog writers ad revenue stream - how dare you cheat him out of his living!" - bullshit. What exactly is the blog writer adding to the equation here that entitles him to anything? The Daily mail reporter found & wrote the story, got quotes, graphics & photos and did the layout. The blog writer said, "Hey, this is cool, check it out". Or more likely said, "hey, check out what my blog buddy said about what his blog buddy said about what his blog buddy said about what his blog buddy said about this cool article in the newspaper"

      hilarious.

  8. It might even useful for a few years by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Within a couple of decades using a fighter aircraft with a human inside will be as quaint as using a missile with pigeons as the guidance system.

    1. Re:It might even useful for a few years by vanadium213 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, I am surprised that we are not moving more quickly in this direction right now. An unmanned fighter could do way crazier acrobatics than one with a fragile human in it, could stay in flight far longer (with in flight refuelings) and probably be better at a lot of other things I cannot think of right now.

      We need small unmanned robotic subs also.

  9. slashdotted already? by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

    So pilots in these aircraft won't have as many blindspots as are in current aircraft? Are they planning on using this on current aircraft or as an add-on to future ones because I thought the F-22 Raprtor was the last plane in future production that actually had a pilot rather than a UAV type craft or was that just for testing?

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  10. Re:Slashdotted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's only /. posters who don't bother to RTFAs.

  11. cosmetic appeal by xPsi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The functionality of this helmet is impressive, but I do take issue with the idea that because it looks good (does it?) it "kinda makes you wish you were in the army." There are potentially a lot of reasons to want to be in the military, but the way a helmet LOOKs should NOT be one of them.

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    1. Re:cosmetic appeal by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There are potentially a lot of reasons to want to be in the military, but the way a helmet LOOKs should NOT be one of them.

      No, but it is one of them nonetheless. Militaries have always recruited in part on having a really smart uniform in which you'd look really, really good - that one goes back millennia. And I reckon the opportunity to wear a badass TIE-fighter style helmet with awesome cyber-vision kit will indeed be a bonus for RAF recruitment. That thing is really cool.

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  12. pfft by Digitus1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jerks have been using these things in first person shooters for years.

  13. The Pressing Question by RabidMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when do 'The Terrorists' have fighters?

    With the cold war over, and the major super powers having no one to have air battles with, is it really necessary to spend huge amounts of money to fight an enemy that doesn't exist? I mean, back in the Cold War, it made sense-ish, but since the current battle is against "terror", and "terror" doesn't have an air force ...

    Granted - the technology is cool, and it's good to have somewhere to spend money to research tools like this, which I'm sure have other, less militaristic uses, but why should military spending dictate research?

    Or is the world planning to gang up on China, and just not telling us?

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    1. Re:The Pressing Question by GammaKitsune · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Civilization has taught me nothing, it's that you should always upgrade your military technology as much as possible, even when you don't seem to need it. Also, Gandhi is a huge jerk.

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    2. Re:The Pressing Question by Thirdsin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With the cold war over, and the major super powers having no one to have air battles with, is it really necessary to spend huge amounts of money to fight an enemy that doesn't exist? I mean, back in the Cold War, it made sense-ish, but since the current battle is against "terror", and "terror" doesn't have an air force ...
      It's not so much about getting ready for war, as it is deterrence. Making sure the potential aggressor is aware of the risk so that he refrains from aggression. (See Iran). You don't need another cold war for a reason to have bigger guns than the next guy...
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    3. Re:The Pressing Question by wjsteele · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With the cold war over, and the major super powers having no one to have air battles with

      Right... whenever you have more than one country who thinks they are a superpower, you have a good chance that there will be a war.

      A good country that want's to remain around needs to have a strong defense. Just because the current battlefield isn't so obvious doesn't mean the next one won't be.

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    4. Re:The Pressing Question by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why should military spending dictate research? You prepare for the war you are going to fight, not for the war you are fighting.

      The whole point of having such badass weapons is so the US can strike when and where it chooses. It is part of the military's doctrine to take action rather than react.
    5. Re:The Pressing Question by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      With the cold war over, and the major super powers having no one to have air battles with, is it really necessary to spend huge amounts of money to fight an enemy that doesn't exist? I mean, back in the Cold War, it made sense-ish, but since the current battle is against "terror", and "terror" doesn't have an air force ...

      The Russians are probing European air defences again; I think it was just last month one of their bombers was intercepted over the North Sea by the new RAF Typhoons. Used to happen all the time in the Cold War - just testing how watchful the West really is, how quick to respond to an intruder. Nothing outright hostile, just a... friendly... reminder that they're there. North Korea is opening up to outside business investment and to tourism from the South to Mt Paektu, but on the other hand they've been playing with nukes lately, so that one could go either way. Not so long ago there was the war in Yugoslavia, right on our doorstep, yet little got done about it till the Yanks got involved - that was embarrassing. Belarus is run by a weirdo who keeps trying to re-establish the Soviet Union despite the fact that the Russians want as little to do with him as possible. The president of Turkmenistan is an egomaniac who makes Kim Jong Il look positively humble, though he seems content to keep to his own frontiers. Any day now our esteemed allies could drag us into a war with Iran. And it's probably only a matter of time before we have to do something about Zimbabwe.

      Sure, today we're mostly fighting Iraqi rebels, against whom the air force can do relatively little - but that won't be the case forever. Britain gets into an awful lot of fights.

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  14. Link to original article by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 5, Informative

    Link to the original Daily Mail article: The Terminator-style helmets that allow fighter pilots to see through their planes

      Note to submitters and Slashdot editors: Don't link to blogs. They get Slashdotted.

      It's especially shiatty when a blogger doesn't even provide a link to the article he's pulling his text and images from.

      Interesting how the blogger switched the referenced Schwarzenegger character of choice from The Terminator to the Predator in his 'article' to make it appear as original content.

  15. another photo by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Informative
  16. Re:Slashdotted? by echucker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it's really not a FA at all... It's a blog that links to an article. Would it kill the editors to actually link to a story, instead of just bump up joehaveablog's hit counter?

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  18. but the British Army doesn't fly Harriers... by fantomas · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...except that the British Army doesn't fly Harriers: check here for what the Army Air Corps flies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_Kingdom_military_aircraft ... only the RAF (the Air Force) and Fleet Air Arm (the branch of the Royal Navy responsible for the operation of the aircraft on board their ships) fly Harriers.

  19. Re:This is just silly by Denis+Troller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The weak link in this weapon is the human. Get him/her out of the plane altogether.

    I wonder why this makes me think of
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  20. Old Tech by kunwon1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    US Pilots have had this for a few years at least, it's called JHMCS, Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/jhmcs.htm

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  21. Re:What is the point? by smitth1276 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the whole point of the JSF... cost effectiveness. It is one modular plane with 3 variants: a traditional fighter, a STOVL marine version, and a more rugged carrier version with a hook, etc. It is designed to be one plane that can be produced for all branches (hence the term "Joint" Strike Fighter), which will lower production costs. It will replace pretty much every fighter-like aircraft in use, except for the F-22.

    This plane will be the "high-tech stealth plane" taking radars out. And if it is ever engaged in a dog-fight at supersonic speeds, the pilot has done something wrong. They almost didn't even put a gun on it (only one variant got a gun, IIRC), because it is meant to take out threats WELL before they are visible.

    One more thing, supersonic speeds are essential for combat aircraft... they have to get in and hit targets before anyone hears them coming (have you never been to an airshow where they do a low supersonic pass?). Supersonic capability itself isn't all that expensive... supercruising capability is more expensive, and JSF doesn't do that.

  22. Nothing to do with "Predator" by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The helmet isn't "Predator-Style" in the slightest. No thermography vision at all. And more to the point, even if it had it, that certainly wouldn't allow you to "look through an airplane". Moron bloggers and the tabloids just saw a helmet that was ugly and thought of Predator.

    It's really closest to a VR helmet, hooked up to cameras on the F-35 JSF to give pilots a 360 view.

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  23. Interesting story, but... by PoopDaddy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was this just an excuse to use the helmet story icon?

  24. A half-measure at best by Thagg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or maybe a quarter-measure.

    Fighter planes design is very compromised by the requirement that the pilot be able to see out the canopy. Typically, you find the cockpit cantaleivered way out in front of the center of gravity. In more recent planes, the requirements of stealth require dramatic measures to enable vision from the cockpit while still maintaining a low radar profile. I feel, too, that in any serious war you're going to find that the easiest way to bring down an airplane is to blind the pilot with lasers.

    So, put the pilot right in the middle of the airplane in an opaque cockpit. Put a large number of wide-bandwidth sensors on the plane that would enable the pilot to see better than he could with his own eyes, certainly over a wider frequency and contrast range. You could armor this cockpit much more easily, it could be far more stealthy, and it could be far more structurally sound. You could have redundant sensors that could be deployed if the primary sensors are blinded.

    Now, some might say that we should go all the way and put the pilots on the ground -- and they have a point. But, I think that the amount of bandwidth available inside the plane would be far greater than you could ever hope to transmit securely over the air.

    Thad Beier

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  25. Re:Slashdotted? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as I am concerned, It isn't as much who's hit counter needs increased the most. It is about who's site released the article and how many people can view it.

    Obviously, when a site releases an news story, their the ones who should be credited with it. So I guess they shouldn't be attributing this story to some under-bandwidth blogging content thief in the first place. let alone doing so in a way that no one can read the damn article because of some seriously lacking forethought of the submitter or the site in question.