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Facial Recognition Vending Machine Debuts

Peter Hanami writes "Yesterday in Japan, a facial recognition vending machine went on sale that can tell the age of the buyer based on a range of features including number of wrinkles, bone structure and how the skin sits on the face. It was developed as a way to stop minors from buying cigarettes from vending machines. In Japan, cigarette vending machines are a common feature on the street and presently few safeguards exist to stop younger users from purchasing them. This new machine is seen as a positive step to reduce under age smoking. If the machine doesnt deem the buyer to be of suitable age, 20 years old, the buyer must provide further identification such as a drivers licence."

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  1. Re:Build a better mouse trap... by tubapro12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And of course, what about people who look older than they actually are? I had a friend in high school who liked he was almost thirty before he even turned twenty.

  2. What about other nationalities by Kazrath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This was obviously created in Japan with Japanese in mind. I am curious "out of the box" how it functions against other nationalities who's facial features are significantly different. I would suspect it would be unable to identify the age and require an identification card of some sort.

    Well at least it is a fairly novel idea.

  3. Why not compare ID with face? by Nyktos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's that good, why don't they just require standard government ID and use the face recognizer to determine if the buyer is the person on the ID and let the ID provide the age?

    1. Re:Why not compare ID with face? by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

      That does sound a lot more sensible.

      I guess you haven't figured out how to think like the Japanese yet.

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    2. Re:Why not compare ID with face? by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because you might not want the information that you buy cigarettes to enter a database? (Which could, for example, be used to deny health insurance later.)
      Or you believe in the right to be anonymous and not have a government issued ID card?

    3. Re:Why not compare ID with face? by mpcooke3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe the Japanese government doesn't want to invest billions in a civil liberty infringing national ID card scheme when they know it wouldn't actually stop kids buying cigarettes?

  4. $1.89 hack by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  5. They're pretty neat but... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    How come no matter what button I push this damn vending machine keeps spitting out Clearasil?!

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  6. Re:Why not just use the DL at first? by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Deny... me... my... cigarettes?!

    Kamikaze the machine!

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  7. Sounds like it could be easily fooled by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So some kid takes a picture of his grandfather's face, prints it out on his color printer, and then holds the printout up in front of the camera. I wonder if the software will realize whether it's looking at a real face or not.

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  8. Need these in pubs and clubs! by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, not for the vending machines, but so that blind-drunk guys can get a machines 'expert opinion' as to whether their prospective, er, 'date' is under age or not...

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  9. Hmmmm by djupedal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can recall when vending machines in Japan sold cigarettes, coffee, beer, condoms & pantyhose...all out of the same machine. As Slim would say "That's a goddamn 3 day vacation in Las Vegas".

    Some of the beer machines would power off at a certain time to try to discourage street drunks.

    When asked what kept under age drinkers from using the beer vending machines, the locals would reply "well, they just don't..."

    Certain enterprising business men would pay the local high school girls for used underwear. Then they would shrinkwrap them, along with a signed Polaroid and put them into those arcade 'claw' machines. Had a thriving business until the neighborhood moms began wondering why their daughters were always asking for new Hello Kitty undies. The moms went to the cops. The cops were stumped, at first, as they had a hard time finding a specific law on the books that the pre-owned-panty vendors were breaking.

    Finally, the cops decided to apply an antiques law that says you have to be licensed accordingly for the sale of certain 'used' or aged goods. No permit to sell antiques? Come with us...you're under arrest - and don't forget the evidence :)

    1. Re:Hmmmm by kryzx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Parent post makes me think we need a "+1 Off-Topic" mod.

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    2. Re:Hmmmm by boobavon · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1 panties.

  10. Honne and Tatemae by CB-in-Tokyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well here is the Honne and the Tatemae (The real thing and the appearance or facade) of Japanese culture at work.

    It is not about actually preventing minors from purchasing cigarettes, it about making the appearance of doing so. By making the appearance of oing so, these vending machines will continue to be allowed, and it may even stop them from being "turned off" at 11:00 PM as they are now. It may also allow Beer vending machines to make a comeback (they are still here, but in far fewer quantities than they used to be.)

    Japan is about image, and showing that you are respecting the group consensus. Japan is not about actually making something foolproof.

    1. Re:Honne and Tatemae by rabiddeity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Japan is about image, and showing that you are respecting the group consensus. Japan is not about actually making something foolproof.

      See also the new foreigner fingerprinting measures going into effect this month. The fingerprinting and storage of those fingerprints has nothing to do with preventing terrorist attacks. It's about presenting an image to reactionary domestic groups and to the United States. The fact that it's going to have a negative impact on their tourist industry hasn't hit them for some reason. Japan has security theater down to an art form.

  11. Re:condom vending machines!!! by stormguard2099 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think they should just dispense condoms for free for whoever wants them in the pubs and clubs. The kind of people who hook up in these places are the ones we don't want reproducing

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  12. Whats next? by Matt867 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whats next? A machine that calculates your weight based on a picture it takes of you and if it deems you obese refuses to sell you a coke?

  13. Re:Why not just use the DL at first? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why not just have people use their driver's license every time?

    A lot of people in Japan don't have driver's licences.

    Anyway, the whole idea is to make the transaction quick and not require the purchaser to find a card. It's an initiative by the cigarette machine makers to make their machines more acceptable, not by the government to reduce cigarette smoking by youngsters.

  14. Quite a trick for women. by psoriac · · Score: 3, Funny

    As far as I can tell, Japanese women between the ages of 14 and 32 all look the same age.

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    1. Re:Quite a trick for women. by Zephyr14z · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How did an obviously racist comment get modded +3 informative? Funny, maybe, but informative?

    2. Re:Quite a trick for women. by GiMP · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is not racist for someone to be unable to visually determine some else's age. Neither is it racist for someone to be unable to tell two people apart (eh, "all asians look the same to me"). If he was blind and he said, "all asians, blacks, and whites look the same to me", would that be an issue? No, it would be the truth, because to a blind person, they do look the same. Someone with an untrained eye is nearly as incapable as a blind person at facial pattern recognition.

      The whole "you're being racist" thing itself is racism, making an assumption that the other person might be racist just because the other person isn't of your race, is racist. If the parent post was asian, but adopted by a white family without contact with other asians, and said, "I cannot tell two asians apart", would it still be racist?

      Facial pattern recognition is a learned ability, and each race has a unique set of facial patterns. You cannot expect someone that has had minimal contact with people outside their own race to be able to detect these differences.

      I think the only reason that people get offended because they hear someone say, "<race> all look alike" is because people dislike being grouped by their race, even if there is no ill-will meant. If you're going to be upset by this, you shouldn't stop there. Tell doctors to stop testing black people for Sickle Cell Anemia, because it is racist for them to think that the decease could possibly be more prevalent in those with a particular heritage or skin color -- after all, "race is only skin deep", right? Oh, thats right, those people would rather be healthy than complain that they're being singled out for screenings based on their race.

      The truth is that different races have different physical attributes which can cause certain challenges for those not intimately familiar with those differences; be it facial recognition to recognize someone's age or sex, or be it differences that affect a medical practitioner's ability to save a life.

  15. Re:Why not just use the DL at first? by JanneM · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why not just have people use their driver's license every time?

    Because a lot of people don't have driver's licenses here, and thus there is no standard ID card to read, nor is there any requirement that you actually own one. A fair amount of people will actually use their bankbook or similar document, and for signatures you'd use a hanko.

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  16. Here is a marketing idea by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Put a Vending Machine with masks of old people in it next to it. Intelligent kids can buy cigs for their friends and make a profit too. Everyone wins.

  17. Re:Build a better mouse trap... by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eventually this will inconvenience smokers.

    I've had enough smokers stand upwind, throw cigarette butts everywhere, walk around stinking like a smokestack, etc., that I just don't care if smokers are inconvenienced once in a while too.