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Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October

hoagiecat writes "Is Apple like all those bands who claim to be "huge in Japan"? Leopard accounted for 53 percent of boxed operating systems sold in Japan in October — even though it was only on sale for the last six days of the month. 'The software went on sale worldwide on Oct. 26 with sales kicking off at 6 p.m. local time in each country. Users in New Zealand and Australia got their hands on Leopard first, but Tokyo saw the first launch at an Apple retail store. About 200 people lined up in light rain to buy the software at Apple's store in the ritzy Ginza district of Tokyo. Lines also formed at other Apple stores across the country and at major electronics retailers, where special events were held to mark the start of sales. Combined with other sales of other operating systems including Tiger, Apple had an overall 60.7 percent share of the market in October -- that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007. '"

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  1. In Japan... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll tell you that I just got back from Japan a couple of weeks ago and there is a serious hunger for Apple's products. When there, every time I pulled out my iPhone to check an appointment or change a tune (or anything), I had people asking me all about it. Even in technology jaded Japan where you can watch TV on your cell phone, they are absolutely stoked about Apple's iPhone. My comment to one guy in the Apple store there when I went in to buy a cable and became a minor celebrity due to possessing an iPhone was "what's the big deal, you have the iPod touch", to which he responded, "but that is the iPhone and we don't have that yet!".

    Just wait for the true subnotebook or tablet. That is going to sell huge in Japan.

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    1. Re:In Japan... by jrumney · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nokia published some figures for EDGE vs 3G chips a while back, but I can't find them now. At idle, 3G uses slightly less power than GSM/EDGE. On voice calls, 3G uses roughly double the power. For data, 3G uses about a quarter of the power for the same data throughput.

      The biggest drain for 3G phones is that they have to keep the GSM radio polling so they can fall back without going off air for a period when they lose the 3G signal. In Japan where there is no GSM network, you don't have that inefficiency to worry about.

    2. Re:In Japan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pot, kettle, err... Japan has plenty of people still using their legacy 2G phones. Your main problem would be finding an Edge network, since Japan uses different standards to most other countries.

      How much do you know about the Japanese mobile phone market?
      Do you live in Japan?
      Do you speak and/or read Japanese?
      Do you have an account with a Japanese mobile phone provider?

      There is no EDGE in Japan, nor is there GPRS or even GSM.

      Japan has 3G (UMTS/W-CMDA), CDMA (different frequencies than North America, so most North American phones CDMA phones won't roam in Japan, and no EV-DO yet), and local systems (PDC and PHS).

      Yes, the latter are pre-3G systems, but to refer to them as 2G is somewhat misleading since in the context under discussion 2G means GSM/GPRS/EDGE.

      The iPhone is an GSM/GPRS/EDGE device with 850/900/1800/1900. There is no GSM/GPRS/EDGE in Japan on any band. An iPhone will not roam in Japan.

      The only non-Japanese phones that will roam in Japan are 3G phones with UMTS 2100, and some CDMA phones from carriers outside of North America.
    3. Re:In Japan... by pcgabe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even in technology jaded Japan where you can watch TV on your cell phone, they are absolutely stoked about Apple's iPhone.


      It's possible that you may have fallen victim to Japanese politeness. I know that when I was there, my co-workers and friends teased me about the iPhone (not because I had one, but because I'm American).

      "Oh, it has a big screen. How many TV channels can it record simultaneously?" Zero. "Oh, well then, that explains the price! HAHAHA!" (Don't get me started on what my Japanese colleagues considered 'humor', that's another rant in itself)

      Japanese phones are, by my estimates, about two years ahead of ours. The only thing about the iPhone that my friends over there found interesting was all the HYPE. They could not see what the big deal was all about.

      However, they do have a tendency to say small things are big deals, out of politeness. Can't speak Japanese, except for mumbling a few phrase-book standards? "OH, your Japanese is excellent!" Speak fluent Japanese? "..." (no comment)

      You have an iPhone? "Wow, what an amazing phone!" You have a standard Japanese phone that does everything an iPhone can do, plus does your taxes, transforms into a scooter, makes you pudding, and gives you blowjobs? "..."

      The rule of thumb is: The cooler/better something is, the less they say about it. The more they talk about it, the less cool/awesome it is.
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    4. Re:In Japan... by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have lived in Japan for five years now, speak fluent Japanese, and can tell you that, although the average American phone makes me shake my head in pity for the crap that is forced upon my fellow countrymen, the iPhone is definitely on par with what Japan has to offer. Japanese phones usually go for design over functionality, with innovations being focused on screen quality, the built-in camera, and music playback ability.

      However, phones here are just as closed as in the States, so as to charge the user as much as possible for access to each carrier's unique flavor of internet access and multimedia content. Want access to the regular internet? Each time you start up a session and connect to a page, they charge you 300 yen for the privilege. My Japanese friends were impressed that I had figured out how to get around Docomo's file-naming obfuscation on my SD card so that I was able to upload photos and video as well as download them without having to use the network.

      By the way, a correction to your rule of thumb: the cooler something is, the more Japanes talk about it. They're all about giving kudos, and I got sufficient compliments for my iPod Touch. I just had a high school student write an essay where she claimed that the iPod was the world's greatest invention, and that the iPhone would be even better. If the Japanese aren't saying much about a gadget, it's either because they just really aren't gadget people or you're bragging about it too much. If they're openly belittling something of yours, you're most likely not actually in Japan.

      As for the actual article referred to by the submitter, Apple's great triumph was to claim half of the boxed OS sales for October. What kind of a statistic is that? Most new PCs are sold with Windows pre-installed, not boxed; hardly anybody buys it separately. So what Apple is saying is that more Apple users went out and bought the new OS for their old computer than PC users bought a boxed version of Windows. How surprising is that statistic? What percentage of the Windows-using public actually ever consider upgrading the OS separate from buying a new computer?

      I'm a Mac user, but Macs are only slightly better represented in Japan than anywhere else. Apple lost a lot of market share in the 90s that it has failed to take back, and Microsoft's site-wide licenses work well with Japanese corporate and government institutional mentality. japanese typically admit to liking Macs, but a lot of the universal stereotypes carry over (too expensive), plus they want something that they know works with everybody else.

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  2. there was some confusion... by MrAndrews · · Score: 5, Funny

    It seems there was some confusion about what kinds of devices you could install Leopard on, so these numbers may not hold up for long....

  3. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I missing something or is some one trying to turn the initial surge from the release of a new version, into a long standing trend?

  4. not entirely surprising by FredAkbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007.

    This big jump makes sense, really. Who in their right mind would buy Tiger a month before Leopard is coming out, unless they specifically can't/wouldn't use Leopard for some reason? It's more impressive to me that they're beating out Microsoft, but I guess MS relies on the PC makers for most of its sales; it doesn't really need to specifically sell Vista when people are replacing their PCs fairly often. Macs generally last longer (or at least are kept longer) from what I hear, so it's more likely that someone will buy a boxed copy of a Mac OS upgrade than a Windows upgrade.

  5. Meaningless numbers by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without context these numbers mean little. How many copies of boxed OSs are sold in a typical month? A year? How has Windows boxed software been trending? Is it perhaps something that peaked a year or two back because everyone who needed Windows already had it installed OEM or had purchased their upgrades? And what part of the Japanese computer market is Mac, as opposed to PC?

    For all we know Leopard only sold 250 copies nationwide. Or this may be a one time spike that means nothing.

  6. Not really a big accomplishment by proxima · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'd be notable if Apple did much worse than this.

    1.) It's boxed sales. The people who upgrade via boxed sales are the ones who aren't going to wait to get new hardware to upgrade the OS. These people are likely to be the early adopters who will buy within the first week

    2.) Vista has been out for a while, and the people who have upgraded via boxed sales have likely done it by now. Vista sales come from OEM distribution, not buying a shiny box at Best Buy.

    3.) I would expect the numbers for November to drop substantially, as the early adopters will have their copies, and sales of boxed copies drop. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if hardware sales pick up a bit, as people find the holiday season and new OS to be a good time to take the plunge and buy a new computer.

    The numbers to pay attention to are Apple's share of new sales, especially in laptops, and Apple's share of total installed base (which is harder to calculate accurately).

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  7. Re:Huge in Japan by Paul+Pierce · · Score: 5, Funny

    David Hasselhoff is huge anywhere where you can't understand a word he is saying.

  8. Apple 100% share! by klubar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that if you look at sales of boxed operating systems on Oct. 26 from 6 pm to 6 am Apple had a nearly 100% share. The statistic is nearly meaningless. The initial rush for Vista already took place.

    And somehow a line of 200 whole people in a city of 12 million (0.00166% of the population) doesn't seem like very many. More than 200 people probably lined up in the light rain to buy the Japanese equivalent of hot dogs that night.

  9. Re:Huge in Japan by Facetious · · Score: 4, Funny

    5' 5.2" is the height of the average Japanese man. That talentless wonder you refer to is 6' 4". I guess that makes him hug (or huge).

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  10. I'm not surprised, compare the fonts by The+Iso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OS X displays beautiful Japanese text. Windows is barely legible by comparison.

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  11. and WHY is Windows always OEM and included? by wardk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because you need new hardware.

    so for Vista, you buy a new PC.

    for leopard, well, you install it on your old mac, just like you did the last 3 major upgrades

  12. Re:New Software Package Sells Well In Japan by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't say much about the total number of Mac users in Japan.

    Yes, because they all bought the OS so they can admire it on their bookshelf. No, no wait, I know! They all bought it so they can install it on their Dell boxes! No wait...

    I think it's pretty safe to assume that each copy of the OS sold represents a single Mac user, barring the VERY, VERY few OSx86 hackers out there.

    I do agree though, this says nothing about Apple's growth in Japan. It just means existing Mac users are excited about upgrading to Leopard (moreso than XP users to Vista, but that's a no-brainer), it doesn't mean that Macs are necessarily gaining ground.

  13. Re: Misleading headline by megaduck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Leopard does feature better Japanese support. This is like saying that the sun is brighter than the moon. OS X's Japanese support is nothing short of spectacular. All IMEs and alternate interface languages are included on the DVD (I can't remember if they're installed by default). Hell, it's even got an IME for Ainu. EVERYTHING is unicode, and all applications render Japanese characters correctly. Even mail. Leopard adds three different kinds of built-in Japanese dictionaries, including a pretty handy Japanese-English dictionary. As an added bonus, the fonts are legible and don't look like ass.

    Personally, I need a computing environment that supports both Japanese and English seamlessly. Leopard fits the bill nicer than anything else I've ever used, including Vista (which I have to admit is pretty good).

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  14. Actual Usage by MisterSquid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine with a 3G-capable blackberry-like phone in the US (West Coast) said he ran races with his iPhone-using friend. According to him, her iPhone loaded many pages (over EDGE) more quickly than his 3G-capable phone. The explanation was that the chipset in the iPhone (among other things) was much faster than what was on his phone. (Wish I knew what kind of phone he was using, sorry.)

    Anyhow, all this hand-wringing over the best features, like criticisms of 1st gen iPods, misses the point that what works in practice can't be compared to theoretical bests. The iPhone is amazing primarily because of its OS and the fact that web use of EDGE is rare.

    When the telcos offer better networks (speed and coverage) hopefully successors to the iPhone 1.0 (including non-Apple competitors) will improve on what the iPhone has to offer. For now, people like you are considered "insightful" for what amounts to a wish list.

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  15. Re:Apple users are the only ones dumb enough... by Almahtar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are willing to pay to upgrade their copy of OSX because the new versions have new features that appeal to them. Nobody buys new versions of Windows for 5 years because new versions haven't come out. Now that one finally has, barely anyone actually wants to get it on their old systems, and many are even demanding the old version on their new systems.

    Contrast.

  16. Deal-breaking bug by Bueller_007 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The main reason I haven't upgraded yet is that there is, at present, a significant bug in Kotoeri (the Japanese IME) for Leopard. If you type the word "hatake" (which means "field") and scroll through the list of potential kanji, and you get to the "display more" option, the entire IME freezes and is impossible to recover. The same thing happens with "hisashi", and I'm sure a number of other words as well.

    There are videos of this floating around YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1pVOJL41x0), and I checked it out myself at the local Apple store. Total IME lock-up, and it uses up 100% of your processor time.

    Other than that glaring bug, Leopard is easily the most friendly Japanese OS out there, and it now has a big-name Japanese dictonary & thesaurus, as well as J-E and E-J dictionaries built right in.

    Here's hoping Apple gets their shit sorted out for the .1 release.

    1. Re:Deal-breaking bug by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mac OS is very language-friendly. Esperanto, Russian a and Japanese are just a clickity-click away for me.

      Does it also have a feature to locate the other person who speaks Esperanto?

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