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Turkey Day Chemistry in the Kitchen

instupor writes "Just in time for the holiday, PopSci runs through the food science behind moist turkey, perfect potatoes and flaky pie crust. Besides the actual "why," the article explains how to apply the scientific principals in your own kitchen."

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  1. oh noes by telchine · · Score: 5, Funny

    My mother's banned me from doing science experiments ever since the last "incident". :(

  2. "apply principals"? by phaunt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do the recipes actually include smearing headmasters over the turkey, or was 'principles' meant?

  3. Why turkey? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have never understood why we have turkey at Christmas (I'm a UKian not an American so I don't do thanks giving but it applies), it's a very poor meat and far too large for the average family, so how come we do it?

    I'm also allergic to dairy productions you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:Why turkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Goose was the traditional food in the UK. It's made a small resurgence, but it's still pretty much turkey everywhere. Goose fat was in high demand in the UK last year too, as a food-fad when it was endorsed by a TV chef as making rather good roast potatoes. I don't know if that will continue...

    2. Re:Why turkey? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's basically because before frozen turkeys were widespread they were probably quite expensive and hard to come by. Before that I think we ate geese, swans, pheasants, ducks and things like that.

      I expect its probably because they were at one point expensive and available relatively exclusively to the rich that everyone switched over when they could get them more easily to enjoy a bit of 'class'.

    3. Re:Why turkey? by PhysicsPhil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have never understood why we have turkey at Christmas (I'm a UKian not an American so I don't do thanks giving but it applies), it's a very poor meat and far too large for the average family, so how come we do it?

      This very topic merited an article over at http://www.slate.com/id/2178388/nav/fix/. Poultry was popular in general because the cows had economic value (milk and labour) beyond that of birds. Pork or ham was common, but not considered fit for special events. Chicken hens were valuable for their eggs and rooster was too tough. Turkey had the advantage that birds that hatched in the spring would have grown to about 10 pounds by Thanksgiving, which was important because it was large enough to feed a big family.

    4. Re:Why turkey? by onkelonkel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point. This applies to almost all our food animals. The animal has the old anglo-saxon name but the cooked meet has the norman french name. Cow / Beef (boeuf) , chicken / Poultry (poulet), sheep / mutton (mouton), pig / pork (porc).

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    5. Re:Why turkey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interestingly enough, I've heard just the opposite. Where I'm from (Minnesota) wild turkeys are actually rather plentiful, even today. The story I heard was that Lincoln had made Thanksgiving an official holiday, and people sent turkeys to the soldiers because they were cheaper than other fowl and being quite large, could feed more people. This is just a rumor I've heard though.

      Geese are pretty big too, but you'd need several pheasants or ducks to feed a large family (or a crowd of soldiers).

  4. What's the number? by FredDC · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... how to apply the scientific principals in your own kitchen ...


    What's the number of the poison control center again?
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    1. Re:What's the number? by MagicM · · Score: 3, Informative

      1-800-222-1222

      (I know you were being +2 Funny, but still...)

  5. Cooking is science by Slashidiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't matter if people want to call it art, it is applied chemistry and physics. The only thing is that there are many variables and humans have really good sensors to appraise the results. So that instead of calculating the Na+ ions, you can just taste it and get a better reading. Instead of using high precission lab instruments, we use the built in tools we have.

    In the end, art is just applied science, but with wildly varying parameters, so it takes a very complex measuring instrument to appreciate the results.

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    1. Re:Cooking is science by should_be_linear · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the end, art is just applied science, but with wildly varying parameters, so it takes a very complex measuring instrument to appreciate the results.

      Is it another way of saying "Art is cool but I just don't have fucking idea why!".

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  6. Dunno about goose fat by Nursie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But duck fat potatos are a thing of beauty. And probably heart attacks.

    Give it a try (duck or goose), your vegetable oil roast potatos will seem rather second rate afterwards.

  7. It's thanksgiving by Nursie · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know, that time when Americans give thanks to the native american indians who helped them survive over winter when they were new immigrants to the continent.

    Generally very little mention is made of what happened next and how the new immigrants proceeded to usurp the native's land and make a good attempt at exterminating them. Perhaps we should have called them "naive american indians instead", for helping the white man survive and get a foothold.

    1. Re:It's thanksgiving by Gigiya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generally very little mention is made of what happened next ...
      Except for every rebellious 15-year old that hates family gatherings, and self-righteous people on the internet. I acknowledge the fact that Native Americans were slaughtered, but I don't hesitate to enjoy time with my family and delicious turkey.
    2. Re:It's thanksgiving by Foolicious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was waiting for this one.

      Darn white man. Source of all problems. First of all, kills off all the supremely peaceful and progressive Native Americans, on which the REAL future of things like science and medicine rested. THEN, picks a poor-tasting bird to celebrate with. Can't even choose a good tasting bird, for pete's sake. Finally, invents football, which isn't even really played primarily with the feet!

      I wish we could go back to those pre-usurping days in America (not even a good name! Amerigo Vespucci was an idiot), especially the parts where I could treat women as property and do as I pleased with them, where I could cower in fear of the Windigo and watch my children die of infections from simple cuts on their feet. But the stupid western europeans took that liberty away from me. Idiots.

      Now, scroll down a bit if necessary, choose Flamebait and have a Happy Thanksgiving! God bless!

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  8. Re:What the hell by CmdrGravy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's some sort of festival they have in the US. I think the Turkey is the national bird over there and by eating it they hope to assume some of it's qualities. Backwards and primitive though it may seem to European eyes it does seem to work.

  9. No Turkey For Brits by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Won't be much Turkey consumption in Britain on Christmas day. The H2N1 Bird-flu virus has caused mass culling of many types of birds. See here for more info.

    I hate Turkey anyway, always too dry.

  10. Math by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's assume T is a perfectly spherical turkey...

  11. It's probably not "science"... by Fross · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but if you're after perfect potatoes, I've got a couple of hints that *always* work.

    Roast potatoes:
    Pre-heat the oven (200C?) and put oil in a big oven-proof pan in the oven to heat. Meat-based fat is better than vegetable, but a mixture is good too.
    Boil the potatoes until you can scrape them a bit with a fork (20-25 minutes). Drain the water (keep for gravy if you like), put a lid on the pan, and shake it *hard* several times. Some potatoes will disintegrate but mostly they will just get really rough surfaces - this makes them crunchy.
    Remove pan from oven, pour the fat into a receptacle, leaving a tiny bit behind. Put the potatoes into this pan. Pour a spoonful of the fat on top of each potato. Put back in the oven, cook for 45-50 minutes. They will be soft in the middle, crunchy on the outside.

    Mashed potatoes:
    Don't boil the potatoes, steam them. 20-25 minutes until cooked through.
    Remove water from steamer, put potatoes in (because it's warm). Add salt, creme fraiche (or butter if you have to), about 2 heaped heaspoons for 800g potatoes.
    Use an electric whisk, whisk the hell out of them. Keep speeding up as you go, and keep going for a minute after it looks fine.
    The steaming means they won't be watery, and the whisking means no lumpy bits. Fluffy, rich and smooth mashed potatoes!

    Happy thanksgiving to all our North American cousins :)

  12. Re:What the hell by StormyWeather · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually I think the Turkey was 2nd runner up to be the national bird, but the bald eagle won out.

  13. Re:Physics by Bazman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ah, friction physics jokes:

    Q. Which is the slipperiest cat?

    A. The one with the lowest 'mew'.

  14. Bastards... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm at work this morning, and now I'm hungry, you insensitive clods! :(

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  15. Re:What the hell by skoaldipper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ever try chasing down a bald eagle with a fork and knife?

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  16. Smoked turkey by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Prepare him how you want. Butter smeared over the skin, or a combo of spices, or whatever.

    Then pop him in a nice large grill for a few hours. Indirect heat of course. None of your punkass propane grills...has to be a regular charcoal grill. Pan of water in the bottom for a little steam. Baste/inject regularly. mmmmmm

    Mine is in now.

  17. perfect turkey? Here's what most people miss: by westcoast+philly · · Score: 2, Informative

    First you BRINE the bird. kosher salt works well, but DO NOT use typical iodized table salt!!

    In a pot big enough to submerge the bird, pour 1 to 1-1/2 cups of the salt in. Then sink the bird. Let this soak for at least overnight. Don't worry, it won't be salty when it comes out, the salt only helps the meat hold moisture.

    When cooking, DO NOT cook to time. That whole X hours for Y lbs of turkey is bullshite. Use a thermometer. Cook it until it hits 160F-165F then pull it out.

    Also.... as a twist, before cooking, if you get your hands under the skin to seperate it from the meat, you can layer in a mixture of rosemary, garlic, and olive oil. and a layer of prociutto ham between the meat and skin. this makes it VERY tasty.

    Do that and you will have the juiciest and tastiest turkey you've ever eaten.

  18. Sniveling little whiners? by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My dear boy,

    I'm British, we've caused tremendous amounts of harm all over the world and probably several genocides. I just find it rather delightful that every year American families gather together in a festival to give thanks and celebrate friendship, family and a spirit of kindness and sharing, brought about by an incident involving people their ancestors more-or-less wiped out and stole the land from.

    It's especially piquant that American children put on theatrical productions about how kind the indians were and how everyone was great friends.

    the whole thing's hilarious!

    1. Re:Sniveling little whiners? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My dear boy, I have to comment, because this is just such a superb way of beginning a post it deserves mod points irrespective of what else you say. In my mind, the rest of it was read by Noël Coward.

      I'm British You know, I'd never have guessed. There is such a thing as labouring a point, my good fellow.
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    2. Re:Sniveling little whiners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess people remember history how they want? Not what was fact or truth. It's more comforting to remember one of the few positive moments in early colonialism, rather than the endless atrocities that occurred during its creation.

      As an American, I remind myself today that despite all the hostility that was shown against the Native Americans in centuries past and current, there were moments when both the white man and Native Americans lived at peace with one another. It is for those times, which I prefer to celebrate today.

      Happy Thanksgiving!

  19. Re:Good Eats called... by 3waygeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, McGee (the author quoted in TFA) is one of AB's major sources.

  20. Shouldn't the Slashdot subtitle today be ... by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Turkey for nerds. Stuffing that matters. :)

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  21. You invented Turkey Twizzlers? You bastard! by giafly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Turkey Twizzlers are spirals of mechanically reclaimed turkey meat, water, pork fat and rusk, together with many more minor ingredients, designed to be reheated before serving. The product became an emblem of the mass-produced processed food that [a UK tv chef] wanted to remove from schools. In the wake of the programme, several major catering organisations announced that they would no longer serve Turkey Twizzlers in schools. However, sales of Turkey Twizzlers rose 32%
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  22. Re:Quick question by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When they bring it up needlessly, yes. If a woman has a baby, that's her choice, same for if she gets an abortion. However, if, in a discussion on, say, the finer points of naming children, this woman said, "As a pro-lifer, I find it amusing that you abortionists don't know the etymology of the name Amanda," that would be acting "better" than the others. This would be for two reasons: a) she brought it into a discussion where it was completely needless to do so (as is the case in this thread), and b) she used a condescending tone in her speech (as is the case in this thread.

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